[HN Gopher] How Ice Cream Became the Ultimate American Comfort Food
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       How Ice Cream Became the Ultimate American Comfort Food
        
       Author : rntn
       Score  : 25 points
       Date   : 2022-06-18 14:51 UTC (1 days ago)
        
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       | klodolph wrote:
       | Given the prevalence of lactose intolerance I think it's hard to
       | classify ice cream as "the ultimate" comfort food.
       | 
       | When I hear people talking about "comfort food" it's usually
       | talking about simple (easy to prepare), high-carbohydrate foods
       | with balanced proteins like mac & cheese, spaghetti & meatballs,
       | pizza, grilled cheese sandwiches, etc. The stuff you'd feed to
       | children with unsophisticated palettes and an unending desire for
       | calories and protein.
        
         | willcipriano wrote:
         | > The stuff you'd feed to children
         | 
         | Perhaps that's why it's comforting? Reminds you of a simpler
         | time, dad taking you out for ice cream on a summer day.
        
           | gunfighthacksaw wrote:
           | Also hearty food traditional to the culture(s) you exist in.
           | 
           | When I'm in the UK, bangers and mash. In Central Europe some
           | cutlet and sauerkraut.
           | 
           | This is also because I ate it with my grandparents and they
           | probably enjoyed it from the war when meat was scarce and it
           | was hard to get food from other lands. Like you say, a
           | simpler time.
        
         | kortilla wrote:
         | > lactose intolerance
         | 
         | > mac & cheese
         | 
         | > pizza
         | 
         | > grilled cheese sandwiches
         | 
         | I think I have some bad news for you about where cheese comes
         | from...
        
         | lr4444lr wrote:
         | Sugar is both serotonergic and dopaminergic, IIRC. Not as fast
         | and intensely as alcohol, but it's pretty good.
        
         | jmyeet wrote:
         | So ice cream isn't the ultimate comfort food because of lactose
         | intolerance but that's a factor in 3 of the 4 other foods you
         | mentioned.
         | 
         | You also say an "unednding desire for calories and _protein_ ".
         | *Protein?" Where? Even with metaballs you're not really eating
         | that much meat (aka protein). Did you mean fat?
         | 
         | It's kind of a weird take overall. Ice cream clearly has huge
         | cultural significance in the US as a comfort food.
        
           | klipt wrote:
           | > "Protein?" Where?
           | 
           | Cheese is very high in protein. It's basically concentrated
           | milk. Obviously not lactose free though.
        
             | sokoloff wrote:
             | Hard cheeses tend to be low in lactose, often enough to not
             | bother people who are moderately lactose intolerant.
        
           | jayd16 wrote:
           | Cheese is low lactose compared to cream.
        
         | micromacrofoot wrote:
         | Plenty of good tasting plant based ice creams... I don't even
         | bother eating the real thing unless i'm out somewhere
        
         | adeelk93 wrote:
         | There are so many dairy free options nowadays, I hardly feel
         | the inconvenience of lactose intolerance. Including on ice
         | cream.
        
       | elitee_hacjerz wrote:
        
       | paulpauper wrote:
       | It tastes good and is cheap , i guess
        
         | r3trohack3r wrote:
         | It's pretty amazing that it's cheap. A lot to be taken for
         | granted in that statement.
         | 
         | https://www.humanprogress.org/from-palace-to-parlour-the-sto...
        
       | LegitShady wrote:
       | I think this article fails to support the claim that ice cream is
       | the ultimate American comfort food.
        
       | wrycoder wrote:
       | Here in New England, we judge a town by how easy it is to get
       | good ice cream (not from the market). We eat it year-round, even
       | when it's snowing. In NH, we pour maple syrup on snow and eat
       | that, also.
       | 
       | Most ice cream is too sweet - vanilla and pistachio are good
       | choices.
        
         | hprotagonist wrote:
         | grape nut ice cream, kid.
         | 
         | or go north (or in your case, west) and get you a maple creemee
        
         | s0rce wrote:
         | Maple syrup on snow is amazing, I had that as a kid in Canada
         | (Ontario and Quebec).
        
         | irrational wrote:
         | I truly don't understand pistachio ice cream. Is it an acquired
         | taste? Do you have to eat it as a small child to grow up liking
         | it?
        
           | jmyeet wrote:
           | The problem with pistachio is that there are a lot of bad
           | pistachio ice creams and gelatos (IMHO). There's really an
           | art to getting it to where it both isn't bitter and isn't too
           | sweet. Ben & Jerry's for example is typically way, way too
           | sweet (in any flavour). There are a couple of exceptions but
           | I can't eat B&J's Pistachio. YMMV.
           | 
           | My particular poison is pistachio of hazelnut gelato. In both
           | cases with correct balance you get something with a nutty,
           | creamy flavour.
           | 
           | It's not something I had until I was an adult so it's not a
           | childhood thing either.
        
             | 1123581321 wrote:
             | Do you have favorite pistachio brands? I've never really
             | liked it, aside from one of the decent mass market brands,
             | Breyer's, perhaps.
        
             | mc32 wrote:
             | Like rum-raisin. It depends how they make it.
             | 
             | I've heard laboratorio del gelato in NYC is good. Never
             | been to it --one day I may go pay a visit.
        
           | normac2 wrote:
           | This might be a case where people genetically taste things
           | differently, because pistachio ice cream wasn't an acquired
           | taste for me at all. Just seems delicious, though maybe a
           | hair off the map of the kind of taste you usually get in ice
           | cream.
        
       | linsomniac wrote:
       | My wife really wanted ice cream this summer, last summer we
       | largely went without because we were eating low fat+low sugar. We
       | got one of those Ninja Creami things and it's been pretty
       | fantastic. Much better than the low cal ice cream options at the
       | store. We can make a pint with between 120 and 300 calories,
       | depending on what we do.
       | 
       | It's almost like a shaved ice machine on steroids, it has an
       | impeller that starts at the top and moves down through the frozen
       | mixture and then back up. It's a knock off of some $5,000
       | commercial machine. Instead of folding air and fat into the
       | mixture while freezing, you freeze the container and then it
       | completely destroys the ice crystals.
       | 
       | I tend to do a mix of a third cup of 0% yogurt, a tbsp of
       | allulose (fairly expensive sugar substitute so most store
       | products don't use it), a pinch of xantham gum, and then the
       | remainder fruit (cherries, blueberries, mango, peaches, pears).
       | I've also done a can of low sugar canned fruit, xantham gum,
       | allulose, comes out kind of like a sorbet.
       | 
       | My wife does a base using low fat evaporated milk, and she gets a
       | lot fancier (making low sugar mix ins, exotic flavors like coffee
       | bourbon), and those come out much richer. Those are more like 260
       | calories/pint. It also allows you to taylor the flavor, for
       | example I'm happy with mine much less sweet than grocery store
       | ice creams.
       | 
       | It seemed fairly gimicky, and we avoided it for quite a while
       | because of that, but she found it on sale for $150. Full price is
       | $200, woot had them refurb for $100 last week. Fairly expensive,
       | and noisy as hell, but we use it pretty much daily.
        
       | amelius wrote:
       | Do Americans eat more ice cream than, say, Italians?
        
         | dr_dshiv wrote:
         | I don't know, but the cost of a scoop of ice cream in the
         | states is like $4... maybe more. In Amsterdam, you get it
         | everywhere for EUR1.50 to EUR2. So, when it is summertime, an
         | ice cream a day is pretty typical consumption. Meaning, it has
         | become more luxury to have ice cream in the states. (Maybe I'm
         | wrong, this is a sense I have, open to correction).
        
           | jmyeet wrote:
           | $4? Maybe if you're buying artisanal gelato from SF, West LA
           | or Manhattan. Think Salt and Straw.
        
           | aidenn0 wrote:
           | I live in the US and I don't think I've ever paid $4 for a
           | scoop of ice cream in the US, but I haven't bought a scoop in
           | the last two months, so perhaps the recent supply
           | chain/inflation issues have happened.
           | 
           | There is one place I know that charges $4 for what they call
           | a single scoop, but it is about 3x bigger than any scoop
           | elsewhere, and it's a pricey place in general ($8.50 for a
           | malt).
        
           | chrisseaton wrote:
           | You can buy ice cream by the _gallon_ (4.5 litres!!) in the
           | US. It can't be that expensive! In the UK half a litre (a
           | pint) is considered a lot of ice cream.
        
             | grzm wrote:
             | 5 quarts (4.7 liters) is common size. Yes, it's cheap. But
             | not usually very good quality, though.
        
             | irrational wrote:
             | Are we talking about eating it all yourself or sharing with
             | the entire family?
        
               | chrisseaton wrote:
               | That's the size it's available in, so either.
        
           | kortilla wrote:
           | > I don't know, but the cost of a scoop of ice cream in the
           | states is like $4...
           | 
           | Only in hip ice cream places. $4 is about the going rate for
           | those 1.5 quart (1.4 liter) cartons at the grocery store.
        
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             | sjf wrote:
             | The grocery store is always going to be cheaper. $4 is the
             | _low_ end of a single scoop in the bay area. And not for
             | some hipster, plant-based organic ice cream either, this is
             | at a regular parlor like Fenton 's.
        
             | wyager wrote:
             | Hip places charge like $15 for a cup of ice cream and do
             | weird (but tasty) gastronomy gimmicks like liquid nitrogen
             | freezing or maltodextrin usage. You pay more than $4 at
             | normie chains like coldstone.
        
               | 1123581321 wrote:
               | Coldstone serves 5-12oz plus toppings made and mixed on-
               | premise. Something like a food truck cup or cone is
               | closer to $2. Baskin Robbins is perhaps $3 for a one
               | scoop cone. But like the other user said, many Americans
               | would rather buy a half gallon or gallon from a grocery
               | store or c-store for $5 and eat too much of it. :)
        
         | kortilla wrote:
         | Yes, at least if you follow the weird requirements to qualify
         | as "ice cream" in the US. The gelatos that Italians usually
         | enjoy do not have enough butterfat to be considered "ice cream"
         | by the USDA. So strictly speaking, people in Italy eat very
         | little "ice cream" because their traditional recipes don't use
         | enough fat.
         | 
         | Incidentally, this is why places that serve Italian-style ice
         | cream have to explicitly market it as "gelato" and not "ice
         | cream".
         | 
         | Total derailment from your actual question, but a
        
           | Avshalom wrote:
           | Yeah some quick searches suggest we eat ~3x as much as Italy
           | but it's hard to tell what all is being included in
           | worldatlas.com or whatever
           | 
           | Notably there's also sherbets, frozen custards, soft-serve,
           | frozen yogurt and a shit ton of cheap frozen-dairy-dessert.
           | Not counting the various non-dairy frozen stuff like granita,
           | sorbet, "Italian ice"
           | 
           | VS whatever else they're eating over in Italy
        
       | cableshaft wrote:
       | J.J. McCullough made an informative and entertaining video about
       | the history of American ice cream as well. He makes a lot of
       | videos diving into the history of American (as well as Canadian,
       | as he's Canadian) culture:
       | 
       | https://youtu.be/gvT3FHLy484
        
       | monkeybutton wrote:
       | Is the ice-cream barge a recent revelation or am I just attuned
       | to seeing references to it? I only learned about it recently and
       | since then it's popped up multiple times.
        
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