[HN Gopher] Interview with Marc Andreessen on Learning to Love t...
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       Interview with Marc Andreessen on Learning to Love the Humanities,
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       Author : jseliger
       Score  : 59 points
       Date   : 2022-06-15 19:25 UTC (3 hours ago)
        
 (HTM) web link (conversationswithtyler.com)
 (TXT) w3m dump (conversationswithtyler.com)
        
       | willsher wrote:
       | Humanities - history, geography, politics, religion and partially
       | are economics, are our legacy; what we are and therefore what we
       | can become. They are arts not sciences. Oral and written
       | tradition for generations before technology & science. Of course
       | this is important to humans, and as a species we should embrace
       | it. Computers should augment us, not replace is.
        
         | farnsworth wrote:
         | These topics are incredibly important, and yet it's extremely
         | difficult to make a living studying them, and people are
         | routinely mocked for attempting to do so. One day we will
         | realize that an entire society made up of engineers and
         | managers is not a healthy one. How can we fix this when "stuff
         | that people will pay for" is pretty much the only meaningful
         | measure of value?
        
       | borroka wrote:
       | He is a smart person, but not as brilliant as I thought he was
       | (and I am not getting this impression just from this interview, I
       | have been following him for a long time).
       | 
       | And the same is true for many other VC types, who, if it were not
       | for the fact that founders and companies need their money, would
       | have the same intellectual and "lived-life" weight of your run-
       | of-the-mills 9-to-5 office worker.
       | 
       | He speaks way too fast which gives the impression is "throwing
       | up" words instead of making a point. Chill. It is an interview,
       | not a slam poetry the-quickest-wins contest.
       | 
       | He is asked how to identify talent and after working in VC for
       | 15-20 years he gives a made-up answer on the spot. I don't think
       | he is guarding some secrets, it appears he has not developed a
       | theory. Which is fine, or the theory is implicit, he is looking
       | for "vibes" more than "hard" traits after all the necessary boxes
       | are checked (smart, persistent, able to articulate thoughts).
       | Hard to disagree. If there were a secret, it'd be out there
       | already found. But the made-up answer was not impressive at all
       | (a videotape of when they were kids? Come on).
       | 
       | He talks about web3 and he comes up with ways of monetizing, say,
       | podcasts with proposals that you would expect from a teenager. At
       | the end, he basically admits he has no clue and the future will
       | take care of itself.
       | 
       | He has watched many movies, but he doesn't have a favorite one.
       | 
       | He seems unfazed by selection biases. Peter Thiel is a great at
       | recognizing talent, he says. How many would be recognize with
       | 1/1000th of his money and how many he did not recognize?
       | 
       | He repeats "insights" and "talking points" gotten from twitter,
       | social media, the usual playgrounds that myself, a total nobody,
       | could repeat with more flavor.
       | 
       | He had a few interesting insights (saying they were "brilliant"
       | would be quite arrogant on my part), surely. Not enough to be
       | considered "brilliant".
        
         | CalChris wrote:
         | It's hard to take A16Z seriously after they opened a crypto
         | fund and invested in Adam Neumann.
        
       | mellosouls wrote:
       | Great interview. Nice to read a tech leader with more cultural
       | hinterland and intellectual diversity than the normal
       | marketing/coding/mountain biking dreariness.
        
         | smohare wrote:
        
           | titanomachy wrote:
           | It is actually kind of interesting to me that he grew up
           | somewhere where it was unusual to have a passport or leave
           | the state for college. It's not a perspective I'm very well-
           | acquainted with.
        
           | tomcam wrote:
           | Is that the way you would like your own posts responded to?
        
       | xcambar wrote:
       | I'm confused.
       | 
       | When MA talks about "humanities", I feeel like he is only
       | describing "behaviorism" and "behavior psychology", which would
       | be, at the very least, intellectually misleading.
        
         | tannhaeuser wrote:
         | Honestly, I'm not entirely sure what _humanities_ stands for in
         | the US (or UK, AUS, SA, ...) education context, if it has even
         | a fixed meaning over time. Like the (Humbold-esque?)
         | categorization of _Naturwisschenschaften_ vs
         | _Geisteswissenschaften_ in my country /language, it seems to be
         | partly used for dissing the humanities, but _Reine
         | Wissenschaften_ (where you 're getting a degree in philosophy
         | when studying maths) seems absent?
         | 
         | I found it telling when the interview was touching Florence and
         | The Medici, that renaissance humanism (with its all-important
         | aspect of rediscovering, republishing, and preserving antique
         | text material) wasn't connected to the humanities topic. Maybe
         | it was more of a Venice thing, but I saw it as a lost
         | opportunity to learn more of Andreessen's opinion on
         | preservation of our digital heritage (or lack thereof) seeing
         | as he developed Netscape from Mosaic etc.
        
           | jfengel wrote:
           | The terminology is vaguely defined. In the mouth of a techie,
           | I'd assume they mean "everything that gets studied but isn't
           | STEM or business", with a connotation "and is therefore easy
           | since it doesn't have a rigorous grading system".
           | 
           | There are links between Renaissance humanism and what is now
           | called "humanities". The Humanists weren't just about the re-
           | naissance of Greek and Roman works, but also about creating
           | new ones. A lot of humanists were poets, painters, and
           | writers -- fields often lumped in with "humanities". There
           | was also a rebirth of what the Greeks called philosophy,
           | which also included subjects that we'd call sociology (laws,
           | ethics, forms of government, etc.) Sociology is also treated
           | as adjacent to humanities.
           | 
           | Techies do need to learn that the easily-measurable aspects
           | of a technology are not the only important ones. We use tech
           | because it appeals to us as humans, using the yardstick of
           | our perceptions of things. Humanities are easily dissed
           | because they're hard to measure objectively, but that doesn't
           | mean they're unimportant. Indeed, they may be more important
           | precisely because we haven't (yet) learned them well enough
           | to be simple.
        
         | HillRat wrote:
         | The fact that Andreessen is becoming a humanities autodidact
         | through Burnham (the later arch-conservative Burnham, rather
         | than the Marxist Burnham, I assume) is ... well, it's an
         | interesting choice, I suppose. About the only thing that's
         | stood the test of time as anything more than a curiosity is
         | "The Managerial Revolution," but as socioeconomic analysis
         | Chandler did it later, and better; and as geopolitical theory
         | Mahan did it first, and better. I have a hunch he's going back
         | to "Suicide of the West" and its bloody-minded anti-liberalism
         | (in the "western liberal democracies" sense of "liberal") which
         | Carl Schmidt did first, and better (using that word advisedly).
         | All in all, it's an idiosyncratic self-education that's mired
         | in a very specific far-right midcentury worldview.
        
           | soSadm4n wrote:
           | Marc rides on the coattails of better thinkers and engineers
           | who came before and had less to build on. At this point he's
           | a contemporary American elite grifter who relies on the small
           | government meme despite being of a generation that benefited
           | from a social safety net.
           | 
           | Seeing Gen X tech leaders as great thinkers when they're
           | riding the wave of the world rebuilding after WW2 is so
           | bizarre to me; none of Marc's work is fundamental to anything
           | these days. Thousands of others understand these systems at
           | the same level.
           | 
           | It's a LARP, it's propaganda. It's taking intentional
           | advantage of quirks in lizard brain biology. He's smart but
           | he's not owed fawning deference. I just can't under people
           | with deferential behavior towards people like him anymore.
           | 
           | Not that you putting it out there like that. Just saying; to
           | keep it's all a rise and fall of biology. The spiraling
           | rambling they put on is a show for people who don't know
           | better.
        
             | missedthecue wrote:
             | Marc grew up in the rural Midwest during Reagan's 1980s.
             | Not sure what you mean that he's some great beneficiary of
             | direct social welfare.
        
               | danans wrote:
               | In what way did growing up in the rural Midwest in the
               | 80s mean Andreesen didn't benefit from social welfare?
               | 
               | Public schools and universities like his alma mater UIUC
               | are a pretty clear example of social welfare heavily
               | subsidized by taxpayers, especially in the 80s when you
               | could attend an elite public university for a very low
               | price, and have little to no student debt.
               | 
               | Food stamps and SSI aren't the only forms of public
               | assistance.
        
               | MrMan wrote:
               | Word
        
               | soSadm4n wrote:
        
       | smm11 wrote:
       | I guess you just had to be there when we'd hold our breath for
       | Netscape nightlies.
        
       | unicornmama wrote:
       | Great fluff piece for the ponzi and fraud GOAT.
        
         | ilrwbwrkhv wrote:
         | Who is?
        
       | kyoob wrote:
       | Good on Tyler for pressing on the advantages of Web 3.0 for
       | artists. I didn't really find MA's answers satisfactory.
        
         | MisterBastahrd wrote:
         | There are few actual good use cases for NFTs in ways that
         | actually matter, buuuut... even in the case that a highly
         | talented but unknown artist hits it big one day, there's
         | nothing that is going to prevent the current owner from selling
         | the art without going back to the NFT to compensate the artist.
         | That's a pipe dream outside of the purely digital space.
        
           | 121789 wrote:
           | Why do people always use art as an example? Couldn't you do
           | it with something like cars (where the car doesn't start
           | until you prove you have the NFT)? I'm completely unfamiliar
           | the with the space
        
             | pavlov wrote:
             | Would the NFT-locked car require a live blockchain
             | connection and refuse to open its doors if it hasn't been
             | able to sync its node after a certain time? So you'd get
             | locked out of your car if mobile Internet goes down?
             | 
             | If it doesn't do this, then you can steal the car by
             | selling the NFT, simultaneously disabling the car's
             | Internet connection, and driving off. Now the NFT is held
             | by one person but the physical car is held by another.
        
               | Jarwain wrote:
               | Would likely require a form of NFT that's a little
               | different and probably more complex than the current
               | forn. Something about having the car key also be a
               | cryptographic key, and transfers of the NFT invalidating
               | keys or requiring rotation.
        
               | AlexandrB wrote:
               | What is it with NFTs and solving theoretical problems in
               | extremely complex ways. Car thefts at at 1/3 of what they
               | were in the 90s, and the existing mechanisms for
               | buying/selling cars work just fine. Why do we need to
               | introduce car DRM with brittle, distributed access
               | control systems? You're more likely to get your tires or
               | cat stolen - no NFT is going to prevent that.
        
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