[HN Gopher] Vivaldi Mail 1.0: Email client built into the browser ___________________________________________________________________ Vivaldi Mail 1.0: Email client built into the browser Author : marban Score : 117 points Date : 2022-06-09 16:25 UTC (6 hours ago) (HTM) web link (vivaldi.com) (TXT) w3m dump (vivaldi.com) | jtvjan wrote: | Now just add an IRC client, and they've reinvented the Mozilla | suite. | pkulak wrote: | Except that Mozilla wrote their own engine. | jszymborski wrote: | I miss Presto :( | beebeepka wrote: | Very fast on super slow embedded devices. | marban wrote: | Not complete without Gopher. | hoistbypetard wrote: | Needs Gemini. | mosdl wrote: | History is a closed loop. Maybe they can build their own | browser engine! | TheRealPomax wrote: | "Maybe they can build their own browser again", but the web | is not the cute little thing it was back when everyone was | writing their own engines. Even a small team literally cannot | write a web engine with enough support for the majority of | common use cases anymore. It's literally why Vivaldi went | with an off the shelf engine and focused on the browser part | instead. | memling wrote: | Vivaldi's predecessor, Opera, actually included an IRC client | that I used back in the day. I maintained an interest in | Vivaldi because Opera Mail was easily the best client I've ever | used, and while Vivaldi Mail lacks a few of the features that I | appreciated about Opera (e.g., select-to-quote, default top- | quoting/bottom-response, obvious text-based emails), it's still | far and away the best current desktop application. | oblio wrote: | Opera used to have a torrent client. | z3t4 wrote: | RIP Opera mail, where you could sort mail using Bayesian filters | and everything was grouped by date. | pornel wrote: | Opera Mail was awesome. I've used it while I was involved in | W3C, and I could easily manage the barrage of bikeshed in | multiple mailing lists thanks to its deep tree view of threads | with fine-grained mute for any subtree. | | Nowadays all clients flatten email threads to a single list, | and that becomes unmanageable beyond a handful of e-mails ;( | c_prompt wrote: | I continue to question why email clients with calendar, contacts, | and tasks functionality don't have local sync integrated with | Android or iPhone. Having said that, outside those "basic" | integrated functions, my top 3 requirements to switch from | Outlook are: | | - Full encryption integrated into the client for all data (e.g., | I don't want Windows Search able to index the mail so someone has | access when the client is closed/unencrypted; I also remember | testing Thunderbird years ago and was able to go into the | individual unencrypted .eml files [I think that's what they were] | and read the messages without having Thunderbird opened) | | - Full local sync with Android/iPhone (i.e., home WiFi, | Bluetooth, or USB cable); it still amazes me that Thunderbird | still doesn't have this built-in | | - Xobni-like functionality (e.g., showing all emails and | attachments to/from sender when clicking on an email, keyword | searches); yes, I know the plugin is still available but it | doesn't work properly with current Outlook versions | morsch wrote: | Well, I'm trying out Vivaldi on Android. I've been using Firefox | for, well, forever, but the tab handling[1] is bad enough that | I'm willing to jump ship. | | So far it's... different? The tab handling is better, and I think | I like having actual tabs in a mobile browser. I'm disappointed | that the tab groups don't work as well as in Chrome. I like the | link preview feature, in fact I could imagine all links opening | like that by default (but that's not an option). | | I don't find it all that customizable, that only seems to be true | for the desktop version. For example, I can't get seem to rid of | the history button (which is styled like a sidebar button despite | opening full screen). | | There is no reader mode. There are page actions, which let you | apply all kinds of nonsensical CSS effects such as blur. But no | reader mode. The built-in content blocker doesn't remove cosmetic | annoyances as effectively as Ublock does, which makes me miss | reader mode all the more. | | There don't seem to be any add-ons. | | Overall, not entirely convincing. | | 1. https://github.com/mozilla- | mobile/fenix/issues/20012#issueco... | siproprio wrote: | Last time I tried to use vivaldi for day to day browsing, I gave | up because it was too slow. Have they fixed this? | TheFreim wrote: | I use Vivaldi and there are no speed issues except the initial | startup time and new window launch time. Since I always have a | browser open on my machine the initial startup time isn't | noticed and since I use tabs+tab-groups the new window time | also doesn't matter, but it is a real pain when I /do/ want | multiple windows. | niccl wrote: | Anecdata: I've been using it for a couple of years and not had | any concerns with speed. I don't know what faster would be. I | occasionally have to use firefox or something else on corporate | machines and Vivaldi doesn't seem any slower than that on any | sites I visit. | | I do use Pihole to get rid of ads so maybe that's a factor | aliswe wrote: | what did they say about a software that eventually starts to | check email? | srvmshr wrote: | Jamie Zawinski's comment is a time tested classic which has | survived well e.g. Moore's law or the likes. | mrweasel wrote: | "Every program attempts to expand until it can read mail. Those | programs which cannot so expand are replaced by ones which | can." | | http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/Z/Zawinskis-Law.html | leephillips wrote: | Vivaldi is my main graphical browser. I don't use the mail | client, but I use the feed reader, which shares the interface. | It's convenient, but clunky. You can read news from only one | window, so if, like, me, you use windows instead of tabs, you | have to search through all of Vivaldi's open windows to see which | one gives you access to the news feed. The update didn't seem to | change anything. I like being able to click on a button to be | able to add a site's feed to Vivaldi's list, however. | TheFreim wrote: | > use windows instead of tabs | | I've used Vivaldi as my primary browser for a few months now, | doesn't speed cause you any issues when using new windows? I | really enjoy many of the Vivaldi features but opening a new | window is VERY slow for me (on my good PC and laptop, windows | and linux so OS isn't the issue). | leephillips wrote: | Yes, absolutely. I mentioned this in another comment here: I | get at least a 2-second lag when opening a new window. This | is annoying because I prefer to use windows instead of tabs | and manage them with my tiling window manager. I'm handling | it by, instead of closing a window when I'm done with it, | leaving it open to receive a new URL. | bmarquez wrote: | The great thing about Vivaldi's feed reader is that you can | subscribe to YouTube channels without an account (and without | any ads as well). | | https://vivaldi.com/blog/when-it-comes-to-youtube-and-feed-r... | rcMgD2BwE72F wrote: | Nothing special: | https://addons.mozilla.org/fr/firefox/addon/feed-preview/ | gives you the link to subscribe to all the site's feeds from | any app/website. | | You can also set custom URLs in the add-on preferences to | integrate with any online feed reader (e.g | https://reader.miniflux.app/bookmarklet?uri=%S). I follow | Youtube channels this way. | jszymborski wrote: | I do this (albeit with Thunderbird) and honestly it works | pretty great. | bityard wrote: | Despite not being open source, I appreciate that Vivaldi lets you | customize its UI and behavior to a reasonable degree. It's the | closest thing we have a browser for power users, unlike Chrome | and Firefox who actively remove useful options and features in an | effort to cater to the lowest common denominator (passive content | consumers). | | The built-in mail and calendar functionality looks very nice and | I'm definitely interested in trying them out. | | The main thing I disliked about Vivaldi when I tried it last was | that a lot of websites actively try to prevent automatic saving | and filling of passwords, against all reasonable logic. Firefox | is much better at skirting those efforts, Chrome-based browsers, | not so much. Has Vivaldi improved in this regard lately? (Or is | there an extension that can help with this?) | forgotpwd16 wrote: | >Vivaldi lets you customize its UI | | But still nowhere close to userChrome.css that Firefos has. | | >The built-in mail and calendar functionality looks very nice | | But does having that functionality built-in rather as | extensions offer any advantages? | avgcorrection wrote: | Of course they cater to those awful "passive content | consumers"; they need their online bank much more than you need | your tiling tabs. | am_lu wrote: | I never had this problem. Using vivaldi full time, it remembers | all the passwords (plus my home address and phone number for | registering new accounts on shopping sites). | axolotlgod wrote: | Regarding the open source part, Jon has spoken about it on a | podcast from last year[0][1]. Basically the only think keeping | them from full open-source is the license which they think | would make the company possibly fall to another competitor. | It's hard being a small business, this makes sense to me. They | actively encourage modding of the browser too. | | I'm not sure regarding the prevention of automatic | saving/filling. I use Bitwarden and in my time using Vivaldi, I | haven't had any issues, though maybe someone in the Vivaldi | forums[2] would know? | | [0]: YouTube link: https://youtu.be/ivDiL9XeDw0?t=3410 [1]: | Podcast website: https://destinationlinux.org/episode-243/ [2]: | https://forum.vivaldi.net/ | jhasse wrote: | Why not use AGPL for the UI code? | bastawhiz wrote: | That doesn't stop someone from using your code to build a | compelling competitor product. It just means you need to | pay more lawyers to argue about whether the AGPL was | violated or not and maybe win a lawsuit. | chess_buster wrote: | GitLab took libgit vom GitHub, didn't they? | AlecSchueler wrote: | In regards UI customisation is there anything like Pentadactyl? | stjohnswarts wrote: | I would say use bitwarden rather than the built in password | managers of these browsers, it does a pretty good job and you | aren't tied to one browser. | zeagle wrote: | The killer feature that would make me use this would be EWS/OWA | support. I have used davmail and evolution to access my work | email this way and very few clients seem to be able to do this. | Emclient is probably the best but stopped working presumably due | to changes on our end so no great windows solution currently for | me. | forgotpwd16 wrote: | Related, for anyone wanting a browser that has everything but the | kitchen sink, SeaMonkey is still alive. | eikeegi wrote: | For the life of me, I am unable to add an account to Vivaldi | Mail. I am not 100% sure, but I am guessing that the error is | "ReferenceError document is not defined". | | Edit: after restarting, the message is "Mail client startup | failed. Error: Not yet support for changing primary key". | unethical_ban wrote: | Vivaldi is my android browser, because Firefox has several bugs | and anti patterns there. | | If I were reinstalling my desktop from scratch I would consider | Vivaldi desktop as well. | pipeline_peak wrote: | 2006? | Zachsa999 wrote: | Everyone be critiquing its software license, speed, Gui, but holy | crap tab tiling is the best feature, it increases productivity by | a little bit. | | How many times to you get confused which browser window is in | focus on your desktop | TheFreim wrote: | > tab tiling is the best feature [...] How many times to you | get confused which browser window is in focus on your desktop | | If I'm just using my browser on a window then tab tiling is a | great feature, I've used it quite a bit in Vivaldi, but the | second I start using windows other than my browser it gets | confusing because I have to remember two sets of bindings. | encryptluks2 wrote: | I see people give Chromium crap, but then you have a browser that | is closed source now with access to your email and everyone is | okay with that? | hammyhavoc wrote: | Different demographics will critique different aspects of | different software. There will be an overlap between them, but | it will be relatively small versus the people outside of the | overlapping demographics who have used both. | | E.g. I have tried Vivaldi, but it not being open source means I | don't have a horse in the race. I also don't like Chromium- | based browsers. Which really just leaves Firefox, which I also | don't like, because Mozilla the ever-increasingly out-of-touch | company. | | FWIW: I hypocritically use Gmail because the UX is pretty much | better than the sorry state of native email clients available | on Linux. With that said, I also don't use email for anything | sensitive, that goes via Matrix. Would I give access to my | Gmail to Vivaldi? No. | TheRealPomax wrote: | Not sure how "closed source" is something to have a problem | with in this context? Outlook is closed source, Apple Mail is | closed source, and with rounding we all still use those too? | michaelcampbell wrote: | Not everyone, no, but I'd wager 97% are. | lizardactivist wrote: | To me it makes perfect sense to combine e-mail and browser into | one, with a single click you can either view your web tabs, or | your e-mail. | | I think what stopped me from switching to Vivaldi last time was | lack of secure DNS with DoT or DoH, and no control over TLS 0RTT, | which is a critical security hole masquerading as a performance | optimization. | kelthuzad wrote: | I would prefer a Vivaldi light version without all the bloat. | programmarchy wrote: | For a minute, I thought this was a web app that did POP/IMAP/SMTP | in the browser without a server backend, but I suppose that | wouldn't be possible without browser extensions. | geocrasher wrote: | hfsh wrote: | Honestly, mail, notes, and calendar are the things that _do_ | make sense in a browser for me. Old-school Opera style. | | Noways we basically do the same anyway, but just in a browser | window, not locally. | | [edit: and RSS feeds. RIP] | memling wrote: | > [edit: and RSS feeds. RIP] | | Vivaldi has an integrated RSS reader and Reading List. | unethical_ban wrote: | Are you under 25? This "suite" style of World Wide Web tooling | was quite popular at the turn of the century. It may not be | your style, but I'm surprised at the surprise. | geocrasher wrote: | Nope, 45. I've seen this come full circle. Hated it the first | time around too. | hammyhavoc wrote: | Yeah, wasn't keen the first time around either. Always felt | like a compromise. I like an app for each task, otherwise | it just feels like using a blunt knife to cut something | tough, for want of a better analogy. | eddieroger wrote: | Why reply then? Just move on. I don't think this is a product | for me, either, but I was curious enough to click through and | make that determination, and decided against telling the world. | If you're so disinterested that you don't even want do that, | why reply? | geocrasher wrote: | Probably for the same reason you replied to _me_ , oddly | enough. Funny how that works. | eddieroger wrote: | I replied to you out of curiosity, not because your comment | wasn't for me. I genuinely want to know. | geocrasher wrote: | Fair enough, sir. Sorry for the snark. It's one of those | things. I edited my original comment to explain why I | posted. | longrod wrote: | I don't see how this is any better than opening a browser tab | with a mail client in it? But putting that aside here were a few | problems with Vivaldi and their Mail client the last time I tried | it. | | 1. Vivaldi is slow. It's so slow that you could open 2 tabs on | Brave/Chrome before it opens. | | 2. Side loading speed, memory and CPU usage is a lot more | compared to other chromium based browsers. Don't know why. | | 3. And UI. There are so many options in settings. So many options | and yet very few of them are something I'd want to change or | adjust. I can't skin Vivaldi like Firefox. There are a few | toggles and sliders but their overall effect to the UI is | minimal. | | 4. Not to mention that the UI is in no way fancy or unique. But | that's just personal preference. I like Chrome's simplicity. It | gets out of the way. Vivaldi makes sure you notice the chrome. | | 5. And then the mailing client. I was really excited to try it | out so I logged in via Gmail. As email accounts are these days, | it contained thousands of emails. The surprising thing was | Vivaldi started syncing all of them. Literally downloading | thousands of emails. For no reason other than offline search? Is | that really a good enough reason to make the user wait centuries | while you index all their emails? Maybe they have added some | option to specify which folders you want synced. | | 6. Aside from that, it was really buggy. Opening emails, | composing, etc. Now that it's out of beta I hope those are fixed. | | I went to Vivaldi for the UI. I had heard it was customizable. I | left Vivaldi while it was still loading... | TheRealPomax wrote: | The same benefit of any other mail client: you don't have to | open a tab that connects to the internet to download and sync | just enough data to show "that" there are updates, but not | "what" those updates are until you click through to something | that then needs to pull data to show those changes. | | The real question is "why is this better than a standalone mail | client" like Thunderbird, Apple Mail, or even the hot mess that | is Outlook. To which the answer is "depending on how you do | mail, it might not be better at all. But if you use Vivaldi | already, or if you miss the days of Netscape Communicator 4.7, | or you wish you had a mail client that got updated based on | user feedback more than once every few years, then this might | be something worth looking at for you. | vorticalbox wrote: | > why is this better than a standalone mail client | | In my case its because I always forget to open it or I close | it by mistake. | | I'm always in my browser, github, documentation, jira. so | having it in my browser means I have one less thing to | remember. | keb_ wrote: | > I don't see how this is any better than opening a browser tab | with a mail client in it? | | What mail client are you comparing this to? At least compared | to most webmail clients I've used, these points from press | release are obvious enhancements: | | * Combine all your email accounts and manage them easily from a | single client | | * Indexed offline mail access | | * Built-in feed reader | | * Optionally offline calendar | | I can't speak to the performance issues you've had since I | haven't used Vivaldi. I find offline access and backups of | e-mails important, personally. | pjerem wrote: | Fastmail web client is really nice IMO : clean and fast. | josefresco wrote: | >1. Vivaldi is slow. | | Vivaldi is not slow. I use Chrome, Firefox and Vivaldi every | single day and haven't notice a single hesitation or lag when | launching it. Do you have a very slow PC? | dubcanada wrote: | I have noticed Vivaldi consumes vastly more memory and CPU | resources. | kitsunesoba wrote: | One could argue that if an app in a class of apps is slow on | given hardware while others are not, it's slow, particularly | for something as basic and essential as a web browser. | TheRealPomax wrote: | One could, but that's not the argument that was being made. | I too use Firefox, Chrome, and Vivaldi on a daily basis and | one of those three feels slower than the other two due to | when UI aspects update, and it's not Vivaldi. | longrod wrote: | Last version I tried (5.4 or something), it took >10 seconds | to open. I didn't have too many extensions either. My PC is | far from slow since Chrome/Brave open in <2 seconds. | riidom wrote: | The startup time is indeed pretty slow, but otherwise it's | fast, which is what matters for me. I restart Vivaldi | usually after it got updated, or I reboot my PC, so it | doesn't bother me a lot honestly. | Normille wrote: | >I don't see how this is any better than opening a browser tab | with a mail client in it? But putting that aside here were a | few problems with Vivaldi and their Mail client the last time I | tried it... | | It's not. it's much much worse. I've just spent about an hour | of my life i'll never get back, trying to setup some of my | throwaway email accounts in Vivaldi to save opening WebMail | when I want to check them. A couple of the accounts threw up | server errors requiring me to visit a URL to authorise the | client [ie. Vivaldi] to access the accounts via IMAP. | | Vivaldi showed the server message but made it so that the | message text [including the URL I was supposed to visit, which | ended with a long alphanumeric string] was not selectable. | | Nor could I 'view source' to copy/paste it that way | | Nor could I print the page to PDF to try and retrieve it from | there. | | Nor could I save the data I'd entered for that account, so I | could come back to it later. | | So I was left with the choice of painfully transcribing about | 100 char alphanumeric string by hand [for 2 separate accounts!] | to go to the required authorisation URL, or throw Vivaldi in | the bin. Guess which option I chose? | | Incidentally. There's a special place in hell reserved for | developers who make text on error messages and alerts non- | selectable! | lmkg wrote: | > I don't see how this is any better than opening a browser tab | with a mail client in it? | | One big benefit is the dedicated Side Panel. Keep the folder | view visible on the left while you browser. | | Another benefit, which may or may not matter to you in | particular, is that the client can handle multiple email | accounts without mixing them. This generally isn't possible in | a webpage unless there's a single service that has access to | all mail accounts, which isn't desirable for privacy & security | reasons. But this is admittedly a niche feature. | memling wrote: | > Another benefit, which may or may not matter to you in | particular, is that the client can handle multiple email | accounts without mixing them. This generally isn't possible | in a webpage unless there's a single service that has access | to all mail accounts, which isn't desirable for privacy & | security reasons. But this is admittedly a niche feature. | | Also nice is that you can tile the original email and the | response side by side for sake of context, rather than having | to scroll excessively. | leephillips wrote: | You went to Vivaldi for the customizable UI, but list that as | one of its defects. There are "so many options". | | That's the point, and the reason I use it, despite its relative | heaviness and slowness. | memling wrote: | > 5. And then the mailing client. I was really excited to try | it out so I logged in via Gmail. As email accounts are these | days, it contained thousands of emails. The surprising thing | was Vivaldi started syncing all of them. Literally downloading | thousands of emails. For no reason other than offline search? | Is that really a good enough reason to make the user wait | centuries while you index all their emails? Maybe they have | added some option to specify which folders you want synced. | | You can un/subscribe to IMAP folders in Vivaldi. The mail | options tab also has a toggle for downloading messages for | offline searching and uploading sent messages to the | appropriate folder. | | I'm personally not a huge fan of IMAP, though I've largely | avoided the convergence of phone and computer; I still prefer | to have my email offline on a single device, though I think | these days that's a minority position. I've found that offline | clients do a better job of searching email and contact | management, and I have ready access to the raw text of the | email in case I want or need to find something custom. It also | enables me to make on-site backups. | | > I went to Vivaldi for the UI. I had heard it was | customizable. I left Vivaldi while it was still loading... | | Yeah, with a sufficiently large inbox--or maybe expansive | browsing habits?--I would guess Vivaldi probably is a bit | slower than some of the alternatives. But my usage patterns | accommodate this pretty easily by rarely opening and closing | the browser (after all, it's my email client). My browsing | experience is usually very fast because I disable Javascript | and cookies by default, so I haven't really noticed any | differences compared to more common browsers. | andai wrote: | Disclaimer: It's been a while since I looked into this stuff so | there are probably some inaccuracies below. | | Have you ever used Opera back in the day? (mid 2000s, before | Chrome came out.) AFAIK Vivaldi is made by the same guy who | made Opera, being its spiritual successor. (Opera also had | builtin email, note-taking etc.) IIRC opera itself was sold to | a Chinese company and is now basically a Chrome reskin? (It | used to have its own rendering engine, which was faster in some | benchmarks.) | | As for why Vivaldi is slow, the UI is done in JS (also possibly | nodejs?) rather than C++ in the interest of development speed, | but at the cost of performance and memory usage. | | I did quit using it due the lag on my older machine though. Now | that I've upgraded my hardware I might give it another spin! | smusamashah wrote: | I used opera as main browser from Opera 5 to Opera 10. Use to | have Opera mini on my J2ME phone as well. With every new | version, the stack of bugs from previous versions was piling | up and features were being reduced or getting lost to bugs. | There were bugs in mouse gestures which was my main way to | navigate Opera. Stopped using it when Chrome came. | | If you remember, at some point Opera even use to ship custom | build for you. With name or custom title or something, don't | remember the exact customization. | | My most used utility in Opera use to be notes and irc client | which I used to ask questions basically. Never used mail | though. Vivaldi promise features at the cost of performance. | I have tried to use it 2 or 3 times. It feels sluggish, every | click feels late. Can't use all the packed in features like | that. Opera was always fast, Vivaldi is just not. | netsharc wrote: | I'm a tab-hoarder and Vivaldi with 4-5 windows and 100 tabs | is fast on a Zen 2 Ryzen CPU, except when using the F2 | shortcut key (it's a Spotlight-like quick menu), after | entering a tab title I'm searching for, I have to be very | patient as it freezes for several seconds while iterating | through all the tabs. If I click on any other UI element or | any other Vivaldi window , it crashes... | szundi wrote: | Tried months, maybe a year ago. Could not handle my 15 year old | corporate email accont with 300k emails. | blameitonme wrote: | I'd use vivaldi if they improve their ui | memling wrote: | > I'd use vivaldi if they improve their ui | | Suggestions? | | The interfaces are pretty customizable, so it's surprising to | find that this is a particular problem--unless there's | something specific. | blameitonme wrote: | i honestly don't like their icons and paddings around the | objects, maybe I'm nitpicking but those things go straight to | my head. | | Didn't know that they allow changing the css, will try that | later | memling wrote: | > i honestly don't like their icons and paddings around the | objects | | Under Appearance is "User Interface Zoom." | sphars wrote: | One of the biggest complaints I've seen (and I've experienced | firsthand) is that because Vivaldi is using a completely | custom UI for their browser chrome, it's much slower than | other other chromium-based browsers. For me, it takes 2-3 | seconds from starting the application to being able to use | it, thanks to the rendering is has to do. | | Though I still use Vivaldi thanks to all the customization it | offers. | taylodl wrote: | Isn't a browser something you always have running? | Genuinely curious. Yes, Vivaldi takes a couple seconds to | launch, but how often do you launch your browser? For me a | browser is one of those applications I'm always running and | I rarely shutdown my computer except when applying updates | so the launch time doesn't really affect me. Just wondering | what you're doing different than I. | hammyhavoc wrote: | When I work on audio, I only have my DAW open. I'm sure | modern hardware can handle it, but force of habit really. | leephillips wrote: | The slow startup applies to new Vivaldi windows, too, | unfortunately. This affects me because I use windows | instead of tabs for the most part. Tabs open quickly, but | opening a new window is a 2-second lag. | oxff wrote: | I'd use Vivaldi if it wasn't so very slow. | josefresco wrote: | I don't get this. 3 comments (so far) from people claiming | slowness. I've been using Vivaldi for my "time wasting" | browser (Hacker News, Reddit, Techmeme etc.) for quite some | time and never see any slowness. I launch it dozens of times | each day. I have a 2+ year old i7-9750H with 16 GB of RAM and | I always have Chrome with 4 tabs min, and Firefox with 2 tabs | min open simultaneously with Vivaldi. | yborg wrote: | Perception is reality. One commenter above felt that the | "2-3 seconds" it took Vivaldi to start up was intolerable. | Every post about this browser is always flooded by people | whose main benchmark is that if a browser does not match | Chrome on subjective performance, it's shit. I don't get it | either. | | For me, tab tiling is an absolute killer app, unique to | Vivaldi, and the somewhat slower UI performance than Chrome | is well worth it just for that. | TheFreim wrote: | I think the people complaining about speed use new windows | instead of tabs. I love Vivaldi but new windows take that | 2-3 second load time meaning I don't even consider opening | new windows outside very specific situations. Tab tiling | alleviates this but then I have to remember different | focus/bind schemes from my window manager. | infinitezest wrote: | I'd use it if the browser sync worked at all | memling wrote: | > I'd use it if the browser sync worked at all | | Out of curiosity, what doesn't work? I've had a few issues | where I got logged out, but generally it's been pretty solid | since intro. | sirius87 wrote: | If you know CSS, you can tinker with the actual browser UI. | | /opt/vivaldi/resources/vivaldi/style/common.css | TheRealPomax wrote: | You know where to find their issue tracker, help them help you? | alephnan wrote: | > A powerful email client built right into your browser. | | But I don't see a link to demo this on the web? There are only | CTAs to download? | lmkg wrote: | You seem to be misunderstanding. "Built right into the browser" | means that it is a feature of Vivalid, which is a browser, like | Chrome. This is the _opposite_ of a page. It 's not _through_ | the browser, it 's _built into_ the browser. | sergiotapia wrote: | Just set up my email and calendar with Vivaldi. I'm probably | going to switch from Brave, the features work really well. I miss | Opera so much this feels like home. I'm back in 2004. :) | e9 wrote: | Is there a reason why you are not happy with current Opera | browser? ___________________________________________________________________ (page generated 2022-06-09 23:00 UTC)