[HN Gopher] Notkia: Linux phone in the shape of Nokia, with LoRa...
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Notkia: Linux phone in the shape of Nokia, with LoRa + WiFI + BT
connectivity
Author : ddtaylor
Score : 102 points
Date : 2022-06-05 14:25 UTC (8 hours ago)
(HTM) web link (www.hackster.io)
(TXT) w3m dump (www.hackster.io)
| greenhorn123 wrote:
| Suggested title change: fitting a linux computer into a Nokia
| 1680 shell. @dang
| pvg wrote:
| Mail the mods if you want something changed since there are no
| @dangotifications
| AlbertoGP wrote:
| Yes, this looked very interesting but it falls a bit short:
|
| > " _The device can be used as a computer, walkie-talkie or
| modem. But Notkia does not know how to make phone calls. The
| fact is that Remu NotMoe could not find a sufficiently compact
| 4G LTE module._ "
|
| It's still neat, but it's not a phone.
| megous wrote:
| https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005003357030675.html looks
| pretty compact.
| megous wrote:
| It can easilly be a voip phone.
| [deleted]
| neilv wrote:
| What I most want is new open source hardware guts with Linux for
| shells like the E61 and Blackberry.
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_E61
| goblinux wrote:
| Yes please! I miss real buttons and the tiny blackberry form
| factor so much
| durnygbur wrote:
| This device with both large screen and physical keyboard is
| still smaller than every Android device available currently on
| the market.
| [deleted]
| alfiedotwtf wrote:
| The Nokia N900 was the perfect form factor with Linux already
| running on it. Too bad the Neo900 stalled :(
| marcodiego wrote:
| > To do this, he created a special printed circuit board with a
| processor, memory and other components. But the keyboard is
| completely original.
|
| So, it is just a carcass?
| [deleted]
| aliswe wrote:
| > _Note: This is NOT a custom ROM for Nokia phones. It is a
| freshly designed PCB with exactly the same dimensions as the
| original PCB of the Nokia phone, so it can be put in the Nokia 's
| shell._
| hh3k0 wrote:
| Thanks. The headline was a bit misleading.
| oneplane wrote:
| Indeed. This way you can run anything 'on' an existing device
| by... replacing the entire device and just using the shell.
| Kinda useless from a repurposing perspective.
| [deleted]
| rgoulter wrote:
| hackster link: https://www.hackster.io/reimunotmoe/notkia-f6e772
| dang wrote:
| Ok, we've changed to that from https://gadgettendency.com/an-
| enthusiast-turned-a-nokia-1680.... Thanks!
| mikae1 wrote:
| Please someone, sell me a feature phone with an open source OS
| that can run Signal. I don't need a web browser, but at least I
| want to be able to communicate securely with family and friends.
| Almost all of them have switched so Signal.
| [deleted]
| [deleted]
| someoneelse9 wrote:
| Same but replace Signal with XMPP, which is far more flexible,
| has been around for a longer time and it's federated.
|
| But yeah, I agree. We need a feature phone with IM support.
| That would be perfect.
| zajio1am wrote:
| If it can run Signal, then it is pretty much smartphone not
| feature phone.
| toast0 wrote:
| There were a bunch of feature phones around 2014 that had an
| unauthorized (and poorly working) WhatsApp client. Signal of
| today is a bit trickier to run than WhatsApp of 2014, but it
| could be done. WhatsApp also ran officially on Nokia Series
| 40, which was a feature phone platform with apps.
|
| There's also KaiOS which is running on phones marketted as
| feature phones, although it's a fork of FirefoxOS which is
| Android base plus an HTML+js app model (or something).
| [deleted]
| usr1106 wrote:
| The OP seems to ask for only signal, not the possibility to
| install any other app. I would call that very much a feature
| phone.
| yjftsjthsd-h wrote:
| Depends on how you use those terms. If we're talking about
| processing power and how sophisticated the underlying tech
| has to be, then yes I'd tend to agree that the ability to
| run modern-ish internet-connected apps is at the equivalent
| of a smart phone. On the other hand, if "feature phone" is
| about the way the user interacts - a phone that ships with
| a give set of features and is not intended to run arbitrary
| apps - then it doesn't matter how sophisticated it is under
| the hood, only that it bakes in certain apps/features
| (phone, SMS, Signal) and that's it.
| midislack wrote:
| Do you still seriously need to give out your phone number to
| use it? Seems shady.
| Gordonjcp wrote:
| How would you identify your phone otherwise?
| midislack wrote:
| Why do you need to identify your phone to use an online
| messaging service?
| donkarma wrote:
| With a username and password
| chinathrow wrote:
| By a random ID as others [1] do?
|
| [1] Threema
| 1vuio0pswjnm7 wrote:
| MAC address, randomised by the pocket-sized computer owner
| as needed. Perhaps laypersons are less able to distinguish
| computer networks from telephone networks than they were
| 20-30 years ago. Signal relies on a computer network.
| Signal runs on "personal computers" that are bundled with
| "phones", but not on phones that lack personal computers.
| Perhaps one day we will reach the point where "VoIP"
| becomes meaningless because all voice will be carried over
| IP.
| BaseballPhysics wrote:
| Can you just disagree with the design choice rather than
| implying, without evidence, nefarious motivations?
|
| Ongoing work is being done to enable Signal accounts without
| requiring a phone number (there's been a number of changes to
| the protocol to support this in the last 6-12 months), it's
| just not done yet.
| vorejdajo wrote:
| Design choice should be "no need to trust". If not,
| nefarious motivations should be assumed, unless proven
| otherwise.
| jeroenhd wrote:
| The Signal project doesn't want non-official clients to connect
| to their network. I doubt you'll get them to release an
| official client for your bespoke dumbphone OS, so I'm afraid
| you'll have to accept unstable hackery as a way to run signal.
|
| You may be able to create your own dumbphone by flashing
| something like PostmarketOS to a compatible second hand phone
| combined with a custom Signal client. Just apk remove the
| browser and any other utilities you don't need and even the
| librem phone might be fast enough for your use case.
| BaseballPhysics wrote:
| > The Signal project doesn't want non-official clients to
| connect to their network.
|
| They don't encourage it but they don't ban it either. Non-
| official clients absolutely exist for the network, some of
| which use signald, a backend service and abstraction layer
| for the signal protocol which is neither unstable nor a hack:
|
| https://signald.org/
| 1vuio0pswjnm7 wrote:
| Download link:
|
| https://gitlab.com/signald/signald/-/archive/main/signald-
| ma...
|
| or https://web.archive.org/web/20210204055922if_/https://gi
| tlab...
| 1vuio0pswjnm7 wrote:
| Would the donor behind the Signal Foundation, Brian Acton,
| one of the WhatsApp founders who disagreed with the Mark
| Zuckerberg model of the internet, support the use of his
| donation to make threats or engage in legal proceedings
| against "non-official clients". Are there any statements
| from him about "non-official clients". Mike Benham ("Moxie
| Marlinspike") is no longer running "Signal Messenger LLC".1
| Signal Foundation and its subsidiary Signal Messenger LLC
| appear to be the entities that control the Signal
| trademark. For example, the US service mark "Signal" is now
| registered to "Signal Technology Foundation", not "Whisper
| Systems LLC".
|
| 1. https://www.theregister.com/2022/01/11/signal_ceo_moxie_
| marl...
| monocasa wrote:
| They have shut down third party clients, and reserve the
| right to continue that. Both use f the name signal, and
| connecting to their backend without it being their official
| client are the reasons given, and those seem to apply to
| signald just as much.
|
| https://github.com/LibreSignal/LibreSignal/issues/37#issuec
| o...
| finnn wrote:
| oh wow HN is parroting this bullshit again.
|
| Moxie and Signal didn't do anything other than asking
| LibreSignal politely to stop using their servers. They
| didn't "shut down" anything, and they have shown no
| interest in shutting down signal-cli/signald.
|
| MobileCoin, the cryptocurrency that Signal incorporates
| and essentially sanctions, uses signald for their bot[0].
|
| the Signal Matrix bridge has hundreds if not thousands of
| open source users, plus Element One and Beeper users, all
| using signald and not having any repercussions for years.
| The _only_ 3rd party Signal client that 's caught any
| flak from Signal that I'm aware of is LibreSignal.
|
| also see: last time this came up[1]
|
| [0] https://github.com/mobilecoinofficial/mobot/blob/dev/
| RUN.md
|
| [1]
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27682490#27683374
| monocasa wrote:
| Literally in that thread you cite as [1] is an additional
| example of a third party client being removed both from
| google play and github.
| BaseballPhysics wrote:
| Given that happened six years ago and multiple unofficial
| clients continue to exist without threat of ban, I'd
| suggest this one example cannot be extrapolated.
|
| It is true that Whisper Systems runs the network and can
| gatekeep it as they see fit.
|
| But your claim that Signal, as a matter of course, bans
| unofficial clients is objectively not true.
| monocasa wrote:
| Moxie has been pretty consistent on this point. He even
| gave a talk at C3 a couple years ago that was basically
| an hour long explanation for why he continued to think
| this way and that he hadn't changed his mind at all.
| https://media.ccc.de/v/36c3-11086-the_ecosystem_is_moving
|
| Additionally, they're more or less required to go after
| trademark violations if they get too big.
| BaseballPhysics wrote:
| > He even gave a talk at C3 a couple years ago that was
| basically an hour long explanation for why he continued
| to think this way and that he hadn't changed his mind at
| all.
|
| In that talk he explains why they don't decentralize
| their protocol or the ecosystem.
|
| His concern is that a decentralized ecosystem means
| actively _supporting_ third party implementations and
| having to achieve consensus when making changes, which
| slows down (or flat out stops) their ability to evolve
| the protocol and turn out new features.
|
| That's a totally orthogonal issue to banning unofficial,
| unsupported clients.
|
| > Additionally, they're more or less required to go after
| trademark violations if they get too big.
|
| That's a trivial problem to solve: don't put Signal in
| your client name.
| monocasa wrote:
| The unofficial clients are part of the ecosystem.
| Centralizing the ecosystem means centralizing the back
| ends _and_ the clients.
|
| It's not orthogonal at all, and he's talked at length
| about how he views every client connected to their
| servers as under his control, and his dislike for
| unofficial clients, and his willingness to squash them if
| they get too big.
|
| Before signal he was head of security at Twitter which
| has a similar 'squash unofficial clients if they get too
| big' policy.
|
| > That's a trivial problem to solve: don't put Signal in
| your client name.
|
| Signald has signal in it's client name.
| znpy wrote:
| Unless there's an official statement about unofficial
| clients being allowed, then that single example can and
| must be extrapolated: it's the only factual evidence.
| znpy wrote:
| I never trusted signal.
|
| No unofficial clients + us-based? Smells fishy.
|
| I'd rather run Telegram and/or Matrix (ideally Matrix).
| borgel wrote:
| Punkt MP02 might meet your needs.
| https://www.punkt.ch/en/products/mp02-4g-mobile-phone/
| [deleted]
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