[HN Gopher] I killed my startup
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       I killed my startup
        
       Author : revorad
       Score  : 68 points
       Date   : 2022-06-09 07:48 UTC (15 hours ago)
        
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       | sys_64738 wrote:
       | Startup 101: What problem are you trying to solve?
       | 
       | OR
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       | Startup 101: What is the problem we can find for our widget?
       | 
       | Which makes money in the long run?
        
         | redanddead wrote:
         | I'd say 2nd one
        
         | yawnxyz wrote:
         | I'd say, "What is the biggest marketplace we can find to adapt
         | our widget to" is probably the better way to go.
         | 
         | Lots of people have problems. Do they have problems big enough
         | they want to pay $X for? Usually not
        
       | thematrixturtle wrote:
       | TL;DR: Because it wasn't getting enough paying customers to make
       | it worthwhile.
        
       | bombcar wrote:
       | >Our website looked good, our app looked stellar thanks to Ryan's
       | design skills, and everyone we talked to said that what we were
       | building is awesome (not "awesome" enough to give us any money
       | though).
       | 
       | This reminds me of "The Mom Test" and why even people who are
       | nice and helpful give you completely useless information and
       | advice if you don't know how to parse it.
       | 
       | As an aside, "parasitic software" is often how you approach these
       | kinds of things - someone complaining about a process in
       | Salesforce or Outlook that they have to do manually probably
       | won't switch to another database or email client, but if you can
       | sell them an app or plugin that works with what they use and
       | _does_ remove the pain point, they 'll be much more open to it.
        
         | itsmemattchung wrote:
         | > to another database or email client, but if you can sell them
         | an app or plugin that works with what they use and does remove
         | the pain point, they'll be much more open to it.
         | 
         | My parents are non-technical small business owners and agree
         | wholeheartedly with the app/plug-in; getting them to change
         | their processes is always an uphill battle. But seamlessly
         | injecting software into their existing workflow tends to be the
         | way to go.
        
           | tmp_anon_22 wrote:
           | Software engineers (and passionate techies in general) are so
           | so so so bad at understanding the true implementation cost of
           | software solutions. Software engineers often believe their
           | product is just so intuitive that they don't consider QA,
           | training, and support, costs and timelines.
           | 
           | Further, people said the app is awesome, people throw
           | positive praise because its cheap and makes everyone in the
           | room feel good. It doesn't mean your app is awesome (what is
           | awesome anyways?).
           | 
           | Startups are hard. Selling to small business is hard. Its
           | worth attempting because you learn an incredible amount about
           | one of the backbones of our society (small business) - but
           | its not for the faint of heart.
        
             | hinkley wrote:
             | It's the same problem with the "answer this PhD thesis
             | problem in half an hour" type questions. We really don't
             | register that sitting with an idea as it unfolds month
             | after month/year, slowly evolving means you can't 'see' it
             | the way anybody else will see it: with not only fresh eyes
             | but with motives that largely revolve around getting
             | through your software and out the other side as fast as
             | they can, because while to you it's a full time job, for
             | them it's an impediment to something else they want to get
             | on with.
             | 
             | We are collectively That Guy, who keeps telling a story
             | after everyone else has started telegraphing their boredom.
             | 
             | It's also why the people who have bagged on Apple for the
             | last 20 years missed out on one of the largest sustained
             | run-ups in stock price so far this century. _Nobody cares
             | about your software unless it 's pissing them off._ If it
             | gets out of their way there's no problem. But you can't
             | 'express yourself' with your software unless you get in the
             | way, at which point people start noticing you and for the
             | wrong reasons. Apple is consistently... less terrible at
             | this than most other companies. "I don't understand.
             | There's nothing special about this software." Yes, that's
             | exactly the point.
             | 
             | This is something we missed when we started crowing about
             | 'software eating the world'. We went from people who
             | indulged us 30 years ago to mostly people who don't,
             | because the 'world' we're eating is everybody who thought
             | computers were kinda dumb.
        
             | bitL wrote:
             | It's not just about understanding implementation cost, but
             | also an IP minefield when you simply can't change some
             | idiocy in Outlook etc. that would make certain things so
             | much better so you end up with learned hopelessness not
             | just as a user, but also as a developer.
        
       | yingbo wrote:
        
         | MarcelOlsz wrote:
         | It's one of many threads posted here that you manually decided
         | to open.
        
       | prattcmp wrote:
       | This feels very similar to my experience. I built a CultureAmp
       | competitor and ran into the same problems.
        
       | rchiba wrote:
       | > Ultimately, the reason that the startup died was because I did
       | not do the due diligence in discerning whether this was a problem
       | that I genuinely wanted to solve with my entire being. That's the
       | bar for creating a successful startup, you need to find a problem
       | that you're willing to dedicate yourself entirely to solving.
       | 
       | My own startup journey has led me to a contrary belief: At the
       | earliest stages of building a business, being flexible and
       | continuously re-evaluating your assumptions in order to find real
       | market opportunities is more useful than having a lot of passion
       | solving a single problem.
       | 
       | If anything, I've met many many founders who have had too much
       | passion about a single problem, which hurts them gravely when
       | they refuse to consider the possibility that the problem they are
       | passionate about is not a problem at all and they need to pivot.
        
         | yieldcrv wrote:
         | I think something similar as you.
         | 
         | Don't get married to a position. That includes things you
         | purchased to sell at a higher price, as well as things you
         | created to sell at a higher price. So it doesn't matter to me
         | that I printed shares on a sheet of paper, I don't treat it
         | differently. If the position doesn't work, move on.
         | 
         | As far as the actual operation goes, I treat it like a
         | precision drone strike. or perhaps an expedition. I don't need
         | to be passionate about it, I just need to recognize the alpha
         | and value extractable. We're going to sail to the New World,
         | get the gold, and distribute the gold when we get back. The
         | end! Pre-plan what is involved and do that thing, don't pursue
         | things more complicated than that, just rule them out and wait
         | for the next idea. Too many people covet an idea because they
         | view it as their one opportunity ever. Its too bad if that's
         | actually true for them.
        
         | garrickvanburen wrote:
         | To your point on being flexible and checking assumptions, I
         | advocate founders to "fall in love with the problem" and
         | clearly articulate why they want to become become experts on
         | this specific problem.
        
       | pedalpete wrote:
       | I'm struck by the terminology "killed my start-up". Should we
       | instead start from the position of our start-ups being dead from
       | the beginning? We can't bring them to life, only our customers
       | can. We can do CPR on the idea. We can try to bring it to life,
       | but our start-ups are default dead until customers bring it to
       | life with revenue.
       | 
       | I'll admit, I hadn't thought of this perspective until reading
       | this post, and I've been in the game for too many years.
       | 
       | There are challenges when bringing any start-up to life. The
       | first one is potentially competitors.
       | 
       | This start-up, Storied, entered a market with competitors that
       | were well backed, had many customers, and are making big names
       | for themselves.
       | 
       | Why did Stephen think Storied could compete in this space? Never
       | in the post did I hear why Storied would be able to compete, what
       | was it's point of difference?
       | 
       | That's like trying to perform CPR on a body with an elephant
       | sitting on it's chest. Unless you can get some leverage to get
       | the elephant off the patient, you 're not going to be able to
       | make a difference.
       | 
       | I may write a blog post examining this thread further if it's of
       | interest to people.
        
       | jph wrote:
       | > your sole focus should be on the problem you're solving
       | 
       | It turns out it's sometimes better to focus on the market area
       | and its participants' value streams, rather than putting your
       | sole focus on just one problem.
       | 
       | Focusing on the market area can enable the startup to discover
       | new problems within the market area, and within the participants'
       | companies. Then the startup can experiment with those problems,
       | and possibly pivot to one of them.
       | 
       | Use the idea of three discoveries: market discovery, customer
       | discovery, product discovery.
       | 
       | For more about this idea, Steve Blank and others emphasize these
       | three aspects and how startups can benefit by understanding them.
        
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