[HN Gopher] Why are maps so hard to make?
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       Why are maps so hard to make?
        
       Author : danso
       Score  : 50 points
       Date   : 2022-06-01 20:54 UTC (2 days ago)
        
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       | simoneau wrote:
       | How much of that $15M went into the sweet domain name, felt.com?
        
         | hinting wrote:
         | only $12m of it!
        
           | hinting wrote:
           | the last $3m went to the @felt twitter handle
        
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         | everybodyknows wrote:
         | $74,750. ~0.5%
         | 
         | https://namebio.com/felt.com
        
       | ytdytvhxgydvhh wrote:
       | _reads blog post_
       | 
       | Yeah, I'll give it a shot.
       | 
       |  _clicks link to felt.com_
       | 
       |  _clicks link that says "Try Felt free"_
       | 
       |  _prompted to "Sign up for Felt"_
       | 
       | Oh, no thanks.
        
         | hinting wrote:
         | if you scroll down, there's a bunch of example maps you can
         | check out!
         | 
         | an account is only needed to create new maps
        
         | alx__ wrote:
         | This link worked fine for me: https://felt.com/map/Cross-USA-
         | Road-Trip-kiQ9CRDdlS02s8w65Ko...
        
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       | deepsun wrote:
       | > Mind you, making a website in the 90s was not for the faint of
       | heart. Even the simplest tasks required an alphabet soup of
       | technologies one had to master.
       | 
       | And they say nowadays you have to learn so much tech to make a
       | website...
        
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       | dv35z wrote:
       | Map gurus - I was thinking of printing a black and white map of
       | my neighborhood on my wall, and then putting pins, annotations
       | etc in it.
       | 
       | I found it difficult to find a good tool which could accept a
       | Google Map location, and export a PDF with street names, but not
       | so much details. I ended up taking a screen shot of google Maps,
       | then vectorizing it, the manually changing to B&W, updating
       | details etc. Anyone found good tool / workflow for this
        
         | dvdkon wrote:
         | I use QGIS, usually importing an OSM-based vector map (look for
         | the MapTiler plugin) and tweaking the layer appearance does it
         | for me. I'm not 100% on board with how QGIS' print layout tool
         | works, but I think that's just because I have a different model
         | in mind. It's more print oriented, so it should hopefully work
         | for you.
        
         | cwal37 wrote:
         | I would have done it all in GIS software (QGIS most likely)
         | myself using shapefiles from the County/State/Town, but I
         | suppose that depends on your preexisting knowledge of GIS
         | software and access to high quality data. I
         | 
         | In order to look good, it would probably also require some
         | substantial design work in the symbology of the layers you're
         | using.
         | 
         | EDIT: Another commenter suggests OSM, and yeah, that would be
         | way easier than starting with shapefiles for various features.
        
         | jabyess wrote:
         | mapbox studio will let you custom design layers, but i haven't
         | gotten very far into it so i can't speak to the level of
         | control you get.
        
         | okok3857 wrote:
         | The Stamen toner map may work well for you:
         | http://maps.stamen.com/#toner/14/37.8024/-122.2645 Also
         | checkout their watercolor rendering... probably my favorite
         | basemap that I never get to use.
         | 
         | If you do use QGIS, you can get the Quick Map Services plugin
         | that will connect you with these Stamen basemaps as well (and
         | tons of other basemaps, a must-have plugin).
        
       | anticristi wrote:
       | I'm about to organise a family road trip and I can see how this
       | tool can make that so much more informative and fun. I currently
       | rely on an Google Sheet and Google Maps List, which is a bit
       | tiring.
       | 
       | I'd like to see the following features:
       | 
       | - Ability to search for GPS coordinates.
       | 
       | - Ability to search for plus codes (I hate them, but Google
       | forces them onto me.)
       | 
       | - Display route duration: This is good for judging if a segment
       | is too long and needs to be spliced in two.
       | 
       | - Somehow searching for places in Europe is lacking compared to
       | Google Maps.
        
         | hinting wrote:
         | glad to hear it!
         | 
         | searching for lat/lng, route duration, and better search are in
         | the works
         | 
         | what's the deal with plus codes? i've heard about them a couple
         | times but don't have a good sense of where/how they are used
        
           | anticristi wrote:
           | Plus codes are pretty much like GPS coordinates, but made by
           | Google: https://maps.google.com/pluscodes/
           | 
           | For some reason Google Maps throws plus codes at you, but
           | requires you to dig deeper to find GPS coordinates.
        
           | phabricator wrote:
           | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Location_Code
           | 
           | > i've heard about them a couple times
           | 
           | Did you do much competitive analysis?
        
         | ghaff wrote:
         | I started planning out a someday road trip. I found
         | mymaps.google.com at least a good starting point as I want to
         | (in the US) do something that is vaguely circular--i.e. avoids
         | excessive backtracks and spurs. It let me choose a bunch of
         | locations and assign various colors as I tuned the route.
        
           | anticristi wrote:
           | Seems to do the trick. Thanks for the tip!
        
             | ghaff wrote:
             | I'm sure I'll end up using other planning and tracking
             | tools, including paper state maps and a laminated US map I
             | bought. But I found this really helpful as a first cut at
             | "What's an interesting big swing I can do that optimizes
             | for places I haven't been but want to see and that involves
             | a minimum of out-of-the-way driving." I basically put a
             | bunch of color-coded places on the map and then started
             | recoloring them if they didn't really fit my objectives.
             | 
             | My intent is certainly not to overplan. But having a
             | "strategic" first cut seems useful.
        
       | hinting wrote:
       | hi everyone, ceo here! and former YC W15 founder.
       | 
       | let me know your questions, and i will answer them!
        
         | everybodyknows wrote:
         | What are the major pieces of the underlying software stack?
        
           | hinting wrote:
           | - elixir for real-time updates - react.js and protomaps.js
           | for front-end app - python for a variety of geospatial
           | service
        
             | okok3857 wrote:
             | Very cool you are using protomaps.js! I recently found
             | their blog and really like the ideas in there:
             | https://protomaps.com/blog
        
           | nittanymount wrote:
           | seems it is based on mapbox, someone posted a map link
           | there...
        
         | okok3857 wrote:
         | Can people add their own layers, like a WMS overlay? and,
         | relatedly, have you considered adding georeferenced historical
         | map layers? It seems like a good platform for story-telling.
        
         | an9n wrote:
         | As someone with formal education plus getting on for 20 years
         | in the field I've often wondered whether the software really
         | needs to be so damned hard to use! I like the interface and I
         | think nobody has yet conclusively cracked the problem of
         | providing a super simple map creation app, so I wish you luck
         | and think it looks interesting.
         | 
         | I'm interested to know options for import and export of
         | data/maps? Can data be sourced from a database? Also why should
         | someone use Felt instead of AGOL, mapbox etc? And what support
         | do you offer for open APIs e.g. OGC? What integration options
         | do you offer e.g. API for scripting creation of maps - or are
         | the maps always envisaged to be manually created?
        
           | hinting wrote:
           | it doesn't need to be so damn hard! we're big believers that
           | basic mapping needs can be much much easier with great
           | software.
           | 
           | today you can import KML, KMZ, GPX, JSON & GeoJSON, and
           | export in GeoJSON. we're expanding this to more formats in
           | the near future.
           | 
           | felt is best for folks who don't have deeper GIS backgrounds
           | or programming backgrounds. it's easy to jump in and focus on
           | your project without them!
           | 
           | API will be coming down the road!
        
         | cancan wrote:
         | hey sam! i am the author of the post (and the cofounder here at
         | felt), alongside hinting -- happy to answer of the questions
         | also
        
           | tomarr wrote:
           | Hey
           | 
           | I tried Felt and it looked good. However for me the marker /
           | polygon moved significantly with different zoom levels which
           | is a fairly big issue. This was in 54,-1 area (lat/lng) - I
           | don't know if it could be as simple as different coordinate
           | systems on markers vs mapping?
        
             | bostonvaulter2 wrote:
             | (Felt engineer here) That does sounds like a big issue! Are
             | you able to reproduce the marker or polygon moving based on
             | zoom levels? I tried for a bit and I wasn't able to
             | reproduce this. How are you changing the map zoom?
        
               | tomarr wrote:
               | Emailed
        
       | frzen wrote:
       | Would be cool to have it like geolayers 3 meets Google earth
       | studio, with added collaborative map editing and be able to
       | export nice animations
       | 
       | I'm sure there are a lot of people who could be making
       | interesting map videos / news / explainers who don't already have
       | geolayers3, and who don't want to pay a mapbox sub on top of
       | Adobe CC. Or people who have the After effects skills could
       | benefit from other experts updating their maps content while they
       | work on the animation.
       | 
       | I make map animations from time to time at work for news and I
       | spend a decent amount of time wrestling with overpass turbo to
       | export features to overlay in Google earth studio as a kml.
        
       | n8cpdx wrote:
       | Esri, the leader in corporate/enterprise/government map-making
       | (GIS), recently launched its first direct-to-consumer product,
       | StoryMaps. It fits a slightly different use case from Felt - it
       | is oriented to storytelling - but in some ways it is solving a
       | similar problem.
       | 
       | https://storymaps.com/
       | 
       | For people willing to sign up for a personal use subscription
       | (too difficult and not marketed to consumers, unfortunately),
       | ArcGIS Online makes it easy to make really powerful maps, far
       | beyond what Felt offers, for those interested. Newer things like
       | blending modes are making the design aspect of map making a lot
       | more accessible.
       | 
       | Video for those interested in what "more powerful than Felt"
       | looks like: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0XI-J8XUNeU
       | 
       | And for developers, you can try out the samples to see what the
       | tech can do and the code to do it. The flow renderer is one of
       | the newer flashier features:
       | https://developers.arcgis.com/javascript/latest/sample-code/...
       | This shows how its done in code, but the public API underpins the
       | Web Map Viewer, which exposes a UI for most of it.
        
         | cancan wrote:
         | Would it be worth mentioning here that you work for Esri?
         | 
         | disclaimer: i'm the co-founder at felt.
        
       | tech_tuna wrote:
       | Everything is hard. Names and naming things. Currency. Time.
       | Passwords. Authentication. Error handling. Concurrency.
       | 
       | Every. Thing.
        
       | doodlebugging wrote:
       | This looks good. I will check it out this afternoon. I can see
       | several use cases for it.
       | 
       | The best ever mapping software for personal use was Microsoft's
       | Streets and Trips. buy a license and use it forever. Too bad they
       | killed it off so you no longer can get updated roads and maps.
       | 
       | It had every feature that one could need to facilitate
       | navigation. I keep an old laptop with WinXP around so I can do
       | trip planning even today. It made the whole method of defining
       | individual legs of a trip simple so that one could adjust things
       | on the fly if you made it to one destination and discovered a lot
       | of other interesting things to do or see. You could brainstorm
       | different side trips in a few minutes. You could even print point
       | to point maps.
       | 
       | I love that software. I really love any software that I can buy
       | for one price and use forever. I am not a SaaS fan though that is
       | where everyone is going. Sad.
        
         | NikolaNovak wrote:
         | It's astonishing that there were things which existed decades
         | ago with only inferior substitutes today. Ms Streets and Trips
         | had functionality google maps doesn't seem to aspire to; and
         | same of course goes for Encarta. It seems a no brainer
         | something like that shoild exist for tablets - but it doesn't.
         | The myriad data and graphs you could overlay and chart on maps
         | was wonderful.
        
         | koenigdavidmj wrote:
         | Furkot.com should get you a lot of what you want here, except
         | obviously not offline.
        
         | guessbest wrote:
         | I used to use the Delorme 2007-9 maps application with a
         | windows xp tablet pc (2005) and it compared favorably to MS
         | Streets.
         | 
         | https://www.amazon.com/Delorme-Street-Atlas-2008-Version/dp/...
         | 
         | I still have the tablet pc, but don't have a usb gps that works
         | with it unfortunately.
        
       | phabricator wrote:
       | This is an advertisement, I was hoping it would be about
       | cartography. I don't mind plugging your product at the end but
       | "Why are maps so hard to make?" is never answered.
       | 
       | > creating and collaborating a map today is not much easier than
       | it was in the 90s
       | 
       | Yes, yes it is. It is MUCH easier. This product looks nice but
       | there's no insight here.
        
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