[HN Gopher] How to Walk (12 miles a day)
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       How to Walk (12 miles a day)
        
       Author : detcader
       Score  : 217 points
       Date   : 2022-05-03 16:07 UTC (6 hours ago)
        
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       | subroutine wrote:
       | I know it's not really the point of this missive, but I average
       | right around 12 miles per day at my treadmill desk. So for anyone
       | who'd like to multitask their walking and work, I'd highly
       | recommend trying it. After about a month the walking bit really
       | becomes second nature.
        
         | lacrosse_tannin wrote:
         | Can the treadmill go backwards?
        
           | subroutine wrote:
           | It can if your standing desk is shaped like a donut; then it
           | can go forwards, backwards, and sideways ;)
        
         | rootusrootus wrote:
         | I recommend trying a decently long slow walk first. The
         | mechanics of walking slowly are not the same as walking at a
         | normal pace. Some people get sore, some do not, better to find
         | out before spending real money on the walking desk. Or be like
         | me, know already from experience walking with slow people that
         | I can't walk that slow and not hurt, buy the treadmill desk
         | anyway, sell it six months later after giving up.
        
           | subroutine wrote:
           | To counter, try standing for a few hours vs. walking slowly
           | and you will be surprised that walking is actually easier.
           | Humans anatomy seems to prefer walking over standing. It's
           | particularly obvious after those long moments where you are
           | deep into woking through some code, where you totally forget
           | to move for about 20 min. The treadmill takes care of that.
           | So if you already bought that standing desk...
           | 
           | https://www.lifespanfitness.com/products/tr1200-dt3-under-
           | de...
        
             | rootusrootus wrote:
             | I don't disagree at all. I can walk many miles at 3mph. At
             | 1.5mph I'll be in pain pretty quickly. But if I _really_
             | want to suffer, I 'll stand for a couple hours.
             | 
             | So I don't have a standing desk, either. I primarily sit
             | when working at the computer. But every 30-45 minutes I get
             | up and go for a stroll, even if just around the yard.
        
               | subroutine wrote:
               | Yeah I gotcha. Don't get me wrong, nothing beats sitting
               | down to work. It's the best. But with kids I don't have
               | time for the gym, and a stroll in the yard wasn't helping
               | my growing waistline.
               | 
               | fwiw my walking desk is set to 2.4mph, which seems to be
               | the sweet spot between my natural walking speed and a
               | pace that I can still comfortably read and type. Pretty
               | much a linear ramp up from 1.0mph to 2.4mph over 1 year
               | period.
        
       | mrtweetyhack wrote:
        
       | chasd00 wrote:
       | i walk a lot, not 12 miles a day, but an above average amount.
       | Good shoes and good socks go a long way in keeping your feet
       | happy. Also, i have pretty bad posture so i have to make it a
       | point to not slouch while walking or else my back or shoulders
       | eventually start to ache so be mindful of your posture when
       | walking more than 2 or so hrs at a time.
        
       | runjake wrote:
       | Based on the author's advice, I downloaded that Overdrive app and
       | signed in with my library card.
       | 
       | So far, _every single audiobook_ I want to check out is reserved
       | at least 6 months out and more commonly a year out.
       | 
       | Is there some other scheme for borrowing audiobooks? I used to
       | subscribe to Audible but it wasn't a very good deal.
        
       | dionidium wrote:
       | > _I will end by saying, as a guy, I have never had any problems
       | from other people. In all my years walking all over. But that it
       | is sadly very very different for women._
       | 
       | He's either only walking in exceptionally safe areas, he's very
       | large, or I have a particularly punchable face. I biked every
       | road in St. Louis a few years ago, which required biking every
       | street in some high-crime neighborhoods. I was frequently made to
       | feel uncomfortable. I was never attacked or anything like that,
       | but multiple times it was made clear to me that I was where I
       | didn't belong. And I was on a bike and could quickly ride away. I
       | think I would have had a lot more trouble on foot.
       | 
       | I remember being in a bar once and some guy started trouble with
       | me for _no reason_ and my buddy, who is 6 '3'' and 250 pounds did
       | not believe that detail, because "nobody would start trouble with
       | you for _no_ reason. " To paraphrase Don Draper, "no, nobody
       | would start trouble with _you_ for no reason. "
        
         | perardi wrote:
         | I am a huge advocate for walking, and I walk a lot, but there
         | is a certain biased assumption of safety.
         | 
         | I live in Chicago. I live in a...oh...let's say a gentrifying
         | area of Chicago.
         | 
         | I can imagine it would be intimidating to walk around some of
         | the areas near me if I was a woman, or presenting as
         | female/non-binary, or even a smaller man. _(The non-binary bit
         | is not some empty bit of woke, it is also a very LGBT-heavy
         | area of town.)_ It's easy to advocate walking, and perhaps easy
         | to shrug off alarmism about crime, when you're not likely to be
         | the target of harassment or criminality.
         | 
         | Fortunately for me, I am easily the most terrifying creature on
         | the street at 4am, and can blithely walk 2 miles to get home
         | when Uber prices spike to $40. https://imgur.com/a/QoTzQr6
        
         | devoutsalsa wrote:
         | I'm a large man and rarely get harassed. But even I can get
         | mugged by the cops in Mexico. When in doubt, stick to well lit
         | paths.
        
         | lupire wrote:
         | Bike gets a stronger reaction than walking, especially on roads
         | without bike lanes.
         | 
         | Bars have aggressive drunks.
        
         | aerostable_slug wrote:
         | I would invert your statement and posit you were riding in very
         | dangerous areas. Most of the US is very safe compared to St.
         | Louis, Chicago, Oakland, Richmond (CA), Detroit, Atlanta, etc.
         | 
         | Don't go to stupid places filled with stupid people doing
         | stupid things and you'll likely be okay -- and this includes
         | bars after midnight just about anywhere. Nothing good happens
         | after midnight, but I digress.
         | 
         | I agree with you that it was a good thing you were on a bike
         | and I'm glad you're here to post about it!
        
           | gautamcgoel wrote:
           | I'm from Atlanta, and it's interesting to see ATL on this
           | list. Does ATL have a reputation as a "rough" city? Not
           | offended, just curious.
        
           | exhilaration wrote:
           | _Don 't go to stupid places filled with stupid people doing
           | stupid things and you'll likely be okay -- and this includes
           | bars after midnight just about anywhere. Nothing good happens
           | after midnight, but I digress._
           | 
           | I see we both watch the same YouTube channel!
        
             | gautamcgoel wrote:
             | Which channel is that?
        
         | ensignavenger wrote:
         | I've done a lot of urban walking in a variety of towns. One
         | time in a town much smaller and lower crime than St. Louis, I
         | had a guy approach me and say "thanks for finding my phone--
         | give me my phone!" I was holding my own phone, and I ignored
         | the comment and kept walking- at a brisker pace, and watching
         | their actions very carefully. I am 90% sure I could have
         | defended myself if he had attacked me. I'm a very average sized
         | person, if I had been smaller who know what he would have done?
         | 
         | Any way, I agree, its best to always be alert and aware no
         | matter where you are and be smart about where you walk, no
         | matter what your gender presentation is. There are some crazy
         | people in this world.
        
         | kendallpark wrote:
         | I had a conversation with a cyclist who grew up in one of those
         | "high crime neighborhoods" in St. Louis. He said that he
         | received strange looks and comments when he visited his old
         | neighborhood with a road bike attached to his car. He belonged;
         | the bike did not. I suspect that more-than-casual cycling is a
         | cultural oddity in some areas. I'm not sure that walking would
         | garner the same reaction.
        
         | cortesoft wrote:
         | > I biked every road in St. Louis a few years ago, which
         | required biking every street in some high-crime neighborhoods.
         | 
         | He is likely avoiding high-crime neighborhoods. There is a big
         | gap between 'exceptionally safe' and 'high-crime'
         | neighborhoods. Your average and even below average
         | neighborhoods are likely safe for most walkers.
        
       | lnwlebjel wrote:
       | > My rule of thumb is to try and aim for consistency, and never
       | try to change my total miles walked in a week more than roughly
       | 30% a week
       | 
       | I've read suggestions to keep it at about 10% per week to prevent
       | injury. And more generally to increase in one dimension only
       | (intensity, frequency or duration). Important to know as you get
       | older ...
        
       | kendallpark wrote:
       | I've gained an appreciation for walking through very roundabout
       | means.
       | 
       | For the longest time I found walking even short distances
       | insufferably slow and boring. I ride my bike--a lot. The
       | distances and durations I cover have grown each year to the point
       | that centuries (metric or imperial) are a regular weekend event.
       | Boredom is always an issue when you're out for 5+ hours, but
       | you'd be surprised at how much your sense of time can change if
       | you normalize riding long distances. Interestingly, my mind's
       | time-condensation for cycling never translated to walking.
       | 
       | This year I branched out into winter ultra fat biking, which, as
       | it turns out, can involve a significant amount of walking. In bad
       | snow conditions one can end up pushing a heavy bike for hours at
       | a time. The two races I did this winter had their respective all
       | time worst course conditions. So, I did a lot of walking.
       | 
       | This spring I've found myself opting walk to the gym and office,
       | leaving the bike at home. My mind doesn't count the minutes the
       | way it used to. I actually have no sense of how long it takes me
       | to get to these places. I suspect the exaggerated stimulus of
       | pushing a bike for hours through snow drifts has adapted my
       | perception of everyday walking. I would hypothesize that the
       | author's 20-mile weekend walks makes their long daily walks more
       | doable. If you want to enjoy short regular walks, perhaps it
       | would help to go out for a very long and hard walk from time to
       | time.
        
       | werber wrote:
       | This has been my norm for most of adult life, and I recently
       | discovered Chaclas which kinda feel like a cross between
       | Birkenstocks and Teva and are a breeze to walk 15 to 20 miles in.
       | Highly recommend checking out their sandals
        
         | hombre_fatal wrote:
         | Can you link to the sandals you're talking about? Only thing
         | that comes up for me are the misspelling of chanclas, the
         | generic word for sandals in spanish.
        
           | kingaillas wrote:
           | Not the OP, but maybe they meant chacos?
           | (https://www.chacos.com/)
           | 
           | I have a pair and as an avid hiker and trail runner... I'm
           | not sure I'd walk 15-20 miles in them. I have other better-
           | suited footwear for that!
        
             | Qub3d wrote:
             | My family is a bit of a Chaco cult. We've climbed 14'ers in
             | Colorado in them, my sister wore Chacos under her wedding
             | dress, and I unintentionally ended up living and working
             | close to the HQ.
             | 
             | I personally have walked 10 miles in a pair, but it was
             | pretty casual walking.
             | 
             | Get them on sale, and send them in to get refurbished from
             | time-to-time. They are fantastic.
        
       | js2 wrote:
       | 12 miles = 19.3 km.
       | 
       | I've been following Tom Turich on Facebook for years now. He's
       | just about to finish up his 7 year walk around the world with his
       | dog Savannah. I think he was walking around 15-20 miles (24-32
       | km) a day, somedays upwards of 30 miles (48 km).
       | 
       | http://theworldwalk.com/
       | 
       | Most updates are on FB, not his web site:
       | 
       | https://www.facebook.com/TheWorldWalk/
       | 
       | Some AMAs he's done over the years:
       | 
       | https://old.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/3m7erz/i_am_tom_turci...
       | 
       | https://old.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/4sheeq/i_am_tom_turci...
       | 
       | https://old.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/al1elx/i_am_tom_turci...
       | 
       | https://old.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/szksev/i_will_soon_be...
       | 
       | The most miles I've done (walking and running) in a day is 105
       | (169 km). It was a lot. The world record is 192.252 miles (309.4
       | km). Okay, that involved some running.
        
         | pbhjpbhj wrote:
         | How many hours walking did you do to go 105mi? I'm finding that
         | hard to believe.
         | 
         | 200mi in a day, wow, but what's the record for walking, yours
         | has to be close?
        
           | js2 wrote:
           | I was a little ambiguous there. It was a 24 hour race around
           | a 1.5 mi loop. I completed 105 miles in a combination of
           | walking/running, probably about a 50/50 split between the
           | two. Stopped only to use the restroom and for shoe/sock
           | changes. The race supplied food and drink.
           | 
           | I've also completed 12 hour races (I get to around 62
           | miles/100 km), and I've done distance races of 50 miles and
           | 100 miles. My best time for 100 miles is 23 hours, but folks
           | complete this distance much faster, say 14:23:13:
           | 
           | http://umstead100.org/index.html
           | 
           | http://www.devonyanko.com/news/2022/4/8/umstead-100-race-
           | rep...
           | 
           | I don't know if there are 24-hour racewalking competitions,
           | but 100 mile racewalks are a thing:
           | 
           | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centurion_(racewalking)
        
       | AlbertCory wrote:
       | Look up the word _flaneur_ (or _flaneur_ if the accent is a
       | problem).
       | 
       | Nessim Nicholas Taleb describes himself as one.
        
         | bmj wrote:
         | I highly recommend Rebecca Solnit's book _Wanderlust_. She
         | dives into the history of walking, and she spends a chapter on
         | notable flaneurs.
        
         | nsxwolf wrote:
         | We have a guy in Chicago named Joseph Kromelis. He's been
         | walking the city day in and day out since the early 1970s at
         | least. All day, every day. Not homeless or mentally ill or
         | anything, just likes to walk.
        
       | oneepic wrote:
       | I think this article could use a bit more info about protecting
       | against injury. For example, I'm sure a podiatrist or physical
       | therapist would have a number of things to add about finding a
       | good shoe, or insoles/orthotics, or muscles/fascia/IT band/etc
       | parts to stretch.
        
       | ArtWomb wrote:
       | I'd love to have this freedom. As well as a nice cabin up in the
       | Green Mountains of Vermont to explore. But 12mi a day, and you're
       | basically a professional hiker for a living when you include prep
       | time and post prandial hot tub soaks for recovery ;)
        
         | ajuc wrote:
         | There's no prep time for walking.
        
         | ketanmaheshwari wrote:
         | Hey I understand the spirit of your message but you don't
         | really have to be a professional hiker. The OP says it takes
         | three and a half hours to walk 12 miles but could be easily
         | squeezed to 3 hours. Then, it could be split. Half of this
         | could be done in the morning and the other half in the evening.
         | 
         | I would kindly urge you to consider this and give walking a
         | fair try. It made a lot of positive change in my life. Best
         | wishes.
        
           | rootusrootus wrote:
           | > could be easily squeezed to 3 hours
           | 
           | The fraction of the population that can sustain a 4 mph pace
           | comfortably for three hours is probably small. That's a
           | pretty good clip. 2.5 to 3 mph is much more realistic.
        
             | mordechai9000 wrote:
             | I'm a pretty fast hiker most of the time, and I find that
             | my pace almost always works out to 2 mph once I figure in
             | breaks and miscellaneous stops or delays. Like fishing out
             | sunglasses, taking bio breaks, removing or adding layers,
             | or enjoying the view for a few minutes. (Granted we're not
             | necessarily talking about hiking.)
        
             | rootusrootus wrote:
             | On an unrelated note, this is the one detail that always
             | bothered me about the Long Walk. It doesn't seem plausible.
             | 2 mph I could believe.
        
             | phendrenad2 wrote:
             | Yes. I've been walking for a LONG time and 12 miles takes
             | me about 4 hours. That's a lot of time out of your day,
             | plus you likely won't have a lot of energy left for errands
             | or whatever else needs to be done afterwards.
        
         | windowsrookie wrote:
         | You're already talking yourself out of walking and you haven't
         | even started. ;)
         | 
         | 12 miles is totally doable, but start with less because you'll
         | injure yourself if you don't walk at all now. Even just 15
         | minutes of walking is great.
         | 
         | I am more of a bicyclist and luckily there are many trails
         | around me. (I don't like riding on the streets) On a nice
         | summer day I can easily spend 3 hours riding. If you work a
         | full time 9-5, there is still plenty of time in the morning or
         | evening to get a few hours of exercise in . (I should take my
         | own advice here!)
        
           | comprev wrote:
           | I'm a cyclist too and in the recent good weather I've
           | averaged about 50km per day (split into morning/evening
           | rides) during the week and usually a 70-80km ride one weekend
           | day. Making the most of the weather while it lasts!
        
       | daenz wrote:
       | I got a portable treadmill in June 2021. I put it under my
       | standing desk and walk at a slow/medium most of the day while I
       | work. I'm at 723 miles so far.
        
       | SamBam wrote:
       | For creative inspirations, or even just thinking through a
       | project in your head, a walk outside can be amazing.
       | 
       | What's best is if you can take a full hour-long or more walk, and
       | let your mind wander for the majority of it. You don't need to be
       | actively thinking the whole time, that can actually defeat the
       | purpose of it.
       | 
       | But don't let the great be the enemy of the good, if all you can
       | take is 15 minutes, and you need to be thinking the whole time,
       | do that instead.
        
       | balaji1 wrote:
       | Great article hashing out the details of implementing regular
       | long walks as a habit.
       | 
       | However, it would be cool if there was a way to get paid for
       | walking. That would motivate a lot more people, even if it is
       | minimal pay. Walk-to-earn crypto game anyone?
        
         | onemoresoop wrote:
         | Walking is great for your general health, so in a way you're
         | getting paid in health credits.
        
         | darrenf wrote:
         | Sweatcoin are launching a token later this year.
         | https://sweatco.in/
        
         | mr_november wrote:
         | Check out https://www.stepn.com/
        
         | dinkleberg wrote:
         | What service does you walking generate for others that they
         | should pay you to do it?
         | 
         | As a daily walker, I have to say it is its own reward.
        
           | balaji1 wrote:
           | agree that walking is a reward in itself. I should have
           | phrased it as - "more people would walk more if they were
           | rewarded more tangibly". Friendly competition might
           | incentivize more people to walk. Just some thoughts since the
           | article is trying to encourage more people to walk.
        
             | nradov wrote:
             | Some fitness tracker apps and websites such as Garmin
             | Connect have monthly challenges for walking steps or
             | distance. They allow you to challenge your friends and
             | track progress.
        
             | dinkleberg wrote:
             | I wasn't very charitable with my interpretation there,
             | you're right incentivizing more people to walk is
             | definitely a good a thing.
             | 
             | I think a lot of the smartwatches have done a decent job at
             | that, though there of course is the overhead to buy and
             | wear one of them.
             | 
             | But even as someone who has been getting daily exercise for
             | at least a decade now and doesn't need encouragement, the
             | little awards my Apple Watch gives me for hitting my
             | targets feels good.
        
         | tailsdog wrote:
         | > However, it would be cool if there was a way to get paid for
         | walking.
         | 
         | Dog walker
        
         | rootusrootus wrote:
         | Figure out how to convince coworkers to schedule all meetings
         | during a specific 3 hour window each day, perhaps.
         | 
         | On my walks I regularly see a guy who seems to either be doing
         | exactly that, or he just has meetings all day. I've never gone
         | past him when he wasn't chatting away on a phone meeting.
        
           | balaji1 wrote:
           | that's smart. We always had 1:1s where we would just step out
           | and walk. In a way, it forced 1:1s to be 30 mins long. Now
           | 1:1s have become "you can have 15 mins back in your day" lol.
           | 1:1s can definitely be done walking, even if some of the
           | other meetings can't be.
        
         | wmeredith wrote:
         | Not outright payment, but there have been many efforts over the
         | years to capture walking energy. One example I found after a
         | quick search: https://www.bbc.com/news/science-
         | environment-30816255
        
       | stevesearer wrote:
       | After walking to and from work for 5 years along the same route,
       | I found that I prefer walking without listening to anything on
       | headphones.
       | 
       | Just thinking increases awareness of my surroundings, allows me
       | time to process existing thoughts as opposed to consuming more
       | inputs, and connects me to the people I would inevitably see on a
       | semi-regular basis.
       | 
       | Personally, I have found that 1 hour + is a good threshold to aim
       | for for some really quality thinking. After about an hour I've
       | already processed normal stuff about family or work and have
       | moved on to deeper topics.
        
         | danielvaughn wrote:
         | When I lived in NYC, my commute was about 45 minutes. As much
         | as everyone hates long commutes, I found that to be a very
         | ideal amount of time to decompress from work. It's different
         | when you don't have to drive; standing or sitting on a train is
         | much more relaxing.
        
           | agumonkey wrote:
           | Driving is very stressful, and inherently risky (most people
           | a cramped up in their car). Also, 45 minutes of walk is near
           | ideal to get endorphins (AFAIK).
           | 
           | I try to double fork my commute, either explore some new path
           | or do some groceries so the 45minutes are not just
           | walk/train.
           | 
           | Right now I do bike - train - bike (but, surprisingly, trains
           | are unreliable this month .. they're the one making me late
           | :)
        
             | mrtweetyhack wrote:
        
           | SnowHill9902 wrote:
           | It's a mental interregno.
        
         | FpUser wrote:
         | I do 2 hours of activity per day (cycling, walking, swimming,
         | etc). More in a summer. Since in winter it is more or less
         | routine I just work when I do it. Usually solve some design /
         | programming / planning task which I will implement later when
         | at my desk. Over many years it has become a habit. Sometimes
         | when I come back home for a walk I can't remember a thing about
         | outside because my legs were doing on work and the brain was
         | busy with the other.
        
         | munificent wrote:
         | _> allows me time to process existing thoughts as opposed to
         | consuming more inputs_
         | 
         | This can't be stressed enough.
         | 
         | With phones and the Internet today, most of us consume way more
         | information than we have time to really process, organize, and
         | reflect on. It's like we do a shopping spree every single day
         | and never spend any time in our house unpacking any of the
         | grocery bags. Our minds are a chaotic mess of piled up worries,
         | news, unmade decisions, etc.
         | 
         | Walking (without audiobooks or other media) is the single best
         | solution I've found to give my brain the idle time it needs to
         | run a defrag and work through that backlog.
        
           | flybrand wrote:
           | I've gotten to this same point recently too. Cut down on the
           | bonus time - get more music, more silence.
        
           | balaji1 wrote:
           | There is a benefit of re-listening to certain audiobooks,
           | lectures or podcasts. If there was a sophisticated way to
           | just have content on-repeat, that would be cool. New content
           | all the time is over-consumption, while repeating could be
           | used for learning.
           | 
           | Also if walking alone, people should try calling friends and
           | family. It's a great way to reconnect and stay connected with
           | friends. Handsfree, heads up, it's good fun. I also feel much
           | more chatty when on a walk.
           | 
           | Anyway, walking commutes are the best.
        
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           | serial_dev wrote:
           | What I like to do sometimes is spend the first 10-ish minutes
           | listening to a book or podcast to plant some ideas, then let
           | these ideas percolate, let my mind wander, and if I get to
           | somewhere interesting and actionable, I take a note.
        
             | mmmpop wrote:
             | Same. I start with a book/podcast and if my mind likes it,
             | I keep it on. But often my mind wanders (may it be a
             | distraction or inspiration from whatever it is in my
             | headphones) and I'll go ahead and operate sans audio.
        
           | mgfist wrote:
           | I just do whatever I feel like on that particular walk. I'd
           | say 40/20/40 on whether I want to listen to a
           | podcast/audiobook, listen to music or walk in silence.
        
           | farleykr wrote:
           | This is an excellent articulation. I've read dozens of books
           | and articles about the cons of using technology too much and
           | it's never quite clicked like it did when I read your
           | shopping analogy. Maybe it has something to do with the fact
           | that you're a stranger on the internet and I don't have any
           | underlying worries about your stance being motivated by
           | selling books or building an audience on social media.
        
         | dkersten wrote:
         | I agree completely.
         | 
         | I used to listen to music and stuff a lot while walking or even
         | commuting but a few years ago I decided to give up on most idle
         | listening, preferring to listen to music or podcasts with
         | intent now: eg to enjoy some music, not just passively.
         | 
         | I used to walk a lot (I still walk a good bit but because I
         | work from home I don't walk to work each day anymore) and I
         | found the quiet time to be the best time to come up with
         | solutions to problems, to reflect on my life or day, to just
         | wind down and switch off, to enjoy nature (when I walk to walk,
         | as opposed to walking to reaching a destination, I typically
         | walk along a river near my home). I think we are overstimulated
         | far far too much and some quiet time and boredom is good for
         | the brain and certainly it's good for creativity.
        
           | lupire wrote:
           | > > process existing thoughts as opposed to consuming more
           | inputs
           | 
           | > I agree completely.
           | 
           | > preferring to listen to music or podcasts with intent now:
           | eg to enjoy some music, not just passively.
           | 
           | That's the opposite of what parent suggested.
        
             | stevesearer wrote:
             | How I read what they wrote is that instead of mindlessly
             | listening to anything just to listen to something as the
             | default, they prefer to instead be selective if they decide
             | to listen to something.
        
           | stevesearer wrote:
           | When you set out do you have a mental agenda or do you find
           | that your mind gravitates toward worthwhile topics once
           | you're walking?
           | 
           | I'm more a mind wanderer, though for a season I tried to
           | mentally prepare myself for the transition from being at a
           | controlled work environment to walking into a house with two
           | young kids at the end of the day.
        
         | bradlys wrote:
         | > Personally, I have found that 1 hour + is a good threshold to
         | aim for for some really quality thinking. After about an hour
         | I've already processed normal stuff about family or work and
         | have moved on to deeper topics.
         | 
         | I find this kinda pointless for myself. Most of the time I just
         | revisit the same subjects over and over and come to the same
         | conclusions no matter how I try to solve it. Once I'm done with
         | the menial tasks - the "deeper" topics just make me upset to
         | think about because they make me realize how hopelessly fucked
         | I am. I'd rather not focus on that and instead do a bit of
         | hedonism while I can.
        
           | stonewashed wrote:
           | This, very much. I need to keep myself distracted, otherwise
           | I get very upset.
        
             | TedDoesntTalk wrote:
             | Look up "walking mediation" and try it.
        
           | stevesearer wrote:
           | Interesting, the way I think I think while walking/hiking is
           | much less wrestling one specific topic to come to a
           | conclusion and more bouncing around between many things.
           | Maybe I don't even really conclude things but instead just
           | move an idea along.
        
             | uuyi wrote:
             | Been hiking for a long time and do really long hikes.
             | Eventually an epiphany or moment of self realisation will
             | appear out of the blue. I had one at the weekend which was
             | somewhat life changing.
        
       | squidbot wrote:
       | I used to be an avid walker, at least an hour a day back and
       | forth to work, and long walks with the dogs around my home (lucky
       | to live in a beautiful area in the PNW with close beaches and
       | lots of trees, so plenty to enjoy.) I've been walking since I was
       | a kid, as it was the only way to get back and forth to school and
       | town growing up in the Berkeley hills. Though I resented it as a
       | kid, I grew in to loving walks.
       | 
       | I've been developing severe osteoarthritis in my knees over the
       | last decade since I hit my 40's, and now it's so bad, I'm unable
       | to walk more than about 10 minutes. It's had a tremendous
       | negative impact on my physical and mental health, especially as
       | it was coincident with the pandemic. I've "replaced it" with
       | biking, but for some reason, it just doesn't do as much for me as
       | walking did. I've gained about 30 pounds, I'm tired all the time,
       | and for the first time ever, feeling a little blue now and then
       | and not doing other things I used to enjoy (very mild though, my
       | wife has major depression and mine is a blip comparatively.) I
       | guess I'm a living testament to how important walking is.
       | 
       | I like the timing of this article for myself. On the bright side,
       | I'm getting one of my knees replaced next week, and the other
       | hopefully in 6 months if recovery goes well. I am really looking
       | forward to daily walks again and getting back to that healthy
       | place I was in for so long!
        
         | golemiprague wrote:
        
       | bubblecheck wrote:
       | I've walked about 12-15 miles a day for >2 months now, while
       | homeless. I found myself unable to perform manual labor on top of
       | the walking for any sustained amount of time. Extended fatigue
       | takes over.
       | 
       | For a sedentary/desk job, I suspect that maintaining this
       | quantity of walking daily would be feasible, and beneficial, long
       | term.
        
       | volforix wrote:
       | I have roughly the same routine. However, I have been lucky to
       | have two additional components on many occasions: * Super
       | interesting conversations with my walking comrades. * LSD /
       | mushrooms / MDMA. Apart from doing garbage collection on my
       | subconscious psychedelics make thinking and talking much more
       | fulfilling and satisfactory.
        
       | [deleted]
        
       | kevingadd wrote:
       | During my time as a producer at a game studio, the office was
       | located in a little business park surrounded by grass and rivers
       | and small lakes, with lots of wildlife and some hiking trails. We
       | had a tradition of going out on walks every day before/after
       | lunch, usually a couple loops around the park. I made a point of
       | going every time because I found that lots of conversations would
       | happen naturally during the walk and some of them helped me
       | identify process issues that weren't being addressed or discussed
       | yet - the sorts of things that people were afraid to complain
       | about in meetings because it would make them seem like a whiner.
        
         | woliveirajr wrote:
         | Sometimes getting out of the loop and going to a coffee, to a
         | walk, or anything that just makes you leave the building but
         | keep talking with coleagues can make wonders for productivity.
        
         | KineticLensman wrote:
         | > I found that lots of conversations would happen naturally
         | during the walk and some of them helped me identify process
         | issues that weren't being addressed or discussed yet
         | 
         | I stepped up to a line manager role (to cover someone for
         | maternity leave) so that I was suddenly line-managing my peers.
         | We had always gone for walks at lunchtime and we very quickly
         | evolved the convention that conservations during the walk were
         | with 'old me' vs those in the office that were with 'manager-
         | me'. This allowed me to vent as well, given that we all a
         | fairly cynical non-corporate bunch.
        
       | ajuc wrote:
       | I started walking regularly (averages to about 9km a day) over a
       | year ago. It transformed my life.
       | 
       | I was walking a little bit before, but not regularly. Since I
       | started doing it every day I lost 35 kg and got much happier. I
       | just can't continue to be angry about anything after walking for
       | 1 hour with a good book on the headphones.
       | 
       | Now I'm usually doing about 5-10 km on work days and 20-35 km on
       | free days. I skip if the weather is bad but it's rare.
       | 
       | I agree that sometimes it's better not to listen to anything -
       | you can recognize these days by the fact you don't actually
       | listen to the stuff on the headphones. Then I just turn it off or
       | put some instrumental music instead.
        
       | TrevorJ wrote:
       | Taking walks with friends or colleagues is a vastly underrated
       | activity and leads to some great conversations.
        
         | layer8 wrote:
         | I always have the problem that I can either focus on the
         | conversation or on the environment, but not both. When I
         | concentrate on the conversation, I completely blind out my
         | surroundings. Trying to repeatedly switch between both is
         | exhausting.
        
         | stevesearer wrote:
         | It is interesting how much more natural a side-by-side walking
         | conversation feels than a sit-across-the-table coffee shop
         | conversation.
        
           | zdragnar wrote:
           | I had a manager who (back when we were office workers) liked
           | to do outdoor walking 1-on-1 meetings. TBH, I really disliked
           | it, but not enough to ask to stay indoors. I found the noise
           | and sights rather distracting.
        
           | vladvasiliu wrote:
           | It's true, but in a busy city environment, you're pretty much
           | forced to form pairs. Because of the noise, it's very hard to
           | hear what the person on the other side is saying.
        
           | TrevorJ wrote:
           | It definitely makes the situation feel a lot lower pressure
           | to me. After all, the chief activity is taking a hike/walk,
           | so if the conversation lulls it never feels awkward and
           | there's always something new to see and remark on.
        
       | ChrisMarshallNY wrote:
       | I walk 3 miles, each morning (takes about 50 min).
       | 
       | Here's a useful tool, for planning routes. A friend wrote it:
       | https://apps.apple.com/us/app/easyroute/id605127860
        
       | theuri wrote:
       | It's also easy to hit this goal with a treadmill desk ;)
        
       | at_a_remove wrote:
       | I was thinking of taking up walking again, despite getting
       | stopped by police more than I would really like.
       | 
       | But I considered getting some kind of MP3 player and have gone
       | down the bizarre rabbit hole of trying to find out if those even
       | exist now, do they use .m3u playlists, and so forth. I haven't
       | had as much time to listen to my music and I am not a user of
       | streaming services (I want to listen to what I want to listen to,
       | rather than some kind of firehose of what someone else decides
       | via algorithm), so this would be a nice time to do it.
        
         | twodave wrote:
         | If you don't mind going with Bluetooth headphones, there are
         | many watches out there that'll store mp3s and playlists on
         | them. Kill several birds with one stone and get a nice Garmin
         | that'll also track vitals, map your hike, and measure your pace
         | along with being able to play music and listen to audiobooks ;)
        
         | otikik wrote:
         | They make it more difficult than they should, but you can
         | totally copy mp3 files in your Android or iphone and use a
         | regular mp3 player app to listen to your own music. Most phones
         | these days have space to spare.
        
       | winrid wrote:
       | Advice: Get out and walk at least once a day, and try to look at
       | things far away once in a while. Otherwise, if you're just
       | staying inside as a resulting habbit of Covid, you can give
       | yourself pseudomyopia (temporary near-sightedness) which can be
       | scary (source: happened to me recently).
        
       | markus_zhang wrote:
       | I used to ride bicycle with my friend a few times every week 10
       | years ago. Now it's a distant dream. Both of us have families and
       | full time job so barely getting enough sleep. Weekends are
       | usually spent on chores or personal projects that never get
       | finished.
       | 
       | Those were the good days.
        
         | kjs3 wrote:
         | Amen brother. I walk about an hour a day, most every day, and
         | do some light weights. It's the perfect amount of clear-your-
         | head-and-think time for me, and makes me feel tons better. But
         | it's a tradeoff about what doesn't get done (or that I push off
         | on my wife & family) because I do it. The theme some folks in
         | this thread are pushing that "oh, just take 3-4 hours a
         | day...no big deal anyone can do that...you have nothing more
         | important to do" is seriously defective.
        
           | markus_zhang wrote:
           | Exactly. It's always trade off. I actually don't spend a lot
           | of time on my kid because my parents are helping a lot. That
           | will change in a year or so and I'd have even less time. Just
           | hope he can sleep throughout the night without waking up so
           | that we can grab more sleep.
        
       | Mikeb85 wrote:
       | I'm a big fan of walking (or hiking). So much that I moved to a
       | mountain town.
       | 
       | For one, creative inspiration often comes to me while walking.
       | Second, it beats sitting on a couch. If you need added
       | stimulation, go with a walking partner or listen to a podcast.
       | Plus health benefits (not going to say it's an amazing workout
       | depending on intensity but it's better than being sedentary) and
       | it's fun.
       | 
       | Yes, it takes time. Sometimes you don't have time. That's ok. It
       | doesn't have to be _every_ day. But it 's something you can do
       | with kids, parents, colleagues, by yourself, etc...
        
       | tibbar wrote:
       | I also love taking long walks on the weekends! I've ramped up
       | over time to around 35 mile walks. I always take the same route,
       | over the Golden Gate bridge and back. With this distance there is
       | a heightened risk of repetitive stress injury, but you can help
       | by increasing distance slowly and doing simple foot/ankle
       | exercises during the week. Besides the potential for listening to
       | music/podcasts, it's also a great time to call friends who may
       | live in other places.
       | 
       | Unlike the author, I do wear a backpack. I really like having all
       | the stuff I might want with me, from snacks to Gatorade to
       | jackets, etc.
       | 
       | It can be very meditative as well. If you walk quietly for
       | several hours, just focusing on breathing and walking, you can be
       | in (almost) another state of consciousness by the time you get
       | back.
        
       | mseidl wrote:
       | Get a dog! I have a high energy dog, we're out for 3x a day for
       | 45-60 minutes.
        
       | icpmacdo wrote:
       | I walked 100km in one day(22 hours) around Vancouver last month
       | for fun, its feels strange have walking develop into a deep
       | hobby.
        
       | throwpp034578 wrote:
       | I would like to read instructions on how to walk -- on the act
       | itself.
       | 
       | Sure I have been walking for most of my life, but how do I make
       | sure that I walk with a good posture, without slouching, without
       | _looking_ weird /with confidence/grace/poise/or whatever
       | adjective is appropriate.
       | 
       | I'm sure there are people who walk better than me and I'd like to
       | learn how to do so.
        
       | entropie wrote:
       | Easy to accomplish (at least for me). One word: Dog. I walk daily
       | 90 minutes at least. There was a time (and another dog, but thats
       | not the reason) where it was more like 120-200 minutes a day
       | outside. I live in a fairly populated town in east Germany. We
       | have a solid forest and lots of lakes around. Its great and like
       | 20 years+ later I know most of them, but not all.
       | 
       | My coworker and I worked like a year together at my place. He
       | came around, we drank a coffee together and started working. Like
       | 3-4 hours later, depending on schedule, we took a good 60
       | minutes+ walk with my dog. We talked project related things
       | sometimes, but it felt never like "we have to talk about work",
       | We were kind of friends so we had lots of other topics. Then back
       | at my place we continued for 2,3 or even 5 hours. We had no
       | issues stopping after 2 hours, but did often way more. We were
       | _very_ productive.
       | 
       | We were a good match, but those breaks outside enjoying life
       | (forced by my habits to go at least 60minutes outside with the
       | dog) helped a lot not burning out and making room in the brain.
        
         | rhodysurf wrote:
         | I am similar and walk my dog for about an hour before and
         | another hour after work every day. It's amazing how much you
         | can think through with dedicated time and space to do so, not
         | to mention physical health benefits
        
         | perardi wrote:
         | A dog is also great for motivating you to get outside during
         | bad weather.
         | 
         | Well. I suppose not _all_ dogs. But get yourself some retriever
         | mutt monster, and strap on those snow boots.
         | 
         | https://imgur.com/a/E8bPE5h
        
         | abyssin wrote:
         | Such a lovely story. Thanks for sharing!
        
       | mleonhard wrote:
       | I walk about 3 miles a day. I'm interested in trying sandals +
       | socks. I'm concerned about exposure to MOAH substances in
       | Vaseline. Is there a good alternative to vaseline? Shea butter?
       | 
       | Do the Teva XLT2 sandals provide enough shock absorption for
       | walking on concrete?
        
         | metadat wrote:
         | Thanks, I'd never heard of MOAH (mineral-oil saturated /
         | aromatic hydrocarbons). Scary stuff..
        
       | lkrubner wrote:
       | Most days I walk home from work. I'm up on 98th st, Upper West
       | Side, work is down in Soho. It's about 8 kilometers direct, or I
       | can go up the east side, then wander across Central Park, and
       | make it 9 kilometers, or even 10 kilometers.
        
       | shimonabi wrote:
       | I walk 2 km a day with my dog through a golf course, usually at
       | dusk. I sell the golf balls for coffee money.
        
       | ijustwanttovote wrote:
       | Instead of walking, I bike.
        
       | layer8 wrote:
       | > Now that I am close to sixty, this is a really big deal, and
       | partly why I walk. It is the least injury-prone exercise.
       | 
       | I'd say biking is (in the right environment). It's certainly
       | easier on the knees than walking.
        
         | Johnny555 wrote:
         | Though biking for older people is probably more risky in the
         | event of a fall.
         | 
         | Also, walking is weight bearing exercise, which is supposed to
         | be better for bone strength.
        
       | pluc wrote:
       | Get a dog that requires exercise to not be an asshole. I have two
       | Weimaraners, for example.
        
       | timerol wrote:
       | I find the anti-backpack mindset interesting, because I started
       | urban walking after getting wilderness backpacking experience. I
       | can't imagine walking around without a daypack, and I often bring
       | it with me even when it's empty. On my morning commute today it
       | held a Kindle, a spare set of headphones, and a plastic bag for
       | when I buy more groceries than can fit in the pack. I'm probably
       | not going to use any of those before I get home, though.
       | 
       | Backpacks are magic for longer trips. Food, water, coffee, all go
       | in. Unsure about the weather? Layers layers layers, all in the
       | pack. I also use LL Bean's PrimaLoft Packaway (I own two, one
       | black and one orange), and have a shell for rainy/snowy weather.
       | Unless it's both cold and rainy, one of the two goes in the
       | backpack.
       | 
       | I've also never worried much about pocket preferences on my
       | shorts and pants. I instead care about pockets on my packs. My
       | current big pack is an Osprey Exos 58 (but the newer version
       | doesn't have hip belt pockets or a shoulder strap pocket), and my
       | daypack is an REI Flash 22 (with easily accessible side pockets,
       | and a top pocket that you can reach with an awkward shoulder
       | movement).
       | 
       | Edit: The big floppy hat comment was absolutely spot-on
        
         | saiya-jin wrote:
         | I am coming from same path as you describe - hiker to the core.
         | Be it 2 hours or 3 weeks in himalaya. That's my past 14 years
         | of life described (with some climbing, ski touring and few
         | other sports on top, but this is the solid base).
         | 
         | I have 2 small kids now, and they are really not in best shape
         | for long hikes or anything more extreme. Son on baby backpack
         | would be 20 kilos without any further equipment/food required.
         | 
         | So I switched to long evening walks during work week after they
         | go sleep. 2-3h, up to 10km. Luckily there are some nice options
         | around me, so I try to variate things a bit every time, join
         | things in loops and so on. Often music in the ears, very dark,
         | walking in the forests where path surface is not really
         | visible, rather than just very weak line and I trust my feet
         | (and know the surface is not really tricky since I walked it
         | 100x already).
         | 
         | Walking fast, as fast as my legs allow it for prolonged time
         | (one gets this sense after some time spent doing it, pushing
         | oneself too much is very bad idea). Also not fan of backpacks
         | for this, rather stuffing pockets of jacket with everything
         | required.
         | 
         | Its magical, clears head, tons of ideas come to me, for family,
         | work, anything. Sometimes I struggle to write it all down and
         | not forget anything. Sometimes smoking a bit of weed which
         | makes this process more smooth. One activity that keeps such
         | previously-active person as me still sane, even if kids
         | sometimes try hard to push me the other way.
        
           | mikepurvis wrote:
           | My bike commute to work used to be this time for me, though
           | it was pretty short by the clock (25mins each way), and
           | obviously was lost with the pandemic/WFH. In the last few
           | months I've reclaimed that space somewhat with recreational
           | evening walks, and that's been really great-- sometimes with
           | a friend, often on my own, usually in silence. Currently
           | these are around 40-60mins, but your post is for sure
           | inspiring me to step that up.
           | 
           | I'm a fan of the small backpack when I'm out with my kids,
           | particularly for a water bottle, tubs of snacks, a place to
           | put that pinecone they found, etc. But just me? A wallet and
           | phone in my pants pockets is more than enough.
        
         | bmj wrote:
         | I cannot deal when a backpack when the temperature is above 65
         | degrees Fahrenheit, for the very reason Arnade gives -- a
         | sweaty back. I've been using a Nittany Mountain Works fanny
         | pack on bike rides recently (the larger model will carry A5
         | notebooks, which is plenty big for my non-work commuting since
         | I'm remote full time now). I guess I will still deal with a
         | sweaty lower back, but that's better than my entire back.
         | 
         | That said, I agree with you -- I could imagine walking (or
         | riding) with stuff in my pockets.
        
           | skrtskrt wrote:
           | Cross body bags are a nice midpoint between a backpack size
           | and a fanny pack size and they don't sit on your back causing
           | sweat - I got an adidas one for like $30 and I can easily fit
           | a 32oz water bottle a folded light jacket plus other small
           | things.
        
             | hombre_fatal wrote:
             | That's the cocaine dealer uniform where I live.
        
           | jasonhansel wrote:
           | In my experience, when you go on very long (10-20mi) walks in
           | hot weather, you need a backpack even more, since you have to
           | carry around large amounts of water (either in water bottles
           | or in one of those hydration pack things).
           | 
           | Biking is different, of course--you're not outside for as
           | long (at least for a given number of miles), and you can
           | store your water bottles on the bike itself.
        
           | cheeze wrote:
           | Getting a good hiking pack designed to sit off of your back a
           | bit was a godsend to me. I'm with you that I won't carry one
           | if it's hot out, but I'll gladly carry a smaller pack all the
           | time otherwise.
           | 
           | Fanny packs are sweet, except the part where you're wearing a
           | fanny pack.
        
             | lupire wrote:
             | Spin it around so it's not on your fanny (or is, pending
             | what side of the pond you are on) and it will be less
             | offensive to bigots.
        
             | bmj wrote:
             | _Fanny packs are sweet, except the part where you 're
             | wearing a fanny pack._
             | 
             | Yes, my teenagers were shocked and appalled when they saw
             | it, and made me promise I would only wear it while on the
             | bike.
        
             | brimble wrote:
             | > Fanny packs are sweet, except the part where you're
             | wearing a fanny pack.
             | 
             | Hear me out:
             | 
             | Sport coats. (edit: and blazers)
             | 
             | Very light linen ones for hot days, which keep sun off your
             | skin without really making you hotter. Cooler days, break
             | out the wool.
             | 
             | All those extra pockets are wonderful. Grab some thin old
             | mass-market genre paperbacks and discover why they made
             | them that size :-)
             | 
             | They're like purses for men, that you can wear instead of
             | carry, and that make you look better. Similar storage
             | capacity to a fanny pack, I'd say. Maybe a little more.
        
               | codazoda wrote:
               | I'm so tempted to try this. I never wear a sport coat.
               | Well, unless I'm in a suit, which is a couple times a
               | year if I'm unlucky.
               | 
               | I wear a short sleeve polyester t-shirt in black. I own a
               | dozen of them, all identical, and wear them most days. My
               | wife hates it.
               | 
               | The black is not good on very hot days. It's surprising
               | how much difference a light color makes. But, I can't
               | seem to keep light stuff clean.
               | 
               | I don't know if I could stand my arms in a sport coat,
               | but I guess it's no different from a regular jacket in
               | the winter.
        
           | billfruit wrote:
           | May be a drawstring shoe bag could work, but usually they
           | have lesser carrying capacity than a full backpack.
        
         | technofiend wrote:
         | >I can't imagine walking around without a daypack
         | 
         | Depends on how hot and humid it is outside. Even in breathable
         | clothing like Nike Dryfit or any of the thousand knockoffs, in
         | 90+ degrees, high humidity weather, a backpack blocks
         | perspiration evaporating off. It literally becomes a hot spot
         | on your back. He did have one tip I don't entirely agree with
         | to use Vaseline, but instead I use Glide just because I don't
         | care for the consistency of petroleum jelly. Although he
         | mentions long sleeves shirts and a hat with neck guard, he said
         | nothing explicitly about skin or eye protection; people in the
         | sun day after day should be wearing polarizing lenses and high
         | SPF clothing along with sun screen.
        
           | [deleted]
        
           | mleonhard wrote:
           | Clear safety glasses block UV as well as tinted & polarizing
           | sunglasses.
        
             | technofiend wrote:
             | Nice! Good tip. Anything to prevent the advance of macular
             | degeneration and cataracts. [1] Maybe that's not settled
             | science - not sure - but it's a cheap preventative. And
             | it's settled enough at least that good sunglasses can be
             | purchased through some FSA/HSAs.
             | 
             | [1] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21617534/
        
           | clumsysmurf wrote:
           | Even during monsoon season in AZ, I still find an all-mesh
           | marathon vest like Ultimate Direction Marathon Vest V2 plenty
           | comfortable. I put my phone, flashlight, ID, hand sanitizer,
           | tweezers (for cactus thorns) and keys in it. If I need to I
           | can also put something like a Patagonia Houdini in it for
           | windy / light precip.
        
         | nahmean wrote:
         | Perhaps an odd thing to ask, but what are you packing in your
         | backpack for coffee? That sounds lovely, but between the need
         | for hot water, the subpar quality of most powdered coffees,
         | etc, it has seemed out of reach.
        
           | timerol wrote:
           | For day trips I brew coffee at home and carry it in a vacuum
           | insulated bottle. The bottle smells like coffee even after
           | cleaning, so I have one that I always use for the task.
           | 
           | For multi-day trips I already have a small camping stove (MSR
           | PocketRocket or an alcohol stove), and I pack instant coffee.
           | I heavily prioritize saving weight on longer trips, so I
           | generally drink my coffee out of the same light plastic bowl
           | that I just ate oatmeal out of, which doubles as a decent way
           | to clean the bowl.
        
           | exhilaration wrote:
           | Not the OP but I take every opportunity to brag about my
           | Zojirushi SM-KHE insulated mug. I use mine every day -- cold
           | coffee and tea are a thing of the past.
           | 
           | I have several friends that really like their Fellow Carter
           | Everywhere mugs if you want an alternative.
        
         | tobylane wrote:
         | Is the spare set of headphones in addition to another on you,
         | or secondary to the ones left at home?
        
           | timerol wrote:
           | In addition to the ones I had in my ears. It's not a normal
           | thing for me to carry. I had thought I lost a pair of
           | earbuds. I keep an extra set of cheap headphones at home, so
           | I put them in my backpack. And then it turned out my main
           | earbuds were in my jacket pocket, so now I'm carrying two
           | pairs until I get home tonight.
        
         | eternalban wrote:
         | I take my backpack [1] on my daily 1.5+ walk. Typically, with
         | just an iPad, and a water bottle, but when I get to the
         | destination in SoHo (Manhattan) it gets stuffed with fresh
         | baked Bagguete, and some other minor daily grocery etc.
         | 
         | [1]: https://projektco.com/products/gravy-silverado (can't
         | recommend this high enough.)
        
       | astrobe_ wrote:
       | As for safety, always look left and right when you cross, just
       | like how your were probably taught as a child, _really_. Because
       | of today 's rise of mostly silent electric vehicles, and because
       | of drivers distracted by phones sometimes, you should not cross
       | "by hear", if it ever was a good idea (I used to do that), _even
       | if you have the green light_. Be extra cautious if a large truck
       | or bus blocks your view. Remove your headset /earphones in high
       | traffic environments.
       | 
       | The author mentions other (hostile) people as a potential
       | problem, one could also mention wild animals or straight dogs in
       | urban environments. I had a couple of encounters with lost dogs
       | myself, thankfully they were not hostile. Advice on how to behave
       | from "pros" would be welcome.
        
         | swayvil wrote:
         | Gay dogs, otoh, are generally friendly.
        
           | imoverclocked wrote:
           | Strike another win for auto-corrupt.
        
             | _Algernon_ wrote:
             | What's corrupt about happy dogs?
        
         | aaaaaaaaaaab wrote:
         | >As for safety, always look left and right when you cross
         | 
         | * or right and left, if you're in the UK
        
           | nicky0 wrote:
           | or Ireland, Australia, NZ, South Africa, Malta, Cyprus,
           | Kenya...
        
           | hanoz wrote:
           | Or as we were taught, by Batman, _" Look right, look left,
           | look right again"_.
           | 
           | https://youtu.be/_awciO_uFdc
        
         | stevesearer wrote:
         | Another benefit of regular walking is that you grow more
         | attentive and courteous to pedestrians when you are driving.
        
           | imoverclocked wrote:
           | So much this; It's really easy to be upset at others for not
           | conforming to your expectations in a car. Stepping into
           | another mode of transportation (walking/cycling/even a
           | different kind of motor-vehicle) can do a lot to expand your
           | awareness of others constraints.
        
         | chasd00 wrote:
         | watch the freaking turning lane like a hawk too. I got hit by a
         | police car, of all things, once because he was turning and just
         | didn't see me. I had to do the whole ninja roll across the hood
         | and off the other side. I wasn't injured too bad, just a sprung
         | wrist.
        
         | ketanmaheshwari wrote:
         | I would add that absolutely do not cross if a car has stopped
         | at a stop sign UNLESS you have an explicit signal from the
         | driver. Most drivers have an almost instinctual stop & go at
         | such stop signs and not in response to seeing a pedestrian.
         | Always wait for the driver to see you and have a nod with them
         | so you are sure they have stopped for you.
        
           | Zircom wrote:
           | My girlfriend used to smirk and roll her eyes at me when I
           | would stop and stare at drivers and wave to them when we
           | would cross in front of them at crosswalks and stop signs and
           | wait for them to wave back, until someone almost ran us over
           | the one time I didn't. Now she's a waver like me.
        
           | ensignavenger wrote:
           | And even then, you have to be careful of the cars behind
           | them. Was crossing at a cross walk once- the first car
           | stopped to let me cross- the car behind them swerved around
           | them and blew through the cross walk- at about the time I
           | would have been there, had I not been paying close attention
           | and stopped!
        
           | stjohnswarts wrote:
           | I always do this anyway. I figure if they're stopped I can be
           | decent and let them go, I'm usually not in any hurry when I'm
           | out walking, no reason to hold up the person in the car and
           | like you said it's much safer.
        
       | smm11 wrote:
       | Put one foot in front of the other.
        
         | sophacles wrote:
         | Pretty sure thats a good way to trip and fall. Need some
         | variation on the other axes too.
        
       | gandalfff wrote:
       | I've thought about incorporating such long walks into my
       | lifestyle but I'm not certain the benefits add up. Definitely a
       | fun idea though!
        
         | sleepdreamy wrote:
         | Elaborate on 'I'm not certain the benefits add up'
        
           | rootusrootus wrote:
           | My interpretation is that GP is observing that the benefits
           | do not scale linearly. Most of the exercise benefit happens
           | after a relatively short walk. The extra two hours a day for
           | a long walk is expensive in time, but doesn't multiply the
           | benefits 3x.
        
             | gandalfff wrote:
             | Exactly this! Thank you for explaining this better than I
             | did.
        
             | e_y_ wrote:
             | Walking is nice in that it's low-impact, although it's
             | probably much more time-efficient to do a shorter, higher
             | intensity exercise like running. (Saying this as someone
             | who primarily walks and never runs)
        
           | paulcole wrote:
           | He wants to have done it but needs an excuse to keep from
           | doing it.
        
         | iso1631 wrote:
         | Do you do any exercise at all?
        
           | gandalfff wrote:
           | Yes, I walk/run, but not this far.
        
         | pugworthy wrote:
         | Last year I used the CityStrides website to track and walk
         | every street in my town. All told about 385 miles or so.
         | 
         | Some changes I've noticed since doing this are listed below.
         | Not that they are earth shattering, but just a few things I've
         | observed.
         | 
         | * My resting heart rate fell by about 5 BPM.
         | 
         | * I can now run and walk in my dreams and rarely have the "legs
         | in molasses" thing (if you know what I mean).
         | 
         | * I now wear trail running shoes all the time - a total shift
         | from the old Birkenstock and whatever shoes I wore for years
         | before.
         | 
         | * My town has a number of fun, curious little sidewalk
         | shortcuts between neighborhoods that I did not know about. They
         | aren't secret, just not obvious at all.
        
           | BiteCode_dev wrote:
           | 5bpm is earth shattering for longevity and general health.
        
           | gandalfff wrote:
           | These are good reasons! Thank you for the motivation.
        
           | stevesearer wrote:
           | Getting to know the area you live is a great reason to start
           | walking.
           | 
           | One of my favorite things to find in Santa Barbara are old
           | concrete stamps marking which company/contractor poured that
           | section of sidewalk. Often these are 100+ years old. I've
           | currently found ~25-30 different ones.
        
           | mwint wrote:
           | > I can now run and walk in my dreams and rarely have the
           | "legs in molasses" thing
           | 
           | I know exactly what you mean. That's fascinating that it went
           | away with more walking; maybe the brain is now better able to
           | "simulate" walking?
        
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