[HN Gopher] Indie Microblogging
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       Indie Microblogging
        
       Author : JNRowe
       Score  : 164 points
       Date   : 2022-07-04 09:48 UTC (13 hours ago)
        
 (HTM) web link (book.micro.blog)
 (TXT) w3m dump (book.micro.blog)
        
       | lawgimenez wrote:
       | I'm a happy customer of micro.blog and this seems very well
       | written.
        
       | mysterydip wrote:
       | I need a service that converts tweet streams (like the ones
       | shared here of Foone) into microblogs so I can actually read
       | through them all.
        
         | sacrosanct wrote:
         | https://threadreaderapp.com/
        
       | pqs wrote:
       | Is there an epub version of this book?
        
       | asim wrote:
       | Very thoughtfully written. I can see the part at the bottom about
       | breaking the stronghold of Facebook. Ah the lofty dreams.
       | Twitter, Mastadon, etc. Not sure if the dreams will ever become
       | reality but love the idea of a federated micro blogging site
       | that's both open source and mainstream.
        
       | kurupt213 wrote:
       | Microblogs are largely irrelevant if you aren't already a known
       | expert on a given topic.
       | 
       | Longform posting allows you to establish your credibility and put
       | your point forward.
       | 
       | Maybe this is why Twitter is such a miserable experience. Way too
       | many opinions from the vulgar mass
        
         | nojito wrote:
         | Completely disagree. Many individuals started their careers on
         | Twitter.
         | 
         | Long form posting is dead as a door nail.
        
           | superkuh wrote:
           | Careers? Is monetary gain the goal of blogging now? ~back in
           | my day~ we posted to our web logs because we had something to
           | share with the world.
        
             | nojito wrote:
             | It's not a goal, but the idea of monetizing yourself isn't
             | new.
        
               | superkuh wrote:
               | Yes, it's what has destroyed the web. The real webpages
               | are out there but they're all burried under a never
               | ending influx of profit seeking crap.
        
         | CharlesW wrote:
         | > _Microblogs are largely irrelevant if you aren't already a
         | known expert on a given topic._
         | 
         | An enormous number of people have established themselves as
         | known experts on a given topic via "microblogging" channels,
         | which for nearly everyone means Twitter and Facebook.
         | Hopefully, open/federated microblogging will break out of its
         | niche.
         | 
         | Just one example of this is the many thousands of virologists,
         | epidemiologists, public health scholars, and statisticians who
         | built huge followings (effectively from zero) during the
         | COVID-19 pandemic.
         | 
         | > _Longform posting allows you to establish your credibility
         | and put your point forward._
         | 
         | Microblogging is a great channel for this too. These are not
         | either/or choices, and any good strategy for establishing
         | yourself as an expert -- or whatever your goal is -- will
         | include both of these communications channels and more.
        
         | Saint_Genet wrote:
         | Sure, if you think the point of twitter is to build a brand by
         | dispensing your profound wisdom from up on high. The vast
         | majority of people use twitter as entertainment, and the fact
         | that people who like to pontificate about federated microblogs
         | don't get this is why it won't take off in any meaningful way.
        
           | derekzhouzhen wrote:
           | For time wasting entertainment, TikTok is better than
           | Twitter.
        
             | rmbyrro wrote:
             | I don't think we can establish an objective classification
             | for entertainment in terms of time wastefulness.
             | 
             | I'd rather stare at the sky than use TikTok, by the way.
        
               | derekzhouzhen wrote:
               | Of course there is no objective way. TikTok is more
               | optimized for silly, effortless entertainment, and
               | Twitter is more optimized for opinion leaders to reach
               | out the maximum number of recipients. They all have a
               | purpose.
        
       | chrismorgan wrote:
       | https://book.micro.blog/rss-for-microblogs/: don't use RSS, use
       | Atom, which is just as widely supported outside of podcasts
       | (where Apple has ruined it for everyone for quite unfathomable
       | reasons, with their peculiar mixture of innovation and
       | ossification), and is technically sound in ways that not only
       | make it easier to generate and work with, but _do_ actually
       | matter here, about content types.
       | 
       | To be perfectly clear: the _only_ reason anyone should use RSS in
       | new development is podcasts.
        
         | JNRowe wrote:
         | There is some reasoning in the syndication section1. While we
         | _may_ not agree with it, Manton has clearly put some thought in
         | to Atom for this use case.
         | 
         | I'm personally a little unconvinced by jsonfeed too which is
         | mentioned in later chapters, but I have to say I'd go all in on
         | it _iff_ it allowed us to free ourselves of RSS.
         | 
         | 1 https://book.micro.blog/syndication/
        
           | chrismorgan wrote:
           | The nifty thing about JSON Feed for micro.blog's purposes is
           | that it sounds like they wanted some kind of JSON _API_
           | anyway, so extending JSON Feed works out rather nicely.
           | 
           | For just about any other purpose, I'd say you want RSS or
           | Atom anyway, and supporting multiple formats is actively
           | undesirable because it complicates feed selection, so don't
           | even touch JSON Feed.
        
           | chrismorgan wrote:
           | Ah, I'd skipped ahead to the RSS page and missed that. I had
           | been perplexed that it wasn't even mentioned, but I'm glad to
           | see that it was addressed earlier.
           | 
           | I disagree with the reasoning, because Atom is every bit as
           | widely supported outside podcasting, and RSS is more painful
           | to generate, requiring special-purpose date formatting rather
           | than using the standard format that your library already
           | supports, and requiring foolish duplication (things like
           | description versus content:encoded) to obtain _almost_
           | reliable results due to some of its underspecified or
           | unspecified areas causing genuine pain for authors and
           | clients alike, and simply not representing the right
           | semantics. Atom is much more dependable and harder to mess
           | up, and the sensible choice to implement as a feed producer,
           | except (as mentioned) in podcasting where Apple froze it out.
        
       | fiatjaf wrote:
       | You might be interested in https://damus.io/.
        
         | janandonly wrote:
         | You can take your identity elsewhere when using Nostr clients
         | (like Damus) but, very disappointingly, _not_ your content...
        
       | sotu wrote:
       | Can I use microblog to make a book format like this subdomain??
        
         | velcrovan wrote:
         | Think for a minute about the words "microblog" -- a twitter-
         | like presentation format limiting individual content chunks to
         | a few sentences in length -- and "book", a longform collection
         | of prose typically running tens of thousands of words in
         | length.
        
           | sotu wrote:
           | truth - but the book they wrote is so clean and nicely
           | organized.
        
           | azangru wrote:
           | That's fine - there are books of pithy aphorisms too.
        
           | chipotle_coyote wrote:
           | The underlying platform of Micro.blog, the specific service
           | sotu was asking about, is built on Hugo. If you make a
           | Twitter-sized post, it will show up just like it would on
           | Twitter or Mastodon or another microblogging platform; if you
           | make a long post, you'll get a field to add a title, too, and
           | when you read it on the timeline (and when it gets
           | crossposted to Twitter, if you have that enabled), you'll
           | just see the title and a link to the longer post.
           | 
           | I don't know how Manton made that site, specifically, but
           | focusing too much on the terminology here may lead you astray
           | a little in this context. :)
        
       | d4rkp4ttern wrote:
       | My obligatory question for any (micro) blogging platform -- is
       | math (mathjax, Latex/Katex) supported?
        
         | zimpenfish wrote:
         | Can't speak for other platforms but Hugo can[1] and, IIRC, a
         | fair few of the themes do this for you and give an easy "turn
         | mathjax on" option in the settings.
         | 
         | [1]
         | https://bwaycer.github.io/hugo_tutorial.hugo/tutorials/mathj...
        
       | pqs wrote:
       | For many years, I have been microblogging from Telegram. Telegram
       | is great for that, thanks to the channels feature. Yes, I know,
       | it is closed, and centralized, and it has many other problems,
       | but it is super convenient. Now I'm trying to post my post as
       | WordPress entries which are linked in the channel, but it is more
       | cumbersome. This way, people can follow me through the RSS and I
       | own my posts. I haven't read this book yet, but I will check it,
       | as I'm very interested in the microblog format. But still,
       | Telegram is so convenient ... Any decentralized indie
       | microblogging approach must beat Telegram in convenience, and
       | this is very hard.
        
         | asim wrote:
         | Thanks for sharing. Did not know Telegram had a blogging
         | platform. Assuming it's this https://telegra.ph. Is there an
         | integration inside telegram for publishing?
        
           | blooalien wrote:
           | Actually, while that _is_ indeed a service of Telegram last I
           | checked, I don 't believe that's what asim was talking about.
           | Pretty sure they're using a Telegram channel in lieu of a
           | blogging platform.
        
             | Jaruzel wrote:
             | To be honest, it would be trivial to wire up a Telegram Bot
             | to read posts that you send it, and to re-post them on a
             | web based blog platform.
        
           | pqs wrote:
           | I sometimes have used telegra.ph for longish posts, but this
           | is a microblog, so short notes with no title and just one,
           | two or three small paragraphs of text. I sometimes share
           | Evernote notes, exactly in the same way one would use
           | telegra.ph.
        
             | thekoma wrote:
             | Am I a blogger yet?
             | 
             | https://telegra.ph/What-is-this-07-04-3
        
           | theshrike79 wrote:
           | Basically it's just a Telegram channel where only you can
           | post content on.
           | 
           | I followed a friend's semester abroad in Japan through one
           | and it was pretty good. A bunch of OnlyFans creators have set
           | up a Telegram channel to notify about new content etc.
        
           | chaosite wrote:
           | I don't think that's it?
           | 
           | I think they're just using a channel, as described. You got
           | to squint a bit until you recognize it as a blogging
           | platform, but all the functionality is technically there.
        
       | sacrosanct wrote:
       | I guess the gist of this is don't build your castles on other
       | people's land. Anyone remember Posterous, a blogging platform
       | that got shut down and is now Posthaven? Posthaven is a paid-only
       | service so unlike Posterous it can keep the lights on for a
       | longer time. But then there is the likelihood of even a paid
       | service shutting down, so buyer beware.
       | 
       | My approach is to self host and keep all my blogposts backed up
       | in markdown format. Any images I have are backed up too. Also if
       | you are running a blog, make sure you have the funds needed to
       | keep it up for as long as possible. You may even need a paid CDN
       | if you are serving a lot of images. Cloudflare helps with their
       | free CDN but it's nice to get away from centralised monopolies
       | such as Cloudflare. Their recent outage has me looking for
       | alternatives.
        
         | rmbyrro wrote:
         | Agree 100%.
         | 
         | But if you have your own domain pointing to other people's
         | land, then it's easy to switch.
        
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