[HN Gopher] InSight's Final Selfie
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       InSight's Final Selfie
        
       Author : lelf
       Score  : 33 points
       Date   : 2022-05-25 20:32 UTC (2 hours ago)
        
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 (TXT) w3m dump (www.jpl.nasa.gov)
        
       | jonah wrote:
       | Maybe on the next rover, they can include a brush or blower on
       | the arm so they can dust off the solar panels occasionally.
        
         | LeoPanthera wrote:
         | InSight is a non-mobile ground station, not a rover.
         | 
         | The rovers can position themselves such that wind removes dust.
        
           | mortenlarsen wrote:
           | So it only needed a "turn-table" base?
        
             | LeoPanthera wrote:
             | I'm sure it's not that simple, but I suspect that it simply
             | isn't worth it to launch extra mass to Mars. InSight was
             | successful in its mission, I don't know what value would be
             | gained from extending its life further.
        
         | Aperocky wrote:
         | wondering if rotating solar panel works. just rotate 180
         | degrees to dump sand to the ground and then back.
        
         | potiuper wrote:
         | The sweeper arm idea is better for panels on Earth due to
         | humidity: https://news.mit.edu/2022/solar-panels-dust-
         | magnets-0311 Electrostatic based solutions using a layer called
         | an electrodynamic screen that was introduced in the early 1970s
         | using interdigitated electrodes has potential for moistureless
         | environments like Mars. But, the development cost for ad hoc
         | Mars application is a high barrier.
        
           | ffhhj wrote:
           | Maybe a series of thin plastic layers that can be pulled
           | inside a container every few months, sort of a carpet-
           | umbrella.
        
         | pavon wrote:
         | Eventually we'll have equipment on Mars that we want to
         | function for a long duration, and we'll need to solve that
         | problem, but for InSight (and others) death by dust was by
         | design.
         | 
         | It costs money to operate these probes with a whole staff here
         | on earth monitoring, commanding and analyzing the data that we
         | receive. After some time you get diminishing returns on how
         | much you can learn from the same probe, and would be better off
         | paying these people to work on a new probe (improved using what
         | you have learned) or even an identical probe, deployed
         | elsewhere on the planet.
         | 
         | When these missions are designed that is taken into
         | consideration to determine the desired lifespan of the mission,
         | and the probe is designed to that lifespan (with some margin).
         | Spending money (or worse mass) to make a component survive well
         | beyond that lifespan would be a waste, and could cut into the
         | (fiscal or mass) budget resulting in tradeoffs that make the
         | probe less capable during the lifespan it has.
         | 
         | Insight was designed to operate for at least two years with
         | margin. It has hit the limits of that margin after four years
         | and it's time to shut it down.
        
       | LeoPanthera wrote:
       | Because the linked article doesn't explain, here's the Wikipedia
       | blurb about what InSight is/was:
       | 
       | The Interior Exploration using Seismic Investigations, Geodesy
       | and Heat Transport (InSight) mission is a robotic lander designed
       | to study the deep interior of the planet Mars. It was
       | manufactured by Lockheed Martin Space Systems, is managed by
       | NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL), and most of its
       | scientific instruments were built by European agencies. The
       | mission launched on 5 May 2018 at 11:05:01 UTC aboard an Atlas
       | V-401 launch vehicle and successfully landed at Elysium Planitia
       | on Mars on 26 November 2018 at 19:52:59 UTC. InSight traveled
       | 483x106 km (300x106 mi) during its journey. As of 25 May 2022,
       | InSight has been active on Mars for 1242 sols (1276 days; 3
       | years, 180 days).
       | 
       | InSight's objectives are to place a seismometer, called Seismic
       | Experiment for Interior Structure (SEIS), on the surface of Mars
       | to measure seismic activity and provide accurate 3D models of the
       | planet's interior; and measure internal heat transfer using a
       | heat probe called HP3 to study Mars' early geological evolution.
       | This could bring a new understanding of how the Solar System's
       | terrestrial planets - Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars - and Earth's
       | Moon form and evolve.
       | 
       | The lander was originally planned for launch in March 2016. An
       | instrument problem delayed the launch beyond the 2016 launch
       | window. NASA officials rescheduled the InSight launch to May 2018
       | and during the wait the instrument was repaired. This increased
       | the total cost from US$675 million to US$830 million. NASA stated
       | that due to excessive dust on its solar panels preventing it from
       | recharging, they plan to put InSight in low-power mode for
       | detecting seisemic events in July 2022 and continue monitoring
       | the lander through the operational period ending in December
       | 2022.
       | 
       | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/InSight
        
       | gfodor wrote:
       | I have no recollection of this lander. Strange.
        
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