[HN Gopher] Rules for Conferences (2019)
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       Rules for Conferences (2019)
        
       Author : ivanagas
       Score  : 50 points
       Date   : 2022-05-10 18:27 UTC (4 hours ago)
        
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       | andrew_ wrote:
       | One of mine, which I put into practice after attending a
       | JavaScript-focused conference in 2018: Don't attend conferences
       | that focus excessively on latest-thing social issues or identity
       | politics.
       | 
       | Conference rules/terms/bylaws that are longer than a Life
       | Insurance contract are also a personal red flag.
        
         | Spooky23 wrote:
         | That's a good policy. There was one conference where our
         | counsel started laughing at the absurd terms that would be
         | illegal for us to abide by.
        
         | version_five wrote:
         | Yes, I work in machine learning and some (many) of the
         | conferences are very scary politics-wise.
         | 
         | Personally I think it's better to focus on conferences that are
         | smaller and more niche and don't have the baggage that comes
         | with getting big and famous. Any time spent on politics is time
         | not spend on actual research discussion
        
       | the_snooze wrote:
       | >If you're presenting, leave more time for questions than you're
       | supposed to.
       | 
       | My personal corollary to that: when you're preparing a talk,
       | focus less on trying to get all your findings across and more on
       | what questions you want the audience to ask you. The least
       | interesting talks are those that are unfocused and overwhelm the
       | audience with a firehose of information. The most engaging talks
       | are those that guide the audience to ask interesting questions.
        
       | lucb1e wrote:
       | I agree with all the rest of the post but interestingly I would
       | say the exact opposite for each of the first three points.
       | 
       | > Don't attend any talk that's being recorded
       | 
       | I know myself. I've tried watching those back but it never
       | happens. At best one or two talks if I'm particularly curious
       | about one thing and there's no info about it elsewhere.
       | 
       | Which makes me think talks may just not be the best form. I guess
       | I like them for the combination of entertainment while getting
       | new info.
       | 
       | > You'll get all the same info in 10% the time by skipping
       | through the video later
       | 
       | That's the problem with video, though: it's almost impossible to
       | skim. I'd be curious if someone quizzed you on those talks after
       | watching them in real-time versus with skipping. Sure, 10% and
       | "all the same info" are both hyperboles and are not to be taken
       | literally, but managing 80% of the info in double that time (20%)
       | would surprise me.
       | 
       | > Caveat: if attending the talk will let you meet the speaker
       | (usually it won't)
       | 
       | What conferences do you go to where the speaker is locked away
       | after the talk? This confuses me. Or do you mean the line will be
       | too long anyway and there is no point trying?
        
         | mostlylurks wrote:
         | >managing 80% of the info in double that time (20%) would
         | surprise me.
         | 
         | This isn't particularly difficult. If you skip the pleasantries
         | at the start and end of a talk and use a playback rate of 4x,
         | you'll more or less get that 20% duration. 4x is quite
         | understandable (once you're used to it) given how slowly people
         | giving talks tend to talk. Though if a talk is really dense in
         | terms of content, you might have to go slower just to give your
         | brain a chance to digest the information. Most tech talks
         | aren't that dense, however.
        
         | foobarian wrote:
         | Honestly this depends on the conference, but if it's the kind
         | of thing where it's a CV filler mill you won't learn anything
         | from either the talk or reading the paper. And then there are
         | talks which are impressive because the authors did a lot of
         | work - again you don't learn anything because the solution is
         | obvious, just takes a lot of effort. In those cases I agree
         | it's better to shmooze.
        
       | buscoquadnary wrote:
       | So I'd love some advice or help I've never really seen the appeal
       | of attending conferences.
       | 
       | It seems like there is so much information presented so rapidly
       | that I end up forgetting most of it pretty quickly and am only
       | able to focus on a few things. I don't drink or really party so
       | that doesn't really do anything for me.
       | 
       | It seems that if I want to learn about something the best way for
       | me is to sit down and read about it for a while. Not to mention
       | half of it seems to be marketing drivel depending on the
       | conference.
       | 
       | So HN what am I missing? How do I make a conference useful?
        
         | version_five wrote:
         | Meeting people is a big part of it. Even if you're not very
         | social, I found attending conferences to be great for
         | understanding what people are doing _now_ , getting a feel for
         | the personalities in my field, and making connections and just
         | learning.
         | 
         | When I used to go to more academic conferences, I mostly went
         | to smaller tight-knit ones where most people knew each other. I
         | found that much more interesting than the big ones with
         | thousands of people which definitely feel more anonymous and
         | take way more work to meet people in, and end up being closer
         | to what you'd get from attending something online.
         | 
         | Tldr, try going to a ~100 person niche conference in your
         | specific field, or at least one that has tracks that emulate
         | that
        
         | bombcar wrote:
         | The key is meeting people who are interested in similar things,
         | or working on similar problems.
         | 
         | That's it - that's the entirety of it.
         | 
         | The dirty secret is conferences would be much better if they
         | simply had no sessions scheduled at all, and locked everyone in
         | the ballroom for the entire day.
        
           | Beltalowda wrote:
           | > The dirty secret is conferences would be much better if
           | they simply had no sessions scheduled at all, and locked
           | everyone in the ballroom for the entire day.
           | 
           | I've been to conferences where I simply forgot to attend any
           | talks at all, simply because I was too busy/having fun
           | chatting to people.
           | 
           | A lot of the more "professional" conferences have stands just
           | for paying sponsors though, and usually not a lot of them.
           | They tend to be a lot less lively than open source
           | conferences and the like which allow any ol' open source
           | project to set up a stand. I like stands because they're a
           | good conversation starter, and in many ways also like a
           | presentation yet a lot more informal.
           | 
           | Unfortunately all of that died with COVID in my area, and
           | hasn't really started back up since :-(
        
           | lnwlebjel wrote:
           | I've run a very small (~20) conference over the last 15 yrs
           | and this is basically the plan. We even had it on a cruise
           | ship one year. The friendships, and collaborations that have
           | ensued are a testament to its effectiveness.
           | 
           | (To be honest we do have a few short talks and an agenda to
           | guide the discussions, but these are mostly requirements of
           | the funding that we've found)
        
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       | andi999 wrote:
       | Very nice. I disagree with not going to recorded ones. When is
       | the time to watch recorded talks: never. So it is now.
       | 
       | And the 5 minutes talk 17 min discussion could work, but it
       | really depends on the company. If head of e. g. darpa gives
       | instead of a 1h keynote a 15 min teaser and then all 1000
       | participants can start discussing, it might not really work (as
       | other situations as well).
        
         | nescioquid wrote:
         | Beyond the scenario you describe, I have some apprehension
         | around audience questions in these venues, as the questions are
         | often enough digressive or part of some dominance/status game.
         | 
         | For a speaker to aim for presenting for 25% of the time and
         | fielding questions for the remaining 75% strikes me as lazy or
         | a dodge in case you have no idea how to effectively present
         | your information.
         | 
         | Totally agree with you on the recorded talks, BTW!
        
       | throwaway98797 wrote:
       | > Don't attend any talk that's being recorded
       | 
       | bad advice, I meet the best people at talks I find interesting.
       | There's no better feeling than going to an obscure topic and
       | finding the room packed.
        
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