[HN Gopher] Science of Fasting
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       Science of Fasting
        
       Author : sumanmd
       Score  : 31 points
       Date   : 2022-05-04 20:00 UTC (2 hours ago)
        
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       | c54 wrote:
       | I've been long exposed to the standard tech-circles common
       | knowledge about intermittent fasting (IF), the benefits of
       | fasting, basic gym science about calorie restriction, and so on.
       | I thought a lot of this stuff was pretty well confirmed by
       | science as well as various fasting-oriented traditions around the
       | world. Fast one day a week, live longer. Work IF into your eating
       | schedule, increase your productivity and give your body time to
       | 'clean up' your system.
       | 
       | But I was surprised to recently realize how novel a lot of
       | fasting research is, and how unconfirmed a lot of the benefits
       | are. Even the wikipedia page for fasting doesn't have as much as
       | I'd really like to see. It's nice to see posts like this one, but
       | even this doubles down on "there are studies in progress" without
       | any convincing _completed_ studies.
       | 
       | Review studies such as this[0] one basically confirm in so many
       | words that "additional trials are needed" and while IF can help
       | you lose weight "whether IF itself affects cancer-related
       | metabolic and molecular pathways remains unanswered"
       | 
       | It's curiously similar to woo-woo or religious habits and self-
       | help advice: similar in being fringe from the perspective of
       | scientific medicine. But the same groups who I'd expect to be
       | pro-science (for example more likely to get vaccinated) are often
       | mixed up in fasting stuff which isn't (yet) confirmed.
       | 
       | I suppose it's not _too_ unheard of to see tech circles overlap
       | with fringe medicine. Check out r /nootropics for instance. Now,
       | I've experimented with nootropics and various supplements. I
       | don't use the term 'fringe' as a haughty outsider. I'm quite
       | willing to consider that it's "not yet confirmed" protoscience,
       | and that this is different from falsified or counter-indicated
       | "remedies" and bits of fringe medicine, things like homeopathy.
       | But it's curious nonetheless.
       | 
       | [0]
       | https://acsjournals.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.3322/caac...
        
       | sumanmd wrote:
       | My detailed write up on fasting/caloric restriction and necessary
       | adjustments we need to emphasize in our current daily dietary
       | regimen and this possibly helps keep the metabolic and other
       | diseases at bay, especially in at risk populations(south Asian).
        
       | mensetmanusman wrote:
       | Black coffee and water from 5 am to 6 pm, eat from 6-9 pm works
       | for me.
       | 
       | Meals definitely taste better after that window :)
       | 
       | I find I sometimes have like two dinners at 6 and 8 which is
       | interesting...
        
         | jjtheblunt wrote:
         | Do you not burn up your stomach from the acidity of that diet?
        
           | jstx1 wrote:
           | Do you mean because of the coffee? I drink several cups of
           | strong black coffee on an empty stomach every day and I've
           | never had any problems whatsoever.
        
             | jjtheblunt wrote:
             | That's awesome, and, yes, that's what i wondered;
             | personally i couldn't, presumably different from person to
             | person.
             | 
             | Thanks.
        
               | Melatonic wrote:
               | It varies a ton per person - I know that I often, for
               | example, end up with the opposite of acid reflux
               | (essentially my stomach is too basic). I would have
               | similar symptoms and take an antacid and it would make it
               | immediately WORSE.
               | 
               | Not sure if this is why but I am also one of those people
               | that can eat super acidic foods all day no problem - I
               | can drink black coffee and follow that up with a bunch of
               | citrus and feel great.
        
         | Dig1t wrote:
         | Very interesting, do you know the total calories you generally
         | eat during that window?
        
         | motohagiography wrote:
         | Am on same one meal a day scheme (espressos in morning, nothing
         | but dinner) for a year and love it. However, it's literally
         | just replacing 2/3 meals out of my day with multiple servings
         | of a highly addictive stimulant. Obviously I'm fine, but I am
         | sure our descendents will look back on coffee as some kind of
         | traditional folk-meth.
        
         | siavosh wrote:
         | I did this for two years, lost a fair bit of weight. But the
         | gorging at dinner time really messed up my cholesterol levels.
         | So just an advice that one's weight isn't the only metric of
         | health, if you do any diet change consult your doctor, and
         | confirm health across multiple dimensions (blood tests etc).
         | 
         | Today, I do a heart healthy diet, and _try_ to fast from
         | 8PM-12PM (eat between 12PM-8PM). This helps me not eat /snack
         | unhealthily in a condensed period of time.
        
           | kmeraz wrote:
           | Curious, what was it about gorging at dinner time that messed
           | up your cholesterol levels? Was it because you'd gorge on
           | foods high in cholesterol, or was there another mechanism at
           | play?
        
       | hobo_mark wrote:
       | After eating only dinner for years, a month ago I found myself
       | eating every other day (except for two pieces of fruit in the
       | afternoon) and I feel even better since then? Where is the limit?
        
         | melissalobos wrote:
         | > Where is the limit?
         | 
         | You lose roughly ~0.75 lbs of body fat at normal fasting levels
         | assuming a reasonably active regular sized person. So how ever
         | many days worth of body fat you would like to gain and lose
         | regularly. You would have to eat back the same amount and
         | probably wouldn't want to gorge yourself too much. A reasonable
         | practical limit might be 5 days.
         | 
         | All of that assumes that you want to maintain a set weight. So
         | the real limit is how much you want to eat in a single sitting.
         | Take those calories and average them across as many days as
         | needed to maintain weight.
        
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