[HN Gopher] The last Howard Johnson's restaurant closes in Lake ...
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       The last Howard Johnson's restaurant closes in Lake George, N.Y.
        
       Author : NaOH
       Score  : 57 points
       Date   : 2022-06-03 19:38 UTC (3 hours ago)
        
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       | jpm_sd wrote:
       | I really enjoyed Jacques Pepin's autobiography and was surprised
       | to discover that working at Howard Johnson's was a major,
       | formative experience in his life.
       | 
       | https://www.nyjournalofbooks.com/book-review/apprentice-my
       | 
       | https://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/28/opinion/howard-johnsons-a...
        
         | CharleFKane wrote:
         | And to kind of tie several things together at once:
         | 
         | The podcaster Simon Majumdar recently did an interview with
         | Jacques Pepin.
         | 
         | https://www.eatmyglobe.com/season-8/jacquespepin
         | 
         | During that interview, he mentioned that, as a special event,
         | with Paul Freedman (author of "10 Restaurants that Changed
         | America", they cooked one dish from each of the 10 restaurants
         | for about 100 people.
         | 
         | Some of these dishes were from really high-end restaurants like
         | Le Pavillon (where Pepin also worked).
         | 
         | "But the dish that everybody loved was the fried clams from
         | Howard Johnson's."
        
         | dharmon wrote:
         | I just read this and also really enjoyed it.
         | 
         | Pepin heaps praise on Howard Johnson (the person), and has no
         | kind words for his son, whom he blames for the restaurant's
         | decline. Mainly lack of adaptability as fast food hit the
         | country, but then also drastically cutting quality in
         | ingredients.
         | 
         | Pepin claims that he would take home frozen restaurant food (as
         | it was shipped to the restaurants), reheat it, and serve it to
         | his NYC "foodie" friends, including renowned French chefs,
         | without them being able to tell. I actually believe this since
         | most of the pre-prepared food were stocks and sauce bases which
         | freeze just fine, and also take the most time to prepare.
        
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       | ars wrote:
       | Sears and K-Mart are working on it:
       | https://brostocks.com/2021/11/20/how-many-sears-stores-are-l...
       | and https://brostocks.com/2022/04/28/how-many-kmarts-are-left-
       | in...
        
         | lapetitejort wrote:
         | Somewhat related, I know of a Woolworth's that has been
         | untouched since its closing in the 90s in a tourist city
         | somewhere on the East Coast. I toured it by myself after a
         | store owner friend gave me a key to the basement. I wanted to
         | enjoy it more, but the constant dread of getting caught
         | overwhelmed the fascination of this thirty year old time
         | capsule.
        
       | LeoPanthera wrote:
       | I guess they will not be able to open the "Howard Johnson's
       | Earthlight Room" on an orbiting space station as predicted by
       | 2001: A Space Odyssey, after all.
       | 
       | https://georgehahn.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/2001-space...
       | 
       | (The "Bell System Picturephone" is also looking pretty unlikely.)
        
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       | mooreds wrote:
       | Here's a website devoted to Howard Johnsons:
       | http://www.hojoland.com/
        
       | Doctor_Fegg wrote:
       | > In his book "Ten Restaurants That Changed America," historian
       | Paul Freedman credited the company with pioneering "several key
       | concepts in the American way of dining out: roadside locations, a
       | family-friendly ambience, franchising, predictability and serving
       | comfort food long before that term was invented."
       | 
       | This, incidentally, is a superb book. I greatly enjoyed it and
       | I'm not even American.
        
         | anyfoo wrote:
         | That honestly sounds like exactly the things that annoy me,
         | those chain restaurants and franchises with always the same
         | audience and food. Visiting is equivalent to going to a FedEx:
         | You know what to expect, but you don't go there for pleasure.
         | 
         | That's good and expected for fast food (i.e. McDonald's), but
         | fast food is something you do on the go: Using drive through or
         | picking up, or when I was younger sitting in only
         | transitionally with my friends to gulp down the fast food in
         | the middle of our night out.
         | 
         | Luckily at least in the cities there are still a wide variety
         | of individual restaurants, often better than where I'm from,
         | especially (but not exclusively) if it comes to non-local
         | cuisine. The chains take up space but they are still easy
         | enough to ignore.
        
           | kube-system wrote:
           | The popular situation in which someone would go to one of
           | these restaurants is this:
           | 
           | It's 1975 in America. You're on a family road trip. It's hot,
           | you've been driving all day, and you've got two whiny kids in
           | the back seat. Everyone is getting hangry, and you need
           | somewhere comfortable to pause. You want somewhere where you
           | can sit, get something that the kids will eat without fuss,
           | and maybe an ice cream would be nice. The obvious answer is
           | Howard Johnson.
           | 
           | Drive throughs didn't exist at this time, and even if they
           | did, you wanted to get out of the damn car anyway.
        
             | rcurry wrote:
             | I was one of those whiny kids, lol. Always the high point
             | of our cross country trips in the old '72 Impala when my
             | dad would get tired of driving and say "What do you kids
             | think about hitting a HoJo's?"
        
             | anyfoo wrote:
             | Thanks. As mentioned elsewhere, I did not know that aspect
             | of "roadside restaurants". It makes sense as a "pit stop"
             | kind of thing with families, and seems to fill a similar
             | role to the big gas station+restaurant combinations you
             | find along the Autobahn for example.
             | 
             | Another aspect is that if in Europe you've been driving for
             | 8 hours, you may well have crossed a country border (or
             | multiple), and everything is very different anyway.
             | McDonald's again being your best bet if you want anything
             | really predictable in that case (and you can even order
             | without speaking the language usually).
        
               | kube-system wrote:
               | The road-trip culture in the US has spawned all kinds of
               | interesting business models that make little sense out of
               | context.
               | 
               | My favorite example is Breezewood Pennsylvania:
               | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breezewood,_Pennsylvania
               | 
               | It's a "town" that almost nobody lives in. It exists
               | solely because of a poorly-conceived connection between
               | two major highways. Millions of people stop to get gas,
               | use the restroom, or stop at a hotel there just because
               | they have to stop anyway at two stop lights.
        
           | Tostino wrote:
           | What you are looking for in a restaurant is not the same as
           | everyone else. There are plenty of people who are more than
           | happy to have their same comfortable meal over and over,
           | these places are catering to those folk. Repeat business is
           | better for profitability than always having to acquire new
           | customers, and this model encourages that repeat business for
           | the customers that it fits well with.
        
             | anyfoo wrote:
             | I guess I don't understand why that needs chains. In the
             | parts of Europe that I am originally from, there are far
             | less chain restaurants than here. And as I hinted, it's
             | still pretty common for folks to have "their" restaurant in
             | the neighborhood and to eat there all the time, same food
             | or not. Maybe mixing it up some time with another
             | restaurant, maybe not.
        
               | throw7 wrote:
               | You're right... it doesn't need "chains". "Chinese"
               | restaurants fill the same needs. I think maybe even
               | "Mexican" restaurants do to some degree also.
               | 
               | I'm not familiar with Europe, but in my limited travels,
               | "doner kebab" shops kind of seem to fill the same niche.
        
               | oh_sigh wrote:
               | HoJos were catering to travelers, not to locals(which is
               | why they are on the side of highways generally). So the
               | idea is you're in some new territory on a road trip, and
               | you see a name you know and trust and know you can go in
               | there and get a meal that you'll enjoy. Yes, sometimes
               | exploring unique local food options is what you want to
               | do. Other times, it isn't. Maybe you just spent 8 hours
               | driving in the car with 3 kids, and you need to get food
               | into them that you know they won't reject. Or you're a
               | business traveler and aren't interested in sightseeing,
               | and just want to get a quick meal near your hotel.
               | 
               | I'm sure it happened, but I'd imagine very few customers
               | lived within a couple miles of a HoJo and would eat there
               | regularly.
        
               | anyfoo wrote:
               | That's a good explanation, thanks. So it's basically
               | McDonald's but with more "substantial" food suited to sit
               | in with families.
               | 
               | That makes sense to me. Almost no matter where I traveled
               | in the world, I sometimes wanted to just get some food in
               | me and move on, say because I was transitioning through a
               | place or simply did not have the energy for more. As a
               | then single guy, McDonald's was always a good option for
               | that: You know what you get and it's quick and easy.
        
               | Tostino wrote:
               | I don't honestly think it's necessary by any means, and
               | don't personally like them. But they do eek our their
               | existence through appealing to the "familiar" for their
               | customers, because no matter where you're at, you know X
               | will taste like home.
               | 
               | I don't personally subscribe to that, i'd much rather see
               | what a new place has to offer, but i'm not everyone.
        
               | anyfoo wrote:
               | Ah, I think I can understand that aspect (even though it
               | also does not fit me personally).
        
         | surge wrote:
         | Cracker Barrel essentially fills this niche now.
        
           | kube-system wrote:
           | I'd throw Denny's, IHOP, and Applebees into the same
           | category.
        
         | rmason wrote:
         | When I was growing up Howard Johnson's were everywhere. Their
         | hotels were in every mid-size town as well. In the mid
         | seventies there were over 500 hotels and 1000 restaurants. Just
         | like Sears Roebuck it was classic Americana and you could
         | easily make the assumption that it would be there forever, but
         | by the year 2000 it had mostly disappeared. I admit to not
         | knowing why.
         | 
         | Their hotels weren't anything remarkable but the restaurants
         | were special. Perhaps tastes changed and once the restaurants
         | retreated the hotels followed.
        
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         | jhap wrote:
         | I second the book rec, I thought it would be fairly predictable
         | and lame, but it turned out to be completely awesome.
        
       | AlbertCory wrote:
       | I can't get too nostalgic on this one, sorry.
       | 
       | But speaking of upstate New York: the fact that you can stay in
       | Big Pink [1], where Dylan and The Band stayed and / or recorded
       | -- that would be something.
       | 
       | [1] https://www.vrbo.com/3970069ha
        
       | mbreese wrote:
       | https://archive.ph/jELUf
        
       | chasil wrote:
       | Howard Johnson's had fried clams, did not know that.
       | 
       | While I find fried clams repulsive, my secretary loves them,
       | especially in her home state of New Hampshire.
       | 
       | I found them at Red Lobster a few years ago, and insisted that
       | she try them because she complained so much. She admitted they
       | were quite good, but there were no "bellies" (a particularly
       | repellent portion of the dish).
       | 
       | I hope she liked HoJo's while it lasted.
        
         | jmclnx wrote:
         | >Howard Johnson's had fried clam
         | 
         | They were clam strips from what I remember, and I am with your
         | secretary. Clam Strips are a waste of calories :)
         | 
         | But I was rather surprised when friends from Atlanta GA visited
         | and I took them to a place in New Hampshire, which I am sure
         | your secretary has bee at many times. They thought Fried Clams
         | were repellent, which was a big surprise to me.
         | 
         | The ended up getting scallops, but they did not believe were
         | real because they were so large.
        
         | ghaff wrote:
         | There are clam strips and fried whole belly clams. The latter
         | are definitely better but you apparently don't like clams in
         | general.
         | 
         | That said, as I get older I find most deep fried things are
         | better not deep fried so I'll pretty much take steamers
         | (steamed clams) by preference these days.
        
           | Tostino wrote:
           | Yup, will go for steamed over fried seafood any day of the
           | week...unless there are good fish and chips around.
        
         | nsajko wrote:
         | > Howard Johnson's had fried clams, did not know that.
         | 
         | Funnily, I suppose there's many people who know about Howard
         | Johnson's serving clams, _even though we know almost nothing
         | else about the chain_.
         | 
         | This is thanks to Zappa's song/musical story Billy the
         | Mountain, prominently featuring Mark Volman and Howard Kaylan
         | (the force behind The Turtles) on most memorable performances.
         | 
         | Excerpt:                   They left that night, crunchin'
         | across the mojave desert         Their voices echoing through
         | the canyons of your minds         "Ethel, want to get a cuppa
         | cawfee?"                  "there's a Howard Johnsons! want to
         | eat some clams?"         The first noteworthy piece of real
         | estate they destroyed was Edwards Air Force Base         And to
         | this very day, 'wing nuts' and data reduction clerks alike
         | Speak in reverent whispers about that fateful night when
         | Test stand number one and the rocket sled itself got LUNCHED!
         | By a famous mountain-in and his small, wooden wife
        
       | fredcy wrote:
       | Going to the Howard Johnson's (in Oshkosh, Wisconsin) in the late
       | 60's was a big treat for my family. Their fried clams were exotic
       | fare.
        
       | O__________O wrote:
       | Property is now listed for the unlikely price of $10... :)
       | 
       | https://exitrealtyempireassociates.com/listing/nyenyrmls2021...
        
         | iod wrote:
         | Per the article, it's $10 per foot2 of space leased. So I am
         | guessing that to lease the whole place it would therefore be
         | 7500ft2 * $10-per-ft2-per-year / 12 months-per-year =
         | $6250/month .
        
       | WorldPeas wrote:
       | I guess that location they opened in space back in 2001 really
       | bankrupted them
        
       | js2 wrote:
       | My dad used to take me to one in Miami. For their fried clams and
       | Butter Crunch ice cream.
       | 
       | https://losttables.com/hojos/hojos.htm
       | 
       | The last one closed in 2017 though. Even though a restaurant
       | remained in the Lake George location, it wasn't operating as
       | Howard Johnson's, per the article. It's sorta like how Voyager
       | keeps leaving the solar system, I guess?
        
       | tuckerpo wrote:
       | I visited Lake George at the end of 2021 and the Howard Johnson
       | restaurant was a tourist attraction, for some reason. Bummer to
       | see it die.
        
       | dpedu wrote:
       | That's too bad. I have fond memories of my 5th grade math teacher
       | taking me there many times for ice cream because she used that as
       | a reward for whoever had the best grades that week, or something
       | like that. Oh well.
        
         | giantg2 wrote:
         | I imagine that sort of reward would not take place today.
        
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