[HN Gopher] Former Apple exec who enforced insider trading rules...
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       Former Apple exec who enforced insider trading rules admits to
       insider trading
        
       Author : danso
       Score  : 77 points
       Date   : 2022-06-30 21:51 UTC (1 hours ago)
        
 (HTM) web link (9to5mac.com)
 (TXT) w3m dump (9to5mac.com)
        
       | radicaldreamer wrote:
       | How did he think he was going to get away with it?
        
         | bobthechef wrote:
        
         | mistrial9 wrote:
         | .. because his secrecy, his self-control and his control of
         | others in the room was "perfect" .. This obvious hypocritical
         | ego bully jerk BS that can be seen from a mile away and the
         | other finance people WANT IT. just my guess
        
       | throwaway5959 wrote:
       | Doctors smoke cigarettes. News at 11.
        
       | tpmx wrote:
       | This is peanuts.
       | 
       | 2008:
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       | How Jobs dodged the stock option backdating bullet
       | 
       | https://www.cnet.com/culture/how-jobs-dodged-the-stock-optio...
       | 
       | tl;dr:
       | 
       | > In the case of Apple, not only did the board send two
       | sacrificial lambs to slaughter, but the feds hung some pretty
       | hefty charges on their necks to boot. The lambs in question are
       | former Sr. VP, General Counsel, and Secretary Nancy Heinen
       | [settled with the SEC for $2.2 million], and former CFO and
       | director Fred D. Anderson [settled with the SEC for $3.5
       | million].
       | 
       | > The SEC's complaint focuses on the backdating of two large
       | option grants, one of 4.8 million shares for Apple's executive
       | team and the other of 7.5 million shares for Steve Jobs.
       | 
       | ...
       | 
       | > At the end of the day, Jobs dodged a bullet because of 1) his
       | value to Apple's shareholders, 2) his value to the U.S. economy,
       | and 3) just plain luck that neither Apple's board nor the SEC
       | found a smoking gun to force them to do something they didn't
       | want to do.
        
         | herodotus wrote:
         | I will not claim to know the details of this particular story.
         | But I do want to point out that, when I joined Apple, stock
         | options were part of their bonuses. We were told whether or not
         | we would get stock options, and when, during our annual one-one
         | meetings with our managers. These meetings were held across the
         | company over a period of a few weeks. We were told that the
         | price of the option would be the minimum price over some period
         | of days up to the time the board approved the employee options
         | for everyone who was given them. So if employee a was told
         | their award at the beginning of the month, and employee b told
         | three weeks later, they would be given the option at the same
         | price. This applied in my case, and seemed completely fair to
         | me. I was a lowly engineer with no special value to the US
         | economy, the shareholders etc. It was a sensible and rational
         | way to award stock options. Apple switched to a new scheme,
         | probably to avoid the appearance of something untoward, namely
         | RSU: actual stock awards rather than options, but with
         | restrictions on when we got them.
         | 
         | Backdated stock options is just not comparable to insider
         | trading.
        
           | tpmx wrote:
           | In the above case of stock option backdating:
           | 
           | https://www.cultofmac.com/443542/steve-jobs-apple-stock-
           | back...
           | 
           | > According to Forbes, which broke the Apple stock-backdating
           | story, Jobs' award of 7.5 million shares got approved at a
           | board meeting on August 29, 2001. At that point, Apple's
           | share price was $17.83. However, Jobs continued to argue over
           | the point at which the options would vest. That resulted in
           | Apple missing the deadlines for filing the proper information
           | with the Securities and Exchange Commission and its auditors.
           | 
           | > It took until December for the parties to agree upon terms.
           | At that point, Apple's stock price stood at $21.01.
           | Backdating gave Jobs a lower share price that, on paper, made
           | him $20 million richer.
           | 
           | Morally speaking I find this comparable to insider trading.
        
             | mistrial9 wrote:
             | Steve Jobs lived his life to break rules in front of others
             | for a show of animal dominance. A guy who parked his 12
             | cylinder ultra-luxury sedan in the Handicapped parking spot
             | repeatedly, daily. Its not just "FU handicapped", its FU
             | handicapped and if you say anything to me, now or later,
             | you are fired. He was famous for firing a nervous nerd
             | during an elevator ride who couldn't justify his job on the
             | spot. The stories are endless. There was no one like Steve
             | Jobs and that is true.
        
       | anewpersonality wrote:
       | Folks at public companies are getting away with far worse.
        
         | jjtheblunt wrote:
         | like what?
        
       | baby wrote:
       | They all do insider trading at small scales, that's for sure.
        
       | erehweb wrote:
       | $600k over 5 years is a big amount of money, but probably fairly
       | small compared to his TC as a senior director. Not a great
       | risk/reward tradeoff
        
         | scrose wrote:
         | It's worth considering that this is likely not the whole story.
         | If he was corrupt enough to do this himself, there's a non-
         | negligible chance he had plenty of other family and/or friends
         | who were also likely trading on privileged information and
         | which he may have had some other beneficial deals with that
         | haven't been found out
        
         | paulpauper wrote:
         | apple is famous for not paying that well. this is not google.
        
           | metadat wrote:
           | Uhm, no? This is false.
        
         | gowld wrote:
         | It was too easy.
         | 
         | Imagine if every day you walked past a newsstand, and for some
         | reason there is an envelope with $100K in cash there, every
         | day, all the time. It's totally illegal to take it, but it's
         | right there in front of you, and so easy to grab, and no one's
         | going to notice...probably.
        
           | cpncrunch wrote:
           | >and no one's going to notice...probably.
           | 
           | Except someone usually does eventually notice, and most
           | people are smart enough to realise this.
        
         | cptaj wrote:
         | Thats what they pinned him for.
        
         | rot13xor wrote:
         | He probably didn't think he'd get caught or ego.
        
         | walrus01 wrote:
         | anyone want to make a guess at what this guy's gross W2 salary
         | was?
        
           | phphphphp wrote:
           | Considering he started there in 2008 when the market cap of
           | apple was <$100bn I'm going to guess it was low 6 figures and
           | that the insider trading represented a meaningful amount of
           | money to him.
        
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