[HN Gopher] Some notes on 'asshat' (2018)
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       Some notes on 'asshat' (2018)
        
       Author : hashamali
       Score  : 98 points
       Date   : 2022-05-11 20:15 UTC (2 hours ago)
        
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       | adrianmonk wrote:
       | > _the etymological note we have describes the linking of ass and
       | hat as "seemingly nonsensical"_
       | 
       | I always assumed an asshat is a person with their head up their
       | ass, i.e. they are wearing it as a hat.
        
       | Wistar wrote:
       | My late father-in-law and his buddies used the expression "uglier
       | than a hat full of assholes," and I always assumed that "asshat"
       | came from that. Guess I was wrong.
        
       | scotty79 wrote:
       | Here's and interesting and fun take on similar words:
       | 
       | https://youtu.be/RAGcDi0DRtU?t=120
        
       | tlb wrote:
       | > the etymological note we have describes the linking of ass and
       | hat as "seemingly nonsensical"
       | 
       | What? It's obviously a reference to having your head up your ass,
       | thus turning your ass into a hat.
        
         | hunter2_ wrote:
         | A minor issue with that reasoning is that it doesn't explain
         | why you might use the word asshat to refer to a person who is
         | wearing an asshat. Asshatter would make a bit more sense, akin
         | to brownnoser. On the other hand, I guess words like fatass
         | have this same problem of equating the person with something
         | the person possesses.
        
           | JadeNB wrote:
           | > On the other hand, I guess words like fatass have this same
           | problem of equating the person with something the person
           | possesses.
           | 
           | On the third hand, I'm not sure that "fatass" really means
           | "your ass is fat" specifically; I've always understood it to
           | mean "you are fat, and an ass." That is, I take it in this
           | respect to be like "dumbass": "you are dumb, and an ass", not
           | "your ass is dumb".
        
       | emptybits wrote:
       | I have loved this word since I first heard it. I assumed it
       | evolved out of the common expressions: "get your head out of your
       | ass" or "he's got his head up his ass".
       | 
       | To me, this evokes an image of wearing one's ass as a hat. I love
       | the ridiculousness of picturing that.
        
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       | golem14 wrote:
       | The article compares with a 15th century word ass-head, but IMO
       | ass-hat is really meaning arse-head, and ass-head refers to the
       | animal, making an ass-head closer to a stupid person, less a
       | detestable and disagreeable one.
        
         | [deleted]
        
       | AdmiralAsshat wrote:
       | Validation at last!
        
       | pkamb wrote:
       | I think its usage on the internet grew as an acceptable
       | alternative to the banned word "asshole" on various message
       | boards.
       | 
       | https://ksot.net/banned/
       | 
       | "Asshat" also gives you plausible deniability for sneaking in
       | "ass" + the past tense of "shit". That's how I've always read it.
        
       | pohl wrote:
       | Another related word is "assclown" -- which, as far as I can
       | tell, was created accidentally when actor David Herman delivered
       | a line of dialoge with emphasis on the wrong syllable while
       | filming Office Space.
       | 
       | He was meant to call Michael Bolton a "no-talent-ass clown", but
       | delivered the line as "no-talent ass-clown".
       | 
       | Or something like that. And now assclown is a thing.
        
         | sph wrote:
         | https://xkcd.com/37/
        
           | atoav wrote:
           | Of course there is an xkcd about it
        
             | Tao332 wrote:
             | Vintage xkcd from the grid paper days.
        
         | Apocryphon wrote:
         | Confirmed by OP:
         | 
         | https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/what-does-assc...
        
           | OJFord wrote:
           | Not that it was not the intended reading though, unless I'm
           | missing it, just that the term likely came from the film?
        
         | wavefunction wrote:
         | nah Office resonates because it MIRRORED real life en verite,
         | not the other way around. That's always been Mike Judge's
         | strength, casting the actual as fantastic as it really is for
         | better or often worse.
         | 
         | we were saying assclown or azzclown before the movie but it hit
         | so sweetly thus
        
       | shagie wrote:
       | I first encountered this term while playing Kingdom of Loathing.
       | https://kol.coldfront.net/thekolwiki/index.php/Asshat which puts
       | it at somewhere in the 2005 or so timeframe when I encountered
       | that term.
        
         | Tao332 wrote:
         | In my memory you had to craft it from two half-asses, but it
         | looks like they were really called bum cheeks.
         | 
         | I remember first encountering the term on b3ta around the same
         | time.
        
       | leoc wrote:
       | For my money it probably started as a play on or corruption of
       | 'brass-hat', the old unflattering slang word for a senior
       | military officer.
        
       | themodelplumber wrote:
       | > In the case of pronoun usage, it really comes down to: Are you
       | being a nice person or an asshat?" -- Steve Kleinedler
       | (interviewed by Sarah Grey), Conscious Style Guide
       | (consciousstyleguide.com), "Conscious Language in the American
       | Heritage Dictionary," 22 Feb. 2018
       | 
       | I had no idea this guide for not being an asshat existed. That's
       | pretty interesting and could help a lot of would-be asshats who
       | don't feel comfortable hiding in actions-not-words territory
       | anymore.
       | 
       | https://consciousstyleguide.com/general/
        
         | Veen wrote:
        
           | [deleted]
        
           | bitwize wrote:
        
             | Veen wrote:
        
       | li2uR3ce wrote:
       | In case you need asshat quantified...
       | 
       | > Statistics for asshat
       | 
       | > Look-up Popularity
       | 
       | >
       | 
       | > Top 6% of words
       | 
       | https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/asshat
        
       | samatman wrote:
       | Is the etymology actually obscure? I seem to recall it gaining
       | currency in the warblog era (late but not lamented) and it's a
       | way of saying someone has their head up their ass. They're
       | wearing their ass as a hat.
       | 
       | I remember this being explained a lot in various comment sections
       | where folks would yell at each other about the war. It's hard for
       | me to see this as folk etymology since afaik it's where the word
       | itself comes from. Someone should ask Instapundit.
        
         | mordechai9000 wrote:
         | I first encountered "asshat" in the context of network
         | security: there are white hats, who are motivated by ethics and
         | social responsibility. There are black hats, who are motivated
         | by personal gain and seem to lack a sense of morality. Then
         | there are asshats, who don't care about anything other than
         | amusing themselves at other people's expense.
         | 
         | I have absolutely no idea of this is the origin of the term, or
         | if it just fit there perfectly.
        
       | livinginfear wrote:
       | My impression was always that the term connoted one who was
       | wearing an ass as a hat, i.e. has their "head up their/an(?)
       | ass". Which as many would already know is an English idiom
       | connoting someone of poor manners.
        
       | zaps wrote:
       | Jamey Jasta the poor man's Mike Muir
        
       | zdw wrote:
       | > There is a profound difference between being in possession of a
       | "sweet-ass hat" and a "sweet asshat"
       | 
       | Someone at MW has read: https://xkcd.com/37/
        
         | function_seven wrote:
         | 37? I can't believe it was that long ago. (Didn't even click
         | your link, I know what it is :)
        
       | bitwize wrote:
       | Thought it came from Jeff K. on Something Awful, back when
       | Something Awful was good.
        
       | mkr-hn wrote:
       | This is the second Usenet-borne word I've seen enter the
       | dictionary recently. I forget what the other one was, though I
       | remember it had to do with graffiti and was popularized by rather
       | than created on Usenet. I think we're going to see this more and
       | more over the next decade or three as slow-burning words from the
       | early internet stumble into memes and discourse around major
       | events.
        
         | flobosg wrote:
         | 'Unfriend' is another one.
         | 
         | > (...) though I remember it had to do with graffiti and was
         | popularized by rather than created on Usenet
         | 
         | That one's probably _king_ as a verb (" _kinging_ New York").
        
           | mkr-hn wrote:
           | I don't think so. This one had to do with a memorial for
           | someone who was murdered.
        
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         | xoxxala wrote:
         | I'm doing my part! I use "plonk" once or twice a day, which is
         | probably more than the average person.
        
       | casion wrote:
       | The use of written word in these scenarios is always interesting
       | to me. I have video of me and some friends using the word
       | "asshat" predating their first recorded usage by almost a decade.
       | (I have no idea why I remembered that video when reading this...
       | but here it is on my hard drive)
       | 
       | Ironically in a similar context, a bunch of punk rockers talking
       | about someone in a band we didn't like!
       | 
       | I always wonder how many words have an etymology which predates
       | written use significantly due to the "class" of people who use
       | that word. This certainly seems to be a minor case at least.
        
         | jameshart wrote:
         | There are certainly academics who collect and study spoken
         | language corpora, not just written - it's very much a matter of
         | what gets collected and catalogued though. The fact that early
         | citations here are from Usenet speaks to the availability and
         | search ability of that corpus much more than to its role in the
         | origination of written speech. Transcripts of IRC and MUDs and
         | aim chats are not collected and indexed, so they don't get
         | referenced.
         | 
         | Similarly with spoken corpora it tends to be things like
         | interviews with old people created to preserve dialect
         | recordings, or material from local radio news - rather than
         | random conversations among young people.
         | 
         | I guess by virtue of 'tape in the studio just kept rolling'
         | there might be rather more recorded examples of band members
         | chatting away over the years than of other similar aged groups.
        
         | jfengel wrote:
         | It's pretty much universal. Etymologists and lexicographers
         | know that most words were in use for some time before being
         | written -- anywhere from years to centuries. They try to make
         | inferences by other means, as best they can.
         | 
         | They gradually expand the corpus they can search. A lot of
         | words that are attributed to Shakespeare are gradually finding
         | earlier sources, often in manuscripts. They knew all along that
         | Shakespeare wasn't the first person to use a word (a common
         | myth), but that his works were widely printed and thus
         | survived.
         | 
         | Those manuscripts still don't include spoken usages, and show
         | only the use by the class of people who could write. But it is
         | solid data, before they go off into more tenuous hypotheses.
        
         | dang wrote:
         | Can you post the clip somewhere? That would be interesting, and
         | apparently of historical significance!
        
       | markbnj wrote:
       | It's been a long time, but I seem to recall the term being used
       | to describe a specific animation performed over the head of a
       | fallen enemy when playing MMOs like Asheron's Call or Dark Age of
       | Camelot, which I played a lot of circa 2001 or so.
        
       | DoneWithAllThat wrote:
       | I've always associated this word with fark.com, I remember it
       | being used frequently on that site around 2000.
        
       | rmatt2000 wrote:
       | Threads like this are why I come to HN.
        
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