[HN Gopher] Plants grown in Apollo lunar regolith
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       Plants grown in Apollo lunar regolith
        
       Author : perihelions
       Score  : 79 points
       Date   : 2022-05-12 18:55 UTC (4 hours ago)
        
 (HTM) web link (www.nature.com)
 (TXT) w3m dump (www.nature.com)
        
       | yborg wrote:
       | What surprised me the most about this story is that apparently
       | nobody tried this obvious experiment in the last 50 years. It
       | seems basic to supporting a settlement on the Moon.
        
         | fennecfoxen wrote:
         | No one has made credible plans towards supporting a settlement
         | on the Moon in the last 50 years, either.
        
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         | Isamu wrote:
         | Real lunar regolith is not available for experiments like this.
         | However you can buy simulated lunar regolith, it's very
         | expensive but not nearly so as the real thing.
        
           | gibolt wrote:
           | Real lunar regolith is available in mass quantities, but the
           | ports are just backed up. Not many ships flying round trip to
           | the moon recently
        
             | rland wrote:
             | Well, that's not surprising, what with all these Covid
             | supply chain issues and all. I'm sure it'll be resolved
             | soon.
        
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         | Karawebnetwork wrote:
         | My understanding is that we have only a small sample and
         | growing things in it would ruin it for a lot of experiments.
        
           | noselasd wrote:
           | We do have 382 kilograms of lunar samples returned form the
           | apollo missions - not sure how much of that is regolith
           | though
        
           | ghostly_s wrote:
           | These have got to be the most expensive flowers in history.
        
         | avmich wrote:
         | I'm surprised given that some people had experience growing
         | plants in sand, in water, in air, in some synthetic soils. Is
         | the lunar soil somehow worse than that? Why?
        
           | lurquer wrote:
           | You can grow plants in a can of steel bb's, ground up gummy
           | bears, sand, shredded beer cans, etc....
           | 
           | The matrix isn't important to most plants. Just the nutrients
           | it gets.
           | 
           | Any hydroponic pot grower knows this.
        
           | Nikbul wrote:
           | It is worse for Earth plants due to long term exposure to
           | solar radiation and direct meteorite impacts. Article states
           | that Iron in the moon soil is Fe2, while on Earth it present
           | as Fe3. Another major difference-is silicates and glass
           | composition on the moon. Those are formed by micro meteorite
           | impacts and very different from earth volcano samples.
           | 
           | So plants in moon soil had to adapt a lot more then expected.
           | Also difference between actual moon soil and Earth's moon
           | soil replacement for labs is clearly visible.
        
           | gtowey wrote:
           | That was my question as well. But I think the article says
           | the scientists didn't know if something in the lunar soil
           | would actively inhibit plant growth.
           | 
           | It looks like the answer is no, and you can use it as an
           | effective substrate for what is essentially a hydroponic type
           | setup where the nutrients are all added.
        
         | uoaei wrote:
         | Experiments have been ramping up over the past couple decades
         | with both Luna- and Mars-analogous simulated regolith. The
         | novelty is doing it on real regolith brought back from Luna.
        
         | guenthert wrote:
         | So you mean if the plants wouldn't suffocate from lack of CO2,
         | wouldn't instantly freeze or dehydrate and not have their DNA
         | destroyed by the radiation, then settlers could actually
         | harvest them and prosper? Yeah, wonder why no-one thought about
         | that.
        
           | dylan604 wrote:
           | Clearly there's going to be plastic shielding in the balloon
           | style green houses they will build with the right air
           | mixture. /s
        
       | rich_sasha wrote:
       | Amazing.
       | 
       | I wonder if other plant species are better suited to growing in
       | Lunar "soil". Just like on Earth plants prefer one type of soil
       | to another.
        
         | Maciek416 wrote:
         | At least _prior_ to knowing anything else about regolith, aside
         | from it sometimes having volcanic origins: Speaking as a person
         | who grows a wide variety of woody tree species (pines, maples,
         | junipers, cottonwoods, azaleas, etc) in inorganic substrates
         | like pure perlite, pure lava, pure pumice (+combinations of
         | those and other volcanic media), and has seen all of these tree
         | species happily send roots into things like IKEA astroturf or
         | blocks of Rockwool, it doesn't surprise me that regolith could
         | maybe work as a grow media.
        
           | gibolt wrote:
           | Is it not the case that they'd be 'looking' for good soil
           | beyond those surfaces, even if it wasn't there?
           | 
           | It makes sense evolutionarily to 'just work' when possible,
           | especially since the alternative is death
        
           | a1369209993 wrote:
           | > pure lava,
           | 
           | Is this jargon for some lava-derived rock like obsidian or
           | basalt? Because I'm fairly sure even extremophile bacteria,
           | never mind any kind of tree, wouldn't be able to grow in
           | actual (ie molten rock) lava.
        
           | rich_sasha wrote:
           | Fascinating... dare I ask, is that a hobby? A very unusual
           | job?
        
             | Maciek416 wrote:
             | Bonsai. Hobby for me, but unusual job for my mentors.
        
         | idiotsecant wrote:
         | Interestingly ionic stresses on plants is not a problem unique
         | to the moon - There are plenty of places on earth
         | where(relative to typ. earth soil) high salinity soils exist :
         | 
         | https://www.agriculture.com/crops/cover-crops/new-life-for-s...
         | 
         | With a little bit of selective breeding and genetic
         | manipulation moon diets might include a lot of specialized
         | barley and sugar beets!
        
           | chrisweekly wrote:
           | I'm picturing the solar system's first batch of actual
           | moonshine.
        
           | s0rce wrote:
           | Salicornia do really well in salty marshy areas and are
           | edible!
        
       | m348e912 wrote:
        
         | cookingrobot wrote:
         | https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third-party_evidence_for_Apo...
        
         | jotm wrote:
         | How can they orbit the Earth when it's flat? Come on
        
           | dylan604 wrote:
           | We call that circling the drain rather than orbiting.
        
         | idiotsecant wrote:
         | Remarkable. I guess some of the old timey tinfoil hat theories
         | are still around. If the Americans didn't put the LLR on the
         | moon who did? I think you'll find it difficult to suggest that
         | it's naturally occurring.
         | 
         | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_Laser_Ranging_experiment
        
           | zardo wrote:
           | The moon landings were faked, but they faked them on site.
        
             | walrus01 wrote:
             | They hired Stanley Kubrick to fake it, but he insisted on
             | authenticity for the cinematic method, so the only solution
             | was to film on-site.
        
             | jl6 wrote:
             | Apollos 1-10 landed on the moon to properly scope it out so
             | they could be sure the faked Apollo 11 would look
             | realistic.
        
               | kube-system wrote:
               | 1+10=11 -- that can't be a coincidence!
        
           | importantbrian wrote:
           | I had a roommate who was really into these conspiracies. I
           | brought up the LLR and his response was that he believes NASA
           | sent rovers and satellites and other automated missions to
           | the moon, but doesn't believe we landed men on the moon. So
           | he said the LLR was placed there by one of those missions as
           | part of the hoax.
        
           | oh_sigh wrote:
           | Look at all the comments on those videos and you can see
           | those theorie are still quite popular.
           | 
           | I love their behavior as some kind of evidence though.
           | Basically the argument boils down to "Come on, really?..."
        
           | dylan604 wrote:
           | I mean we still have people that believe the earth is flat,
           | so of course Kubrik helped NASA fake the landing on a sound
           | stage in Hollywood.
        
       | stuff4ben wrote:
       | So just plain regolith was used? I wonder if it was augmented by
       | fertilizer how much of a difference it would make (a la The
       | Martian)?
        
         | perihelions wrote:
         | They did add stuff; C-f for "nutrient solution"
        
       | nomercy400 wrote:
       | Any reason they picked this specific plant?
        
         | siver_john wrote:
         | It is often a model organism in plant studies, similar to mice
         | in drug discovery. Mostly because it has a quick growth time,
         | is fairly hardy, and just the fact it has been so well studied
         | means that a lot is known about it.
         | 
         | I am not a plant biologist but have talked to some and I've
         | often seen it used in their work and this was their given
         | reasons.
        
         | rzzzt wrote:
         | Wikipedia says its small genome and short "cycle time" makes it
         | an excellent test subject for various experiments. A photo
         | depicts it growing in sidewalk cracks.
         | 
         | Maybe they'll pick an orchid next time!
        
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