[HN Gopher] How I Arrived at Sun as Employee #8
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       How I Arrived at Sun as Employee #8
        
       Author : hasheddan
       Score  : 104 points
       Date   : 2022-05-03 14:35 UTC (8 hours ago)
        
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       | ledbettj wrote:
       | https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1521489115585421314.html
        
       | drfuchs wrote:
       | When we were undergrads, I remember looking over Tom's shoulder
       | at some Unix code he was studying, and I worked up my courage to
       | ask what "*cp++" meant. He said something about about "pointers"
       | and "post-incrementing", but I couldn't figure out what he was
       | talking about; he was a true wizard. Hi, Tom!
        
         | teaearlgrey_hot wrote:
         | A wizard never uses the base pointer or the stack pointer by
         | compilation: he moves the stack _precisely_ as he means to!
        
         | pugs78 wrote:
         | Thanks, Dave. You're no slouch yourself.
        
       | cab11150904 wrote:
       | Computers as a whole seem so boring nowadays. I get that we all
       | have supercomputers in our pockets, and it should be amazing, but
       | it's just dull.
        
         | fossuser wrote:
         | One of the things that drew me to urbit is it feels like when I
         | first started playing with linux. It's fun, but in a way that
         | tackles some real underlying issues with the modern
         | web/computing stack.
         | 
         | The ideas are interesting and whatever happens it's definitely
         | not boring imo: http://moronlab.blogspot.com/2010/01/urbit-
         | functional-progra...
        
         | paulcole wrote:
         | Let me guess, computers were a lot more interesting and amazing
         | when you were a teenager and into your early 20s?
        
         | georgeecollins wrote:
         | Right, because micro computers have had decades of investment
         | and development, when in 1982 they were like 15 years old
         | (microprocessors anyway (HN correct me)).
         | 
         | Now the excitement is probably something that new or newer..
         | drones, recent ML, AR/VR/XR, wearable, or something that I
         | don't know what it is. It's gotta be something where most
         | people think it won't even work.
        
           | ghaff wrote:
           | 15 years in 1982 is casting a pretty wide net for actual
           | microcomputers. The Altair 8800 kit debuted on Radio-
           | Electronics in 1975 and the Apple II came out a couple years
           | later. But I was an engineering undergrad in the late 70s and
           | I knew no one who owned a personal computer. They didn't even
           | become geek things beyond a very limited number of people
           | until the early 80s.
        
         | walrus01 wrote:
         | I think there was a lot more novelty and shock/awe in amazing
         | new things when we didn't have youtube channels and social
         | media of every new thing immediately poring over ever detail of
         | it.
         | 
         | For instance, when ID first released DOOM to the Internet and
         | BBSes it was something you discovered on your own and among
         | your local community of people who had network access and a PC
         | capable of running it, there weren't hundreds of youtube
         | channels playing full-1080p playthroughs of the entire game,
         | etc.
        
         | codegeek wrote:
         | It feels boring because for the most part, we have solved some
         | of the most common problems that we needed computers for. The
         | idea of watching movies, ordering groceries/food, talking to a
         | friend/family 8000 miles away in a second were all interesting
         | and fancy and now it is part of life. So we get bored. Today's
         | personal computers pretty much do everything we need in terms
         | of basic necessities. I was driving earlier today and realized
         | the power of Maps on our phones. Imagine back in the days when
         | you need to print mapquest (remember?) or plain old maps to
         | figure out how to get to the Interstate from this new place you
         | just visited.
         | 
         | Things like VR etc so far (my opinion) have been
         | disappointments for the most part even though we keep trying to
         | innovate. Also, remember 3D TVs ?
         | 
         | I guess we need things like teleportation, real robots (not the
         | one like Rocky IV movie) and some cooler stuff to make it
         | interesting again.
        
           | MikeTheRocker wrote:
           | I'm biased because I've been working on AR/VR at Meta/Oculus
           | for the last 4 years, but I'm curious what you've found
           | disappointing and whether you've tried the lastest VR
           | software and hardware.
           | 
           | As far as gaming goes, Half-Life: Alyx and Resident Evil 4
           | are superb AAA experiences. As for hardware, Quest 2 and
           | Valve Index are both great at what they promise for their
           | respective price points.
        
         | mhh__ wrote:
         | Computers are boring but system on chips are kind of
         | interesting again now that you need all this compute for AI.
         | 
         | People have made huge mistakes waiting for workloads that have
         | very predictable computation, now with AI we have a need for
         | coprocessors again.
        
         | virtual_void wrote:
         | Sometimes i think this too.
         | 
         | I think part of the joy (for me) used to be in the deep
         | understanding of the hardware and making something out of what
         | felt like nothing.
         | 
         | If I'm doing something with a load of libraries and feel like a
         | plumber more than a programmer then I find that excitement hard
         | to come by.
         | 
         | Playing with modern day microcontrollers, SoC stuff or building
         | software with hard real-time requirements is still a lot of fun
         | - i just don't get to do it so much these days.
        
         | uuyi wrote:
         | It's not dull really but I find it laborious and sometimes
         | stupid. The sense of achievement has been sucked away by deep
         | rabbit holes of research required to decipher even the simplest
         | tasks. The retention and value of knowledge has declined due to
         | the transient nature of everything too. Every day is a catching
         | up session for something which is either horrible or will be
         | replaced before you've finished the job.
         | 
         | I reserve the label stupid specifically for templated YAML
         | which makes me want to strangle people fairly quickly.
        
         | grishka wrote:
         | Software engineering is no longer considered engineering these
         | days. People mash abstractions together without even trying to
         | understand what's beneath those abstractions. Knowing what
         | you're actually doing seems to be a big deal in software
         | development now.
        
           | hulitu wrote:
           | Engineering is trying to underestand things and learn from
           | mistakes. SW engineering is like financial engineering:
           | trying to get profits fast.
        
             | LordDragonfang wrote:
             | Anecdotally that tracks, because all of my (very good!) CS
             | professors in undergrad were retired engineering-engineers,
             | with only a single retired _software_ engineer that I can
             | recall (who taught the course focused on real-world SWE
             | /project management)
        
             | grishka wrote:
             | This is why I've given up on working anywhere where venture
             | capital is even remotely involved. I want to make the world
             | a better place and empower people, not make rich people
             | richer while they do nothing of value.
        
         | smackeyacky wrote:
         | Dull?
         | 
         | You can hang the equivalent of an eighties micro on anything
         | you please and record things nobody has ever seen before,
         | download the data en masse to your pocket supercomputer, sync
         | that to an AI and make accurate predictions that can be used to
         | affect real world outcomes.
         | 
         | You can talk to anyone on the planet with minimal charges.
         | 
         | You can take infinite numbers of pictures of everything at
         | insane resolutions, backyard astronomy is unbelievable compared
         | to the Sun era.
         | 
         | Computing has never been so exciting. If you think you missed
         | out because you weren't in silicon valley in the 1980s, the
         | amount of cool work being done everywhere but the valley needs
         | reconsidering.
         | 
         | I've been doing this since the 80s and its never been better
         | than now.
        
           | eezurr wrote:
           | For me, I imagine part of the excitement is applying the art
           | of computer science every day at your job back then. When
           | things are taken care of for you, they become boring. Not
           | because those things are inherently boring, but they're
           | boring because you're no longer thinking about them. You
           | can't get excited about things you aren't thinking about.
           | Many jobs transitioned from surgeons with scalpels to
           | supergluing prefab parts together. Which one sounds more
           | exciting to you? I'd rather be a surgeon.
        
           | sedatk wrote:
           | I agree with you fully. It's just that tech stopped giving
           | the same dopamine boost as social platforms nowadays.
        
           | hulitu wrote:
           | And still printing a web page is real challenge. And if you
           | want to compile a programm you find out that it needs 30
           | libraries. Some things are better. Most of the things are
           | worse. I have a text editor on my Android phone. It cannot do
           | search and replace.
        
             | aBitPlayer wrote:
             | To me, one exciting motivation today in computing is
             | rethinking and simplifying systems.
             | 
             | https://youtu.be/k0uE_chSnV8 https://youtu.be/kZRE7HIO3vk
        
             | turtlebits wrote:
             | Printing has been solved a long time ago. Do you remember
             | having to search for/install printer drivers?
             | 
             | Even after a few years, I'm still amazed that I can print
             | from my phone to a wireless printer I have at home, and how
             | easy it was to setup.
        
             | smackeyacky wrote:
             | I don't have any problems printing web pages. Rick click,
             | print, done.
             | 
             | Non trivial programs always required a lot of libraries. At
             | least now you don't have to wait 3 weeks for a tape to show
             | up so you can continue working.
             | 
             | Vim for Android is a thing [0]
             | 
             | [0] https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.droid
             | vim&h...
        
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