[HN Gopher] How to Draw Animals (1930)
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       How to Draw Animals (1930)
        
       Author : ddtaylor
       Score  : 133 points
       Date   : 2022-06-05 05:05 UTC (2 days ago)
        
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       | hamiltonians wrote:
       | looks like physics disgrams too
        
       | ThrowawayR2 wrote:
       | Before you upvote this post, note that ddtaylor is basically
       | farming karma by reposting past HN stories that got significant
       | upvotes. You can see from the user's posting history that roughly
       | 2 posts per hour are occurring, one of which is usually an old
       | article, and this pattern has continued over the past several
       | days. It would probably be a good idea for someone to report this
       | to @dang.
       | 
       | This kind of implies some kind of automated posting as well,
       | since it's unlikely somebody is sitting in front of their
       | computer 24 hours a day to post twice an hour.
        
       | gpspake wrote:
       | Reminds me of one of my favorite drawing books as a kid. [Ed
       | emberly's - Make a World](https://www.amazon.com/Ed-Emberleys-
       | Drawing-Book-World/dp/03...)
        
         | Minor49er wrote:
         | Same here. I loved Ed Emberly's books as a kid. I'm pretty sure
         | I also had the Big Purple Drawing Book, among others, since I
         | remember how he drew robots which I thought was really cool
        
       | Karawebnetwork wrote:
       | So this is where my grandmother learned all this! It seems that
       | years later, she still remembered how to make them.
       | 
       | I spent a lot of time sitting next to her doodling while she did
       | chores around the house. I was always amazed at how she started
       | with triangles, squares and circles and then came up with amazing
       | animals.
       | 
       | They are so identical to her drawings (which we no longer have)
       | that they bring tears to my eyes.
        
       | RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote:
       | Looking at the examples, the step between the last and the second
       | to last of a series is much larger than the other steps. For
       | example the butterfly.
        
         | Tao3300 wrote:
        
         | tptacek wrote:
         | The second-to-last butterfly is the complete, instantly-
         | recognizable shape of the butterfly; the rest is just coloring
         | and shading. Getting the shape right is probably harder! The
         | butterfly also probably makes a point about the importance of
         | getting the basic shape right before you get tangled up in the
         | fine details --- you can be "wrong" about the butterfly pattern
         | and still produce a butterfly, but it's much less ok to be
         | wrong about the shape?
        
         | [deleted]
        
       | sydthrowaway wrote:
       | How does this compare to Loomis books?
        
         | egypturnash wrote:
         | More designey, less emphasis on installing a 3d modeling
         | package in your brain. Much less textual explanation.
        
       | marcodiego wrote:
       | Public domain?
        
       | elihu wrote:
       | See also: "Please, enough with the dead butterflies":
       | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27948008
        
         | YeBanKo wrote:
         | It actually shows how to draw a more or less natural butterfly
         | position.
        
         | layer8 wrote:
         | Dead butterflies look really nice though.
        
       | JKCalhoun wrote:
       | Sort of like, sort of hate these books.
       | 
       | They imply that there is a "trick" to drawing each animal -- if
       | you can just remember the initial shape, small strokes made for
       | each animal. Drawing by memorization.
       | 
       | On the other hand they sort of show you that the final image is
       | built up, not drawn as a single, free-hand, outline.
       | 
       | To be sure though it was a book like this that got me started
       | drawing as a kid.
        
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       | guywithahat wrote:
       | It's crazy how little has changed in drawing styles since the
       | 30's. Those books look like something you could buy today (or at
       | least find on the internet, I'm not sure if people still buy
       | drawing books)
        
         | egypturnash wrote:
         | The fundamentals are always the same. Start with a rough shape
         | that vaguely resembles the thing you're drawing. Work over it
         | to make it look more like the thing. Look at real examples of
         | the thing if you want to. When you reach the desired level of
         | detail, call it done.
         | 
         | The details change over time. New conceptual tools, new mark-
         | making tools. But the process I use as an artist is
         | fundamentally unchanged since the first caveman saw firelight
         | flickering on a bulge in a cave, said "hey, that looks like a
         | bull", then picked up a bit of charcoal to make some marks that
         | make it look even more like a bull.
        
         | zuminator wrote:
         | You actually _can_ buy it today:
         | 
         | https://www.amazon.com/Draw-Animal-Book-Step-Step/dp/1631598...
        
         | noahbradley wrote:
         | I'd say a whole lot has changed in drawing styles. There just
         | happened to be a fairly accessible style of drawing that these
         | sort of books teach which has stuck around well. It can be a
         | nice intro to art and at least starts you thinking about how to
         | construct your drawings. But yeah, once you move past that it's
         | fairly impressive how much things have changed/evolved in
         | drawing.
        
       | dukeofdoom wrote:
       | Flickr has old books with drawings in them. Really fascinating to
       | see some of the visuals from a few hundred years ago.
        
       | ChrisMarshallNY wrote:
       | HTTPS version: https://dessinoprimaire.blogspot.com/2012/02/les-
       | animaux-tel...
        
       | silicon2401 wrote:
       | Curious what advice I can get from HN on this. I've loved drawing
       | since I was a little kid, but gave up in middle school because I
       | just didn't know how to get better and didn't have access to
       | improving (no money, nobody I could ask, etc). As an adult, how
       | can I learn to draw? Ideally in a self-guided way
        
         | jgable wrote:
         | "How to See, How to Draw" by Claudia Nice is a good book for
         | learning to draw in a self-guided way. Doesn't take much money
         | -- $20 at any art supply store can get you a decent drawing
         | book and a decent set of pencils.
        
         | ottobonn wrote:
         | "Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain" by Edwards is a good
         | introduction to drawing. I think in particular it is a good
         | explanation of how much of drawing is learning to look at the
         | world, and exercises to improve your skills of looking at
         | things. One of the big takeaways from this book and other
         | drawing courses I have taken is that once you learn to draw
         | what you see, nothing is particularly easier or harder to draw;
         | in every case you are drawing what you see. The feeling of
         | difficulty in drawing a particular object often comes from
         | trying to parse it into visual symbols, then draw those
         | symbols, rather than seeing the object as a pattern of light
         | and reproducing that on the paper.
        
           | Tao3300 wrote:
        
           | praptak wrote:
           | I also recommend the Betty Edwards book. It took me from
           | stickmen to realistic drawings of chairs and hands :-)
           | 
           | It also makes you appreciate paintings.
           | 
           | Curiously the book from the TFA is doing almost the exact
           | opposite of what DotRSotB recommends. The former is about
           | parsing things into shapes while the latter is like tracing
           | from an imaginary glass in front of you.
        
         | nkrisc wrote:
         | Plenty of good suggestions so I'll just add: draw every day.
         | Guided resources are good but nothing beats _just doing it a
         | lot_. Start with some simple still life. Get a big pad of
         | paper, an easel if you like, and some charcoal. Each time you
         | do a drawing, to begin with, just focus on one aspect of it.
         | Try to just work on getting the perspective right, keeping in
         | mind a vanishing point. Next just focus on light and shadow.
         | Practice drawing circles. Lots of them. Over and over. Draw 100
         | vertical lines on a sheet as straight as you can. Drawing uses
         | specific muscles and requires muscle memory to take the line
         | you want to draw in your mind and translate it onto the page.
         | The only way to build that is by just doing it a lot. Next take
         | your still life objects and draw it from the perspective
         | _opposite_ where you 're sitting, accounting for the light and
         | perspective. Add in some more difficult things like fabrics or
         | objects with fine texture. Your drawings will suck at first.
         | They always do. Save some as you go as a sampling of your
         | progress. From time to time compare your latest ones to your
         | first ones. What's improved? What hasn't improved? Go outside
         | on some lovely day and find a nice comfortable place to sit and
         | just draw whatever you see. Doodle when you're on the phone.
         | Draw in the margins of everything. Just keep drawing.
        
         | Broken_Hippo wrote:
         | If I were going to teach myself to draw today, I'd turn to
         | youtube. There are a variety of tutorials: I usually suggest
         | Alphonso Dunn upfront. He also sells books if that is your
         | preference. The youtube content is free, however, and covers a
         | variety of topics.
         | 
         | Books are great, though its been a while since I've bought one:
         | I think my last was portraits and the human body - these were
         | great reference books and honestly, I still miss them
         | sometimes. If I drew more portraits or city scenes, I'd
         | probably get another set.
         | 
         | And realistically, once you get going for a bit, the main thing
         | is practice. Seriously: The main difference between the
         | experienced artist and the beginner is practice. If you can do
         | 10 minutes most days, you'll start seeing a lot of improvement.
         | Some of these practice pieces should be quick (and sloppy),
         | some take more time.
         | 
         | I'd try a variety of subjects because it'll help you later on,
         | but I'd suggest mostly doing pictures that you personally
         | enjoy.
         | 
         | I would definitely suggest starting with more "traditional"
         | art, mostly realism. While I personally do a lot of abstract or
         | surrealist pieces now, I'm really happy my art instruction as a
         | child (through high school) focused more on tradition because
         | it makes me so much more flexible now. (I'm over 40, by the
         | way). This said, if you really enjoy abstract work, start doing
         | some once you feel you are getting some decent control over the
         | pencil, pen, or brush.
         | 
         | And don't be afraid to go into more permanent media or to more
         | sloppy media: You might find charcoal or pastels to be nice and
         | expressive in ways that graphite won't. Similarity, you might
         | have an affinity for ink. And don't forget trying out dip pens!
         | The only way to get over that hump - and many others - is to
         | just try things.
         | 
         | Oh, and have fun.
        
         | pmoriarty wrote:
         | I'd take an art class. There's nothing like having a talented
         | teacher (if you can find one) and lots of people around you
         | interested in and working with you towards the same goal.
         | 
         | It's hard for most people to stay motivated without that.. and
         | getting good at art just isn't something you can achieve over
         | the weekend. It's for long distance runners, not sprinters.
         | 
         | Apart from that, draw every day. Quantity beats quality, and
         | ultimately results in quality. Overcoming self-criticism and
         | excuses not to just create more art is half of what being an
         | artist is all about.
        
           | al_borland wrote:
           | >I'd take an art class
           | 
           | I've always found finding things like this difficult. Red Ed
           | classes are generally geared for young kids, to expose them
           | to some new hobby, or for old retired people looking for
           | something to do. I've tried a couple and felt very out of
           | place.
           | 
           | There are community colleges, but that seems like a more
           | involved sign up than I'd like (although I did it once in my
           | mid-20s after graducating from university).
           | 
           | Other than that, I struggle to find in-person places to learn
           | things. Art, cooking, gymnastics, etc. There seems to be a
           | big gap in the market for adults looking to learn things
           | without doing it all on their own. Is there something else
           | out there I'm not aware of?
        
             | pmoriarty wrote:
             | Search around for an atelier. They are geared towards
             | learning to draw realistically, using classical techniques.
             | Searching for "atelier training", "atelier drawing" on
             | youtube will show you some results of the kind of thing you
             | can expect. Some are online, some are in person. In person,
             | in my opinion, is best.
        
               | al_borland wrote:
               | I just checked out a video and a lady said she spent 40
               | hours drawing a small sphere. That might be slightly more
               | intense than what I'm after, but probably what I need
               | with my impossible standards.
               | 
               | I do see there is a school just about a mile from me.
               | They have various summer workshops, but many require I
               | take a week off work; they have a couple weekend options
               | too. It looks like they occasionally have some night
               | classes, but they are full. A 10 month long class that
               | doesn't start for 4 months and costs over $2,400 is
               | full... that kind of blows my mind. It seems like doing
               | one of these fundamentals classes would be the way to go
               | before showing up for a 24 hour over 4 day deep dive,
               | live drawing, workshop.
               | 
               | I guess I'll bookmark it and come back to it occasionally
               | to see if something works out for my schedule and current
               | skill level.
        
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         | al_borland wrote:
         | Drawabox seems pretty popular on Reddit. It's pretty strict in
         | the "this is the only correct way to learn" sense. If you're
         | into that, it may be an option. It's self-guided, but you can
         | post to get "graded" along the way so you know where to
         | improve.
         | 
         | I'd love to tell you that I went through all this in 2020
         | during lockdown and now I'm an amazing artist after having a
         | story very similar to yours. However, after buying a full box
         | (12... 20... I don't know) of the fineliners, the first one
         | stopped working almost immediately. The second one was DOA. I
         | pretty much quit out of frustration after that. I recently just
         | bought a 2 pack of a differnt brand (Sharpie), thinking
         | something from a local store may have better luck than whatever
         | Amazon decides to send me. So I'm going to give it another go.
         | 
         | https://drawabox.com
         | 
         | I have seen enough drawing progression posts to accept that
         | drawing is a learned skill and not something you're just born
         | with. I also think patience is a big part of it. When I was in
         | high school, the best thing in my sketch book for art class
         | took me several hours. I was meticulous. Usually I just want to
         | go from nothing to something good in 5 minutes. I've seen posts
         | from people who made amazing stuff who say they spend 50 hours
         | on a drawing. So I guess you get out of it what you put into
         | it.
        
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       | tptacek wrote:
       | Compare to the American classic from 1970:
       | 
       | https://www.google.com/search?q=ed+emberley+drawing+books+of...
       | 
       | Both are extremely charming. Are there other examples?
        
         | egypturnash wrote:
         | Lee J Ames's Draw 50 series.
         | https://www.goodreads.com/series/99108-draw-50
        
       | rdubs333 wrote:
       | Mark Kistler taught me how to draw 30 years ago on TV and he's
       | still at it!
       | 
       | https://www.draw3d.com/
        
       | ralfd wrote:
       | Relevant:
       | 
       | The classic owl meme:
       | 
       | https://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/eccj2/how_to_draw_an...
       | 
       | Drawing "The Tick" with a simple oval:
       | 
       | https://imgur.com/7HMbY
        
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         | al_borland wrote:
         | More relevant:
         | 
         | This book teaches you the middle bit on how to draw the owl.
         | 
         | https://www.flickr.com/photos/taffeta/3523029611/
        
         | tptacek wrote:
         | It'd be more relevant if the owl or Tick memes actually showed
         | you a process to derive a picture of an owl, or The Tick, like
         | this book does with many of the animals it illustrates. But you
         | just knew someone was going to have to drop this meme on this
         | thread.
        
           | xg15 wrote:
           | I dunno. In most of those, the "small details" are actually
           | small - but some, e.g. the butterfly, the boar or well, the
           | owl, get pretty close to r/restofthefuckingowl territory.
        
             | tptacek wrote:
             | Makes sense, pedogogically: if you're really trying to
             | teach anything, it's the idea of abstracting things and
             | building them up from shapes. You'd start by giving step-
             | by-steps for simple animal drawings, and progress to
             | examples that give less hand-holding.
             | 
             | I guess if I have an objection to the owl meme, it's that
             | most of these examples pretty much just work; they're not
             | at all "rest of the owl" throw-aways.
        
               | xg15 wrote:
               | Agreed, which is why I meant _some_ of them. Most of them
               | look reasonably easy to follow, including the last step.
               | 
               | I think in general, the owl meme has its purpose though:
               | I'd see it as a reminder to be aware of "expert
               | blindness": If you have lots of practice in a subject,
               | part of your skills or knowledge will become subconscious
               | and you're at risk forgetting they are acquired
               | skills/knowledge at all. If you try to write an
               | "introduction for beginners" piece without being self-
               | aware about this, things can get frustrating for the
               | people you're trying to teach.
               | 
               | I guess the meme is the art equivalent of "a monad is
               | just a monoid in the category of endofunctors"... :)
        
               | tptacek wrote:
               | Right, I have no objection to the owl meme by itself,
               | just to the idea that these instructions are a good
               | example of it. But people see instructions on drawing an
               | owl and immediately post a meme that effectively says
               | "instructions on how to draw an owl are impossible".
               | Fooey.
        
               | arketyp wrote:
               | The owl meme is an exaggeration of the truth which
               | typically looks like these examples. The frustration too
               | is an exaggeration. I think the meme is very relevant,
               | although, I'll grant you, a bit trite.
        
             | corrral wrote:
             | Cheetah qualifies, too. The last step is like 95% of the
             | work.
        
             | egypturnash wrote:
             | The zebra is very Rest Of The Fucking Zeba. But then again
             | the zebra is also near the end of the book, and essentially
             | a stripey horse. You can sort of infer "well I already
             | showed you how to draw a horse, right? Draw a horse and out
             | stripes on it".
             | 
             | Really the instructional step missing in the last images of
             | a lot of this is "go look at the actual thing and take
             | details from there".
        
               | Tao3300 wrote:
        
       | Pamar wrote:
       | This was already posted twice.
       | 
       | Here is the link to the most successful submission (2019, I
       | think): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20110922
        
         | jmathai wrote:
         | I missed it in 2019. Had I seen it then, I might not have been
         | interested enough to click.
         | 
         | But my daughter just got into drawing animals so this repost is
         | very timely and I'm printing them out for her :).
        
         | tptacek wrote:
         | Thanks for the link! I'm glad to have more comments to read
         | about this. That thread has one of my all-time favorite
         | moderator comments on it.
         | 
         | On HN, stories are "duplicates" iff (a) they've been posted
         | within the last year ("or so") and (b) they've had significant
         | discussion already on those threads. This post flunks (b) but
         | not (a) and is thus cromulent.
        
           | russellbeattie wrote:
           | cro*mu*lent
           | 
           | adjective [HUMOROUS]
           | 
           | acceptable or adequate.
           | 
           |  _" the continental breakfast was perfectly cromulent"_
           | 
           | --
           | 
           | I can never remember that word. For some reason it sounds
           | like it should be an English pastry of some sort.
           | 
           | Everything is eroding slowly?
        
           | Pamar wrote:
           | I mentioned the 2019 posting precisely because it had lots of
           | comments.
        
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       | barefeg wrote:
       | What is the progression that should be followed? I first I
       | thought it was step by step instructions, but some progressions
       | have deleted lines, or lines with modified shape. (Sorry for my
       | ignorance in this subject)
        
         | kqr wrote:
         | It is common to draw helper lines with pencil, then the real
         | shape on top with ink, followed by erasing the helper lines.
        
           | silicon2401 wrote:
           | How do you do that without smudging the ink? On the rare
           | occasion I doodle with some effort, I've found it impossible
           | to erase the pencil lines without just making things even
           | messier in the process lol
        
             | egypturnash wrote:
             | Draw with a light touch on the pencil. Addressing the paper
             | with the side of the pencil point instead of the tip helps
             | a lot - this stops you from making a trench in the paper
             | with graphite at its bottom, and forces you to use a broad
             | line without much detail for blocking things in. (This also
             | helps to train you to draw with your wrist static, which is
             | a good way to keep repetitive stress injuries from
             | happening. It was one of the first things the old pros
             | taught me when I started working in animation, because they
             | had all seen careers cut short by injuries from bad form.)
             | 
             | As you add detail, shift to the tip of the pencil. Your
             | hand will probably smudge the first lines into nothingness
             | as you do this, it's not a big worry. Grab a white plastic
             | eraser or a kneaded eraser, and go at it.
             | 
             | If you decide to go from pencil to ink, you can put some
             | thought into your choice of ink to select one that dries
             | quickly. You can also wait a bit for the ink to dry before
             | erasing. White paint/ink does exist but it's real hard to
             | find some that works well in a portable pen format.
        
         | egypturnash wrote:
         | Generally: use a pencil, not a pen, erase parts you don't want
         | any more. Or work digitally and lower opacity of early roughs
         | to work over in greater detail. These are all examples of
         | blocking in a simple shape and refining it towards an ever-more
         | detailed drawing.
         | 
         | They are rendered in ink lines because that is far easier to
         | reproduce.
        
         | SimonPStevens wrote:
         | I think of it more like a learning guide. Initially you include
         | the guide lines and just sketch over them to refine the shape.
         | Once you've become familiar with the shape you can just draw
         | close to the final version with no guide lines, and just
         | mentally visualise the positions of the guidelines if you need
         | to.
        
           | treeman79 wrote:
           | When I took a college course to improve my art the most
           | important part I took away it was learning to see.
           | 
           | A good session would leave me in wonder as I walked out of ro
           | and could see all the light and shadows on everything. Things
           | you never noticed before.
        
         | Tao3300 wrote:
        
       | lxe wrote:
       | Oh here we go again. Waiting for all the "this is a wrong way to
       | draw" critiques. Keep in mind that this is a children's book
       | about drawing animals using lines, not an anatomical study for an
       | academic artist.
        
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