[HN Gopher] Beautiful Racket (2016)
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       Beautiful Racket (2016)
        
       Author : gurjeet
       Score  : 101 points
       Date   : 2022-05-12 16:41 UTC (6 hours ago)
        
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       | gurjeet wrote:
       | I had read the post [1] here on HN at the time, about how he
       | faced abuse in the Racket community, but when posting this
       | submission I did not recognize the author of the book was the
       | one.
       | 
       | I'm glad his work hit the frontpage. This would hopefully attract
       | more attention to his work, as well as the problem in the Racket
       | community, if the problem still persists.
       | 
       | [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27531508
        
         | arimbaud wrote:
         | After that piece appeared on HN, Racket leadership posted an
         | apology [1] but didn't announce any changes to their policies
         | or procedures to prevent the issue from recurring. In
         | particular, there were no consequences for the person in Racket
         | leadership who had committed the abuse
         | 
         | [1]: https://groups.google.com/g/racket-
         | users/c/7F4Y5Xsdny8/m/r_g...
        
         | nextos wrote:
         | Matthew Butterick's work is pretty well known within Racket and
         | has brought many people to the language.
         | 
         | I found it sad to read he had been bullied by Matthias
         | Felleisen and as a consequence no longer contributes to Racket.
         | It is a big loss, and I hope something can be done to bring him
         | back.
        
       | Pet_Ant wrote:
       | Interesting model, it's an honor system to a read "free" (as in
       | not toll-gated) book on the web, with a starter price of $40 USD.
       | https://beautifulracket.com/how-to-pay.html
       | 
       | I admire the model, and the try-before-you-buy but somehow paying
       | $10 for a book I won't get around to reading ever most likely is
       | a lot more appealing, whereas starting a book knowing that I
       | should pay $40 somehow is off-putting enough to not make me want
       | to try.
       | 
       | Good on the author for being creative. Just sharing how my grey
       | mush responds to the whole situation.
        
         | themodelplumber wrote:
         | It's really curious that in terms of energy spent on a problem,
         | the site seemingly ranks feedback regarding price & price
         | complaints higher in annoyance than freeloaders who pay nothing
         | & say nothing. Feedback about pricing is also categorized under
         | excuses, and boiled down to a simple set.
         | 
         | The boiling down builds on the implication that the author is
         | happier if you are a freeloader than a feedback-giver,
         | especially if your feedback meets the condition that you aren't
         | yet comfortable paying.
         | 
         | This is also just as true if you are trying to give the author
         | any amount of money, as long as it's less than $40 and you
         | aren't a student.
         | 
         | So, you could be fully employed but living on a strict budget
         | so you can move out of an unhealthy living situation, and
         | decide that the book was worth your time to read but that you
         | don't have the money, and then discover that the author thinks
         | of you as "bro" and boils your exceptions down to "I already
         | heard it." And that's just one example.
         | 
         | If you have questions about why you should pay, you will have
         | to exert more energy than a freeloader (in time spent
         | reading/parsing/contacting the author about your proposal
         | that's higher than $5).
         | 
         | This is a problem. Sure, the book being free is "generous,"
         | especially if you're a freeloader, but the book is also very
         | not free and the author makes this clear to the reader. Readers
         | are considered to be reading under tacit subjective agreement
         | governed by the author's published pricing frameworks.
         | 
         | The author (I don't know them, nor have I read the book) also
         | seems rooted to the concept of intrinsic value. A lot of people
         | in programming are not, and find it not only foreign, but a
         | highly subjective, awkward way to request a judgement of
         | others. Some people are really bad at deciding what is "worth"
         | their time and many people do not actually think of their time
         | in this way. Many of those same people also really want to
         | support their community with what amounts to boundless
         | creativity, if they can.
         | 
         | Like a lot of people who use the phrase "vote with your
         | wallet," the author ends up redirecting a lot of the purchasing
         | conversation to an either-or dichotomy: Worth it, not worth it.
         | However in reading the details, it's clear that the author is
         | also aware of a number of different ways of looking at the
         | value of the book, but those ways aren't directly involved in
         | the pricing mechanic. This reads strangely and creates an
         | unnecessarily awkward hand-wave effect.
         | 
         | Racket is presumably a very nuanced language. I wonder if the
         | book's audience is really comfortable with such a binary
         | treatment of the customer & payment mechanic.
         | 
         | I think a really good start in repackaging this situation, as
         | an author, would be to first determine exactly how much you
         | need to make to keep the book alive. Especially if the book is
         | in danger of not surviving/living on. What does it mean to you,
         | in terms of expense, to keep the book alive? What is the
         | minimum you'd accept yearly, for example? This is probably a
         | huge point of leverage in communicating with the readers.
         | 
         | An exact number is important, because it's pretty unfair and
         | inconsiderate to ask that the book's best audience blindly
         | subscribe to a potentially limitless concept of paying the high
         | end of the spectrum for works that are also free-to-most, in
         | order to keep a book "alive". Especially if it's also fair to
         | say that the book is of potentially infinite worth to the
         | author, because this does not also reflect the reality of a
         | single book in the market in isolation and could really muddy
         | the emotional waters of charging money for something for which
         | one could never be paid enough, if being honest in one's own
         | intrinsic-value view.
         | 
         | Even if you think it can never be reached, publish the number.
         | Update it as you make money and update the pricing model as
         | things get better.
         | 
         | This would be much more fair to those who like the book, but
         | who also grasp the inequity of the situation as it stands.
        
           | fn-mote wrote:
           | > nor have I read the book
           | 
           | My background: unlike the parent, I have read the book. I am
           | a freeloader, but I am a _grateful_ freeloader. It 's clear
           | love and effort went into producing the book.
           | 
           | Frankly, I think the "tl;dr" response above by someone who
           | hasn't even read the book totally justifies the author's
           | alleged dismissal. The author set the price. The author
           | doesn't want to hear your complaints/criticism/feedback that
           | their pricing is wrong. I believe that is their right.
           | 
           | I think this is exactly the same situation as a startup
           | trying to convert free customers to the paying tier. There
           | are free customers that you don't really want as customers.
           | You set your price so you don't have to deal with them...
        
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       | dang wrote:
       | Related:
       | 
       |  _Beautiful Racket_ -
       | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17033533 - May 2018 (53
       | comments)
       | 
       |  _Beautiful Racket v1.0_ -
       | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13881535 - March 2017 (58
       | comments)
       | 
       |  _Beautiful Racket_ -
       | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11220237 - March 2016 (53
       | comments)
        
       | uneekname wrote:
       | Before I started feeling comfortable with the official Racket
       | docs, Beautiful Racket served as an accessible reference as I
       | began exploring the language.
       | 
       | I'm turning into a big Racket fan. I just rewrote my website's
       | backend in Racket [0], and I've been learning how to publish
       | packages for the ecosystem.
       | 
       | [0] https://github.com/jacobwhall/jacobhall.net
        
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