[HN Gopher] FixPhrase - open-source, patent-free what3words alte...
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       FixPhrase - open-source, patent-free what3words alternative
        
       Author : nodoodles
       Score  : 22 points
       Date   : 2022-06-21 21:22 UTC (1 hours ago)
        
 (HTM) web link (fixphrase.com)
 (TXT) w3m dump (fixphrase.com)
        
       | sixhobbits wrote:
       | What stops W3W legal team shutting down this ohe like they did to
       | the other open source implementation?
        
         | 1970-01-01 wrote:
         | I would also like to know why this isn't considered patent
         | infringement.
         | 
         | https://patents.justia.com/assignee/what3words-limited
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         | 
         | I've poked around the website. They claim an "open-source,
         | patent-free algorithm" is used, and therefore the entire
         | concept doesn't infringe on W3W's patents. Yikes. They can
         | expect letters and lawyers.
         | 
         | https://source.netsyms.com/Netsyms/fixphrase.com/wiki/How-It...
        
           | teraflop wrote:
           | The fact that W3W managed to get their patent issued is
           | pretty hilarious in light of this:
           | https://patents.stackexchange.com/questions/13629/i-had-
           | inve...
        
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       | samwillis wrote:
       | It looks like the key difference between this and what3words is
       | that squares near each other have mostly the same words. With
       | only the last word changing for adjacent squares, and even then
       | they are similar. I can see the motivation for this (you can
       | abbreviate to fewer words for a general area), but alto suspect
       | it is partially about the W3w patent. However it also increases
       | the risk of being slightly wrong with a location, w3w is good for
       | things like emergency rescue as you can't be slightly wrong.
        
         | kybernetikos wrote:
         | Why would it increase the risk of being slightly wrong? If
         | anything, it helps to have consistent prefixes because you make
         | it more likely that someone will be able to recognise areas, or
         | know when places are near to other places.
         | 
         | If the system allows it, you can also use fewer words to target
         | a bigger area. For example
         | https://wherewords.id/juniper/detailed/ is an area of Paris,
         | while https://wherewords.id/juniper/detailed/rate/thunder is a
         | specific point in the Gare du Nord.
         | 
         | The only real reason I think it can be good to avoid a
         | hierarchy is because having one makes the sensitivity of the
         | word list much more significant. For example, if an entire
         | country has a negative association word like 'stingy' or
         | 'lying' in its first word, that could be a significant problem.
         | 
         | If you really need a checksum, https://wherewords.id/ supports
         | an optional emoji checksum.
        
         | croes wrote:
         | "However, security researcher Andrew Tierney demonstrated in
         | 2021 that the What3words algorithm does not sufficiently
         | protect against confusion between nearby locations because it
         | may assign words that are similarly spelled or pronounced,
         | which can limit the value of the system when a precise and
         | unambiguous location is required, like safety-critical
         | applications. Analysis by Tierney showed that close repetitions
         | and the use of plurals occur in physically close locations. The
         | company says that this has a one in 2.5 million chance of
         | occurrence, but Tierney's analysis has highlighted areas where
         | the odds are around 1 in 500."
         | 
         | https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/What3words#Criticism
        
       | kybernetikos wrote:
       | This is a bit like my http://wherewords.id that I made as a fun
       | holiday project. I used the S3 mapping (same as the one used by
       | pokemon go), and my own wordlist.
       | 
       | The wordlist is surprisingly hard work. The first location I
       | clicked on fixphrase had as one of its words 'french'. That's
       | potentially pretty confusing.
        
       | ortusdux wrote:
       | I picked a random location and got "daringly kleenex sloppily
       | very". Are there any issues with the fact that "kleenex" is a
       | registered trademark?
        
         | beeneuf wrote:
         | Kleenex is widely viewed as a genericized trademark and appears
         | as an English word in the Merriam-Webster and Oxford
         | dictionaries, which this may use as a source.
        
       | baal80spam wrote:
       | I'm trying to think of a use case for such a service. Any ideas?
        
         | stop50 wrote:
         | For places that don't have an adress or the adress is ambigious
        
         | Ayesh wrote:
         | Telling a location over the phone when you are in an emergency
         | comes to mind. Easier to remember than a series of numbers as
         | is the case latitude/longitude.
        
       | toolz wrote:
       | neither this nor w3w are as useful as googles already open source
       | https://maps.google.com/pluscodes/ in my opinion.
       | 
       | With plus codes you can both have a short, memorable address and
       | gauge relative distance with other nearby addresses. I'm not sure
       | I can think of a reason to ever use fixphrase or w3w as an
       | alternative to this already existing open standard.
        
         | pkulak wrote:
         | w3w considers the disambiguity an asset. Almost like a check
         | sum. If you enter an address, and it's in the middle of the
         | Pacific, you know you wrote it down wrong.
        
           | toolz wrote:
           | that's an interesting point, but in practice I don't see how
           | it's meaningful. If you write down a plus code and end up in
           | a similar area, you contact the person with the address and
           | figure it out without much issue. If you can't contact that
           | person again, well you're at least most likely to be in the
           | area and can ask around for directions.
           | 
           | with w3w if you can't contact the person with the address
           | again, you've no idea where on the planet this place might
           | be.
        
         | kybernetikos wrote:
         | The point of using words is that it should be more reliable
         | when roundtripping via voice or memory. I think it's much
         | easier for people to remember 'reader giraffe suppose advance'
         | than WF24+VMR
        
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