[HN Gopher] I finally got Twitter after years of not getting it
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       I finally got Twitter after years of not getting it
        
       Author : affectsk
       Score  : 92 points
       Date   : 2022-05-15 22:50 UTC (2 days ago)
        
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       | handsaway wrote:
       | This is... an almost obsessive level of thinking about Twitter. I
       | don't know why you would force yourself to use something you
       | clearly didn't need.
       | 
       | I do find it funny that he found a community of people focused on
       | getting followers on twitter to tweet to about twitter.
       | 
       | This has reinforced my decision to avoid this website at all
       | costs.
        
         | Underphil wrote:
         | Some people _really_ struggle with FOMO.
        
         | affectsk wrote:
         | Gotta learn from the experts!
        
       | rektide wrote:
       | > _Finally, I felt irrelevant on Twitter._
       | 
       | This is like the first boss of tbe internet. Glad someone can at
       | least confess to this, clarify this point. Understanding &
       | welcoming this is a key pivot.
       | 
       | People will slowly trickle in & follow you if you contribute. The
       | reward ks highly chaotic, statistical, makes little clear sense.
       | But just showing up & saying reasonable things is a pretty lock
       | long term win.
        
         | affectsk wrote:
         | Yep, and the cool part is you don't need a lot to start feeling
         | relevant.
         | 
         | At least I didn't. A few weeks of consistently showing up and
         | interacting with the same people made them start recognizing
         | me, and that was enough to stop feeling like I'm just tweeting
         | into the void here.
         | 
         | Now a few months and a few hundred followers later I'm finally
         | at a point where I can simply ask "my" Twitter for feedback or
         | share a thought and actually get some engagement. That felt
         | like going from 0 to 1, and it was the hardest part.
         | 
         | A few hundred followers is still nothing in the grand scheme of
         | Twitter things, but it's enough not to feel irrelevant since
         | they're genuine and actually engage with me.
        
           | rodgerd wrote:
           | > Yep, and the cool part is you don't need a lot to start
           | feeling relevant.
           | 
           | "Being relevant" isn't really my goal on Twitter. Chatting to
           | people is. Sometimes I get to learn stuff. It's supposed to
           | be _social_.
        
         | sshlocalhost98 wrote:
         | Yes, I agree on this. I am writing machine learning topics on
         | twitters and researchers flock to my blog and comments. Great
         | to see collaboration
        
           | affectsk wrote:
           | Yep, I've found that if you're really good at what you do
           | and/or have a narrow enough niche you'll have a much easier
           | time getting people to interact with you.
           | 
           | If you're just alright and/or don't have a narrow niche, you
           | need to give them more reasons to follow/interact with you.
           | This is my case. I don't consider myself an expert in
           | anything, and being a generalist I'm interested in a lot of
           | stuff.
           | 
           | So even if people don't find my tweets or articles unique or
           | extraordinary, many of them tend to stick around because of
           | my personality. At least I got that!
        
             | sshlocalhost98 wrote:
             | Awesome!
        
       | lewisl9029 wrote:
       | So I had a Twitter account since 2009 but never really used it
       | till a few months ago. I have some mixed feelings about it.
       | 
       | On one hand, I really love the consumption side (following people
       | and reading their tweets): being able to follow interesting
       | people and populate my feed with all kinds of great posts about
       | topics I'm interested in. I've honestly been learning a lot and
       | getting exposed to a lot more perspectives I'd never have been
       | exposed to from just passively scrolling over the past few
       | months. This alone makes it more than worthwhile in my books, and
       | makes me wish I started using it sooner.
       | 
       | On the other hand, the production side (actually posting my own
       | tweets) almost always feels like shouting into a void given my
       | rather tiny follower count. I've done it enough times with the
       | same outcome to the point that I've mostly given up on actually
       | posting my own tweets, and have toned down my engagement on the
       | platform to just replying to other people's tweets and retweeting
       | things I find worth sharing.
       | 
       | I'm not saying this needs to change, it's the system working as
       | intended. I imagine people with high follower counts probably get
       | enough engagement on their tweets to make it a completely
       | different experience, and it's totally fair. They've spent years
       | building up an audience, I haven't, and the difference in
       | reach/engagement is a natural consequence of that.
       | 
       | Though this is why HN still feels so special. Everything I write
       | here stands on its own merits. Good comments rise to the top and
       | bad ones get ignored/downvoted into oblivion. The algorithm
       | doesn't care about who's writing it. Sure, it's not a perfect
       | meritocracy. Famous people in the community will still get their
       | usernames recognized and noticed/upvoted more often as a result,
       | and the downvote-for-disagreement culture breeds a lot of
       | groupthink. But I still love this place despite all of its warts.
        
       | conductr wrote:
       | I've tried it and I just have no desire to scroll, or contribute
       | to, another endless feed. My inbox is bad enough. I'm ok missing
       | out on it. I never once said, "dang, if only I was a daily
       | twitter user I would have [insert any type of benefit to my
       | life]".
        
       | wly_cdgr wrote:
       | Bro, just do whatever you want, these places are for doing
       | whatever you want. Engagement numbers are irrelevant, we're all
       | just screaming into the void at all times
       | 
       | Also, to contradict myself immediately, Facebook is most
       | definitely not for family, Facebook is for making friends with
       | Bulgarian anarchists and for fucking busted e-girls
        
       | wrs wrote:
       | I still don't get it. Why would I want to talk to my friends in
       | _public_? In a medium specifically designed to propagate out-of-
       | context sound bites? Surrounded by trolls of all ideologies? I
       | stopped posting anything on Twitter because there was nothing to
       | say that's worth the risk.
        
         | Underphil wrote:
         | Yeah, I hear you. I _do_ get Twitter but am still not
         | interested in what it offers. To each their own, I say.
        
         | lupire wrote:
         | Because public is _easy_. You don 't have to make coordinate
         | plans of who to include where and when.
         | 
         | Twitter is like a pub that people are always at.
        
         | criddell wrote:
         | Twitter is sometimes the best way to reach customer service
         | people who can actually help you with your problem. For me,
         | that's my number one use case.
        
       | thebradbain wrote:
       | I _love_ Twitter. I think it's the only social media website that
       | rewards "power users" (to a fault). It has a horrific onboarding
       | experience that I imagine leaves many would-be regular users
       | stuck in a "now what?" rut.
       | 
       | Its moderation is _too_ lax (no, really, it is. Try posting some
       | of the things * waves hands *  "both sides" complain about on any
       | other mainstream social media network - Facebook, Instagram,
       | TikTok - and they'll be near-instantly removed there yet likely
       | allowed to remain on Twitter. This goes for pornography, bots,
       | extremist tweets, targeted harassment, slurs -- even with good
       | account-following hygiene, you'll see these things at the top of
       | tweet replies, possibly promoted into your feed as a "viral
       | tweet", etc. This discussion about "censorship" wouldn't even be
       | a discussion if Twitter just more strongly enforced its
       | guidelines it already has established. As it is, my opinion is
       | that every decision to remove something seems personal only
       | because you'll see so many other tweets obviously breaking the
       | rules, leading one to wonder "why me")
       | 
       | Yet still, despite it all, it's the only mainstream social media
       | network where it actively feels like, to me, being part of the
       | conversation. In the same people say reddit is about the
       | communities you curate, so is Twitter -- but in my experience,
       | even moreso, because the majority of people on it (or at least
       | those in my circle) are real people, not hiding behind avatars or
       | usernames.
        
       | m1117 wrote:
       | Twitter is crazy and amazing. I stopped using it and a year ago I
       | came back, its getting better!
        
       | dhosek wrote:
       | I rejoined Twitter earlier this year after a bit over a year off.
       | This time around I focused on the stuff that I liked: interacting
       | with other writers, so my college friend who teaches at the Naval
       | War College and tweets a mix of politics and cats, I don't follow
       | this time around. And a lot of prominent Catholic figures that I
       | used to follow, I don't because a lot of Catholic Twitter is
       | arguing about stuff that I don't want to deal with in what is
       | ostensibly my relaxation and socialization space. There are only
       | a handful of people in my feed who I've met, but it is much
       | better the way it is. I'm also liberal with my use of the mute
       | and block buttons (I keep blocking ads for clickbait sites but
       | the Twitter algorithm hasn't caught on to that yet).
        
       | jsemrau wrote:
       | I never liked Twitter as a platform. We use it as a free instant
       | news datasource for out investment platform (finclout). For that
       | it works well.
       | 
       | IMO the benefits are : 1. Relevant traders are posting
       | interesting insights. 2. Community engagement. 3. Up-to-date
       | information.
       | 
       | Besides that I try to stay away.
        
       | jpswade wrote:
       | Twitter is simple, its purpose is to broadcast in short form.
       | Like newspapers, magazines and radio and TV before it.
       | 
       | Twitter's power is its reach.
        
       | egypturnash wrote:
       | Damn this sure is a lot of thinking about how to Twitter. I just
       | started following my friends after their Livejournal posts turned
       | into incoherent auto posted collections of the day's Twitter
       | replies and that was basically it.
       | 
       | Well until the past few years when it suddenly became POLITICAL
       | RAGE MATCH and I started running a Mastodon server for myself and
       | some of my friends...
        
       | zaphar wrote:
       | I've been using Twitter since it was invite only. I'm not a
       | Twitter personality, I don't have impressive follow counts or
       | viral tweets. I do tweet but mostly only so I can interact with
       | my feed.
       | 
       | I've left every other social network. No longer on Facebook. No
       | interest in Instagram or TikTok. But Twitter I've continued to
       | get value from. This is entirely because I'm able to curate my
       | feed. My rules for twitter engagement are:
       | 
       | 1. Never look at the algorithmic feed. Switch to most recent or
       | use https://tweetdeck.twitter.com for list consumption.
       | 
       | 2. Unfollow anyone who consistently pulls you into Twitter
       | cesspools.
       | 
       | 3. Follow the people who you find interesting and who doesn't
       | break rule #2
       | 
       | 4. Use the mute and block buttons as frequently as you need to.
       | 
       | 5. Block retweets which aren't quotes.
       | 
       | Everyonce in a while someone will link to a tweet in a different
       | forum and I'll take a look. 90% of the time I'm shocked at what
       | the author of that Tweet's experience of Twitter is like. My
       | experience is 180 degrees different.
        
         | spike021 wrote:
         | This process is basically what I've done for years. I don't use
         | tweetdeck though, I just manually curate my lists in twitter's
         | own UI. Mostly works. Some stuff slips through the cracks but
         | my expectations are just set such that nothing will ever be
         | perfect.
        
         | affectsk wrote:
         | Great tips, although I do like the algo - works great for
         | discovery!
         | 
         | Other than that, it really is about how you curate it. Follow
         | the people you're interested in, engage with the content you
         | find useful, tell Twitter you don't like something by
         | muting/blocking/notinterestedin-ing and you're good.
         | 
         | In that regard it's not unlike any other social media: if you
         | don't tell it what you like, it'll show you what it things you
         | want to see, which won't necessarily be something you'd want to
         | see.
        
         | dominotw wrote:
         | Problem is that most people don't have the monumental willpower
         | to not get dragged into a cesspool in a moment of weakness.
        
         | Sakos wrote:
         | > I've left every other social network. No longer on Facebook.
         | No interest in Instagram or TikTok. But Twitter I've continued
         | to get value from. This is entirely because I'm able to curate
         | my feed. My rules for twitter engagement are:
         | 
         | This also worked for Facebook back when I still had an account.
         | All the posts I saw were ones directly related to my interests
         | and local events that I was interested in. We have a lot of
         | control over how social media presents us with information,
         | just most people don't bother trying to make it work for them.
        
           | HappyDreamer wrote:
           | > just most people don't bother trying to make it work for
           | them
           | 
           | Could one say that that's why TikTok is so popular? It works
           | although people don't spend time configuring it?
        
         | Nav_Panel wrote:
         | Re (2), I always soft-block (block and then unblock) rather
         | than unfollow, mainly because I view my twitter feed as a
         | collection of friends, and I'd rather "terminate the
         | relationship" than make it one-sided. If I want to preserve the
         | relationship but find them annoying, I'll mute them.
        
           | zaphar wrote:
           | I do this two, but I have sort of two mental categories. The
           | people who only occasionally pull me in. I just mute or block
           | then unblock. Then there are the people who consistently try
           | to pull me in and view it as their duty to do so. Those I
           | just unfollow, it's not worth the effort to keep them in my
           | feed.
        
         | colpabar wrote:
         | I think the fact that you got in early and are now a pro at
         | using it is why you don't hate it. twitter seems like such a
         | simple platform that _should_ be great, but as someone who has
         | tried it out a few times over the years, it just seems
         | horrible. As soon as you create your account, you are bombarded
         | with whatever outrage-inducing topics are popular that day, and
         | the recommendation system on who to follow seems pretty biased.
         | 
         | All of the things you listed seem like they should be the
         | default. But they aren't, which means 99% of people do not even
         | know they are options, and so the site is dumpster fire for
         | most people.
        
           | zaphar wrote:
           | This is fair. Most of my rules amount to working to keep
           | twitter looking like it looked when it first started. Which
           | sort of leads you to question what value all the features
           | twitter has introduced since really give me as a user.
           | 
           | I like spaces and find those useful but the algorithmic feed
           | has close to 0 value for me. I'm not sure how twitter makes
           | money and survives as a company without it though. Can
           | twitter succeed as a pay to use platform? I don't know.
        
           | Sakos wrote:
           | I started using it when the Ukraine war began. All I see is
           | news out of the war. Nothing sensationalized or toxic or
           | anything. You can avoid a lot of the cesspool if you put in a
           | tiny bit of effort.
        
         | tonguez wrote:
         | this advice from twitter users is always the same and its
         | always so bizarre. just invest thousands of hours into
         | cultivating your own feed through the following process: every
         | time you get insulted by some child/idiot/bot, just select the
         | account of that individual person then block them or mute or
         | unfollow. do this thousands (or millions?) of times for every
         | individual person on twitter. jesus christ i cant think of
         | something more unappealing.
         | 
         | the worst part of this is the more you invest into making it
         | useable, the worse it is when big brother blocks/mutes you; the
         | more enmeshed you are into this MCI tool for manufacturing
         | consent. it sounds like the type of person who would be into
         | twitter is the type of person who likes to spend a lot of time
         | researching which credit card gives the best 2% cash back or
         | whatever. genuinely just gross and boring to the point of being
         | repulsive to most people on earth
        
           | beepbooptheory wrote:
           | How are bots insulting you? That's just impressive more than
           | anything.
        
         | MuffinFlavored wrote:
         | > you into Twitter cesspools.
         | 
         | What % of the userbase is "Twitter cesspools" and how do you
         | define that? What exactly is a "Twitter cesspool"? Viewpoints
         | that don't align with yours? Radical politics?
         | 
         | Is Twitter _the_ platform of giving the 10-20% most fringed
         | members of both political parties a voice? Why does what they
         | post get  "upvoted/liked/retweeted" enough to the point where
         | it gets visibility instead of being drowned out? What kind of
         | content are they posting exactly that is "ok" to not be removed
         | by moderation policies, but you define it as "cesspool"
         | material?
        
           | lcnPylGDnU4H9OF wrote:
           | >> you into Twitter cesspools. > how do you define that?
           | 
           | I'd imagine it's a personal definition and could be
           | reasonably substituted with "you don't want to hear from."
           | for the same effect.
        
           | zaphar wrote:
           | Threads that are full of flamewars, name calling, and outrage
           | farming is my personal definition of cesspool. I follow many
           | that hold opinions I don't agree with. As long as the
           | conversation is civil I'm perfectly happy talking. But if it
           | drags me into an internet flamewar where I am expected to
           | pile onto someone else out of manufactured outrage then count
           | me out.
        
           | desas wrote:
           | > What exactly is a "Twitter cesspool"? Viewpoints that don't
           | align with yours? Radical politics?
           | 
           | This is a very presumptuous response.
           | 
           | A more charitable interpretation might just be where
           | discussions are happening that you're not interested in on
           | twitter. For example, 'this person keeps getting embroiled in
           | twitter arguments about covid', so I'm going to unfloow them
           | because even though I agree with their opinions, I'm not
           | interested in the inevitably heated and pointless discussions
           | leaking into my timeline.
        
         | snthpy wrote:
         | Does TweetDeck still work? I mostly stopped using Twitter when
         | TweetDeck was acquired by Twitter and they shut down the
         | Android client.
         | 
         | Before that I had different curated lists and then it just
         | became a mess.
        
           | erk__ wrote:
           | Tweet deck works well though only in the browser now. I use
           | it extensively for keeping a seperation between my messy feed
           | and my lists
        
         | polynomial wrote:
         | > 5. Block retweets which aren't quotes.
         | 
         | What's the reason for this? I didn't even realize you could do
         | that.
        
           | zaphar wrote:
           | Just plain retweets tend to be viral tweets. And while some
           | of them can be fun they also have a tendency to be low-
           | content, high rage-factor tweets.
           | 
           | In tweetdeck the block retweets setting blocks them. Retweet
           | with quote isn't counted as a retweet.
        
             | Sakos wrote:
             | > Just plain retweets tend to be viral tweets. And while
             | some of them can be fun they also have a tendency to be
             | low-content, high rage-factor tweets.
             | 
             | All the retweets I see are high quality and interesting.
             | This heavily depends on who you're following, tbh.
        
         | wnevets wrote:
         | > 2. Unfollow anyone who consistently pulls you into Twitter
         | cesspools.
         | 
         | There are certain cesspools I like checking out. For example
         | Grady Booch dunking on cryptobros is still funny to me.
        
           | sriram_sun wrote:
           | Create lists, but don't follow those folks. You'll probably
           | miss timely rebuttals, but only click on "politics" or
           | whatever when you want to waste (additional) time!
        
           | hermitdev wrote:
           | > Grady Booch dunking on cryptobros is still funny to me.
           | 
           | Wait, what? Grady Booch, the UML guy? This, I need to the
           | see.
        
             | wnevets wrote:
             | He is constantly getting blocked after calling them out.
             | 
             | https://twitter.com/Grady_Booch/status/1526615686151217152
        
         | emkemp wrote:
         | Completely agree, and I'm surprised more people aren't using
         | Tweetdeck.
        
           | notacoward wrote:
           | I feel like a lot of people complaining about Twitter only
           | experience it through the twitter.com web interface. I'd hate
           | it too if that was my only experience of it. Using Tweetdeck
           | and/or just about any mobile client is _worlds_ better. You
           | don 't get so much random dreck, which makes it much easier
           | to see and engage with people you actually know or like.
           | 
           | As far as I can tell, using any social-media site other than
           | with a friends-only reverse-chronological feed is just going
           | to be a bad experience for anyone who values real engagement
           | (i.e. not influencers or wannabes and not passive
           | disinformation consumers). Also, any social-media site
           | without a block button and a culture encouraging people to
           | use it is broken too.
        
             | recursive wrote:
             | If that's really the only way to make twitter good, then it
             | seems like a reasonable complaint that twitter is not that
             | way. If twitter can't be bothered to make their own product
             | tolerable, I don't feel any compulsion to do it for them.
             | 
             | I say this as someone who briefly attempted to dabble in
             | twitter on a few occasions. I have an account. I've tweeted
             | a few times. I now check it probably a few times a year.
        
               | nemothekid wrote:
               | Tweetdeck isn't anymore accessible than Twitter; It's for
               | powerusers. It's better than vanilla twitter the same way
               | an F1 car is better than a Toyota Camry. If you can't
               | grok a Camry, then jumping into an F1 isn't going to make
               | your experience better.
               | 
               | Twitter's strength and "problem" (to me), is that its
               | just a firehose of senseless data and you have to
               | manually figure out what you want. I only started
               | enjoying Twitter, by accident, when in college I
               | blacklisted Facebook, Instagram and Reddit on my
               | computer. That said, over the years I've come to prefer
               | it's arguably web-1.0 style of discovery to the curated
               | feeds of today.
               | 
               | I don't think Twitter needs the instant gratification
               | hooks that other platforms have. Sometimes you login, and
               | there's nothing going on.
        
             | lapcat wrote:
             | There are web browser extensions that are pretty good at
             | improving the web site.
        
         | tmalsburg2 wrote:
         | I settled on a similar approach. I used to liberally follow all
         | sorts of accounts that seemed even remotely relevant, but
         | signal to noise was abysmal and there was way too much drama.
         | Several times I was on the verge of quitting, even though
         | Twitter was quite useful for promoting my own work and that of
         | my students. But recently I decided to try a new approach and
         | systematically unfollowed a lot of accounts. Now I stick to the
         | following diet and it produces a much more healthy and
         | interesting feed:                 1. No politicians         2.
         | No journalists       3. No institutions       4. No companies
         | 5. No entertainment       6. No anonymous accounts       7.
         | Some notable exceptions in all the categories above       8.
         | Mute words to taste
         | 
         | What's left is mostly genuinely interesting people who post
         | about things they understand and truly care about.
         | 
         | I primarily browse the chronological timeline _without
         | retweets_ courtesy of a nice search function hack (you must be
         | logged in for this to work):
         | 
         | https://twitter.com/search?q=filter%3Afollows%20exclude%3Are...
         | 
         | The algorithmic timeline has a bad reputation but it's actually
         | useful for stuff you missed. But I only check it after looking
         | at the chronological feed.
         | 
         | I also like and mostly follow these suggestions for using
         | Twitter effectively:
         | https://twitter.com/AlanLevinovitz/status/151946437478365184...
        
           | walleeee wrote:
           | with 6 you miss some good accounts, anonymity is not always a
           | bad thing
        
             | tom_ wrote:
             | This is covered by rule 7.
        
               | walleeee wrote:
               | Ah, somehow I missed that.
        
           | pronoiac wrote:
           | You can turn off retweets for accounts that you follow, btw.
           | I use lists in a third party app for a chronological feed.
        
           | PKop wrote:
           | I don't understand the anonymous accounts rule. Some of the
           | most interesting and insightful people on Twitter are
           | anonymous. And we could say the same about Hacker News. Do
           | you think this website would be better if we all had to use
           | our real names?
        
             | wallacoloo wrote:
             | i'm frequently confused by people referring to "anonymous"
             | accounts on Twitter. every Twitter user needs a handle, so
             | it's not really possible to use it anything less than
             | pseudonymously AIUI.
             | 
             | by "anonymous", do most people mean pseudonymous users who
             | haven't established an identity (i.e. few to no posts, or
             | no bio, or egg avatar)? or do most people mean to capture
             | _all_ pseudonymous users under that "anonymous" label? (in
             | which case, how does one evaluate if the user is
             | pseudonymous or using their legal name? even blue-checks
             | can be pseudonymous).
        
           | mikkergp wrote:
           | This begs the question to me, is there a way to "fix"
           | Twitter, without greatly reducing its impact? It seems to me
           | some people talk about making Twitter "the" public forum, but
           | most of the fixes to Twitter seem to be about how to make it
           | work for your niche. Which is great! Things shouldn't have to
           | be big or making billions of dollars to be good. But "No
           | politicians, no journalists, no institutions" doesn't sound
           | like a public forum to me, and I can't imagine some people
           | would buy Twitter in order to dramatically shrink it.
        
             | rodgerd wrote:
             | The only talk of "public forum" comes from people who are
             | desperate to force others to listen to them. I don't need
             | TERFs and neo-Nazis in my feed, but they want to be there.
        
               | dragonwriter wrote:
               | > The only talk of "public forum" comes from people who
               | are desperate to force others to listen to them.
               | 
               | Occasionally, it's used by other people properly to refer
               | to a space used by government for official purposes; I
               | suspect much of the other use is dual purpose, that is,
               | it intends to discredit the proper use as much as to
               | advance a more overt purpose.
        
         | kinow wrote:
         | That's pretty much how I use any social media.
         | Unfollow/block/mute. Works on reddit too.
        
         | berberous wrote:
         | People shit on the algorithmic feed, but I love it. I'm too
         | busy to wade through bad/boring tweets, and don't want to spend
         | all day scrolling. I can check it once or day or less and the
         | algorithmic sorting surfaces the best content right at the top.
         | 
         | That said, I don't really need a smarter algorithm than "show
         | my tweets with a lot of favorites".
         | 
         | Just like a prefer to have Reddit sort by best vs new.
        
           | fluidcruft wrote:
           | My experience is that the algorithmic feed just wants to
           | firehose 99.9% sensationalist trending muck I don't want from
           | people and topics I don't want to follow or read about on
           | twitter.
        
             | meowface wrote:
             | For me the absolute worst of the worst is the "More Tweets"
             | list under certain tweets. It's basically designed to be
             | the most sensationalist, polarizing, "hot take"ist bullshit
             | imaginable. I'm not sure I've ever read a single thing
             | worth reading in that section.
             | 
             | A rather meta example: scroll down to the "More Tweets"
             | section under this recent Elon Musk tweet -
             | https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1525738556102164480
             | 
             | I don't know what it might curate for each person reading
             | this, but I'll bet you'll see what I'm talking about.
        
               | mlindner wrote:
               | I think this is a difference between the desktop and web
               | experience because I don't see any "more tweets" section.
               | If I scroll, I just get autoloading of more replies to
               | the tweet.
        
               | code_duck wrote:
               | Not sure whether you're on desktop or mobile, but I only
               | get "More Tweets" on the mobile website if I'm not signed
               | in. Otherwise it's as you describe, only replies.
        
               | rockinghigh wrote:
               | These are tweets Twitter wants to hide because they are
               | deemed toxic.
        
               | meowface wrote:
               | Sorry, to be clear I'm talking about the "More Tweets"
               | list at the bottom. What you're referring to is the "Show
               | more replies" link which requires a click to unroll.
        
           | aeturnum wrote:
           | I also really like the algorithmic feed. Though it's
           | interesting that you like it because you check it
           | infrequently - for me, it works because I check it often, so
           | it's "close to chronological but with extra surprises" which
           | I like.
           | 
           | I think the algorithmic feed actually does a good job of
           | promoting the things Twitter does well and I wonder how many
           | people who hate it actually just disagree with the Twitter
           | devs about how the service should work.
        
           | jklinger410 wrote:
           | People like to trash on algorithmic feeds, but they secretly
           | love them. YouTube for instance compared to Odysee.
        
             | klyrs wrote:
             | People like to trash on heroin, but they secretly love it.
             | But people quit heroin too, because of the harms.
        
           | affectsk wrote:
           | I'm actually with you on this one!
           | 
           | In my case, the algo is pretty good at surfacing useful
           | tweets and people: both new stuff that I find relevant, and
           | tweets from the people I'm following that I missed.
           | 
           | So I generally use lists to interact with different groups of
           | people I'm already interested (including the ones I'm
           | following) and the homepage is great for discovery.
        
           | VectorLock wrote:
           | I've been a long-time Twitter user and I recently switched to
           | "See latest Tweets instead" and I had the same conclusion,
           | the "algorithm" was actually doing a decent job of surfacing
           | new stuff for me that I liked. I missed it pretty quick and
           | switched back. I think doing the manual curation to tell the
           | algo what you _don't_ want to see helps immensely.
        
       | kosasbest wrote:
       | I have a public Twitter account where I barely tweet or browse
       | Twitter. Gained 1000+ followers over the years and many of them
       | are good friends. I grew my following by simply interacting with
       | others and helping out with problems people were having. I try
       | not to tweet something I would regret posting in the future, as
       | this is my public persona and I'm committing to a permanent
       | record so to speak. Even if I delete a tweet, anyone can
       | screenshot it and circulate it online so I'm on my best behavior.
       | 
       | I have one other account which is private (where I don't tweet).
       | I don't follow anyone, and if I get follow requests, I decline
       | them. I browse Twitter using their Lists feature, which I've
       | curated heavily over the years. All my lists are private so if I
       | accidentally get a follower, they can't see the lists I've made.
       | All my lists are high signal and I've blocked ~250 accounts that
       | regularly piss me off. I mean, some people just always popup in
       | my feed that are full of rage and bile, so blocking those
       | accounts is great and I enjoy browsing Twitter because of this,
       | since all the bad faith actors have been weeded out.
        
       | wcerfgba wrote:
       | There are two main things that put me off trying to use Twitter:
       | the character limit, and the closed nature of the platform.
       | 
       | The character limit is a completely backwards concept to me. Yes,
       | it encourages people to be succinct, and yes, it creates a space
       | where short-form content feels like a valid contribution. But
       | almost every tweet I get linked (through friends or other
       | websites) that's interesting is either a pointer to another
       | website, or a thread. In order to say anything useful on Twitter
       | and actually have a conversation there, people have to butcher
       | their prose into a thread of sometimes garbled sentences. For me,
       | it's not pleasant to read and it's even less pleasant to write.
       | People work around the limitation by creating images of long-form
       | text (great for accessibility /s) or, like this piece, writing
       | their contribution somewhere else and then just linking it on
       | Twitter.
       | 
       | Being a closed platform isn't just a philosophical issue. It
       | means I don't feel like I own my content. It means I am at the
       | whim of the company's dark UX patterns aimed at driving
       | 'engagement', like forcing visitors to log in to view a thread.
       | 
       | Why would I want to participate in a platform that is so hostile
       | to allowing me to have meaningful conversations?
       | 
       | I have my own website/blog where I have complete control and
       | ownership of what I write. My website is open, mobile friendly,
       | and lightweight, so anyone can go and read it without waiting for
       | a spinner or with a modal getting in the way. I have an email
       | address on there so any visitor can contact me. Occasionally
       | people email me and we have a chat.
       | 
       | I network through email. If I discover someone's work and it's
       | interesting, I send them and email with more than 280 characters
       | explaining what I got out of it, sharing my own thoughts, and
       | pointing them at other resources and people they may find
       | valuable. Friends and colleagues reciprocate and send me
       | interesting stuff. Sometimes we have a video call and catch up
       | and discuss opportunities to collaborate.
       | 
       | I sign up to people's newsletters, and subscribe to journal
       | alerts and mailing lists. My inbox is a steady stream of
       | interesting conversations and announcements.
       | 
       | I skim Hacker News, Tildes, and MetaFilter for new links. I read
       | the comments because usually people are insightful and the
       | interface is clean and lets me focus on the content.
       | 
       | I could probably get some use out of Twitter as a way to stay up
       | to date with specific people, if I wasn't so turned off by the
       | UX. A service that allowed me to follow people and then just
       | emailed me a daily or weekly digest of tweets from people I
       | follow (maybe ordered by some metric like retweet, which I also
       | don't grok) could be cool.
        
       | gverrilla wrote:
       | twitter is like a pyramid scheme of popularity. no thanks
        
       | soneca wrote:
       | A more informative title could be _"I finally got how to win on
       | Twitter"_ , because that's what this person wanted. They wanted
       | to "win".
       | 
       | That's not what I want. I "got" Twitter from my first time using
       | it. I wanted to follow a mix of diverse people around topics that
       | interested me and be informed on new and old things about these
       | topics. And I never minded reading personal stuff from those
       | people. I actually enjoyed to learn about their other interests
       | or funny remarks.
        
         | affectsk wrote:
         | Low-key yeah, I do want to figure out how to win, but I haven't
         | gotten there yet.
         | 
         | Your way of "getting" it is perfectly fine, too - if that's
         | what you want out of it. Right now I do enjoy reading people's
         | personal stuff, but they have to be the people I care about at
         | least to some extent.
         | 
         | So what I wanted out of Twitter was the ability to be heard,
         | not just to listen. That's the part that I kinda figured out.
         | Winning is a different story.
        
       | munificent wrote:
       | I find it strange when people make broad declarative statements
       | about a social media platform. There is no singular Twitter
       | experience any more than there is a singular "America" experience
       | or "web" experience. Twitter is a vast heterogeneous sea of semi-
       | overlapping distinct communities. My Twitter is not your Twitter.
       | I'm happy the author "got" their Twitter but they way they got it
       | isn't how mine works.
       | 
       | My mental model for Twitter is basically like a giant cocktail
       | party. Imagine you're hanging out and you want to find a couple
       | of cool people to talk with. You've maybe got one or two people
       | you know around but you want to meet some new ones. So you throw
       | out a joke or tell a story to them, but maybe just a little bit
       | louder in case it perks someone else's ear up because you have
       | something in common.
       | 
       | Over time, you find yourself in a corner of the room surrounded
       | by your tribe, having fun, telling anecdotes and connecting.
       | Throughout the night, people come and go in the group, but it has
       | a vaguely stable vibe of certain common interests. Every now and
       | then someone totally random wanders by, joins the conversation,
       | gets a little confused when they don't get the weird in-jokes,
       | and wanders off.
       | 
       | It becomes a great evening because you discovered some new people
       | you have a lot in common with.
       | 
       | That's Twitter for me.
        
       | [deleted]
        
       | kstenerud wrote:
       | I still don't get it. Nothing in this article makes sense to me,
       | either. Not to denigrate the author - I'm sure what he posted
       | makes a ton of sense, just not to me.
       | 
       | I made a twitter account shortly after it first started, made a
       | few tweets, and then it languished and I think it's probably long
       | deleted by now. Last year my wife made me another one because
       | "you need it to promote your OSS stuff". Okay so I made a few
       | tweets ... aaaaand it's been sitting dormant for months.
       | 
       | I just ... I dunno how to even describe it. Can't see the point,
       | maybe? Can't build any enthusiasm to get involved? Find it about
       | as interesting and engaging as cutting my toenails?
       | 
       | But it's been the same with facebook and ... I think it was
       | instagram or one of those newer ones - the one with the icon that
       | looks like a ghost. It's such a hassle to use them! HN is the
       | only place I ever post anything, and even that's a few days of
       | posting stuff and then weeks of nothing.
       | 
       | I mean, I do understand how it can be beneficial to work those
       | social networks for your projects and passions and such, but
       | yeeesh what a slog!
        
         | time_to_smile wrote:
         | > "you need it to promote your OSS stuff"
         | 
         | I have found this to be the biggest myth of Twitter: it is
         | nearly useless for content marketing.
         | 
         | A long time ago (so it's possible this isn't true any more) I
         | did some analysis on a pretty large number of domains and found
         | that Twitter had virtually no impact on traffic. There were
         | brands that had a large twitter following, but in nearly every
         | case I could find this was because a popular brand happened to
         | have an audience that also was active on Twitter, not because
         | Twitter activity helped to grow their brand.
         | 
         | I also had/have (much more recently) a Twitter account with >
         | 5k follows, that was pretty active (i.e. I didn't just game
         | Twitter to grow followers, something I have done in the past,
         | which is a separate issue). I had a couple of Tweets with more
         | than 1k likes, many with more than 500. First off, most really
         | viral content is viral because it has nothing to do with your
         | "brand", so that gets no traffic. However, even tweets that are
         | relevant, linking to specific articles etc. only get a small
         | blip in traffic and no visible long term improvement.
         | 
         |  _tl;dr in both my research and anecdotal experience Twitter is
         | not a good marketing tool_
         | 
         | Twitter can be good for communicating with your users/audience
         | if they happen to already be there, but it won't grow your
         | brand.
         | 
         | Twitter can be useful for meeting people. I have a small number
         | of friends that I have met there.
         | 
         | But as a marketing tool it is a complete waste of time.
        
           | lapcat wrote:
           | > I have found this to be the biggest myth of Twitter: it is
           | nearly useless for content marketing.
           | 
           | I've found Twitter to be essential to my business. Perhaps
           | you're looking at it too "directly", in terms of traffic
           | analysis. What's important in my opinion is "worth of mouth"
           | advertising. You have a circle of friends on Twitter, your
           | friends recommend your product to their friends, and so on.
           | If your Twitter content is interesting and valuable, you
           | might even get members of the media to follow you. Or at
           | least members of the media might be following one of your
           | followers and happens to see your product that way.
        
             | time_to_smile wrote:
             | I'm genuinely curious if you've measured this, and how you
             | determined the impact of twitter on your business.
             | 
             | It's certainly possible that other people have different
             | success with twitter.
             | 
             | In my case I was looking over thousands of websites traffic
             | history primarily concerned with long term patterns of
             | growth based on activity among different social channels,
             | SEO, news aggregators etc. The vast majority of sites
             | primarily saw permanent growth in traffic as a function of
             | SEO success. One high ranking article can get you a
             | increase in average traffic that can last as long as you're
             | on top. The only sites that didn't benefit from SEO are
             | buzzfeed-style sites that exist solely from a constant
             | stream of traffic coming from new articles in news
             | aggregators. But Twitter doesn't generate a substantial
             | burst in traffic that reddit or other sites do. Plus if
             | you're popular on reddit, you will be reposted to twitter
             | without any effort.
             | 
             | I should add that when I discovered this I was unhappy
             | about it, as I was currently spending a lot of time on
             | Twitter promoting my own project. I really enjoyed twitter
             | at the time, and it _felt_ like I was succeeding. I wanted
             | all my tweeting to be a valuable activity. After doing the
             | numbers I periodically would just stop using twitter for
             | months with zero impact on website traffic.
        
               | lapcat wrote:
               | > I'm genuinely curious if you've measured this, and how
               | you determined the impact of twitter on your business.
               | 
               | Well, Twitter is basically my only form of promotion. :-)
               | 
               | I've tried a number of forms of advertising, the results
               | of which I can measure directly, but I've lost money
               | every time, so I usually don't bother with that.
               | 
               | There are times when I can measure Twitter's impact
               | directly. For example, I once had a very viral tweet that
               | immediately resulted in a massive sales week. Admittedly,
               | that's pretty rare though.
        
           | jklinger410 wrote:
           | > I did some analysis on a pretty large number of domains and
           | found that Twitter had virtually no impact on traffic. There
           | were brands that had a large twitter following, but in nearly
           | every case I could find this was because a popular brand
           | happened to have an audience that also was active on Twitter,
           | not because Twitter activity helped to grow their brand.
           | 
           | How did you perform this research?
        
             | time_to_smile wrote:
             | Many years ago at a small private company that had access
             | to thousands of Google analytics accounts ranging from
             | recognizable name brands to people just trying to get
             | started. You could actively watch small brands grow big
             | over history and in all cases it was clear that twitter
             | success (in terms of traffic from twitter and follower
             | count) trailed brand development.
             | 
             | This was also not universally true of all social media.
             | Facebook for example did precede growth in quite a few
             | cases.
             | 
             | I also want to repeat the caveat that this was quite awhile
             | back, so I wouldn't give it too much credence for today.
             | 
             | However my Twitter critique also grows out of several
             | cycles of activity and inactivity over many years running a
             | reasonably high traffic (for it's niche) blog and seeing
             | these same observations. Twitter activity only caused minor
             | bumps in traffic, and never correlated with a shift in the
             | baseline readership.
             | 
             | Others here claim different experience, and it's quite
             | possible they are correct. I have found personally that
             | it's very easy to conflate the "feels good" of getting a
             | lot of likes/follower/etc with the illusion that "this is
             | working". Twitter is like a micro HN front page, only at
             | least with HN you'll get a pretty ego inflating spike upon
             | success (which is in practice is bad for marketing because
             | it makes it easy to focus on the things that feel good over
             | the things that work).
             | 
             | For better or worse the best source of consistent increases
             | in traffic was (and from my experience still is) SEO. A
             | high ranking post will have the highest probability of
             | shifting your baseline traffic up.
        
               | affectsk wrote:
               | Yeah, I wouldn't rely on it as a primary marketing
               | channel in most cases, especially if I had to build it
               | from the ground up.
               | 
               | Conflating "feels good" with "this is working" is right
               | on point, too.
               | 
               | I'm sure it works better as a marketing channel for
               | specific niches, though (just like Instagram works best
               | for certain types of brands).
               | 
               | Other than that, it's just a good place for all kinds of
               | organic engagement in general if that's where your
               | audience is. Not necessarily marketing.
        
         | is_true wrote:
         | I use it to follow people that share technical content about
         | topics I'm interested in. If I see they use it to share
         | political opinions or personal life stuff I just unfollow them
        
         | maxsilver wrote:
         | Twitter is the only major social network that I actually 'get'.
         | 
         | Instagram is great, but it only works if you take good
         | pictures. You have to be pretty, or a photographer. It's super
         | great for that, but minimum effort needed per post is high, so
         | engagement sort of has to be low.
         | 
         | Reddit is great, but it's not really 'social' so much as it's a
         | generic-access to monopolized forums. It feels like a catalog
         | of phpBB forums from the 2000's. It's great for general
         | knowledge stuff (if you are like, 'fan of videogame series' or
         | 'long-time active in trains' or such, Reddit's great). But it
         | doesn't feel social, I don't know anyone from reddit, I've
         | never met a person from Reddit.
         | 
         | Facebook is bad, and is also too "real" (pretend real, Zuck's
         | definition of real). If your personal persona, professional
         | persona, immediately-family persona, and extended-family
         | persona are all exactly identical, then Facebook seems great
         | for you. Personally, I hate it, everything I post gets sent to
         | my parents and grandma, and like half of my company org chart,
         | which means I can't write anything real on there, even though
         | ostensibly they are all my "friends". (Am I going to unfriend
         | my work friends or my extended family?). Sure, you can 'scope'
         | your posts, but then people can eventually tell they're scoped
         | poorly and complained. And the people who are on there, are
         | predominantly people full of terrible political views that no
         | sane person should ever hold -- I do not want to have to spend
         | every waking moment telling folks, "yes, humans should have
         | rights. People are not property." and so on.
         | 
         | Twitter is pretty good. It's _techie enough_ that my parents
         | and grandma can 't "get it", and aren't tempted to make an
         | account. It's _techie enough_ that most of my professional
         | contacts are on there, but there 's a cultural assumption that
         | (as a tiny account with few followers) I can be my authentic
         | self and not get completely in trouble. (I can say something
         | like, "attending a Pride parade" and have that sit next to
         | "released a new version of my cool rubygem" and not get in
         | trouble professionally over it, or have my parents yell at me
         | -- both real things that would 100% happen if I posted that
         | same blurb on Facebook). There's no assumption of Twitter
         | implying friendship (I can follow people I've never met, who
         | I'm not 'friends' with) but close relationships can still grow
         | without having to label it (I can be 'mutuals' with someone,
         | without trying to imply they are my friend).
         | 
         | If your net is too wide, you can set up a private "alt" account
         | and lock it, so your closer friends/contacts can see stuff that
         | might otherwise get you in trouble with the broader community
         | -- and since it's a different account, there's no assumption
         | every follower of the one should see all of the other too (it
         | gets around the facebook/scoping problem that way)
         | 
         | Twitter gives you a really good pulse about what people _want_
         | to care about _publicly_ which is useful information (so much
         | as you don 't mistake it for what people _actually_ care about,
         | or for the sum total of _all_ they 're thinking).
         | 
         | Generally speaking, Twitter is the only major Social Network
         | that still feels...well, _social_.
        
           | affectsk wrote:
           | That's exactly how I feel about it! Couldn't have put it
           | better myself.
           | 
           | Posting on Facebook, LinkedIn or even Instagram feels like
           | making a statement. I can't just throw a random thought or a
           | picture in there, it feels out of place.
           | 
           | On the other hand, Twitter is a lot more casual. It works
           | perfectly for stuff you wouldn't think twice about. Thoughts,
           | jokes, ideas, pictures. Doesn't matter.
           | 
           | And yes, it's perfect for socializing. Little difference
           | between tweets and replies means you can easily spend most of
           | your time not posting anything and just replying to other
           | people's content and get value out of it.
        
         | azemetre wrote:
         | I honestly agree, I absolutely hate how twitter is used in the
         | dev sphere too. There will be ample discussions about the
         | future of a library only made on twitter never referenced
         | elsewhere.
         | 
         | It's maddening. So maddening that I'm slowly becoming
         | delusional about the web's future.
        
         | oh_sigh wrote:
         | The problem might be - it sounds like you're using your twitter
         | account for marketing, not interacting with people. Personal
         | twitter accounts can actually be good places to do self
         | marketing, but you need to put in the work to actually grow
         | your network first, because you don't generally grow it from
         | marketing itself.
         | 
         | Basically, first you need to follow a bunch of people that
         | interest you, and interact with them in some manner. Do this
         | enough and you will get followers back, and people will start
         | interacting with you, and that will draw more people in, etc.
        
         | baisq wrote:
         | Others read what you post and you read what others post. What
         | is there to get? I can understand not liking the format or
         | similar concerns, but if you don't get Twitter... did you not
         | get irc also?
        
         | mrtksn wrote:
         | The author himsel doesn't have any considerable following, the
         | article is more like collection of thoughts and hypotheses.
         | It's not that it's bad but IMHO shouldn't be considered
         | authoritative.
         | 
         | There's this phrase "medium is the message" and I think it
         | holds very well with Twitter. The message is outrage. The
         | message is, be angry and be afraid and be insecure or no one
         | cares.
        
           | affectsk wrote:
           | If you're there to go viral then sure, outrage can work -
           | just like it does anywhere else.
           | 
           | But I'd argue most people aren't there to go viral or cause a
           | ruckus. And in that case you can have a great time on Twitter
           | with a relatively small following.
           | 
           | (Not to say I would mind having more followers, of course -
           | but it's not the goal)
        
         | affectsk wrote:
         | It's primarily about what you want out of it.
         | 
         | The first few times I tried using Twitter to promote my stuff
         | and failed miserably. If you're there purely for promotion you
         | won't get far, and it's definitely not the best channel for
         | that purpose. (Especially if it feels like a slog to you).
         | 
         | If you're there to interact with like-minded people AND share
         | something you're working on in the process, that's a different
         | story. Still takes effort, though.
        
         | the_gipsy wrote:
         | Ok, I'll let you in: you're either already famous, or you have
         | a huge curated network of bidirectional followers from the
         | early days. Then it works.
        
           | bombcar wrote:
           | Which distills down to: either you're famous or you're
           | famous.
        
         | PKop wrote:
         | It's a resource to learn and follow smart and interesting
         | people who know a lot about different subjects you're
         | interested in (lists are good for this purpose). _You_ tweeting
         | is not necessary at all to get value out of twitter.
         | 
         | I've learned a ton about economics, geopolitics, history,
         | Bitcoin, finance, health and nutrition and software development
         | on Twitter (have lists for some of these, while much is just in
         | my main feed).
        
         | fluidcruft wrote:
         | Twitter for me works nicely once I started to think of it as a
         | sort of light/unstructured RSS replacement. I follow people who
         | don't chat a lot and mostly post announcements. But also I
         | follow people working in fairly niche topics.
        
         | SL61 wrote:
         | The thing with Twitter is you need a decent number of mutuals
         | (i.e. they follow you and you follow them) to get a decent
         | amount of high-quality interaction. On a new account with 0
         | followers, most people won't see you. Even if you reply to a
         | popular tweet, most people will ignore your reply because of
         | your low follower count.
         | 
         | I have two Twitter accounts: a pseudonymous one with a few
         | hundred followers where I talk about my hobbies, and a
         | professional one with a very low follower count where I talk
         | about tech.
         | 
         | The first account is a lot of fun - I can post about something
         | and 5-10 of my Twitter friends (people with shared interests
         | who I only know via Twitter) will chat with me about it. The
         | professional one is giving me the experience you're describing.
         | A couple coworkers follow me and a few random people, but not
         | enough of an audience for anyone to see my tweets. It feels
         | like a waste of time.
         | 
         | I consider it a design flaw that Twitter makes it so hard to
         | get your account off the ground. Sites like HN and Reddit allow
         | you to jump in the conversation on a fresh account, but on
         | Twitter you're just invisible. I got my first account up and
         | running thanks to some real-life friends following me, and I
         | can't imagine how to make my professional account stand out.
        
           | anyfoo wrote:
           | > The thing with Twitter is you need a decent number of
           | mutuals (i.e. they follow you and you follow them) to get a
           | decent amount of high-quality interaction.
           | 
           | I did that for an eletronics-related hobby of mine. Took a
           | while, finally got it off the ground with some mutuals.
           | 
           | And then it felt... weird. Like I was compressing down my
           | thoughts, for mostly performative purposes no less. I didn't
           | like communicating with my peers _that way_ instead of, say,
           | per email or even chat (IRC, Discord, whatever). I felt I had
           | to say  "what was on my mind right now" instead of processing
           | anything beforehand, but without the more direct
           | conversational back and forth of chat.
           | 
           | Another problem I noticed: Almost every technical account
           | with a minimum number of followers has this barrage of people
           | that are doing quips, making dubious statements, or just
           | asking simple or also dubious questions to almost every
           | tweet, where even the questions seemed performative. Even the
           | most kind and engaged originators seem to ignore them the
           | overwhelming majority of the time, probably because it's too
           | much to handle.
           | 
           | It was not for me. Unlike blogs, it did not add anything to
           | my hobby.
        
           | affectsk wrote:
           | Yup, getting it off the ground was the hard part!
           | 
           | My experience was exactly the same as what you've had with
           | your professional account. LinkedIn just made more sense for
           | professional stuff, so I stayed there.
           | 
           | In my case having a separate Twitter account for hobbies
           | didn't make too much sense either since I didn't really have
           | any, haha.
           | 
           | It wasn't until I figured out how to combine my personal and
           | professional stuff that I really "got it". And even then,
           | it's still quite a bit of work if you want to stay visible.
        
       | bekantan wrote:
       | I picked up Twitter in 2021 after a longer break.
       | 
       | Today I prefer lists over following and have several prioritized
       | lists per interest, e.g. P0, P1, ..., Pn for programmers.
       | 
       | When I want to see what's going on, I start with level zero.
       | 
       | Very few people on my lists tweet every day. I enjoy reading
       | people who tweet about new insights within their current area of
       | interest - this rarely happens more than once per week. I aspire
       | to have such account myself. I don't mind staying silent if I
       | don't have something interesting to share.
        
       | mewse-hn wrote:
       | I'm 40 and never "got" twitter either. I started to dip my toes
       | in it very casually over the past year or two, but now the Elon
       | Musk acquisition got me to bail.
       | 
       | I don't have much regard for people who consider themselves
       | "extremely online" because they spend hours in the vast echo
       | chamber of the twit-sphere - especially journalists. Everyone
       | knows the superior option is posting to weird esoteric message
       | boards with an orange bar at the top
        
         | criddell wrote:
         | Musk has said he wants to make Twitter a free speech hub once
         | again. On Twitter, people are asking him if he would take down
         | the video of the Buffalo supermarket gunman killing shoppers or
         | leave it up and so far I don't think he's answered.
         | 
         | Musk wants to make changes, but it isn't clear exactly what
         | changes he would make.
        
       | WalterBright wrote:
       | I discovered that Twitter replaces having an email list for
       | business. You aren't spamming people, they sign up to follow you.
       | The idea is to keep your tweets interesting to people who are
       | using your products and services.
       | 
       | A corollary is to not use it to post personal stuff or politics.
       | 
       | I wish the technical people I follow on Twitter would leave the
       | politics out, I follow them for their technical insights.
        
         | huhtenberg wrote:
         | That's the way to use it for disseminating the information,
         | 100%.
         | 
         | Been doing it for a while for several projects and it's a
         | fantastic broadcast tool to keep _interested_ people updated on
         | news they want to hear. The main trick is to never waver off
         | topic.
         | 
         | This doesn't replace a mailing list though. Not even close.
         | There are simply parts of the target audience that aren't on
         | Twitter. So Twitter needs to be _combined_ with the newsletter,
         | the RSS feed, a dedicated sub on Reddit and what have you.
         | Together these result in a lot of reach. They also cross-
         | pollinate well.
        
         | bachmeier wrote:
         | > I wish the technical people I follow on Twitter would leave
         | the politics out, I follow them for their technical insights.
         | 
         | I think this is a significant flaw in the design of Twitter.
         | You should be able to follow a subset of someone else's tweets
         | rather than the binary all/nothing we have now.
        
           | munificent wrote:
           | Honestly, it's a significant flaw in the design of humans.
           | 
           | When interacting with a human, I did not sign up for them
           | being a complete holistic personality with hopes, dreams,
           | beliefs, history, etc. I just want direct access to some
           | personally chosen subset of their brain. Why do I have to
           | deal with their messy... ugh... _peopleness_?
        
             | bachmeier wrote:
             | > Honestly, it's a significant flaw in the design of
             | humans.
             | 
             | Yes. And they do wonderful things with technology these
             | days that can help us get around those flaws.
        
         | lapcat wrote:
         | > I wish the technical people I follow on Twitter would leave
         | the politics out, I follow them for their technical insights.
         | 
         | You need a very large muted keywords list.
        
         | altdataseller wrote:
         | It's a good supplement for an email list, but having it replace
         | your email list would be a huge business risk. What if they
         | implement some sort of algorithm change that dramatically
         | reduces how often your tweets appear in timelines? You control
         | your email list, but Twitter controls your twitter profile.
        
         | tootie wrote:
         | The addressable market of Twitter users is probably 1% that of
         | email.
        
         | xen2xen1 wrote:
         | Seconded. I've tried to follow technical / subject folks, but
         | the politics is constantly there. Maybe next try I'll block the
         | folks who crap out the politics so I don't follow them again,
         | which I've done multiple times.
        
           | WalterBright wrote:
           | It's not that _I_ mind them tweeting their politics that
           | much, it 's that I don't want them annoying my followers.
        
       | fortuna86 wrote:
       | It's an RSS feed for people.
        
       | fleddr wrote:
       | A lot of people are familiar with the 90-9-1 rule regarding
       | social networks. 90% is just lurking and never tweets, 9% might
       | occasionally tweet, and 1% writes most tweets, or more
       | accurately...writes the tweets that generate the most engagement.
       | 
       | What not everybody understands is that this rule pretty much also
       | applies to every individual. If you have a 1000 followers, you
       | should very much assume that 90% never even sees your tweets. 10%
       | might see it, of which possibly 1% bothers to lift their finger
       | and like it. An even smaller percentage might make the gigantic
       | effort of typing a comment.
       | 
       | These numbers roughly play out on the author's twitter profile
       | where the typical post has 0-1 likes with the occasional outlier
       | of 3-5 likes, and in general...almost no comments at all. So the
       | roughly 500 followers add up to this tiny amount of actual
       | engagement that you can substantiate to about 5 people. It's a
       | very rough guidance, but dividing followers by a 100 can't be far
       | off in trying to come to a meaningful following.
       | 
       | If you think that's pessimistic, consider this extreme example:
       | 
       | https://twitter.com/nytimes
       | 
       | The NYTimes has a stunning 53M followers. When you scroll through
       | their feed, notice how the typical tweet struggles to even get
       | 100 likes or comments. There's the occasional outlier regarding
       | politically impactful tweets, but even those fail to impress.
       | 
       | If we are to take their "typical" tweet and round that up to 100
       | likes / comments, which is already optimistic, we're talking
       | about an engagement percentage of 0.0002%, or 1 in 5,000
       | followers engaging.
       | 
       | When you do this same exercise for somebody that truly gets
       | Twitter, Elon Musk (for better or worse), we're talking about
       | roughly 1 in 1,000 followers engaging.
       | 
       | This doesn't even account for bots. And it also doesn't go into
       | the issue of actual engagement typically being of a very low
       | quality, hardly enriching.
       | 
       | In my view, both Instagram and Twitter are not great for
       | community building or rich conversations. Good old forums,
       | reddit, HN, Discord and even Facebook groups are vastly superior
       | at it.
        
       | dynamic_sausage wrote:
       | Twitter is great for threads posting science-related curiosities,
       | you just need to follow the right people. Here are two awesome
       | accounts of general interest
       | 
       | https://twitter.com/Rainmaker1973
       | 
       | https://twitter.com/gunsnrosesgirl3
       | 
       | It also makes sense to follow experts in one's field. Gabriel
       | Peyre regularly posts computational math stuff of superb quality:
       | 
       | https://twitter.com/gabrielpeyre
        
       | lizardactivist wrote:
       | I'm sorry to hear that.
        
       | par wrote:
       | If someone has to create such a long justification for why they
       | need to use twitter, i'm still not convinced it has any value. So
       | far in my experience twitter is primarily an echo chamber for
       | VC's to pat each other on the back. I even aggressively try to
       | mute/unfollow them, but engaging with any tech topic just seems
       | to force me into VC twitter. I don't really care for it.
        
       | oneoff786 wrote:
       | I've enjoyed Twitter as a way to find experts on Ukraine. But it
       | seems pretty niche. It only seems useful to me for extremely
       | recent events on unfamiliar topics.
        
         | [deleted]
        
       | matsemann wrote:
       | I've recently done the same. Had a dormant firstname+lastname
       | twitter profile for years. But made a new one for a niche a few
       | months ago. Only follow and interact related to that niche, and I
       | get lots of engagement on the stuff I post. 900+ followers
       | already.
       | 
       | What I think makes a difference is that the name of my account
       | tells what you can expect. So if someone sees a comment from me,
       | the chance of them following me is higher as they know I will
       | only post related stuff, compared to following some random person
       | making a single great comment, and then getting all their other
       | stuff in your feed.
       | 
       | I now also chat regularly on DMs with other people in the niche,
       | get recognized sometimes IRL and end up in conversations based on
       | it etc. So actually been some interesting months.
       | 
       | Edit: I guess this also depends on the niche. For me that niche
       | is just a hobby, which means that most of my interactions are
       | pleasant. So pretty different experience compared to if one's
       | following controversial topics/figures.
        
       | isthmus wrote:
       | Yeah, it's a newsfeed timesink. It's just gotten better as the
       | feed has improved.
        
       | russellbeattie wrote:
       | Twitter is about writing a quick thought to get it out of your
       | system and hoping some of your followers actually sees it, which
       | statistically, they won't. I wrote an analysis 12 years ago about
       | it (below). With the passage of time it's clear that without AI
       | algorithms, Twitter (and other social networks) would be totally
       | useless, instead of mostly useless, as it is today.
       | 
       | I didn't get how good AI was going to get back then so I assumed
       | Twitter (which was only 4 years old at that point) was a fad that
       | would eventually fade. Missed that call. Instead it became the
       | greatest tool for spreading misinformation that humankind has
       | ever created. Woops.
       | 
       | I stopped using Twitter on January 20th, 2016 and deleted all my
       | previous tweets, likes and followers. I only have an account now
       | as a placeholder. I encourage you to do the same.
       | 
       | https://www.russellbeattie.com/blog/drinking-from-the-fireho...
        
         | affectsk wrote:
         | Enjoyed the article!
         | 
         | Phased attention and transient information is exactly how I see
         | Twitter myself. Trying to stay on top of everything is out of
         | question.
         | 
         | I think of Twitter as an ongoing party that I can drop by, see
         | what's up, chat with a few friends, make a few new friends,
         | have a little fun, move on until next time.
         | 
         | This approach only makes sense when you have a "community" of
         | people on Twitter that you "belong" to. That's the part I was
         | missing back when I tried it originally.
        
       | TheRealNGenius wrote:
       | Ah yes, figured out Twitter...
       | 
       | ...although to express this, you need more than 140 characters...
        
       | IG999 wrote:
        
       | joshu wrote:
       | twitter is a game. the main move is saying things that get a
       | reaction. your score is the number of likes/responses/follows.
       | getting follows let you get a bigger reaction.
        
         | pohl wrote:
         | I bet that, for most people, it's just a feed. Most Twitter
         | users probably just follow what's interesting and doom-scroll
         | without tweeting. It's only really a game for the minority that
         | wants to call attention to themselves.
        
       | RajT88 wrote:
       | I don't know if you really "get" twitter until you've had a
       | throw-away tweet from 7 years ago dredged up and used to try and
       | destroy you.
        
         | affectsk wrote:
         | I guess that's one benefit of not having started earlier!
        
         | madeofpalk wrote:
         | The best I've had is being suspended for a 7 year old "kill all
         | boomers" tweet :(
        
         | rodgerd wrote:
         | I auto-delete my tweets after three months so _shrug_
        
       | pessimizer wrote:
       | _What is twitter?_ 1) Major-, mini-, and micro-celebrities making
       | declarations in a quotable form, and 2) their fans and anti-fans
       | either trying to figure out a witty way to compliment them,
       | ridicule them, or become them by adding to or topping their
       | declarations.
       | 
       |  _How to do twitter well?_ Specialize in a subject or two. Join
       | defacto voting rings through popular hashtags within your subject
       | 's community and subtle hot-keyword-of-the-day stuffing. Steal
       | jokes from nobodies. Reply to every tweet from a popular account.
       | Bait popular accounts into fights.
        
         | [deleted]
        
       | lupire wrote:
       | TL;DR: Twitter is useful if you want to read stuff or write stuff
       | (mostly short stuff), without any particular structure.
       | 
       | Not sure what the revelation is
        
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