[HN Gopher] Jack Dorsey leaves Twitter's board of directors
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Jack Dorsey leaves Twitter's board of directors
Author : HiroProtagonist
Score : 95 points
Date : 2022-05-25 21:48 UTC (1 hours ago)
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| daenz wrote:
| >What's next: Dorsey's next move remains unclear.
|
| Do founders ever feel regret when they walk away from what they
| became known for? If you still have drive after you leave, I
| imagine there is a lot of pressure to reproduce your first
| success.
|
| EDIT>>Removing reference to Dorsey only having one major success.
| polote wrote:
| When you leave something you have put so much effort in, and
| the future doesn't look good then you feel regret. When the
| future looks good you are usually proud.
|
| But no, you don't feel pressure to build it again. Because
| first this is a lot of work and second it is not even likely
| that you will succeed again at it. Especially in b2c
| radicaldreamer wrote:
| He also runs Square, which is arguably more successful
| daenz wrote:
| You're right! Totally forgot about Square. Though I still
| maintain he is known for Twitter.
| simonlc wrote:
| Clearly this person didn't want to do even a simple google
| search before commenting.
| rufusroflpunch wrote:
| I don't even think it is arguable. Square and CashApp are
| significantly more profitable than Twitter, I believe.
| Turing_Machine wrote:
| He was on the original Blogger team, too. It was pretty
| successful until Google bought it and left it to die on the
| vine, as they usually do.
| boeingUH60 wrote:
| I think it's Evan Williams (the other Twitter co-founder)
| who was on the Blogger team, not Dorsey.
| [deleted]
| Syonyk wrote:
| Hey, they recently redid the user interface for it!
|
| I mean, yeah, the new interface is unusable with anything
| under a Xeon workstation, and it's very mobile editing
| focused, for a _blogging_ platform, and it drove me and a
| variety of other people off Blogger entirely, but... they
| 've not just left it alone. That would have been an
| _improvement_ over what they did to it.
|
| My extensive thoughts on their "improvements" here:
| https://www.sevarg.net/2020/10/10/end-of-blog-new-blogger-
| in...
|
| Which is now a Jekyll based blog, hosted on my own
| hardware.
| pbreit wrote:
| Jack's at least a 2-hit wonder. Maybe 3 if you count Block's
| new direction.
| Bubble_Pop_22 wrote:
| Really? What do they do? And I mean practically speaking, not
| aspirationally
|
| I also don't care about the stock price
|
| What is the credit rating of Block, Twitter and Square? D- ?
| DD- ?
| onethought wrote:
| You don't care about stock price. But credit ratings are
| the bastion of truth!
|
| Square changed the game on merchant accounts with Point of
| Sale systems.
| eterevsky wrote:
| One example is Pavel Durov. He created VK, which became the
| most popular social network in Russia. It was taken over by
| government-aligned oligarchs. Pavel left Russia and started
| Telegram which became even more successful.
| timcavel wrote:
| throwaabolt wrote:
| Note that these are unconfirmed rumors as of now:
| https://twitter.com/jack/status/1247616114769086465
| TameAntelope wrote:
| This has literally been planned for months, if not a year.
| VectorLock wrote:
| Tweet deleted.
| throwaabolt wrote:
| Oh wow. That was fast.
| ultrablack wrote:
| billionaires distncing themselves from commies?
| [deleted]
| snarkerson wrote:
| boomskats wrote:
| Can't think of a better time to sell up! Smart move.
| oh_sigh wrote:
| What exactly does someone like Dorsey do on the board of
| directors?
| anonu wrote:
| Weigh in on important decisions.
| thaumasiotes wrote:
| You'd think so, but it's been clear for a while that Dorsey
| and the board have fundamentally different views of the world
| and how Twitter should interact with it. His input doesn't
| count.
| dwg wrote:
| I love the succinctness of this answer.
| pfisherman wrote:
| For all the love that Action Jack gets, never forget that he had
| the foresight to shut down Vine.
| hunterb123 wrote:
| Never heard anyone refer to Dorsey as Action Jack.
|
| If you're making a SV reference, Jack Barker (Action Jack) is
| largely based on Jack Welch (Neutron Jack)
| [deleted]
| bluejekyll wrote:
| Is this a comment about TikTok?
| rglullis wrote:
| Snap before that
| strangattractor wrote:
| No surprise there - he has been trying to distance himself for
| some time. Not surprising they agreed to sell so fast. Now it
| will Musk's headache (seriously doubt the deal will go through).
| Musk's twitter obsession is ruining his reputation. Owning this
| turd will likely accelerate that.
| 2muchcoffeeman wrote:
| Ruining his reputation with whom?
| [deleted]
| thaumasiotes wrote:
| eric_cc wrote:
| throway782 wrote:
| thaumasiotes wrote:
| Downvoters are usually not worried about whether the
| comment they're downvoting might or might not be correct.
|
| I've made some comments where I've been confused as to
| why they got downvotes, but that wasn't one of them.
| mustacheemperor wrote:
| Not engaging with your claim about what is the "correct
| answer" to this question asked of another user about
| something they said, I assume this comment is being
| downvoted because it blatantly violates the site's
| community guidelines.
|
| > Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive,
| not less, as a topic gets more divisive.
|
| This is an extremely sparse remark about a controversial
| issue.
|
| > Please don't use Hacker News for political or
| ideological battle. It tramples curiosity.
|
| Enough said.
| influxmoment wrote:
| Getting political and opening himself up to targeted attacks
| felipellrocha wrote:
| I don't think billionaires care about reputation that much
| MBCook wrote:
| No, but when it tanks their stock portfolios they
| sometimes do.
| pfisch wrote:
| With the people who buy all the Teslas.
| eric_cc wrote:
| gkoberger wrote:
| Get specific. What untrue things are the "intolerant far-
| left" accusing Musk of?
| dougmwne wrote:
| It seems fairly clear that Musk is buying Twitter so he
| can re-platform conservatives. Why else bother owning it?
| Influential people on the left will say anything, true or
| untrue to tank Musk's reputation. Don't get down in the
| weeds of the talking points, look at who controls
| political conversation in the US and who stands to
| benefit if that monopoly is broken. I am on the left, but
| am increasingly disturbed by the total shut-out of
| conservatives from social media.
| eric_cc wrote:
| Well for one: They have had a monopoly over twitter
| censorship and feel threatened by this disruption.
| causasui wrote:
| What? The far left has _never_ liked Musk. He's a
| billionaire. He's the perfect representation of all they
| decry.
|
| Unless by far-left you really mean neoliberals.
| micromacrofoot wrote:
| Yeah those moonbats, when will they learn that exposing
| yourself to a flight attendant and offering her a horse in
| exchange for sex is actually great for the economy?
| eric_cc wrote:
| I'm not going defend Musk the human being. Maybe he is a
| total a creep? I don't know him.
|
| But this case you're citing here is unproven and seems
| like a political hit.
| croes wrote:
| Seems more like a clever move by Musk.
|
| Business Insider contacted him before he made his
| republican vote tweet.
| VectorLock wrote:
| Everybody holding $TSLA based on the stock price.
| strangattractor wrote:
| With people that thought he has done a good thing by actually
| turning the EV market into something other than a VW in Ed
| Begley's garage. By others who think he has found a way to
| make Space and Space Exploration a reality. I am sure he must
| wish Twitter had blocked his "Pedo" tweet about the divers
| who saved the Thai children.
| PKop wrote:
| With the cathedral of the powerful that bestows prestige
| within our political culture.
| xwdv wrote:
| People shit on Musk, but that only makes the potential for
| massive gains to his reputation even greater if he actually is
| able to turn Twitter around and make it into a respectable
| social network again. People like you, will eat crow.
| gernb wrote:
| Everyone has their own ideas of what would save twitter or make
| it stop sucking.
|
| For me:
|
| * Let me opt out of all recommendations. I only want to see
| tweets of people I follow or tags I follow. Nothing else. I'll
| find more people to follow via the people I follow. Do not post
| random popular news, people, related stuff in my feed, period.
|
| * Let me choose the types of tweets I see. Personally I want to
| see zero of (@person liked, @person replied to, ...)
|
| * Remove the 280 character limit (but possibly only show the
| first N characters in the feed). I don't personally believe the
| 280 character limit is important to twitter's success.
| Twitter's difference from most other places is that people are
| talking from their account, in public. It's one giant flat
| public forum. It is not FB (friends and family) and it is not
| Reddit (moderated sub forums). That alone is it's strength. All
| the 280 character thing does is amplify hyperbole as there is
| on room for nuance.
|
| I'm sure Musk has his own ideas (no censorship?) but as for me,
| I won't personally use twitter without the changes above. I
| have an account, I check about once a month or less. I see lots
| of the stuff above and quit. It's like having a pushy
| salesperson following you around and constantly recommending
| stuff. Rather than more sales I'd just leave for another store.
| stjohnswarts wrote:
| I agree with all but the 280 character limit.
| rtkwe wrote:
| > * Let me choose the types of tweets I see. Personally I
| want to see zero of (@person liked, @person replied to, ...)
|
| or even better make that a whitelist or blacklist option.
| There are some people who retweet way too much but others I'm
| perfectly happy to see them from.
| guelo wrote:
| > Let me opt out of all recommendations
|
| click the "Latest Tweets" icon at the top right of the feed.
| HWR_14 wrote:
| I'm curious why you doubt the deal is going to go through.
| ForHackernews wrote:
| It only costs him a billion to get out of it. It'll cost him
| a lot more to go through with it.
| sealeck wrote:
| That's not how it works - he has to go through with the
| deal unless one of the possible reasons he may back out for
| (and pay the US$1 billion) comes into being.
| bfgoodrich wrote:
| strangattractor wrote:
| If he says that the bots inflate the number of eyeballs
| that is reason enough to pull out. He is already publicly
| implying it.
| klyrs wrote:
| Musk's twitter account has a famously tenuous
| relationship with reality. He declined to perform due
| diligence, and his attempted pullout was contemporaneous
| with the TSLA stock (which his loan is leveraged against)
| plummeting. We'll probably see how it all plays out after
| years of protracted court battles. If I was Jack, I
| wouldn't want to stick around for that drama either.
| sgarman wrote:
| Publicly implying won't let him back out for free. He
| needs to prove twitter acted in bad faith or "material
| adverse effect." No such evidence has been provided. BTW
| material adverse effect is an very hard standard to prove
| it needs to "substantially threaten the overall earnings
| potential of the target in a durationally-significant
| manner."
| arcticbull wrote:
| He waived contingency on due diligence. He has no right
| to back out on the basis of the due diligence he should
| have done before he signed the contract but did not. A
| court can order him to complete the purchase as committed
| ('specific performance').
| strangattractor wrote:
| Like reporting inflated numbers. Whatever - then he is
| stuck with not being able to change anything. Or we will
| see a protracted court battle. Or Twitter will take their
| billion and be happy.
| strangattractor wrote:
| Since he has realized the risk of using Tesla stock to back
| this purchase - he has acquired investors. Investors will
| want returns on their investment other than "Free Speech" BS.
| Some of the things he is proposing will hurt Twatter
| financially like shutting down bots. It is those very same
| bots that give the impression that Twitter is influential.
| Hence he will either not be able to deliver his promises or
| he will find some excuse not to buy.
| stjohnswarts wrote:
| Also his tesla stock has decreased 40% so now his initial
| offer of stocks is costing him a lot more in sheer number.
| I love every minute of it.
| arcticbull wrote:
| Also, bot detection is a quixotic quest. If it were that
| easy they'd have done it by now.
| strangattractor wrote:
| I once worked for a non-profit no less that was trying to
| use "Article Views" as a new metric to rank academic
| articles. I did some simple things to filter out some
| rather obvious bots. Nothing fancy. That reduced the page
| views %75. Needless to say even the Non-Profit was
| seduced buy the inflated numbers hoping it would attract
| more authors. Followers=BullSh*T
| johannes1234321 wrote:
| Would they? - Bots drive engagement.
| rufusroflpunch wrote:
| I am very excited to see what Jack can do solely focused on
| Bitcoin.
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