[HN Gopher] Sugar deposits found under seagrass meadows
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       Sugar deposits found under seagrass meadows
        
       Author : nradov
       Score  : 187 points
       Date   : 2022-05-23 12:47 UTC (10 hours ago)
        
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       | Tepix wrote:
       | > _The study reported that the giant piles of excess sugar were
       | not being consumed by the bacteria due to phenolic compounds
       | released by the seagrass, which cannot be digested by many
       | microorganisms. This was a key finding for the researchers, as it
       | confirms that the carbon in the sugar stays in these underwater
       | ecosystems and out of the atmosphere._
       | 
       | Interesting, sugar is so energy dense, isn't it just a matter of
       | time until some organism figures out how to take advantage of it
       | despite the phenols?
        
         | devoutsalsa wrote:
         | I'd guess that's correct. It reminds me of the Carboniferous
         | era when there weren't any organisms around that could eat
         | lignin, so dead trees just piled up until they were so thick,
         | they turned into coal.
         | 
         | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carboniferous
        
           | fbanon wrote:
        
             | quantified wrote:
             | Downvotes indicate a lack of appreciation for your sarcasm.
             | No tone of voice available when writing.
        
               | guerrilla wrote:
               | I'm not sure why you think it was sarcasm... the video is
               | literally about that. 5.2K people liked that video, so
               | how do we know that person isn't one of them?
        
               | quantified wrote:
               | If it was sarcasm, I've given them a useful tip. If it
               | wasn't, I've gently trolled them. You couldn't hear my
               | tone either.
        
           | atombender wrote:
           | Note that this hypothesis has been challenged, e.g. here [1]
           | (paper here [2]).
           | 
           | [1] https://www.earthmagazine.org/article/lack-fungi-did-not-
           | lea...
           | 
           | [2] https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1517943113
        
         | pfortuny wrote:
         | Honest question: don't animals do it? Or do you mean
         | "microorganisms"?
        
           | gumby wrote:
           | Many (most?) animals cannot digest straight glucose, e.g.
           | cats, which are obligate carnivores. I suspect most animals
           | would have to be able to digest starches to be able to
           | process sugars (though a good exception is the bee, so my
           | surmise could be bogus).
           | 
           | I believe that cats don't even have sweet taste receptors.
           | I've done "experiments" over the years, offering my own food
           | to various of our household (terrestrial) pets. Cats and
           | rodents are the most picky; dogs will eat a proper superset
           | of what cats do, except that I have never had a dog that
           | liked drinking milk (eating cheese, though, sure, and ice
           | cream). Dogs seem OK with sugar (not crazy about it) cats are
           | utterly uninterested.
        
             | fingerlocks wrote:
             | I was curious, so I just mixed a teaspoon of sugar and
             | water into a paste and put it in my dogs' bowls. Two
             | completely different breeds. Both went crazy for it. Both
             | love Milk too. Neither dog will eat raw fruit
        
               | yetihehe wrote:
               | I had a dog which was absolutely crazy for cucumbers. He
               | was typically sneaking into garden, sniffing for
               | cucumbers among leaves, took it out and eat it. When I
               | was peeling cucumber, he was salivating and whimpering to
               | eat peelings, he would get angry if I didn't share at
               | least some of of them. My current dog eats almost
               | anything (he didn't like raw lemon), including most
               | fabrics, but he's only a year old. Had to electrify the
               | garden though because he digged and tried to eat compost.
        
             | colechristensen wrote:
             | An ancestor of all cat species lost a gene required for
             | sweet taste, so none of them could taste sugar which could
             | be why they became obligate carnivores.
        
           | nisegami wrote:
           | The key here is "despite the phenols". What any such organism
           | would need to develop is not so much a way to use the sugar,
           | but rather a way to safeguard against phenols.
        
             | pfortuny wrote:
             | Thanks.
        
         | grammers wrote:
         | Until some bacteria mutates to digest it. It's definitely not a
         | long-term solution.
        
         | bin_bash wrote:
         | Well the purpose of jam is to conserve fruit with sugar so
         | maybe not. Honey also doesn't spoil even after thousands of
         | years.
        
         | rightbyte wrote:
         | Sugar is a conservant too. Kills organisms by osmosis.
        
           | dylan604 wrote:
           | It is a very slow process though
        
           | tambourine_man wrote:
           | Only in much, much higher concentrations, like those of
           | honey.
        
       | kemiller wrote:
       | This is fascinating but how long before some enterprising person
       | mines it and puts it in chic packaging and sells it to bougie
       | consumers as "sea sugar" with implied health benefits?
        
         | gibolt wrote:
         | Or labels it as organic, and green? While actually damaging an
         | ocean ecosystem (that may help fend off climate change)
        
         | ghostbrainalpha wrote:
         | I wouldn't put that out there on this forum. It's full of
         | entrepreneurial persons who might like that idea.
        
       | aaron695 wrote:
        
       | say_it_as_it_is wrote:
       | Oh no. People are burning down the Brazilian rain forest for even
       | less to gain.
        
       | asn1parse wrote:
       | i dont often observe clickbait rise in these ranks
        
       | calebm wrote:
       | This doesn't seem particularly novel. It's already well
       | understood that plants deposit sugar into the ground they grow in
       | to encourage beneficial bacterial and fungal growth. It's
       | basically the plants gut:
       | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhizosphere
        
       | mothsonasloth wrote:
       | New Coke, now made with high sucrose seagrass syrup.
        
       | notorandit wrote:
       | Cool! So everyone will try to harvest that sugar (maybe to
       | produce fuel?) so even more carbon can be released. Hot!
        
       | ordu wrote:
       | So in treacle mines[1] people mine for sugar from a prehistoric
       | sea?
       | 
       | [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treacle_mining
        
       | yalogin wrote:
       | I don't understand the significance of this. What if we found
       | huge quantities of sugar, what does it mean to me, to the oceans,
       | to the environment? Not trying to be flippant, I am not able to
       | make the connection, but can someone dumb it down and spell it
       | out for me?
        
       | DeathArrow wrote:
       | It seems it's not enough to exploit it as fuel.
        
       | blakesterz wrote:
       | "That is roughly comparable to the amount of sugar in 32 billion
       | cans of Coke!"
       | 
       | That's a unique unit of measure I've not seen before. I know in
       | one of Gary Larson's old books he had a comment on his
       | "skeletonize a cow in less than a minute" comic about how he
       | loves weird units of measurement like this.
       | 
       | https://ifunny.co/picture/MMQBLmZr5
        
         | [deleted]
        
         | yetihehe wrote:
         | There's a meme that americans will use anything to avoid metric
         | system. Typically with examples like "hole in the road with the
         | size of 2 washing machines".
        
           | titzer wrote:
           | American here, lived in Europe a while, but back.
           | 
           | I got decent with meters. Recently, I've been thinking about
           | ways to visualize a billion. Here's one:
           | 
           | There's a billion cubic millimeters in a cubic meter (cubic
           | yard). If you take a meter (yardstick) and visualize the 1000
           | millimeters in it, then make a plane of that 1000x1000, i.e.
           | a million, then stack a thousand of those, that's a billion.
           | 
           | I still can't get my head around it, TBH. A billion is a lot!
           | 
           | But "billion cubes" are a nice unit; you can stack up a lot
           | of them to get more billions.
        
           | AaronM wrote:
           | I wonder if folks do that because its easier to picture a
           | hole the size of two washing machines. That would be like 4-6
           | sq ft which can be more difficult to visualize.
        
           | sandworm101 wrote:
           | It can get more extremes than memes. Some government agencies
           | have policies specifically avoiding the metric system in
           | public announcements. Issue a statement about a 30 centimeter
           | wave event and a good percentage of people in coastal areas
           | might panic. Trial attorneys also coach witnesses to never
           | speak in metric as at least one person on every jury won't be
           | able to follow ... and two more will hate you for forcing
           | them to remember words they last heard in highschool.
        
           | badwolf wrote:
           | I like the "Large boulder the size of a small boulder"
           | measurement system by the San Miguel Sheriff. -
           | https://twitter.com/SheriffAlert/status/1221881862244749315
        
             | xeromal wrote:
             | This is great lol
        
           | tmountain wrote:
           | There's a great Simpsons joke where Grandpa says, "the metric
           | system is the tool of the devil, my car gets 40 rods to the
           | hog's head, and that's the way I like it!"
           | 
           | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5-s-4KPtD8
        
             | gen220 wrote:
             | For those who are curious, 1 rod is 0.003125 miles. Thus,
             | 40 rods is 0.125 miles. 1 hogshead is 1/63 of a US gallon.
             | 
             | Thus, 40 rods to the hog's head is 7.875 miles per gallon,
             | 29.87 L/100km, or 3.348 km/L.
             | 
             | EDIT: sorry, 1 hogshead is 63 US gallons. This comes to
             | about 0.002 miles per gallon... yikes! (divide all the
             | numbers in the previous paragraph by 63^2)
        
               | dwighttk wrote:
               | Huh. Why is a hogshead so small? If you had asked me to
               | guess I would have said like 3 1/32nd (or some weird
               | small additional amount) gallons.
               | 
               | Wait. I'm seeing that hogshead is like 63 "wine" gallons,
               | not 1/63 gallon. (Not sure conversion of wine gallons to
               | usual gallons though.)
        
               | gen220 wrote:
               | Ooh you're totally right, thank you for pointing it out!
               | 
               | I think my brain was subconsciously seeking a miles-per-
               | gallon result in a "reasonable" order of magnitude.
               | Edited original comment.
        
               | dwighttk wrote:
               | They don't make hogs like they used to
        
               | BizarroLand wrote:
               | From a quick search it seems both a normal gallon and a
               | wine gallon are measured at 231 cubic cm of liquid, so
               | they're the same. There is a proof gallon which only
               | counts the ethanol content of the liquid towards the
               | gallon, so a 100 proof alcohol would require 2 gallons of
               | liquid to equal 1 proof gallon of liquor.
        
             | cossatot wrote:
             | The greatest Simpsons car-and-measurement-unit bit is of
             | course this one: "She'll go 300 hectares on a single tank
             | of kerosene" which maybe makes sense if you're plowing a
             | field... Part of a pretty amazing 20 second bit. Pure old
             | Simpsons gold.
             | 
             | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07vdtBMG4Kg
        
               | drewzero1 wrote:
               | If you wish that 20 seconds would last a little longer,
               | and also be remixed into a song, check out "Put it in H"
               | by Dankmus.
               | 
               | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HXT7fDkf9I
        
             | chucksta wrote:
             | Those are/were real units
             | 
             | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hogshead
             | 
             | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rod_(unit)
        
               | Sebb767 wrote:
               | So his car takes roughly 300l to move 200m in SI units,
               | or 45000l/100km.
        
               | quantified wrote:
               | That's why it's Grandpa and funny.
        
               | kelseyfrog wrote:
               | Are there, by chance, any fake units that exist?
        
               | gostsamo wrote:
               | Does the Register's measurement converter count?
               | 
               | https://www.theregister.com/Design/page/reg-standards-
               | conver...
        
               | AaronM wrote:
               | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_humorous_units_of_m
               | eas...
        
               | ars wrote:
               | Yes, the smoot
        
               | buttocks wrote:
               | I'm fond of the shit ton.
               | 
               | The Canadian metric equivalent is the metric crap tonne.
        
               | thedrbrian wrote:
               | Us brits have "shed load"
        
               | dwighttk wrote:
               | Buttload is not fake however
        
               | cwillu wrote:
               | The shit tonne and the fuck load come to mind.
        
               | selimthegrim wrote:
               | F**stick?
        
           | irrational wrote:
           | Doesn't "avoid" imply that Americans are actually giving the
           | metric system any thought?
        
           | temp0826 wrote:
           | How many libraries of congresses is that?
        
           | [deleted]
        
           | donthellbanme wrote:
        
           | deaps wrote:
           | I mean that's easier to visualize than saying a "hole in the
           | road that is about 92 cubic centimeters."
        
             | pueblito wrote:
             | Where I'm from, we'd just say "There's a big ass hole in
             | the road"
        
               | ntoskrnl wrote:
               | Around here that's just a normal morning commute
        
               | Tagbert wrote:
               | Is that an imperial ass or a metric ass?
        
             | gus_massa wrote:
             | A big bottle of soda is 1000 or 2000 cubic centimeters. A
             | can of soda is 200 or 300 cubic centimeters. A glass of
             | water has 200 or 300 cubic centimeters. 92 cubic
             | centimeters is half a glass of water.
        
             | Zababa wrote:
             | I think that's because they're not really equivalent. At
             | least for me, a hole the size of 2 washing machines is
             | something that will look close to two washing machines put
             | together. That limits the shape it can have. On the other
             | hand, 92 cubic centimeters doesn't. It could be a 1cm x 1cm
             | x 92cm hole, which wouldn't be possible with 2 washing
             | machines.
             | 
             | If we assume that the two washing machines are side to
             | side, and that the average washing machine is 60cm x 60cm x
             | 85 cm (height), that would be a hole 1.20m width x 60 cm
             | depth x 85 cm height. The washing machine example is still
             | easier to visualize, but it's also better than "a 612 000
             | cubic centimeters hole".
        
               | snovv_crash wrote:
               | You'd say something like "2 cubic metres". Which is
               | roughly the size of 2 washing machines.
        
               | OJFord wrote:
               | I think 'hole in the road' comes with its own
               | visualisation more likely to be accurate than anything
               | you get from 'two washing machines'.
        
               | harry8 wrote:
               | How do you accurately visualize whether "hole in the
               | road" means you saying "what was that?" And driving on
               | without slowing. Or whether the hole will require a crane
               | to get your car to a place where it can be towed if you,
               | possibly inadvertently, attempt to drive over it?
        
               | OJFord wrote:
               | I meant regarding shape.
        
               | replygirl wrote:
               | holes can be all sorts of shapes
        
               | OJFord wrote:
               | But rarely like washing machines. (Which can also be all
               | sorts of shapes anyway.)
        
               | brewdad wrote:
               | Aside from side by side vs stackable, every washing
               | machine I've ever encountered is roughly the same shape.
               | Some edges are rounder and the door might be on the front
               | or the top but the shape is the same.
        
               | OJFord wrote:
               | The vast majority are approximately cuboid boxes, sure.
               | Ever seen a hole in the road like that?
        
               | brk wrote:
               | So like 1/20th of a cubic fathom?
        
             | peoplefromibiza wrote:
             | > hole in the road that is about 92 cubic centimeters
             | 
             | 92 cubic centimeters is a pretty small hole...
             | 
             | a hole in the road 1.5mx80cmx60cm is pretty easy to
             | understand or imagine, when you know metric system and
             | absolutely trivial to convert: ~0.70 cubic meters or ~700
             | liters or ~700.000 cubic centimeters
             | 
             | Washing machines comes of all sizes.
             | 
             | Is it like the slim one I have at home to save space or
             | like the ones I find in laundromats?
             | 
             | Metric units have standards.
             | 
             | I don't know how many people would understand "a hole in
             | the road the size of 137 trays of home made tiramisu"
             | 
             | TBF here too when the media want to make analogies, they
             | are pretty terrible: "an asteroid the size of 8 soccer
             | fields" means nothing to me, ~800 meters makes much more
             | sense.
        
         | dhosek wrote:
         | I'm fond of odd measures. I like to say that something is the
         | size of a [?]'s head, for example, "that burger is the size of
         | a cat's head." I also will describe a date as being a week and
         | a half from some arbitrary date.
        
           | __MatrixMan__ wrote:
           | I used to work in a produce department, so I do the same
           | thing but with fruits and veggies.
        
             | somishere wrote:
             | V. useful for your next pregnancy
        
           | johncoltrane wrote:
           | I dread my coming house move because of how many billies of
           | books I have :-).
        
             | dhosek wrote:
             | My problem with moving is always that once I've unpacked
             | the books and the music stuff, I tend to lose interest so I
             | end up with boxes of stuff lurking for months afterwards.
             | Being married helps a bit, but my wife has her own blind
             | spots and we still have boxes in the basement eleven years
             | later that have yet to be unpacked.
        
             | Wohlf wrote:
             | When it comes to moving books I measure in how many days it
             | will take to stop being sore.
        
           | cobbal wrote:
           | I do a very similar thing. Sometimes when I describe my
           | height, I'm "five and a half foot, nine"
        
         | memling wrote:
         | > That's a unique unit of measure I've not seen before.
         | 
         | There are some fun Wikipedia entries on the subject:
         | 
         | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unusual_units_of_measu...
         | 
         | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_humorous_units_of_meas...
        
         | 1970-01-01 wrote:
         | A billion hours ago, human life appeared on earth. A billion
         | minutes ago, Christianity emerged. A billion seconds ago, the
         | Beatles changed music. A billion Coca-Colas ago was yesterday
         | morning.
         | 
         | --Robert Goizueta, chief executive of the Coca-Cola Company,
         | April 1997
        
           | slim wrote:
           | so that represents between 32 and 64 days of coca cola
           | production of 1997.
        
         | ajmurmann wrote:
         | Putting it that way made me immediately think that that's less
         | than 4 cans per person. I would have thought that more actual
         | cans of coke were in circulation.
        
           | postingawayonhn wrote:
           | Well they apparently sell nearly 2 billion bottles a day.
        
             | flint wrote:
             | Did you see where OP changed the units of measure from cans
             | to bottles...
        
         | jvanderbot wrote:
         | One evening as the sun went down
         | 
         | And the basalt fire was burning
         | 
         | Down the track came a mermaid swimming
         | 
         | and he say "Boys I'm not turning"
         | 
         | I'm headed for a pond that's far away
         | 
         | beside the seagrass fountains
         | 
         | so come with me and we'll go and see
         | 
         | The big rock candy mountains.
        
       | bozhark wrote:
       | Thank you for changing the title
        
       | monkeybutton wrote:
       | I wonder if would taste good fermented and distilled. There's
       | rarely a source of sugars that humans haven't tried to make into
       | booze.
        
         | nisegami wrote:
         | You might be on to something. It already has phenols, which are
         | basically alcohols. /s
        
         | INTPenis wrote:
         | No let's not take any large quantaties of anything else from
         | the ocean. Leave it.
        
       | christophilus wrote:
       | Wild. Let's hope it never becomes an economically viable thing to
       | harvest.
        
         | VGltZUNvbnN1 wrote:
         | I bet in 1-2 days you will find some twitter users who will
         | write an essay about how we should harvest ocean sugar and
         | plant more wheat instead of corn or sugar beets.
        
       | slackfan wrote:
       | Time to get minin'.
        
       | derriz wrote:
       | "between 0.6 and 1.3 million tons of sugar" doesn't sound like a
       | lot? Humankind is adding 35 BILLION tonnes of carbon dioxide per
       | year.
        
       | vmception wrote:
       | > just one square kilometre of seagrass stores nearly twice as
       | much carbon as forests on land at a rate 35 times faster
       | 
       | Time to kill the seagrass meadows
        
         | tediousdemise wrote:
         | Haha, seriously.
         | 
         | Us humans will completely devastate anything we can get our
         | greedy, shitty little monkey paws on.
        
       | tediousdemise wrote:
       | Cool! But let's give the rampant environmental destruction a
       | break and leave the ocean sugar right where it belongs in its
       | natural ecosystem.
        
       | idbehold wrote:
       | Oh, to live on Sugar Mountain
       | 
       | With the seagrass and their excreted sucrose.
       | 
       | - Neil Young maybe
        
       | late2part wrote:
       | Come on, Charlie! Let's go to Seagrass Meadows!
        
       | photochemsyn wrote:
       | Original paper:
       | 
       | > "Here, we show that the seagrass, Posidonia oceanica excretes
       | sugars, mainly sucrose, into its rhizosphere. These sugars
       | accumulate to uM concentrations--nearly 80 times higher than
       | previously observed in marine environments. This finding is
       | unexpected as sugars are readily consumed by microorganisms. Our
       | experiments indicated that under low oxygen conditions, phenolic
       | compounds from P. oceanica inhibited microbial consumption of
       | sucrose."
       | 
       | https://www.nature.com/articles/s41559-022-01740-z
       | 
       | A sugar like glucose is ~180 grams/mol. A uM concentration of
       | glucose is going to be less than a milligram of sugar per liter
       | of ocean water. In contrast, a liter of Coke contains ~120 grams
       | of sugar (~ 0.6 M).
       | 
       | It's kind of interesting because the seagrass appears to be
       | feeding sugar to bacteria, which might be doing nitrogen fixation
       | in return, but it's hardly 'mountains of sugar'.
        
         | aristophenes wrote:
         | Yes, and the carbon storage of all the seagrass sugar in the
         | world is roughly equivalent to one day of automobile driving in
         | the USA. But everywhere in the article it is phrased to make it
         | appear like a world changing amount of carbon. Why?
        
           | montalbano wrote:
           | I think the point of the article is that understanding how
           | seagrass captures carbon is useful and interesting.
           | 
           | For more relevant numbers, I did a very quick calculation
           | (tell me if you spot a mistake).
           | 
           | Using these numbers [0, 1], the worlds seagrass captures ~5%
           | of US automobile emissions per year.
           | 
           | Another number of interest, the amount of seagrass carbon
           | sequestration is 2 - 4x greater than mature tropical
           | rainforests (per hectare) [0].
           | 
           | Seems to me that seagrass is an organism worth understanding.
           | 
           | [0] https://www.thebluecarboninitiative.org/about-blue-carbon
           | 
           | [1] https://www.statista.com/statistics/1120499/us-road-
           | vehicle-...
        
             | wolfram74 wrote:
             | It's my understanding that early steam engines were pretty
             | rubbish until the underlying thermodynamics were understood
             | and then you could engineer your way to a Watt Engine [0]
             | that was revolutionary. The nearly two order of magnitude
             | superiority of this sea grass on this metric is
             | tantalizing.
             | 
             | [0]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watt_steam_engine
        
             | i386 wrote:
             | > I think the point of the article is that understanding
             | how seagrass captures carbon is useful and interesting.
             | 
             | You've perfectly described why pure research science has
             | merit in its own right.
             | 
             | Application of knowledge comes a little later.
        
         | dwighttk wrote:
         | The ocean is big though. I think the headline writer was
         | imagining the piles of sugar if you pulled it all out of the
         | water and stacked it up.
        
           | BoiledCabbage wrote:
           | I mean with that logic, there are mountains of lint in
           | people's pockets. And mountains of cobwebs in their
           | basements.
           | 
           | Just about everything forms a mountain if you combine all
           | instances of it in the world into a big pile.
           | 
           | If anything, it'd only be notable if something didn't form a
           | mountain when piled.
        
             | dwighttk wrote:
             | Imagine if lint was a well known food for bacteria and all
             | the sudden it might be notable if bacteria were leaving it
             | alone in pockets
        
             | patall wrote:
             | Are you Dutch? 1g of lint per human is ~8,000 tons, which
             | at 4g/cm3 is a cube of ~14m. Mountains are huge ;)
        
             | umvi wrote:
             | It's notable because it's free energy that isn't being
             | consumed for some reason. Sprinkle some sugar on the ground
             | outside and ants will swoop in and grab it in minutes.
        
           | hoseja wrote:
           | Seagrass only grows in the shallows.
        
             | dwighttk wrote:
             | Not as big, but still pretty big.
        
         | divbzero wrote:
         | For alternative points of reference, ~120 g of sugar is ~140 mL
         | or ~0.60 US cups.
        
       | cmrdporcupine wrote:
       | That is really interesting. Can we cultivate sea grass to make
       | carbon capture ponds or forests?
        
         | nradov wrote:
         | Sea grass already grows pretty much everywhere it can grow, so
         | I don't think we can cultivate a lot more (at least not without
         | disrupting other sensitive marine ecosystems). It's more
         | important to prevent pollution that would kill existing sea
         | grass.
        
           | montalbano wrote:
           | Have you got a reference for that?
           | 
           | This article suggests that "92% of the UK's seagrass has been
           | lost in the past two centuries, with 39% disappearing just
           | since the 1980s, thanks to pollution from industry, mining
           | and farming, along with dredging, bottom trawling and coastal
           | development."
           | 
           | https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/nov/05/seagrass.
           | ..
        
           | s1artibartfast wrote:
           | What are the limiting factors for it's range? Is there a
           | critical nutrient that can be introduced?
        
             | pvaldes wrote:
             | > What are the limiting factors for it's range?
             | 
             | Fishermen and recreational sports
        
             | sandworm101 wrote:
             | It is grass. It needs sunlight and a substrate on which to
             | grow. That means shallow/clear water over a sandy bottom,
             | not a common thing in the ocean.
        
               | s1artibartfast wrote:
               | Seems like sunlight and substrate is much more common
               | than seagrass is. I found this paper [1] that talks about
               | the difference.
               | 
               | It estimated the area of suitable sunlight and substrate
               | to be 4,320,000 km2 but estimated seagrass coverage of
               | 177,000 km2.
               | 
               | I think this big difference indicates that there are
               | additional factors at play.
               | 
               | https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/ab7d
               | 06
        
               | sandworm101 wrote:
               | Earth has something like 150 million square kilometers of
               | ocean. 4mil is a tiny corner of that area. Depth/light
               | remains by far the primary limitation for sea grass,
               | preventing it from even attempting to colonize the vast
               | majority of the worlds oceans. Compare other carbon sinks
               | like plankton which can exist across the ocean
               | irrespective of water depth.
        
               | s1artibartfast wrote:
               | Sure, but Im not asking why seagrass doesn't cover the
               | entire ocean or entire planet.
               | 
               | I'm asking why it doesn't cover more area than it
               | currently does it appears that light and substrate is an
               | insufficient answer. 90% of the area with suitable light
               | and substrate is not covered, so something additional is
               | going on.
        
         | dymk wrote:
         | That's what https://www.runningtide.com/ is trying to do
        
         | jerf wrote:
         | "The research stated that if microorganisms consumed the
         | sucrose stored by the roots of the seagrass, at least 1.54
         | million tons of carbon dioxide would be released into the
         | atmosphere, which is equivalent to the carbon emissions from by
         | 330,000 cars in one year."
         | 
         | Those number strongly suggest no. "A million tons" and
         | "hundreds of thousands" may sound large but in this context
         | they're tiny. And if we did try to farm these we'd have to
         | displace other ecosystems for the farm land (under ocean).
        
           | s1artibartfast wrote:
           | >And if we did try to farm these we'd have to displace other
           | ecosystems for the farm land (under ocean).
           | 
           | but that isn't necessarily a problem.
        
         | somishere wrote:
         | There's a lot of work going into blue carbon efforts at the
         | moment .. better understanding and utilising seagrasses and
         | algaes, mangroves, etc. as carbon sinks.
         | 
         | That said, what I've never understood about the potential of
         | seagrass as a carbon sink (and this sugar thing might go
         | someway to explaining it), is how it works given how short
         | lived individual plants are, and how fragile - and shallow -
         | seagrass ecosystems are.
         | 
         | CO2 / methane (?) released by decaying biomass at depth may
         | stay trapped in sediment, but how realistic is this at depths
         | of 20-40m? Does anyone have any more info?
        
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