[HN Gopher] Apple's Director of Machine Learning Resigns Due to ...
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Apple's Director of Machine Learning Resigns Due to Return to
Office Work
Author : carlycue
Score : 267 points
Date : 2022-05-07 20:33 UTC (2 hours ago)
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| NKosmatos wrote:
| Good for him and good for all the others that are able to do this
| (resign and find a new full remote job). For the rest of us it's
| going to be a struggle to persuade our companies that WFH is well
| suited for a percentage of the workforce and they should offer it
| if they want to keep good/skilled workers. WFH is not for
| everybody and there are many people that want to return to
| offices, but the companies that realize that can offer both will
| come out of this better staffed ;-)
| paul7986 wrote:
| I'm so happy to work for a company who tried to do hybrid and
| when no one showed up (no way i was going back its a 50 mile one
| way drive) beginning of April they just said we are now a remote
| company.
|
| Apple, Google, etc are going to learn quickly and change to all
| remote soon too I bet. Weighing their prestige vs. the improved
| quality of life remote brings to most workers can not compete.
| Especially with company's like Air BnB which pays same very high
| salaries who says work anywhere in the world.
|
| Overall a raise of 50 to 100k in salary would not get me back
| into any office and I live alone in a small town in south central
| PA. The pandemic forced me to find a new social life with new
| friends that Im equally enjoying as I did with friends I had at
| work (they are still around some socially but the connection isnt
| as strong).
| [deleted]
| saddist0 wrote:
| I don't get the fuss about such posts. At the end of the day, it
| boils down to your personal choices. You love to remote work,
| find a job with a flexible work policy. You don't, well, here are
| another companies you would love to work for.
|
| Ultimately, markets (including job market) is all about
| equilibrium. Either companies are going to increase the salary to
| come back [or reduce if you are staying back at home].
|
| The thing which matters the most is picking up the best option
| for yourself. [and don't _always_ wait for your company to catch
| up]
| sys_64738 wrote:
| It's because he is so high profile and a visionary in his field
| at Apple. Or was. He is merely an early big fish swimming away
| so expect more as draconian old-school companies try to drag
| employees back to their cubes.
| ripper1138 wrote:
| He's absolutely not a visionary.
| lajamerr wrote:
| I assume Ian wants to get back into research/publishing papers as
| well, he hasn't published any good papers in a while. He probably
| wanted the industry experience/research of machine learning in
| commercial applications with the scale and support of Apple
| behind it. When Apple designs things they design it with a fixed
| narrow purpose. Where as with Google you build general solutions.
| I think he wanted the experience of both. This return to office
| probably just gives him a good out after he accomplished what he
| wanted to do at Apple.
| bluepoint wrote:
| maybe he did figure out how to fully automate his job.
| funstuff007 wrote:
| Yep, it would be amazing if he were simultaneously working 3
| other ML jobs at 7 figures a year and living like a pasha in
| suburban Atlanta.
| thr0wawayf00 wrote:
| Good for him.
|
| These companies touting their solutions for creating a more
| connected world can't have it both ways. Apple was able to ship
| the M1 and roll out new iterations of many other offerings since
| the pandemic hit. They're just fine.
|
| Apple didn't collapse since the pandemic hit, and the flexibility
| offered by remote work is far more valuable to lots of people
| than the loss of in-person collaboration opportunities. We
| deserve to have input into how we work best and if that means
| walking away from companies run by egomaniacs that need to see
| butts in seats, then so be it.
| qbasic_forever wrote:
| > We deserve to have input into how we work best and if that
| means walking away from companies run by egomaniacs that need
| to see butts in seats, then so be it.
|
| The logical conclusion of this line of thinking is to organize
| your coworkers. You have much more bargaining power about your
| work conditions as an organized union. The history of
| unionization stems primarily from workers demanding safe
| working environments.
| caenorst wrote:
| Or just to do what he did. Ian Goodfellow and probably all
| his team will have no problem finding another job in the
| condition they want. Apple don't have any monopole on AI
| jobs.
| mgraczyk wrote:
| Until you want something different from those who wield power
| in the union. At least I can quit my job and work for a
| different company. In heavily unionized industries, you can't
| escape.
| tomohawk wrote:
| Having seen how several family members fared in union jobs
| (several different unions), I swore I'd never belong to a
| union or work any job that required me to be part of one.
|
| They all had such an adversarial relationship with work. It's
| always us against them mentality. They could never see anyone
| in management as a human. I can't imagine living like that.
|
| As far as I can tell, the unions didn't ever solve any of
| their biggest gripes, took money out of their paychecks for
| lots of non-work related political activities, and didn't
| come through when they really needed to on things like
| pensions or healthcare.
| annexrichmond wrote:
| I have the same feeling having seen family members in
| unions. My mother is a really hard worker, and plays by the
| rules, and that means nothing in her union while her
| colleagues abuse sick policies, push more work into her and
| so on. All what matters there is tenure, not the quality of
| employee you are. My takeaway is that she would be far more
| successful in a non unionized workplace because hers was
| definitely more beneficial for slackers.
| prirun wrote:
| > You have much more bargaining power about your work
| conditions as an organized union.
|
| You also give away your power as an individual to those
| running the union.
| lozenge wrote:
| Your biggest power, the option of resigning to work
| somewhere else, is still with you. You just get backup from
| the union for when you don't want to exercise that power.
| in_cahoots wrote:
| What power do you have as an individual in a company? Other
| than quitting, your leverage is extremely limited.
| hiddencost wrote:
| I'll refrain from ruder responses and point to the weekend
| as a lovely innovation powered by unions.
|
| How did you get so intensely in thrall of the people
| holding your collar?
| GoodJokes wrote:
| williamsmj wrote:
| I agree with everything you say, but Goodfellow was a
| manager. Managers can't join unions in the United States.
| jjj123 wrote:
| What do you mean by that? My manager at my last job was in
| a union. There was, however, a separate union for managers
| and one for ICs.
| williamsmj wrote:
| The NLRA says "Nothing herein shall prohibit any
| individual employed as a supervisor from becoming or
| remaining a member of a labor organization, but no
| employer subject to this Act [subchapter] shall be
| compelled to deem individuals defined herein as
| supervisors as employees for the purpose of any law,
| either national or local, relating to collective
| bargaining."
|
| ...which effectively states that if a supervisor joins a
| union it's a no-op. The employer is not required to
| acknowledge their membership. In practice, unions
| specifically exclude managers for a bunch of obvious
| reasons related to their ability to bargain effectively
| on behalf of their members.
|
| Your manager likely joined a union-ish entity open to
| supervisors. IIUC such entities are not protected by the
| NLRA and as such have few of the legal powers and
| protections that make a union a union. They're basically
| affinity groups.
| reaperducer wrote:
| His experience is no unique. Back in high school, my
| first job was at a supermarket. The union shopsteward was
| the assistant manager.
| cmeacham98 wrote:
| This means that manager unions do not gain the
| traditional protections from the law that other unions
| do. But - if a manager union and employer come to some
| agreement despite this fact, it has legal weight and the
| union can sue if the employer breaks the contract (and
| vice versa).
|
| Managers, at least at the higher level like being
| discussed here, arguably do not need as many protections
| in order to be able to collectively bargain: Apple is
| likely to be much more concerned (and thus much more
| willing to negotiate) about 20 "Director of X" employees
| leaving than 20 engineers.
| sabellito wrote:
| I have a strong dislike for remote work and will only work at
| companies with offices where people are expected to go to the
| vast majority of days.
|
| I absolutely understand that it's the opposite for some people.
| holografix wrote:
| Same here. I currently work at a very prestigious tech
| company and I'm surprised by how _boring_ it actually is.
|
| There's hardly anyone around in the office and frankly I
| couldn't care less about the free stuff. They pay me enough
| that I can go out and buy my own snacks.
|
| What I want is a _team_ to learn from and grow. Not some
| teachers pets that sit behind zoom calls making sure they
| know exactly what's "on the test" so they make themselves
| look better.
|
| I'll never work somewhere 100% remote or where employees
| don't have an expectation of at least 3 days in the office.
|
| Mind you, being able to spend a day a week at home vs full
| week in the office is quite nice.
| praxulus wrote:
| Some people prefer remote teams, some people prefer in-person
| teams.
|
| I don't know anyone who likes hybrid teams though.
|
| Eventually I suspect we'll end up with a mix of remote and
| in-person employers, and workers who have a strong preference
| one way or another will just have to filter potential
| employers accordingly. There _might_ be a way for larger
| businesses to have certain teams work remotely while others
| go into the office, but I suspect it would be difficult to
| manage.
| zmgsabst wrote:
| I feel the same.
|
| I _like_ working from an office and I _like_ informal
| interactions with colleagues -- from chatting over coffee to
| peeking around and seeing who is free to whiteboard a
| problem.
| ytdytvhxgydvhh wrote:
| Same here. Except I also hate wasting time on commuting,
| not having the flexibility to take care of a home-related
| task in the middle of the day, etc. So the experiment to
| find a balance has begun...
| skunkworker wrote:
| Quite a big loss for Apple. Ian was the primary author of the
| 2014 GAN paper.
|
| https://arxiv.org/abs/1406.2661
| supernova87a wrote:
| I can tell you from direct experience that he is no big loss
| for Apple. And he wasn't "Apple's Director of ML" as in the
| headline makes it sound like the top company lead for this
| topic. He was _a_ director, among many. A reasonably sized
| group leader, not say, a JG.
| sidibe wrote:
| Likewise when he left Google for Apple the media painted him
| as the director of Google AI
| daniel-thompson wrote:
| Can you elaborate on this.
| supernova87a wrote:
| Let's just say that is it correct that he is still known
| for his 2014 GAN work.
| daenz wrote:
| It must be difficult to repeat the success of a once-in-
| a-lifetime finding.
| mumblemumble wrote:
| I didn't take it to mean that, exactly. GANs are a very
| impressive trick. But their social cachet is not, as far
| as I'm aware, in proportion to people's success at using
| them for practical applications that generate revenue. So
| the implication might be, "Don't expect a brain drain in
| Apple's GAN department to have a significant impact on
| their business fortunes."
| humanistbot wrote:
| "Director of Machine Learning" is different than "A
| director of a machine learning project." "Director of
| Machine Learning" kind of implies that he oversaw a lot of
| machine learning projects across the company. Being "a
| director of a machine learning project" means you run a
| team. Big difference.
| cardy31 wrote:
| I assume he just thinks Siri sucks?
| jackblemming wrote:
| GANs were just low hanging fruit that Schmidhuber already
| found. By most accounts Ian Goodfellow is kind of an
| asshole, and there was some drama about him a few times
| over the years. I don't know the man, that's just what I've
| heard.
| anothernewdude wrote:
| So he was a good culture fit for apple then?
| tasubotadas wrote:
| Is there anything that schmidhuber hasn't done before
| everyone else?
| tchalla wrote:
| Remote work.
| iXce wrote:
| I guess citations do not directly translate into products?
| nathanvanfleet wrote:
| The implication I thought was that his credits might have
| ended in 2014
| machinekob wrote:
| Good researcher != good director/team leader.
| ineedasername wrote:
| I'm trying to hire for a position right now and it has dragged on
| for months for two reasons:
|
| 1) WFH is now limited to 1 day per week, and a 3 month
| probationary period where new hires don't even get that.
|
| 2) Salary. It's still a job seeker's market and my workplace is
| not keeping pace. It's spec'ed for 3 years of experience but
| salary is about the median for a _new graduate_ w /o professional
| experience. I'm happy to train someone but if I rework the job
| class to allow for new grads then HR will lower the starting
| salary. So, I'm hoping to find someone who's a new grad but had a
| part time job or internship or any other non-coursework
| experience the could be even the least bit argued as adding up to
| the required experience. (the position is basically a data
| wrangler / sql jockey / light analysis position, but it directly
| supports the main revenue-generating operations of the
| organization so there is real $$$ lost by having this position
| empty. ::Grrrrr:: end rant.)
| wanderingmind wrote:
| What you need is a new job where they don't treat your skill as
| a cost center
| slowbdotro wrote:
| Duplicate: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31297680
| dijit wrote:
| Nothing really substantial in the comment section there it
| seems.
| mkr-hn wrote:
| It's normal for multiple threads to occur until one takes over
| or a mod intervenes to merge or elevate one.
| minimaxir wrote:
| Technically the HN rule is "original source" which the tweet
| in the linked submission is.
|
| However HN's rules about tweet submissions are inconsistent
| and outdated.
| [deleted]
| trhway wrote:
| >a little over four years
|
| Full vest. Time to go.
|
| I've had WFH people around for more than 20 years at all the
| places I worked over that time. Mostly they were doing their job,
| yet there were always limits felt to what they can do and how
| much they can do.
| ghaff wrote:
| Pretty much everyone who has them is at least considering--even
| relatively modest--vesting schedules when they make moves.
| [deleted]
| [deleted]
| trhway wrote:
| That is exactly my point. The RTO is just accidentally here
| and just makes for better sounding reason.
| visarga wrote:
| Today he is https://twitter.com/badfellow_ian
| changoplatanero wrote:
| As far as I know, apple hasn't ever announced what he was working
| on
| AviationAtom wrote:
| I'm not sure remote work is for me, but if justice can be done to
| a position with little, or no, in-office time... then why force
| employees into the office?
|
| Money can be saved on all the accomodations necessary for office
| workers, so it would seem like a win-win if remote work
| arrangements are viable for a position.
| thr0wawayf00 wrote:
| Here's to the crazy ones, the misfits, the rebels, the
| troublemakers, the round pegs in the square holes... the ones who
| see things differently -- they're not fond of rules... You can
| quote them, disagree with them, glorify or vilify them, but the
| only thing you can't do is ignore them because they change
| things... they push the human race forward, and while some may
| see them as the crazy ones, we see genius, because the ones who
| are crazy enough to think that they can change the world, are the
| ones who do...
|
| ...as long as it's done from the office.
| CamperBob2 wrote:
| "Also, be careful with that hammer, you might trip and fall and
| break the screen."
|
| Not the same company anymore... not even close.
| zasdffaa wrote:
| I'm one of those misfits/troublemakers/etc. I've done my life
| mostly on my terms, and I've had it really tough. Conformists
| generally get it much easier. I'm all for more independent
| thought and fuck-you-ness but never forget that for most people
| that comes at a high price, so take off the rose-tinted specs.
| nvrspyx wrote:
| That was a direct quote from Steve Jobs, except the last bit
| at the bottom. The whole point of the comment, I think, is
| how this goes against the old Apple ethos of encouraging non-
| conformity (to an extent).
| hn_version_0023 wrote:
| Is that a quote from Jobs, or ad copy, or both?
| notpachet wrote:
| It was ad copy, written by Rob Siltanen for that
| campaign[1].
|
| [1]
| https://www.forbes.com/sites/onmarketing/2011/12/14/the-
| real...
| throwawayboise wrote:
| Yep, I was just about to comment that this kind of decision
| is a lot easier to make when you have the fuck-you money that
| Goodfellow doubtless has.
| smugma wrote:
| I wouldn't say he has FYM yet. Enough to maybe FIRE but
| more than cash, he's in a position where almost any tech or
| related company would hire him, pay him a ton, and let him
| work on what he wants to do. Essentially, tenure at a
| university but paid 10X as much.
| hn_throwaway_99 wrote:
| I certainly don't have "fuck you money", but these days I
| think _most_ competent tech workers can easily get jobs
| elsewhere, so I don 't think it's a big, risky move to quit
| your job.
| hooande wrote:
| here's to you, good luck in your journey. make it worth it
|
| "If you're going to try, go all the way. Otherwise, don't
| even start. This could mean losing girlfriends, wives,
| relatives and maybe even your mind. It could mean not eating
| for three or four days. It could mean freezing on a park
| bench. It could mean jail. It could mean derision. It could
| mean mockery--isolation. Isolation is the gift. All the
| others are a test of your endurance, of how much you really
| want to do it. And, you'll do it, despite rejection and the
| worst odds. And it will be better than anything else you can
| imagine. If you're going to try, go all the way. There is no
| other feeling like that. You will be alone with the gods, and
| the nights will flame with fire. You will ride life straight
| to perfect laughter. It's the only good fight there is."
|
| - Charles Bukowski
| goldenkey wrote:
| Glorious, glorious loneliness...good one. Even introverts
| know that being alone sucks. Medical studies show a
| correlation between poorer health and loneliness.
| zasdffaa wrote:
| I don't know if it's worth it. It's the way I am and I seem
| to have as much choice over it as ivy chooses growing up a
| wall.
|
| I've never been hungry by choice and I've always had a roof
| over my head, and I'm grateful for both of those things,
| but let's look at something I do know: "..could mean losing
| ... maybe even your mind"
|
| Yeah, BTDT. A lifetime of mental health problems
| culminating in a complete ... I dunno, breakdown? ... where
| I was barely able to function for 2 years and became a risk
| to others (should have been hospitalised but wasn't), and
| another 2 years recovering. 4 years of my life wasted. Any
| projected glamour of mental illness is purely done by those
| who've never had it. Mental illness is fucking shit and has
| no redeeming value.
|
| Edit: oh yes, and "Isolation is the gift" - Never is
| loneliness a gift, ever.
| Aeolun wrote:
| > and has no redeeming value
|
| Hmm, the one redeeming value of my anxiety (and the
| accompanying fear of imminent death) is that it makes it
| much easier to contemplate things I wouldn't otherwise
| contemplate.
|
| I'd still rather do without that, but I guess it's
| interesting enough I can call it redeeming?
| hn_throwaway_99 wrote:
| "Elegant, inspiring, soaring prose often makes for
| incredibly shitty real-world advice."
|
| - hn_throwaway_99
| cm2012 wrote:
| Yeah seriously, that comment is like the ultimate anti-
| advice.
| [deleted]
| jjtheblunt wrote:
| The office is where the very expensive labs are.
|
| For at least parts of Apple engineering, very expensive
| equipment and prototypes are under lockdown and too expensive
| to duplicate for WFH.
|
| (at least that's how it was during my several years there.)
| hn_throwaway_99 wrote:
| I don't think anyone (or, at least not many people) is
| arguing against working in the office _if you have a specific
| need to be there_. What people have an issue with is
| requiring a return to the office for no other reason than
| "group synergy".
| analog31 wrote:
| Ironically, "group synergy" was given as the reason for
| cramming people into the open plan offices that everybody
| was glad to get away from.
| smackeyacky wrote:
| This guy is doing machine learning though. All he needs is an
| internet connection.
|
| I understand the idea that hardware WFH is going to be a no-
| go, but software? We already had the revolutionary moment
| where the internet is everywhere.
| jjtheblunt wrote:
| That's not established without knowing if they're working
| on neural engine hardware, for example.
| imustbeevil wrote:
| We can probably infer from the fact that they've been
| remote for 2 years that it is possible to do their job
| remotely.
| whatever1 wrote:
| But why ML people have to be forced in the office ?
| jjtheblunt wrote:
| hard to say, perhaps access to future dev hardware
| accelerators (neural engines)
| passivate wrote:
| >but the only thing you can't do is ignore them because they
| change things... they push the human race forward,
|
| Honestly such people are extremely rare. The quote doesn't
| apply to the vast majority of employees at Apple. There are
| always going to be other talented people willing to take their
| spot.
| systemvoltage wrote:
| You have to wear pajamas to live by those words!
|
| Btw that quote is describing the potential _customers_ of
| Apple, not employees:
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sMBhDv4sik
| thr0wawayf00 wrote:
| > Btw that quote is describing the potential customers of
| Apple, not employees
|
| Why does that matter? Does Apple not want the most talented,
| world-changing people working on their products? If your
| marketing sounds good for customers but dumb for employees,
| particularly in knowledge-driven work, then maybe your
| marketing is just hypocritical?
| daenz wrote:
| Is that why apple store employees are called "geniuses" ?
| Austin_Conlon wrote:
| In a talk Craig Federighi gave, he said some of his most
| inventive work was done remotely with his NeXT Cube in a cabin:
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43sjym5ZS68&t=677s.
| idonotknowwhy wrote:
| Good. This is a great way to tackle climate change.
| mupuff1234 wrote:
| You might agree or disagree with RTO but at least they aren't
| bending the rules for execs.
| qbasic_forever wrote:
| Unlike Google where Urs demanded his org back in person while
| he moved to New Zealand to safely work remote:
| https://www.businessinsider.com/google-exec-reportedly-worki...
| jeffbee wrote:
| Just before he endorsed slavery on Twitter. "A bad look"
| doesn't even begin to describe Urs these days.
|
| https://www.businessinsider.com/google-exec-urs-holzle-
| buyin...
| tpmx wrote:
| Ugh, that is pretty damning.
| nostromo wrote:
| And it's not just Google. A recent report showed that
| corporate execs are twice as likely to still be working
| remotely compared to the rank-and-file, even as their
| companies mandate returning to the office..
|
| https://finance.yahoo.com/m/6017a433-bf69-48cc-9aa0-70034b2e.
| ..
| smugma wrote:
| That's a good point (and I think it's true), but that's not
| shown here. If _he_ wanted to work remote, they probably would
| have let him. Maybe he'd be an ICT7 rather than a Director, but
| same pay scale. His reason for quitting was he felt a more
| flexible policy would be best for _his team_. Maybe he even
| likes being in the office but wasn't willing to have to tow the
| party line for a policy with which he didn't agree.
| fortran77 wrote:
| We wish him well. People leave jobs all the time.
| TedDoesntTalk wrote:
| Do they leave them all the time because of a return-to-office
| policy?
| readthenotes1 wrote:
| Probably not.
|
| I really doubt that most people would give up a job in a
| satisfying office environment with people they truly enjoy
| working with on a product/project they are excited to work on
| everyday simply because of they are told they have to go in
| and meet those people they really groove with three times a
| week.
| baq wrote:
| some people have a life outside of the office and found
| that the commute takes a very large toll on that. they
| didn't know previously, but now have two years of
| experience that they'll never forget.
| db48x wrote:
| I'd be willing to commute about a mile to gain all of those
| things.
| BigBubbleButt wrote:
| It seems to be pretty common today, yeah. I'd say it's
| probably the most important thing for everyone I know, even
| moreso than compensation lately.
| ryanSrich wrote:
| Good. There needs to be more of this. Forced commute is a
| horrendous work-lifestyle to maintain.
| subpixel wrote:
| I told Apple I wasn't interested in interviewing for a non-remote
| role based on their NYC office.
|
| I'm not an engineer who can work anywhere I want. And I'm
| confident that working at Apple would have an incredible positive
| effect on my career.
|
| Still not worth it. I'd rather find a local job outside of tech
| than get back on the office space hamster wheel.
| mmmmkay wrote:
| I recently left Amazon for a fully remote position and that was
| my sole decision making factor.
| axg11 wrote:
| I am working for Amazon, fully from home. Zero expectation to
| ever step into the office. Each organization within Amazon is
| taking a different approach, leading to a lot of variability.
| Throwing this information out there in case anyone is put off
| by assuming that Amazon is demanding a return to office.
| faizshah wrote:
| I can vouch for this as I am the only east coast employee on
| my west coast team at AWS and I also have no expectation of
| moving to west coast or returning to office. I have spoken to
| managers on other teams around Amazon and flexibility is
| entirely dependent on your director/VP (the manager 1-2
| levels above your group manager).
|
| If you're considering an offer from Amazon I suggest you make
| it very clear from the start to your hiring manager your
| expectations on remote work and working hours. Theres some
| teams at Amazon that are taking a strong return to office
| stance and others like mine that allow for fully remote.
| ripper1138 wrote:
| Good luck
| bonestamp2 wrote:
| Amazon recently recruited me for a job, a job that I already do
| remotely for a different company, and I turned it down for the
| same reason. The job at amazon paid way more, but I'm far more
| productive and happier at home.
|
| I see other jobs at amazon that are remote, but this particular
| department worked with hardware that they weren't interested in
| leaving the office. Again, I've worked remotely with similar
| hardware from the company that pioneered this type of hardware
| and have done so since 2008. We figured out security, remote
| testing, local development, software simulations, etc. and
| haven't had a single leak, hack, etc.
| dimtion wrote:
| Amazon WFH policy is still flexible though. For example, in my
| team the current policy is to work wherever we feel the most
| productive and happiest.
|
| You could have potentially moved within the company if that was
| only decision factor.
| quadrifoliate wrote:
| From what I hear, policy _in general_ is wildly inconsistent
| within Amazon. I have heard all sort of stories from people
| at Amazon ranging from "world's best boss" to "horrific and
| Dilbertesque".
| alistairSH wrote:
| Maybe? I recently interviewed and nobody could tell me what
| the policy would be in a few months.
|
| "It's WFH today, but that'll probably change. And you can
| always take our bus from your local AWS office to the office
| where the rest of the team may or may not be because we don't
| know what our policy will be."
|
| I'd expect a company of Amazon's size and stature to have a
| better plan than "whatever your VP wants this week."
| humanistbot wrote:
| Is there anything HNers feel more passionately about than remote
| work?
| willis936 wrote:
| Energy market speculation.
| baq wrote:
| the morning commute
| notpachet wrote:
| The shambling idiocy of web3.
| paulcole wrote:
| A couple contenders off the top of my head:
|
| 1. Defending pseudoscience (as long as it's related to
| nutrition and exercise)
|
| 2. Disgust with "marketing people" and anyone with an MBA
|
| 3. Hating "woke" culture
|
| 4. Justifying piracy
| mattkevan wrote:
| 5. Decrying any attempt at not just stuffing every feature on
| the screen as dumbing down and wasting space.
|
| 6. The general decline of macOS with every new release. It'll
| be locked down and turned into iOS any day now, just you
| wait.
| awinter-py wrote:
| even pre-pan, johny srouji wouldn't let the silicon team move
| into the open plan UFO and built them a trailer or something in
| the parking lot
|
| (per this https://www.macrumors.com/2017/08/09/apple-park-
| employees-op...)
|
| guessing goodfellow has specific reasons for this move (like
| everyone), but feels increasingly like wfh has exposed gaps in
| our ability to manage or even measure the productivity of
| knowledge workers
| wtallis wrote:
| How do you get from:
|
| > _And they built his team their own building, off to the side
| on the campus ..._
|
| in the article to:
|
| > _and built them a trailer or something in the parking lot_
|
| in your comment?
| briandear wrote:
| I left Apple for the same reason. Director level folks get the
| headlines, but there are a lot of lower level folks doing the
| same thing.
| passivate wrote:
| How many is a lot?
| beefman wrote:
| Two years ago, articles and comments here were flagged and
| downvoted for suggesting that WFH might become permanent.
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