[HN Gopher] Yep, I created the new Avatar font
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Yep, I created the new Avatar font
Author : krustyburger
Score : 401 points
Date : 2022-05-09 16:39 UTC (6 hours ago)
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| behnamoh wrote:
| I have the same feeling about Calibri. When someone just picks
| whatever font came with MS Word/PowerPoint, it just makes me
| judge all the other decisions that they made in the project.
|
| Maybe it's just me, but it genuinely disgusts me to see Calibri
| because it's not crispt and has some of the worst curvatures I've
| seen on a font.
| derbOac wrote:
| Calibri has a reasonably large character set and is relatively
| "compact" in terms of optical size/metric. Not trying to say
| it's the best typeface for any given application but if you
| want something metric compatible, with a large character set,
| your options are somewhat limited (or have been until
| relatively recently). Many typefaces that are functionally
| similar in character representation, etc. are more open and
| take up more space.
| alx__ wrote:
| It's the default typeface for Office products since the 2007
| release. So they just didn't pick anything better
| Bellyache5 wrote:
| Calibri was part of a family of "C" fonts released together
| as the ClearType Font Collection.
|
| - https://docs.microsoft.com/en-
| us/typography/cleartype/clear-...
|
| - https://typographica.org/on-typography/microsofts-
| cleartype-...
| behnamoh wrote:
| I heard it's going to change in the next release (or maybe it
| did already).
| BugsJustFindMe wrote:
| > _Maybe it 's just me, but it genuinely disgusts me_
|
| Feeling "genuine disgust" over a font choice sounds horrible. I
| hope you manage to find peace for yourself. Maybe mindfulness
| meditation could help?
| imwillofficial wrote:
| This led to a cool question, what objectively little,
| unimportant thing can get you bent out of shape?
|
| Hearing people chew their food.
| everyone wrote:
| As long as you dont object to people chewing with their
| mouths open, and instead put in ear-plugs or goto another
| room or something. It's _a scientific fact_ that tastebuds
| are more effective in the presence of air, (half of the
| culinary arts is about getting more air into food)
|
| If you complain about people chewing with their mouths open
| then you are attempting to objectively reduce their
| enjoyment of their meal because of your weird personal
| irrational ism.
| kid64 wrote:
| Yes, it's called living in a society
| thfuran wrote:
| But the question was about little things, not utter
| travesties.
| icambron wrote:
| For me it's someone opens a jar or other food container
| with a seal -- like the little layer of plastic of foil
| between the lid and the food -- and instead of removing the
| seal completely, they just peel it back enough to get at
| the food. When they're done the put the cap back on,
| leaving the next person to deal with the flap of seal
| clinging uselessly to the top of the container. This drives
| utterly bonkers, grossly out of proportion with the two
| seconds it requires for me to finish the job. Fortunately,
| I am well aware this is a me problem, not a them problem.
| imwillofficial wrote:
| What type of criminal leaves the seal attached?!
| everyone wrote:
| But if the seal is laid back down it can act as an
| additional barrier to air, potentially making the food
| last longer.
| icambron wrote:
| That's my wife's argument. But I don't believe it has any
| effect at all.
| webmaven wrote:
| _> But if the seal is laid back down it can act as an
| additional barrier to air, potentially making the food
| last longer._
|
| More than likely, you've touched the inside of the seal,
| and by laying it back down you've made accidental
| contamination of the jar's contents very easy.
|
| You might as well double dip (which is my pet peeve,
| along with variations like reusing the knife you're
| spreading mayo with to get more mayo out of the jar).
| tenebrisalietum wrote:
| It's embarrassingly hard for me to not go on a rant when
| people use the same term to refer to assembling and
| compiling, and try to equate a compiler with an assembler.
| caslon wrote:
| Typography is a literal profession. Like, one that's older
| than computing. It's a serious art form. What you're saying
| is akin to saying feeling disgust at awful programs is bad.
| BugsJustFindMe wrote:
| Professional artists will be the first to tell you that
| there's no such thing as good or bad art. There's only art
| that you like right here and right now, art that moves you
| today but not tomorrow, that speaks to you but not your
| neighbor. It's why we can keep making more without ever
| running out.
| mahoho wrote:
| You should hear what Pat Metheny had to say about Kenny
| G!
|
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-mjt1ypiF8
| caslon wrote:
| You're speaking for "professional artists" like it's a
| monolithic class. There are many of them that claim "Art
| is subjective!" is pseudointellectual.
| behnamoh wrote:
| I know... I'm trying to be more accepting and not get
| irritated by such things. It may sound silly to get annoyed
| by a font, but the perfectionist inside of me just can't
| accept picking the most available font. I actually spend a
| lot of time choosing/researching fonts for my slides and
| documents.
| yupper32 wrote:
| > I actually spend a lot of time choosing/researching fonts
| for my slides and documents.
|
| A massive waste of time.
| na85 wrote:
| >the perfectionist inside of me
|
| >Maybe it's just me, but it genuinely disgusts me to see
| Calibri because it's not crispt and has some of the worst
| curvatures I've seen on a font.
|
| >crispt
|
| As a perfectionist who admits to getting wrapped around the
| axle about inconsequential things like font choices, do
| typos make you similarly upset?
| motoxpro wrote:
| Maybe it's because I just watched all of those SNL skits
| but this cracked me up. Hopefully GP was being satirical.
| behnamoh wrote:
| Depends on the context. In a book, yes. On the internet,
| not that much.
| [deleted]
| BugsJustFindMe wrote:
| > _but the perfectionist inside of me just can 't accept
| picking the most available font_
|
| This strikes me as significant misattribution. There's
| nothing imperfect about picking a default font because
| there's no such thing as perfection in design, only
| individual preferences which change from person to person,
| context to context, and year to year.
| everyone wrote:
| BugsJustFindMe wrote:
| > _Please just insult OP like a normal person._
|
| I find that my own life is better when I don't normalize
| insulting others.
| 10amxn10 wrote:
| [deleted]
| dang wrote:
| Please don't cross into personal attack, no matter how
| strongly someone feels about a font.
|
| https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
| deanCommie wrote:
| Interesting - I feel that way about Times new Roman, and Tahoma
| (the previous 2 default Word fonts), but I find Calibri quite
| pleasant!
|
| Out of curiousity, what are sensible basic fonts for
| _documents_ that you would recommend instead? (Something meant
| to be read for 1-6 pages of content, not presented in
| powerpoint slides)
| behnamoh wrote:
| Intersting - I used to feel that way about Times New Roman
| too, but gradually grown to like it for its compatcness.
|
| I tyically use LateX fonts for formal documents:
|
| https://medium.com/@parttimeben/how-to-make-word-
| documents-l...
|
| For less formal documents, I tent to use
| Helvetica/Inter/Calisto MT/Constantia and a bunch of others
| that I collected over the years.
| EricHolden12 wrote:
| ChrisArchitect wrote:
| (2020)
| dmitriid wrote:
| Given all the care that went into Avatar: the languages, the
| culture, the visuals, it's absolutely baffling how careless
| Cameron was about two things:
|
| - the font
|
| - and, most importantly, the music:
|
| Creating the Music of the Na'vi in James Cameron's Avatar: An
| Ethnomusicologist's Role,
| https://ethnomusicologyreview.ucla.edu/journal/volume/17/pie...
| from one of the people who tried to create a truly unique music
| for Avatar. And then simply rejected by Cameron.
|
| Why Avatar has the Most Ironic Soundtrack of All Time by
| Sideways, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tL5sX8VmvB8
| certifiedloud wrote:
| And the story.
| froh wrote:
| As I had to search for the SNL avatar papyrus thing here it is:
|
| https://youtu.be/jVhlJNJopOQ
| status200 wrote:
| It is also embedded in the article.
| inasio wrote:
| Doesn't play outside the USA (at least not Canada)
| froh wrote:
| Yup. The one in the article at least. Does the YouTube one
| play in Canada? It works in Germany.
| Extropy_ wrote:
| YouTube one's fine in Canada. NBC doesn't work outside
| the US, I think.
| danrocks wrote:
| You are doing God's work. This to me is one of the funniest SNL
| sketches ever.
| jeppesen-io wrote:
| One of my favorite shorts from SNL
| dandigangi wrote:
| Heh, got scared it was going to be Papyrus
| yumraj wrote:
| The Papyrus skit is funny, but am unclear is there an issue with
| using Papyrus? Is Papyrus not a good font?
|
| I'm not getting it. In other words why was the skit made?
| DHPersonal wrote:
| It's an overused and often misused font, similar to how Trajan
| went from Rome-based works to being used on most dramatic and
| thriller film posters in the early 2000s.
| tadfisher wrote:
| Tribal, yet futuristic. Love it!
| lastdong wrote:
| Story is not very original, dull even, lots of cliches. True
| story, the person sitting next to me in the cinema fell asleep,
| well I almost did too. I really didn't get all the hype around
| it. After re-watching it, some scenes are nonetheless great.
|
| 3D was ok, but if I remember correctly mostly a window into the
| world and not many scenes where the elements jump out of the
| screen into the our side of the room.
|
| Released around the same time, A Christmas Carol was a great film
| in that regard - spectacular 3D experience.
|
| Edit: The font looks great, really liked the article.
| mikl wrote:
| Yeah, I think it was mostly the 3D hype (and great marketing)
| that made Avatar a success. The movie itself is more or less
| just the sci-fi version of Pocahontas.
| Tagbert wrote:
| "Dances with Space Wolves"
| majewsky wrote:
| When Films&Stuff on Youtube did a 10-years-later video on
| Avatar [1], they said that it was not just about "the 3D
| hype". It was that Avatar was the first (and maybe still
| only) movie to use 3D effectively because they emphasized
| Positive Space (creating depth through 3D to strengthen
| immersion) over Negative Space (the popping-out-of-the-screen
| effect that's more commonly used because it's way more
| noticeable, but also gets old fast because it's fundamentally
| a gimmick).
|
| I too have quickly grown tired of 3D movies and actively
| avoided them for the last 10 years, but when Avatar 2 comes
| out, I will _definitely_ see it in 3D.
|
| [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wt-kEIQcLKw
| everyone wrote:
| Those aged/distressed fonts with little nicks / chunks missing /
| broken bits, look fine until there are two or more of the same
| letter in a sentence. Then I cant help but notice that the same
| letters are aged/distressed in exactly the same way.. It seems
| like a really obvious issue that clearly undermines the effect
| they are going for.
| xoa wrote:
| Agreed, that's definitely the big glaring issue to me too.
| Normally all letters being identical is a good expected thing,
| but for an aged look it falls flat because aging doesn't
| uniformly affect every single letter across pages and books of
| course. And our brains are pretty good at doing pattern
| recognition/outline shape comparison with stuff that is side-
| by-side, so once you notice it niggles a bit. Now that I think
| about it that seems like a product which should exist, be it
| standalone or as a plug-in, where "aging" could be soft-applied
| (not talking rasterizing the text then applying filters to the
| pixels themselves) to any arbitrary string of text either with
| a certain amount of random noise or via algorithms that would
| simulate various kinds of environmental effects on
| stone/wood/papyrus/vellum/paper. It's almost certainly not
| worth having that kind of complexity in fonts/typesetting
| engines themselves though the typegeek in me thinks it'd be
| pretty dang fun.
| capitainenemo wrote:
| I've seen a ton of fonts out there abuse ligatures
| (Chartwell, Bullshit Sans). I wonder if something like that
| could be done for pseudorandomness... use a different texture
| depending on the text on either side.
| capableweb wrote:
| You could in theory do just that, but the amount of work to
| achieve that would be staggering, automated or not.
|
| What we really need in this world is procedural/generated-
| on-the-fly fonts, where you setup how the font is suppose
| to react to X and then use that.
| colejohnson66 wrote:
| Knuth's METAFONT might help, but it never took off
| because font designers aren't mathematicians or
| programmers.
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metafont
|
| https://s3-us-
| west-2.amazonaws.com/visiblelanguage/pdf/16.1/...
| robocat wrote:
| There is also https://spectral.prototypo.io/ which was an
| unsuccessful startup
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24911784
| everyone wrote:
| I would be suprised if such a thing doesnt exist in the fancy
| programs professional movie poster making people are using
| nowadays. If not, then totally sounds like a product with a
| clear business case, customer #1 James Cameron.
| mikl wrote:
| You monster (j/k).
|
| Nice font work. I'll be greatly surprised if the Avatar sequels
| gain anything like the popularity the first movie had, but at
| least it won't be because they used Papyrus.
| Sophistifunk wrote:
| This is why movies cost so damned much and we're stuck with
| nothing but reboots, sequels, rehashes, and spinoffs, because the
| money people need a sure thing with this kind of expenditure.
| zeckalpha wrote:
| Looks like the Legend of Korra logo!
| webmaven wrote:
| The new typeface is nice, providing the required feel without
| succumbing to cliche, but now whoever is actually using it to
| typeset titles isn't doing any kerning! This makes the title look
| like it is supposed to be "Avata R" (the typographer almost
| certainly did create proper kerning in the font, but as soon as
| you start messing with different sizes and increasing the
| tracking, the kerning is going to have to be adjusted as well,
| and that wasn't done).
|
| It's like James Cameron said "Fine! I won't let my guy I had make
| the titles last time choose the font, we'll have a new font made.
| But I want the my guy to do the rest of the title work, because
| he'll still do it for just a crew jacket."
|
| https://www.creativebloq.com/news/avatar-way-of-water-logo
|
| Anyway, I quite appreciate the WIP sketches, it makes it plain
| what the influences are: the bones of the letters are somewhat
| reminiscent of typefaces like Lithos or Penumbra, and the slight
| blobbiness of terminals and serifs (which might otherwise be
| classified as either wedge or flare serifs) subtly recall both
| Papyrus and some "runic" typefaces. The "runic" influence shows
| up in some other details as well, like the 'v' of the A's
| crossbar. The rejected "too extreme" lowercase has a hint of
| Fraktur or something similar.
|
| Like Papyrus, though, this is most certainly a display font. I
| hope the designer gets to create a toned-down text version that
| will be usable for subtitles, fixing the other poor typography
| decision made in the first movie.
| jcronenberg wrote:
| Thanks, now I can't ever unsee it being "AVATA R"
| codetrotter wrote:
| I don't see it. It reads like "AVATAR" to me, even though
| this is the first time I am seeing the new logo and I read
| these comments before looking at the logo.
|
| Are we reading it differently? I see that there is some
| additional space on the top before the "R", but I think that
| when I am reading it I might be looking mainly at the bottom
| 75% of the logo, and it looks fine there so maybe that's why
| it still looks fine to me?
|
| Alternatively, having seen the first movie a couple of times
| and having seen the original logo a couple of times, maybe I
| am so used to the word "Avatar" from the original logo that
| even if I try to read the new logo as "AVATA R" I still read
| it as "AVATAR"?
|
| On the other hand, there is a company in Norway (and I think
| they are in several other countries also), called "BDO" and
| even though I know about their company from having heard
| about it several times and having even attended a couple of
| business presentations that they have held, I consistently
| misread their logo as "LBDO". You can see their logo on the
| Norwegian website, it has the letters "BDO" on it in blue,
| with an L-looking shape in red immediately in front of the
| letters; https://www.bdo.no/nb-no/home-no . So it seems that
| familiarity is not always enough to read a logo the way that
| it was intended to be read.
| jacobolus wrote:
| The subtitles in Avatar were much worse than the title or
| poster.
| OtomotO wrote:
| amelius wrote:
| Anyone else having "font fatigue"? I just can't tell whether a
| font is new or not. They all look like they came from some
| standard stock library that everybody already uses.
| barkingcat wrote:
| That's not font fatigue. That means the font designers did
| their job.
|
| You're not supposed to be able to tell if a font is new or not
| (unless you work as a typographer or graphics designer)
|
| You should ask yourself: is the text legible, does it make
| reading easier? Does it add a bit of visual interest or flatten
| visual interest (ie fades into the background) depending on
| what the design calls for?
|
| Those are the important questions. As to whether a font is new
| or not, if you are a typographer, then that is your bread and
| butter. I had a friend who's a typographer and they would be
| able to point out all the ways Helvetica is different from
| Helvetica Neue (and talk about it for hours and days on end),
| for example:
|
| https://creativepro.com/helvetica-vs-neue-helvetica-same-but...
| kadomony wrote:
| Yo, fix that kerning, dawg.
| OtomotO wrote:
| Well, the story was basically Pocahontas on an alien planet.
|
| There wasn't anything original to the plot, so...
|
| Technically it was good, but I only watched it once, I see films,
| just like I read books: for the story
| TameAntelope wrote:
| I watch films for a lot of reasons that have nothing to do with
| the script, and Avatar had a _lot_ going for it that wasn 't
| written on the script when it came out, but films like that
| tend to age poorly. What's so impressive is that Avatar...
| didn't age poorly, it still looks quite good, even by our
| modern standards.
|
| I'll probably see these for the spectacle, if nothing else.
| jonny_eh wrote:
| Papyrus 2.0
|
| Looks nice!
| gitpusher wrote:
| Looks great. Although it could really use a "tt" ligature. Just
| look at the names "Scott" and "Letteri" and you'll see what I
| mean
| no-dr-onboard wrote:
| The body text font for this blog post is hard to read.
|
| I can't tell if that's ironic or not.
| gkoberger wrote:
| I imagine he's in a hard position. He makes fonts for TV shows
| / games / etc, and they tend to be silly/weird/unique. He kinda
| needs to use his own typeface for his blog, and he doesn't have
| a lot of "sane" options to choose from!
|
| (Here's the font used for the paragraphs:
| https://swelltype.com/commercial-fonts/hyperspace-race/)
| capableweb wrote:
| Sans-serif is typically not a very good fit for body texts. The
| line-height is also set too low, makes it harder to jump to the
| next line as you try to find which one it is.
| majewsky wrote:
| This is absolutely correct for books, but a blogpost is not a
| book. The most significant reason to use sans-serif for UI
| text is that screens with less DPI tend to utterly destroy
| serif fonts with small font sizes. Serif fonts just rely that
| much more on high DPI values like on a book. If you somehow
| have an audience that's exclusively on Retina displays (e.g.
| for iPad/iPhone apps), I would be less hesitant to try out a
| few serif options. But designers tend to forget that e.g. not
| all desktop users are on color-graded 5K iMacs.
| runarberg wrote:
| I'm curious where you heard that sans-serifs are not a good
| fit for body text.
|
| Sans-serifs has been a popular choice for body text on
| posters, backcovers (of books, albums, board-games etc.),
| user interfaces, instruction pamphlets, social media, blog
| pages, etc. I honestly have no idea where a recommendation
| such as this could originate from.
| contravariant wrote:
| Seems ironic to read this in a sans-serif font.
|
| The font of this article is bloody awful though, I'll agree
| with you on that.
| [deleted]
| bdlowery wrote:
| A Sans-serif font is totally fine for body copy.
| shadowofneptune wrote:
| Seems to be that kind of misuse where a typeface used for
| titles or headings is used for the body.
| ramraj07 wrote:
| The kerning in the word "often" was so bad!
| christkv wrote:
| Lol I love the following line from that sketch
|
| > He just highlighted Avatar, he clicked the drop down menu and
| then he randomly selected Papyrus. Like a thoughtless child just
| wandering by a garden yanking leaves along the way.
| behnamoh wrote:
| That's what most people do with their PowerPoint slides and
| Word documents. I can totally relate with Ryan Gosling in the
| clip.
| paxys wrote:
| "I don't even think this is Papyrus. They clearly modified it."
|
| "Whatever they did, it wasn't enough!"
| supertofu wrote:
| God bless Julio Torres. One of my favorite SNL sketches of all
| time. That and "Fischer Price Wells for Sensitive Boys" --
| another Julio Torres sketch!
| evan_ wrote:
| Check out his HBO show Los Espookys. It's really good and
| fully lives in the surreal dream logic world of those
| sketches.
| sydthrowaway wrote:
| Papyrus is the top SNL skit of all time. The next one is Grouch
| (Sesame street x Joker parody). What would be #3?
| agrover wrote:
| More cowbell.
| silisili wrote:
| There's so many I was trying to think of, but the one's that
| probably had the most staying power with the family and
| friends at the time were the Celebrity Jeopardy ones, by far.
| So many bad Sean Connery impressions for months, if not
| years. Here are a few...
|
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEghu90QJH4
|
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ch_hoYPPeGc
|
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaFSkWfFhO0
|
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=df5iwY7QUTY
| oneoff786 wrote:
| Black Jeopardy with Tom Hanks
| drewzero1 wrote:
| My favorite recently, and very close to home for me, was Home
| Repair Show with Oscar Isaac:
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ma70ghSEMys
|
| Edit: another one with lasting power in my household is Man
| Park: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XOt2Vh0T8w
| [deleted]
| atlasunshrugged wrote:
| Agreed Papyrus is top 3, I might quibble over the grouch
| because I think either the crime scene skit or the coroner
| skit might take 2 and 3
|
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xo6CyNNC60M
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjS8cA2Jfzc
| chrisweekly wrote:
| Those are both in my top 10, but IMHO "A thanksgiving
| miracle" ("Hello from the outside" Adele sendup), Cowbell,
| Taco Town, and United Way (Peyton Manning beaning that kid in
| the back with a laser pass), Kristen Wiig's Christmas
| Morning, and -- omg, best for last? -- Kate McKinnon's
| Paranormal encounters (really any of her Ms Rafferty skits)
| are all up there with Papyrus and Grouch.
|
| I'm sure there's recency bias at play, but those are the ones
| I can think of now that just HIT.
| atlasunshrugged wrote:
| I forgot about the Paranormal encounters, those were top
| notch
| robochat wrote:
| Taco Town!: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evUWersr7pc
| robochat wrote:
| Jim Carrey did a pretty good Matthew McConaughey SNL skit:
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3eN9u5N2Q4
| yboris wrote:
| Papyrus skit direct link:
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVhlJNJopOQ
| jabroni_salad wrote:
| Za (james franco) -
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkP2F7kWn7A
|
| Spelling bee (also james franco) -
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02S8t0F1inc
|
| Career Day (Adam Driver) -
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7HD2xG92-0
|
| What's that name (bill hader)
| -https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rImxuuD_kwM
| ocdtrekkie wrote:
| Both "What's That Name"s easily make up two of my top
| three, with Papyrus being the other one.
| Kaibeezy wrote:
| Maraka - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1CeEXkNBGs
| astrange wrote:
| The only good SNL skit is World Peace Rap
| (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ce3ST3wRPCI) because it's a
| parody of a YouTube video from 2006
| (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--Vaz9jW054&t=75s).
|
| There aren't any other good ones. I imagine the audience for
| SNL is entirely those people who reply to everything with
| GIFs from The Office.
| astrange wrote:
| Amendment: Stu
| (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OJ7aW3Df5U) is okay
| because it's how I learned that Eminem stopped dying his
| hair and looks like a dad now.
| CharlesW wrote:
| Haunted Elevator (ft. David S. Pumpkins):
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rS00xWnqwvI
| Snild wrote:
| So many good ones, I can't choose.
|
| Black Jeopardy with Tom Hanks --
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7VaXlMvAvk
|
| Close Encounter --
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfPdYYsEfAE
|
| Disney Housewives --
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-2fnZfK9Lg
|
| Friendos -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oPe80mdcZg
|
| GE Big Boys -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZRzJJcq6Rs
|
| Miley Cyrus and Kyle Mooney's Sex Tape --
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEqStuivoio
|
| Santa Baby -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkrpvCs-kfE
|
| The Day Beyonce Turned Black --
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ociMBfkDG1w
|
| Wells for Boys -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BONhk-hbiXk
|
| World War II 101 --
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bdf_XdDwc-o
| ImpulseGuided wrote:
| For me it's "Levi's Wokes"
|
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adPXDTvADD0
| dmitriid wrote:
| "The Midnight Coterie of Sinister Intruders" is my all-time
| #1
|
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfDIAZCwHQE
| CrazedGeek wrote:
| For me, it's definitely Meet Your Second Wife:
| https://youtu.be/MJEAGd1bQuc
| slantview wrote:
| Chris Farley's "Down by the River" skit is my #1 of all time.
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xv2VIEY9-A8
| [deleted]
| [deleted]
| Andrew_nenakhov wrote:
| Should have just used Papyrus. Now we'll never have a sequel to
| that SNL sketch.
| gkoberger wrote:
| A lot of times, the issue isn't the font... it's ubiquity and
| misuse.
|
| Comic Sans, for example, was literally for speech bubbles for a
| comic book dog.
|
| Papyrus was created by a 23 year old who was reading the Bible
| and wanted to translate the feel to a computer.
| Hamuko wrote:
| Papyrus also makes for a dogshit font for legible subtitles.
| kevinmchugh wrote:
| Comic Sans might have a better reputation if its lower-case was
| just smaller upper-case, as Dave Gibbons does.
| munificent wrote:
| The problem with Comic Sans is that it was a originally a
| pixel font designed to look good un-antialiased at a specific
| pixel size. When that was expanded to a vector font, the
| resulting proportions looked really horrific at other sizes.
|
| Like taking an old 16x16 NES Super Mario Bros sprite, scaling
| it up to 4K and expecting it to look like an attractive
| portrait of an Italian plumber.
| Kaibeezy wrote:
| Comic Papyrus - https://creativemarket.com/blog/designer-
| combines-papyrus-an...
| sporkland wrote:
| I wish they had secretly released the font and got it widely
| adopted a year or so ahead, to ensure we could get a second SNL
| skit.
| westcort wrote:
| Obligatory: "I know what you did!"
| sydthrowaway wrote:
| I love how the designer seems evil
| behnamoh wrote:
| I love the meme scene where Ryan is driving and keeps eye
| contact with the designer!
| kixiQu wrote:
| I use a "textured" font on my website
| (https://fonts.google.com/specimen/IM+Fell+English, see
| https://maya.land) and it bothers me all the time that the
| deformations repeat across letters -- like cracked stone ones
| where the cracks are the same on every "a"? Because I think
| mine's simple enough, eventually I'm going to figure out how to
| get a similar effect with an SVG filter like the "xerox" one on
| https://endtimes.dev/.
| munificent wrote:
| I hate fonts that have textural imperfections that are
| repeatedly perfectly on every instance of the same character,
| destroying the illusion.
|
| When I wrote my book "Crafting Interpreters", I hand-lettered
| every single word in every illustration separately so that it
| would be as imperfect as it appeared.
| Dangeranger wrote:
| Your hand lettering is excellent by the way. Thanks for
| taking the time to do that. It's a lost art.
|
| The only works of comparable quality I am aware of are
| classics like the Moosewood Cookbook[0] (famously completely
| hand typeset), Allen and Mikes Really Cool Backcountry Ski
| Book[1], and Anybody's Bike Book[2].
|
| Hand illustrating technical content is so much better than
| sterile diagrams, and it lends a sense of personalization,
| especially if the illustrator is also the author, which is a
| rarity.
|
| [0] https://www.baumanrarebooks.com/rare-books/katzen-
| mollie/moo...
|
| [1] https://skimo.co/allen-mikes-backcountry-ski-book
|
| [2] https://archive.org/details/anybodysbikebook00cuth
| munificent wrote:
| Don't forget the Forrest Mims electronics books that were
| in every Radio Shack back in the day.
| TameAntelope wrote:
| > I hand-lettered every single word in every illustration
| separately so that it would be as imperfect as it appeared.
|
| Good lord, I'm going to think about this every time I
| consider dedication to craft.
|
| Seriously, wow. That's impressive. I'm sorry this isn't more
| substantive of a comment, but I really wanted you to know how
| amazing that is (as you probably already do).
| munificent wrote:
| There is almost certainly a pathological component to how
| much effort I sunk into the book but once I started... I
| kinda just kept doing it.
|
| Also, lettering was sort a of a nice peaceful zen break
| from the harder work of writing prose.
| jszymborski wrote:
| You might be interested in Fredrick Brennan's TT2020 which is
| designed to explicitly address this
|
| https://ctrlcctrlv.github.io/TT2020/docs/
| ricardobeat wrote:
| Character alternates have been a feature in OpenType for a
| while. They can be triggered contextually or manually with CSS.
| Usually these and ligatures are enough to create natural-
| looking variations.
| kixiQu wrote:
| I think this is probably true to most people, and therefore
| good advice, but boy howdy do I still notice the repeats in
| e.g. "handwriting" fonts with extensive alternates -- the
| worse the quirkier the glyphs are supposed to be.
| angst_ridden wrote:
| Back in the day, I created a font called "Scribble Flinger"
| that would put smudges and stains throughout if you enabled
| the contextual alternates. I came up with several
| alternates for each glyph, and was pretty pleased with the
| result.
|
| It's a free font, and I occasionally see it used in posters
| for rock shows or other "alternate" events.
|
| But your point is right on. I only created three alternates
| per glyph, if I remember correctly, so if you were to try
| to use it for an entire page of text, it would reveal its
| tricks pretty quickly. For just a title or header, I think
| it holds up.
| Dangeranger wrote:
| Do you know fonts that feature character alternates
| prominently? I cannot think of type that I've seen used which
| used variations on characters to lead to the appearance of
| natural looking hand written text.
| gorkish wrote:
| It's possible in PostScript to dynamically modify each glyph.
| Long long ago, I saw a small collection of typewriter and
| handwriting fonts that did this. This would have been back in
| the mid 90's or so.
| NavinF wrote:
| TIL postscript has an rng in the form of the rand function.
|
| Assuming it's widely implemented, it'd be hilarious to
| distribute files that replace their contents with a 4koma
| 1% of the time.
| capitainenemo wrote:
| Is this related?
|
| https://itnext.io/typescript-and-turing-completeness-
| ba8ded8...
|
| I'd read this long ago, but my impression was that all
| the hinting stuff is auto stripped out of loaded web
| fonts for security/performance these days (maybe after
| some of those early font vulnerabilities that caused
| NoScript to block fonts), so most of us can't use it.
|
| That's why I was wondering if ligatures might be a
| reasonable hack.
| gwern wrote:
| You may not have an explicit rand(), but with the
| ligatures & substitution rules, you can add so much
| context sensitivity that no one will ever spot any
| duplications.
|
| That's how you can do things like
| https://litherum.blogspot.com/2019/03/addition-font.html
| https://pagedout.institute/download/PagedOut_002_beta2.pd
| f#p... https://aftertheflood.com/journal/the-worlds-
| first-code-free... https://www.coderelay.io/fontemon.html
| (most of these will work in a browser). I've also
| suggested that you can create 'prank fonts' which add in
| subtle typos sporadically.
|
| Less evilly, this is what calligraphy handwriting fonts
| do to get convincing variation.
| zimpenfish wrote:
| I used a handwriting font with dynamic variations ~99-00 to
| generate address labels for someone entering competitions
| because printed labels were considered somewhat "cheating".
| Wasn't entirely convincing if you looked hard but miles
| better than 50 identical Times New Romans.
| lupire wrote:
| That web page font is so harsh on my eyes, hard to read.
|
| Also, "tribal" is a weird choice of word. What is the intended
| meaning?
| andybak wrote:
| It's weird that you find it weird. The meaning seems obvious to
| me (despite being incredibly inaccurate, western-centric and
| mildly patronising)
|
| I would say it means "evocative of cultures that are
| stereotypically thought to be tribal in the colloquial sense of
| the word"
| berkeleyjunk wrote:
| I really got excited and thought this was about the other (IMHO
| better) Avatar
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avatar:_The_Last_Airbender
|
| But this font looks cool too.
| drewzero1 wrote:
| The show was great, but the live-action movie was a bit
| lackluster when it came out. I haven't rewatched recently to
| see how it aged.
| supertofu wrote:
| What live-action movie? There is no live-action movie in Ba
| Sing Se...
| pengstrom wrote:
| The live action movie is widely regarded as a cinematic and
| adaptive dumpster fire. Panned by fans, critics and audiences
| drewzero1 wrote:
| Anecdotally, my friend and I were the only people in the
| theater when we went to see it. I definitely remember some
| fundamental mechanics of bending being changed to suit the
| movie's narrative.
| lynguist wrote:
| I love that show so, so much. It was the peak on top of a
| Nickelodeon that was already peaking (Spongebob etc).
| Andrew_nenakhov wrote:
| Avatar: The Last Airbender is the best TV show ever, despite
| being targeted at children aged 9 (no, I'm not exaggerating).
| It has great character arcs, depth, humour, and it landed the
| ending perfectly. (unlike overhyped D&D chaps).
|
| My only complaint about it is that in the beginning of S1 they
| had way too many gags at Sokka's expense. Fortunately, they've
| significantly dialled it down around episode 6 or 7.
| bryanrasmussen wrote:
| I think it's basically everyone's opinion that watched both,
| which is why 10 Years Later, 'Avatar' Is the Most Popular Movie
| No One Remembers
| https://www.vice.com/en/article/bjw4bv/10-years-later-avatar...
| which obviously is not completely true, as evidenced by this
| post, but one thing I have noticed is that whenever anyone
| mentions the movie Avatar someone always comes in and says I
| got excited because I thought we were talking about the other
| one, but whenever anyone mentions the other one nobody gives a
| damn about the movie.
|
| on edit: I guess 13 years later, but who cares, it's Avatar the
| movie.
| iroh2727 wrote:
| Yeah honestly I only remember Avatar the movie because of the
| SNL Papyrus skit mentioned in this article lol. Possibly
| superior to the movie. But who knows, maybe Avatar 2 with its
| new font will be better...
|
| I mean, I do like the ideas and messages Avatar the movie was
| going for, but perhaps it was too visual for me. The
| experience of watching in theater was great/dazzling but
| nothing really stuck with me.
| schroeding wrote:
| Reminds me of this video: Can you name a character from
| Avatar? https://youtu.be/kxp1IBK1OPI?t=6
| Andrew_nenakhov wrote:
| I would have actually pass that test, I can name Colonel
| Quaritch, Jake Sully, Ripley and Eiwa (I think it counts as
| a character).
| 40four wrote:
| I've never seen 'The Last Airbender', but always heard good
| things.
|
| As far as Avatar 'The movie', the plot & storyline was
| certainly not the most original, or memorable, but I'll never
| forget watching it in 3D in the theater.
|
| Still to this day, I don't think any movie has come close to
| utilizing 3D visuals they way they did. It's was absolutely
| stunning, and added a lot to the experience!
|
| Especially for the time it came out, the 3D tech was just
| starting to become popular in theaters. I've seen many movies
| since then in 3D, and it always seems like an afterthought.
| Doesn't really change or add that much.
|
| Avatar, on the other hand, seemed to be designed from the get
| go to be a 3D movie and it shows. I will always hold it in my
| mind, as the pinnacle of 3D movies. Still waiting for someone
| to make a movie that even comes close.
| prmoustache wrote:
| The problem is it tried so hard to be a 3D movie that it was
| lacking in all other area. The movie itself was pretty boring
| with everything so predictable.
|
| Funnily nobody watches movies in 3d anymore I think? Looks
| like it was bust a fad.
| jhbadger wrote:
| It was a fad! And it wasn't the first time either. 3D films
| were all the rage in the 1950s in movies like "The Creature
| From the Black Lagoon", although they used the older "red &
| blue" filter technology. In the 1980s it was back briefly
| for films like "Metalstorm: The Destruction of Jared-Syn"
| using polarized glasses, and finally in the new millennium,
| movies like "Avatar".
| aasasd wrote:
| The Lumiere brothers attempted 3D films even before they
| properly started with 2D ones (iirc).
|
| It's hypothesized that, with old accounts of Lumieres'
| enterprise being very messy, the 2D premiere of 'The
| Arrival' was conflated with the 3D showing, and that's
| where we get the stories of the audience panicking about
| the train.
| yreg wrote:
| >The problem is it tried so hard to be a 3D movie that it
| was lacking in all other area.
|
| This is okay IMO. There is no shortage of great movies. I
| don't mind that we've got Avatar: the incredible tech demo
| with uninteresting plot instead of Avatar: a good movie.
| escape_goat wrote:
| "Alita: Battle Angel" might be a candidate. I thought the 3D
| cinematography was pretty good.
| Pxtl wrote:
| I really hope we get sequels to that. They left the ending
| nicely open in the movie, and there's a hell of a lot of
| material to draw on. Although imho the original manga kind
| of got worse over time. I've read the whole series except
| for the flashback books set on Mars, and it gets to be a
| bit of a slog and has some _very_ strange ideas.
| davidkuennen wrote:
| Rewatched the show two weeks ago for the 10th time. It's a
| masterpiece.
| Dangeranger wrote:
| That would be the following font I believe[0].
|
| https://anchorfonts.com/avatar-the-last-airbender-font/
| berkeleyjunk wrote:
| Thank you for that pointer. You made my day!
| aasasd wrote:
| > _Adrian Frutiger has designed the avatar's structure with
| average strokes._
|
| Sure sure, and storyboards were probably done by Picasso.
| brodo wrote:
| The Chapo boys make some interesting pro Avatar (the movie)
| points: https://youtu.be/s7CtTo88QOI
| imwillofficial wrote:
| That video was awesome, and this article was a great read. I
| would like a deeper dive on your choices, this is an interesting
| topic.
| evantahler wrote:
| People like this font https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVhlJNJopOQ
| oldstrangers wrote:
| I just keep calling it Papyrus Black. A definite improvement
| though.
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