[HN Gopher] The pre-Ghibli work of Hayao Miyazaki and Isao Takahata
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       The pre-Ghibli work of Hayao Miyazaki and Isao Takahata
        
       Author : zdw
       Score  : 142 points
       Date   : 2022-06-12 15:56 UTC (7 hours ago)
        
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       | thegeekpirate wrote:
       | A few years ago I watched the entirety of Ghibli's collection
       | (besides Tales From Earthsea) with my family, having only seen
       | Grave of the Fireflies and Spirited Away previously.
       | 
       | Every single film was fantastically unique and worth the watch.
        
         | SomeBoolshit wrote:
         | I've recently gone through a couple of the "must watch" Ghibli
         | films, as well, and they really get you hooked into the story
         | and you immediately forget that no, you shouldn't go to some
         | guy and apply for a job just because you just got thrown into a
         | fantasy world and it's the thing to do. Really good stuff.
        
       | clairity wrote:
       | interesting, these are more 'western' than the ghibli catalog as
       | a whole, which does have some western stories. it almost seems
       | like they were looking for less familiar material, much like i've
       | been doing for the past number of years by watching more
       | 'eastern' (chinese/japanese/korean) content. still, looks like i
       | have some watching to do!
       | 
       | as a sidenote, i'm happy vulture put "spirited away" and "my
       | neighbor totoro" at the top of their ghibli rankings[0]. these
       | two films are amazing. i wouldn't have ranked "castle in the sky"
       | at 3, but do agree that "grave of the fireflies" and "princess
       | kaguya" should rank highly. "howl's movie castle" or "ponyo"
       | would probably be #5 for me. "arrietty" would be last, despite me
       | not having seen 5 of the films yet.
       | 
       | [0]: https://www.vulture.com/article/best-studio-ghibli-films-
       | ran...
        
         | toyg wrote:
         | _> these are more  'western' than the ghibli catalog as a
         | whole_
         | 
         | Up to the Disney contract, the Ghibli heads (Hayao Miyazaki,
         | Isao Takahata, and Toshio Suzuki) were explicitly interested in
         | exploring japanese issues. Their priority was always to do well
         | in Japan, and to communicate their views on japanese problems
         | (like environmental and societal pressures typical of the
         | country) and japanese lore. Some of the later tensions with
         | Disney producers, which eventually resulted in them parting
         | ways, were precisely due to pressure from the States to make
         | the material more accessible to international audiences.
        
         | dmitriid wrote:
         | Nausicaa is the go to movie for me these days even though I
         | love Spirited Away and all the other movies.
        
       | hitekker wrote:
       | This is a fun article. One of my favorite youtube videos is a
       | collection of scenes (presumably) animated/directed by Miyazaki
       | before he started Ghibli:
       | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SANfYqmNz6U
        
       | paganel wrote:
       | I very heartily recommend the first Lupin the 3rd TV series [1].
       | The Hayao Miyazaki and Isao Takahata episodes are of course
       | excellent, but what surprised me when I watched the series
       | (almost 20 years ago by now) were the first 6-7 episodes,
       | directed by Masaaki Osumi, they had a (slight) bleakness to them
       | that was really special.
       | 
       | Also, Future Boy Conan is really excellent, too. Its
       | ending/credits song is one of the best ever when it comes to
       | anime.
       | 
       | [1]
       | https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=8...
       | 
       | [2]
       | https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=...
       | 
       | [3] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEq7m_6odoc
        
         | toyg wrote:
         | The original manga of Lupin III, by the late Monkey Punch
         | (Kazuhiko Kato), is basically a psychedelic '70s Bond with
         | heavy noir undertones. It's also very adult, with pretty
         | explicit sex scenes and jokes.
         | 
         | The TV series obviously toned it all down, but the first season
         | is the closest to the original material - hence the bleakness
         | and the crazy jazz score. Unfortunately it's also the worst one
         | from a technical perspective, although it's one of the few
         | products of that time that will continue to be watched probably
         | forever, hence acting as a document.
        
         | labster wrote:
         | The early episodes of Lupin III, especially the first ones, are
         | something of an acquired taste. 1970s animation is so much more
         | sparse than the bubble economy anime later on. The Woman Called
         | Fujiko Mine captures a lot of the feel of the early episodes
         | but with modern animation and themes.
         | 
         | It is a great show, it's just... variable. Some of this is by
         | design, as a Jigen plot is going to be darker than a Fujiko
         | focused episode. Every once in a while there will be an episode
         | that's pitch perfect and has a Spruce Goose (I wonder who
         | directed that one?) but then the next episode is a bit lame.
         | 
         | Or there's the version with better music, Cowboy Bepop. The
         | tone is a bit darker because the Lupin analogue is age twelve
         | but it's still fun.
        
         | leoc wrote:
         | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vt2tm9B6A4E is a pretty good
         | video essay which discusses Miyazaki's Lupin TV work, and of
         | course _Castle of Cagliostro_.
        
       | kome wrote:
       | I watched many of them as a kid and I had no idea they were by
       | Miyazaki and Takahata. I loved to watch Lupin after school.
        
         | layer8 wrote:
         | .
        
           | woodruffw wrote:
           | He also directed a couple of episodes of one of the shows,
           | IIRC. So they might have also seen those.
        
             | leoc wrote:
             | He directed the second half of the first (full) TV series
             | and a couple of episodes of the second series, apparently.
             | His Lupin work also probably had a fairly big impact on
             | later film and TV versions of the character.
             | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vt2tm9B6A4E is a pretty
             | good little video essay.
        
       | 310260 wrote:
       | I didn't know Nausicaa wasn't animated by Ghibli! I just assumed
       | cuz it's been promoted with Miyazaki's name on it.
        
         | skohan wrote:
         | I discovered Nausicaa on Netflix last year, and was so
         | impressed! Incredible world building, and you can see so much
         | of its DNA in other media which has come after. Rey from the
         | new Star Wars for example seems almost directly lifted from the
         | film.
        
           | layer8 wrote:
           | I recommend reading the manga (written and drawn by Miyazaki)
           | on which the movie is based, which is on another level, and
           | has a nice English edition from Viz:
           | https://www.viz.com/read/manga/nausicaa-of-the-valley-of-
           | the...
        
             | toyg wrote:
             | Iirc, the manga was started shortly before or even during
             | actual production of the movie, but completed and published
             | much later. So it's not a straightforward "based on", in
             | many ways - it's a bit like the latter part of Game of
             | Thrones. But I agree that the manga is better, simply
             | because it has time to fleshen out every aspect of the
             | story.
        
         | toyg wrote:
         | It was designed by Miyazaki though, who also wrote and drew the
         | manga (which is better than the movie, having space for more
         | material, of course). You can see Miyazaki aesthetic throughout
         | all his works, pre and with Ghibli.
        
       | pkdpic wrote:
       | Crazy they put Conan so close to the bottom imho. It's absolutely
       | amazing. And they recently (finally) dubbed it and rereleased it
       | bluray.
        
       | Dracophoenix wrote:
       | This article forgot to mention the first Japanese adaptation of
       | the Moomins (1969) (https://myanimelist.net/anime/8234/Muumin)
        
       | United857 wrote:
       | Another good one is The Last Unicorn. While Miyazaki himself
       | wasn't involved, it was animated by Topcraft, the company that
       | did Nausicaa, and most of them would go on to be the core team of
       | Studio Ghibli.
        
         | Dracophoenix wrote:
         | As a side note, Topcraft (of which many animators later formed
         | the Pacific Animation Group) also designed and animated the
         | original ThunderCats and Silverhawks.
        
           | agumonkey wrote:
           | definition of slick
        
         | TedDoesntTalk wrote:
         | The theme song to The Last Unicorn is something of a meme,
         | isn't it?
        
           | scrame wrote:
           | Is it? The soundtrack is done by America, and the film itself
           | is excellent, with a great cast (Angela Lansbury, Jeff
           | Bridges, Mia Farrow, Christopher Lee and Alan Arkin). It's
           | also fairly scary for what's nominally a kids movie.
        
             | _ph_ wrote:
             | Fun fact: Christopher Lee also took his part in the German
             | version of the movie. What a talented man he was.
        
         | scrame wrote:
         | Topcraft also did the more lackluster (though personal
         | favorite) Flight of Dragons, as well as the Rankin/Bass
         | productions of The Hobbit and Return of the King, which
         | bookended the aborted rotoscoped Lord of the Rings by Ralph
         | Bakshi.
        
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