[HN Gopher] Delayed Messages on iOS
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Delayed Messages on iOS
Author : karagenit
Score : 114 points
Date : 2022-07-04 18:54 UTC (4 hours ago)
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| texaslonghorn5 wrote:
| I think this is a cool hack. And I frequently use delayed
| messages on Google Messages to obscure my late working hours and
| refrain from disturbing people with a 3AM notification.
|
| But I've thought about this a bit recently, and I don't think I
| should have to worry about bothering someone at 3 AM. I don't
| think it's unreasonable to expect other people to have do not
| disturb on / notifications off whenever they don't want to be
| disturbed.
|
| And one cautionary tale about scheduling messages (email in
| particular): I once encountered a problem at 3AM and scheduled an
| 8AM text to tell someone about it, but they woke up at 6AM and
| immediately fixed it and were confused why I still had the
| problem two hours later (when my message arrived).
| duxup wrote:
| I'd be ok with messages in a business app (teams, slack or
| whatever) at whatever hour. But if people are sending me
| iMessages to my personal phone number I'd be annoyed at just
| waking to a bunch of work stuff in there.
|
| Context would really depend on my response to asynchronous
| messages piling up.
| shaky-carrousel wrote:
| Except for the part where you send me a message at 3 am about a
| work-related issue while I was placidly browsing Reddit and now
| you made me worry about work-related issues while on leisure
| time.
|
| Work-related messages during working hours, please.
| texaslonghorn5 wrote:
| I agree, to be clear I continue to schedule messages despite
| my inner dialogue.
| matwood wrote:
| Whose work hours? Times have changed where many people no
| longer have the same 8ish work hour overlap. There are tz
| differences and Flex Time. It's up to you to manage your
| messages.
| TameAntelope wrote:
| No. Manage your own messaging systems, don't put that extra
| work onto others, as not everyone has the same schedule as
| you.
| eastbound wrote:
| In France, the law says the employer must use an email
| platform that disables communication during non-working
| hours.
|
| Yes, it exists. Yes, no-one can notify the guy on duty
| because no-one can send him emails.
| TrickyRick wrote:
| You've never worked in an org with more than one time zone,
| have you?
| diegoperini wrote:
| Do not disturb is terrible if you are a part-time caregiver or
| on pager duty. No phone OS gives enough control over its
| settings and bad news often arrive from unknown numbers, i.e
| the hospital, 3rd party robot call service, friend of a friend
| etc. Speaking from experience.
| mgfist wrote:
| A brute force solution would be a second (or third) phone for
| those situations
| texaslonghorn5 wrote:
| That seems excessive, because the only people who you give
| the second number to would be the people setup to bypass
| the dnd anyway.
| vlovich123 wrote:
| I have DND and the PagerDuty alerts are set to bypass it
| through the app. There can be improvements made but expecting
| your social graph to respect an assumed context has similar
| problems (not to mention due to spam I think most people
| screen/ignore calls from unknown numbers). I like iOS's
| ability to share your DND state with your contacts but even
| that has challenges (eg people turn it off for privacy
| reasons real or perceived).
| aaaaaaaaata wrote:
| Why has the above (knowing how to properly use the devices
| that make their lives go round) become so rare?
| [deleted]
| UncleEntity wrote:
| I push the button that looks like an old school phone
| handset and punch in a sequence of numbers corresponding
| to another phone then talk to someone.
|
| Is there a more proper way to use a phone?
| kuschku wrote:
| I have mesages that can't be linked to contacts on vibration
| during day (silent at night), messages from contacts on
| vibration during day (during night only the second message
| within of 15 minutes sends makes a noise), and phone calls
| always on loud.
|
| That catches all unexpected emergencies without bothering me
| too much due to emails, IRC messages, or a random text from a
| friend.
| a-dub wrote:
| i'm old school but:
|
| 1) there's this amazing tool that allows you to send a longform
| communication directly to one or many people where it will get
| stored and when they're starting their workday they'll see it.
| it's called e-mail. you should turn off notifications on your
| phone for e-mail... if a message is urgent, they can call or
| text.
|
| 2) you shouldn't obscure when you're working. creative people
| often prefer to work late, you should be honest about this so
| early morning expectations are relaxed. if you're typically a
| morning person and up on a production issue you should not be
| expected to be in first thing the next day after staying up
| late to fix it.
|
| 3) all this delayed fake timestamp messaging just contributes
| to a toxic culture of everybody appearing to be working all the
| time.
| s3p wrote:
| Firstly, IMO, email is by no way amazing. It is useful and
| essentially a standard way of communicating by now, but I
| have never once thought of the communication protocol as
| being amazing.
|
| Second, there is nothing toxic about scheduling a text. My
| father is one of the people who never silences his phone, so
| when he gets a text or call at night he always wakes up. He
| gets annoyed if it's not urgent, so a scheduled text message
| in the morning would make him much happier. Scheduling a text
| message is all about convenience for the recipient of the
| message and comes out of a desire to be _respectful_ of the
| other person 's time.
| UncleEntity wrote:
| I agree with your father, if someone texts/calls during
| normal sleeping hours it really should be an emergency
| because if everyone mutes their phones and there's a real
| emergency then nobody will be able to get in touch with
| anybody.
|
| Other than drunk friends and booty calls someone had better
| be in the hospital or dead if they wake me up in the middle
| of the night.
| pseudalopex wrote:
| > if everyone mutes their phones and there's a real
| emergency then nobody will be able to get in touch with
| anybody
|
| You can tell Android and iOS to make noise when someone
| calls a 2nd time.
| UncleEntity wrote:
| Yep, and the spammers know that too so they call twice in
| a row.
|
| And I'm pretty sure you're only entitled to _one_ phone
| call...
| pseudalopex wrote:
| > Yep, and the spammers know that too so they call twice
| in a row.
|
| Didn't you just argue everyone shouldn't mute their
| phones?
|
| > And I'm pretty sure you're only entitled to one phone
| call...
|
| You're thinking of a plot device probably.[1]
|
| [1] https://www.betternoahlawyer.com/your-one-phone-call/
| kimburgess wrote:
| Communication protocols extend through the human layer too.
| As long as both ends agree on what that is, the medium that
| the message uses to get from A to B is arbitrary.
|
| With your father, texts are synchronous comms, possibly
| without requiring an explicit acknowledgement. This may be
| different for different groups of people. Define what that
| agreed protocol is and it removes the ambiguity.
| a-dub wrote:
| > It is useful and essentially a standard way of
| communicating by now
|
| perfect. beautiful. AMAZING!
|
| the smtp crypto situation is a mess, sure, but work emails
| usually all stay on the same machine or hosting provider
| anyway. more importantly, it comes from an era before zomg
| smartphone notifications now now now and as such has
| respectful communications properties built-in.
|
| > Second, there is nothing toxic about scheduling a text.
| My father is one of the people who never silences his
| phone, so when he gets a text or call at night he always
| wakes up. He gets annoyed if it's not urgent, so a
| scheduled text message in the morning would make him much
| happier.
|
| personal matters are just that and i was referring to work
| stuff mostly.... buuuuut that said...
|
| you should try sending him an e-mail! even if you schedule
| your text for when he's awake, you're still sending him a
| demanding interrupt! old people love their e-mails they sit
| in their big comfy chairs and read them at their leisure
| with their favorite glasses on with their nice big lamps!
| he probably will appreciate that even more! if it's urgent
| and he hasn't responded, THEN you can send an interrupt by
| giving him a call or sending a text.
|
| instead you're instructing robots to steal your dad's
| attention at some predetermined time in the future while
| you do something else... do you see the dystopic themes
| here?
| alexeldeib wrote:
| > it comes from an era before zomg smartphone
| notifications now now now and as such has respectful
| communications properties built-in.
|
| Gmail on iOS certainly will try to notify you for
| "important" messages. If anything, I think the failure of
| email in combatting spam is the only thing saving us from
| the notification-heavy defaults you mentioned.
|
| > instead you're instructing robots to steal your dad's
| attention at some predetermined time in the future while
| you do something else... do you see the dystopic themes
| here?
|
| Not that different from setting a reminder to send the
| text yourself...and you'd presumably pick a scheduled
| send time when _you're also available_ to reply. But I do
| agree, it's marginally more impersonal.
| [deleted]
| irrational wrote:
| > when they're starting their workday they'll see it
|
| Well... I often don't check my email till after lunch or
| later. This has never been a problem since anybody who needs
| an answer to something in less than 24 hours uses slack or
| text messaging.
| AdamJacobMuller wrote:
| > But I've thought about this a bit recently, and I don't think
| I should have to worry about bothering someone at 3 AM. I don't
| think it's unreasonable to expect other people to have do not
| disturb on / notifications off whenever they don't want to be
| disturbed.
|
| I'm very direct about this with new hires.
|
| "I'm awake and work weird hours. Please don't take a message
| from me outside your normal hours to mean I want or need an
| immediate response unless the message is directly talking about
| a production outage in which case i'll be explicit about that.
| If you're around and you want to spend a few hours debating the
| merits of embedding a lua interpreter into a data processing
| pipeline vs trying to figure out how to droplessly reload
| golang code great, if not, we can pick it up the next time
| we're both around.
|
| On the same note, please don't not message me because it's late
| where you think I am at the moment and please don't not let me
| know about something because 'it's normal US hours, he probably
| already knows.'
|
| Please also don't take offense if I don't respond immediately,
| despite appearances, I do sometimes actually sleep."
|
| Setting the actual expectations works great. Some people
| respond simply by saying that they won't put slack on their
| phone, or will turn notifications for slack off and I'm fine
| with that (having their number to call for actual emergencies).
|
| I think the problem arises not from the direct actions here
| (messaging someone at 3am) but by the implicit expectation of a
| reply. I think some people don't realize what they're doing but
| I think a lot do and they want to create that implicit must-
| reply-24-7 nature.
| texaslonghorn5 wrote:
| I get telling people that you are comfortable being contacted
| whenever. That's your choice/life.
|
| But if I was working for you I would not like this part:
|
| > unless the message is directly talking about a production
| outage in which case i'll be explicit about that
|
| because that means I have to keep notifications on and triage
| them even though the whole point is "I'm not going to respond
| outside work hours when my notifications are off / dnd is
| on."
| jws wrote:
| This is a frequent disconnect.
|
| It really depends on the scale of the business. In some
| large ones, there is always a person working to handle
| "must be fixed now" problems. If you are off shift, then it
| is the person on shift's task.
|
| In smaller operations with 24 hour operation, and
| infrequent "must be fixed now" problems, there will be
| workers whose job includes being on call. Sometimes the on
| call duty rotates, sometimes it does not.
|
| So if you are from a land of large companies, it may seem
| insane for your employer to ask something of you outside
| your shift. Likewise, when you are a little guy scrambling
| to grow, getting out of bed once in a while and handling a
| problem to preserve that growth is your best option.
|
| In the situation in this post, I would _hope_ that the
| critical "get up and fix this" messages come through a
| different system, or have a way to cut through a "do not
| disturb" so the employees can mute the mundane messages.
|
| It sounds like you are in the first group. My company
| didn't staff 24 hours, but used to pay people extra when
| they were the "get up and handle this" person. The size of
| the pay, and the frequency of the events was tuned so there
| was always a willing pool of people queueing to be the
| pager carrier.
| AdamJacobMuller wrote:
| > I have to keep notifications on and triage them
|
| Nope. Read the whole comment, i address that :)
|
| Some people said "fine, then I'm turning off notifications"
| and I'm fine with that, if I have an alternate method of
| contact for the (very rare) production outages.
| texaslonghorn5 wrote:
| Understood. The expectations of your job/team
| (emergencies etc) are probably just different from what
| I'm used to. Seems like a good system for your team so
| I'm glad it works for you.
| Xeoncross wrote:
| Yeah, it's really weird to have to guess the settings other
| people desire.
|
| That's why do not disturb on / notifications off is on each of
| our phones. We control that. I don't expect other people to
| figure out the right timezone and sleep patterns I have.
| ian_lotinsky wrote:
| Most of the time when I delay emails or Slack messages, it's
| because I don't want others to respond until later because of
| my own busyness or more important items to address today.
| Scheduling let's me delay more back-and-forth but with the
| luxury of queuing my latest message now.
| axg11 wrote:
| That's idealism whereas this hack deals with realism: many
| people don't have their notifications setup perfectly and also
| feel the pressure to respond immediately.
| lesstyzing wrote:
| Why's that the message sender's problem though? I can't help
| if you pressure yourself even if I'm clear I'm putting none
| on you.
| noizejoy wrote:
| Once upon a time, email was more generally considered to be
| non-interruptive, while a phone call and later sms was
| considered interruptive.
|
| Ober time, this distinction has blurred due to technology
| changes and resulting cultural adjustments including
| immediate email delivery, voicemail and advanced messaging
| and notification systems.
|
| And that change over time is causing some disconnects
| between expectations of good behaviour.
| eastbound wrote:
| *due to Samsung, who decided that every email deserved a
| ringing notification.
|
| It's especially appalling when they played this trick on
| my old parents, who receive a slew of emails every
| morning at 5 or 6am.
| prmoustache wrote:
| Because if you are on duty for production issues you may
| not be able to put your entire smartphone in do not disturb
| yet you don't want to be woken up at 3 am because some
| coworker send you something non critical.
|
| Having separate devices for personnal and professional
| stuff helps. I can't speak about iOS, I used it way too
| long ago but both Android and most messaging platforms do
| not provide ways to have flexible do not disturb policies
| depending on multiple parameters such as
| sender/timeframe/app/format of message. It is usually a mix
| of the global do not disturb function for the OS, the
| global notification parameters per app and possibly some
| mute options on a contact/channel basis but that is not
| time range capable and only works on a blacklist instead of
| whitelist model.
| TrickyRick wrote:
| On iOS the two most popular systems for on-call (OpsGenie
| and Pager Duty) both bypass DND if configured correctly
| so it's a non-issue. I imagine Android has something
| similar.
| TheNorthman wrote:
| > I can't help if you pressure yourself even if I'm clear
| I'm putting none on you.
|
| That's... exactly what this is about. Now you _can_ help
| it.
| ketzo wrote:
| I would argue that, in most social contexts, "receiving a
| message" does put some amount of pressure on a person.
|
| Unless you have a really explicit understanding with the
| person you're texting, they're gonna assume you expect a
| response, or just expect them to read the message.
|
| You gotta know how your actions will be received; "I can't
| help you" really just isn't enough if you wanna be a kind
| and thoughtful person, IMO.
| TameAntelope wrote:
| I disagree; a message sent on an async platform is _not_
| expected to be responded to immediately, it 's simply
| meant to be removed from the sender's "to-do" list.
| noizejoy wrote:
| The distinction between sync vs async messaging isn't as
| easy to figure out these days as it was when snail mail
| vs phone call were the primary options.
| TameAntelope wrote:
| The negative consequences of making the wrong choice are
| both extremely low and extremely loud, so I urge you to
| just take a guess, with a strong bias for every
| technology platform being async.
| yellow_postit wrote:
| That's how my thinking has come around as well and a benefit of
| maintaining work vs. personal device separation.
|
| If I'm on a work computer/device/profile I don't mind seeing
| work-related items. Even better if its clear when action is
| needed.
|
| As many companies become more diverse in working times,
| trusting individuals to manage it seems like one option while
| the other is would be patterned off the French "Right to
| disconnect"
| noizejoy wrote:
| Culture is a shifting beast.
|
| Being courteous means trying to think on behalf of the other
| person.
|
| However, as we interact with ever increasing numbers of
| individuals with an ever increasing variety of backgrounds
| and personal circumstance, it's increasingly impossible to
| think on behalf of everyone we interact with.
|
| And therefore it makes sense that we all need to design and
| configure mechanisms, that allow us to interact while keeping
| stress levels somewhat manageable.
| rsync wrote:
| I usually send sms from the Unix shell so a delayed message takes
| the form of: sleep 7200 ; sms ...
|
| (Where 'sms' is a shell script that hits the twilio api with
| curl)
|
| If I drop my phone in the river I can still send sms from my own
| phone number.
|
| Not "blue" bubble though...
| avel wrote:
| You could use at(1) instead, so that you don't need to keep
| that terminal process open.
| MBCook wrote:
| I understand why Apple is hesitant to add the feature.
|
| But this is a fantastic shortcut to get around the limitation.
| Dracophoenix wrote:
| I don't. Why is Apple hesitant exactly?
| alphaomegacode wrote:
| Me neither, can't see "the obvious" reason for them not
| implementing this.
|
| Apple usually trots out "privacy" or "security" when people
| find their software lacking in terms of usability or
| convenience but I can't understand why this would be an issue
| for them.
| samatman wrote:
| Why would they be hesitant? Complex user experience?
|
| I'll admit I've never scheduled a message for later, other than
| on Twitter since I've lived in some awkward time zones relative
| to the bulk of my mutuals. But I can't come up with a reason
| why Apple wouldn't want to add it.
| jpp wrote:
| I can imagine a number of complications here. How should
| delayed send work with respect to both end-to-end encryption
| and with network connectivity loss? Ie I can see a possible
| way to build this where the sending user's device queues and
| sends it later, but what if that device is out of network
| coverage area, or battery-dead, at the requested send time?
| ...so then we could think about doing it at the server level,
| but then to maintain end-to-end encryption, the message would
| have to be pre-encrypted; how would we handle rekeying a
| user? Ie if the delay send is for 24 hours from now, but one
| of the recipient's keys get rotated (which afaik can happen
| in a couple of reasonable conditions; but others here will
| know more)... well, we end up with a solution that also can't
| reliably deliver the message.
|
| One thing I really appreciate about Apple Messages is just
| how well it works, and how little spam ever makes it in. I
| think the reliability of Messages is almost taken for
| granted... I wouldn't want to give that reliability promise
| up for this sort of feature!
| bobthepanda wrote:
| Who said the queue has to be on the sender's device or the
| server?
|
| Sender sends it encrypted with a flag to not display until
| X time, phone receives it whenever, and then displays it at
| X time because it's just been sitting there.
| texaslonghorn5 wrote:
| Well I think one benefit of a scheduled send is the
| ability to cancel or edit after hitting the send button.
| So I'm not sure if I'd appreciate setting it up like you
| say here.
| yieldcrv wrote:
| Sounds like someone recently studied system design
| interviews, did the compensation bump work out?
| texaslonghorn5 wrote:
| Maybe I am missing something obvious/important. Google
| Messages delay send will not send the message if the phone
| is off/disconnected. What's wrong with Apple Messages
| setting up delayed messages just like that? You said
| reliability. But Google Messages delay has worked 100% of
| the time for me and I've never had a situation where the
| phone was off when it needed so maybe I am the wrong person
| to ask.
|
| Is there a way to have the timestamp part be unencrypted
| and the message be encrypted or does that violate end to
| end policy?
|
| Though I like being able to cancel/edit until the send
| deadline so from my perspective it's best to keep on the
| sender device as long as possible and send only at the last
| possible second.
| MBCook wrote:
| But iMessage is synced between devices. So if I delay a
| send on my iPhone and lose network, my other Apple
| devices know enough they could still send it.
|
| Should they (I asked to send) or not ('sending' device
| offline)?
| jeroenhd wrote:
| If it's E2EE, why not send the message with a timestamp
| at which the server should approximately process the
| message? If it's well encapsulated/encrypted, it
| shouldn't matter that the message is on the server for a
| while.
| MBCook wrote:
| What does the receiving user see? Do they know it was
| scheduled?
|
| If not they may expect me to start responding when I may be
| unavailable.
|
| What happens to read status (when on)? I haven't read your
| last X messages but I did send one to you? That's off.
|
| Can it be canceled?
|
| How does this interact with the new function in iOS 16
| letting you edit and delete after send?
|
| Can I schedule send on my iPhone but edit before send on my
| iPad?
|
| What if I schedule send and lose network. Then I edit on both
| my iPhone and iPad to show different things but they're both
| off network. Not they both come back. What gets sent?
|
| What if the 'wrong one' comes back first?
|
| Does it work with SMS?
|
| Lots of weird complications to think about.
| samatman wrote:
| Personally, I would solve all of these by pushing the
| message up, like sending it, but with colors that make it
| clear that it's suspended, and a clock icon, which shows
| when it will send.
|
| Long press the message to get a context menu: edit, delete,
| reschedule, send now.
|
| As for sync and all that, whatever algorithm they use for
| Notes is fine with me. I would expect the message itself to
| be living in iCloud until it's sent, so most of the
| questions about losing network connectivity or not having
| battery life wouldn't apply. So no, no SMS: support for SMS
| in Messages is an afterthought and I would in fact prefer
| two different apps, although I might be the only one who
| feels that way.
| jeroenhd wrote:
| Telegram's implementation shows a little calendar icon
| next to the text input when you've planned a message,
| which takes you to a list of planned messages you can
| interact with like any other message. This solves the
| problem of your message appearing right in the middle of
| already sent messages or your message constantly bubbling
| down as a real-time conversation takes place. I think it
| works quite well.
| jeroenhd wrote:
| Using Telegram as a reference:
|
| - In the notification: yes. In the chat view: no. I don't
| know why it matters, though. If you expect an immediate
| response, you should probably use a more asynchronous
| communication method (many email platforms can hold
| messages for you). That doesn't seem like a reason to not
| make the feature available, though.
|
| - That's a possible state regardless, unless the client
| must always have a full database of all received messages
| before new messages come in; most messaging apps seem to
| support a "fragmented" read state and I doubt iOS's
| messenger doesn't.
|
| - Yes
|
| - I don't see the problem here. Replace the message in the
| queue using an account+message identifier/cryptographic
| signature/magical pixie dust.
|
| - Yes
|
| - If the message is sent by the server at the scheduled
| time, this isn't a problem. If you rely on individual
| devices (Google's implementation), you may end up sending a
| duplicate. I doubt this'll happen that often in practice.
|
| - Depends on the implementation; the server will probably
| keep the "correct" version to send.
|
| - Probably not? There are tons of features that don't work
| with SMS though. I haven't used SMS for years, but Google's
| Messages app has delayed messages and a web client, so this
| seems like a solved enough problem for those still using
| SMS.
|
| Several chat apps, including SMS apps, have this feature
| already. E2EE adds a layer of complexity but even that can
| be fixed with existing technology.
| hackernewds wrote:
| Spam
| samatman wrote:
| This one I'm not seeing. Spam is about volume, how does
| this help a spammer spam more if it takes longer than just
| sending a message, which presumably it would?
| yieldcrv wrote:
| forget work, This would be useful for texting someone you're
| interested in that would be wary of someone that text at an odd
| hour or "too soon", just send the thing you are thinking of at
| the time but set a delay!
| ideamotor wrote:
| I find as I get older, I want to simplify. I know setting this up
| would be easy but it's just one more thing to mess with that
| isn't tackling a fundamental issue. The fundamental issue here is
| why you want to send delayed messages not how.
| green-salt wrote:
| I feel like this is trying to dodge IM and email noise fatigue
| and having that bleed into texts. I'm nocturnal when I have the
| choice so I understand, but would definitely mute a coworker if
| they regularly texted me on a schedule for when I wake up.
| yardstick wrote:
| > It's especially useful in situations where I have a work-
| related thought at 3AM and don't want to risk waking up and
| annoying my co-workers.
|
| Just send an email?
|
| If it doesn't require an immediate response, use email.
|
| Also if it's iPhone to iPhone you likely won't interrupt the
| other user since they would/should have night mode on anyway.
| prmoustache wrote:
| We like it or not, spam, corporate and commercial harassment
| made so that many people have dropped email for most intra team
| communication a long time ago and barely check it or only once
| a week.
| blinded wrote:
| Similar to other notifications, I feel its up to the recienver
| to control their notification in a way that makes sense to
| them.
| hkpack wrote:
| Some teams doesn't have dedicated on-call engineer, so
| message as 3am may mean something may be urgent. At least it
| would be difficult to resist looking at what is going on.
|
| E-mail is way to go in this situation.
|
| Also, sender will be unavailable to reply for additional
| info, while appearing to be online.
| macintux wrote:
| I don't have access to corporate email on my phone, although
| I'd probably use Slack instead of a text.
| vimy wrote:
| You can make a new shortcut that is triggered by a specific hour.
| Not sure why this post says it can't be done.
|
| I used it last month to wish someone happy birthday.
| thunfischbrot wrote:
| > so I had come to depend on it in my daily workflow. It's
| especially useful in situations where I have a work-related
| thought at 3AM and don't want to risk waking up and annoying my
| co-workers.
|
| At first glance this seems like a perfect match for e-mail
| instead of iMessage or SMS.
|
| From least to most urgent: Postcard E-Mail Slack iMessage SMS
| Call
| fragmede wrote:
| Not to mention, (some) email has a send later feature.
| LeonenTheDK wrote:
| Another common feature of a default app that Apple lacks is
| having multiple timers on the iPhone clock app. Most often used
| by my partner when cooking and there are a couple things going
| that need different times. This is a feature in my Pixel and I
| just can't understand what reason there is to not include it.
|
| That said though, this is a fantastic work around, I love seeing
| clever uses of tools to make them do things their creators
| (probably) didn't necessarily intend.
| 14 wrote:
| This is why I always loved jailbreaking my iPhones. Typically
| there is an app out there somewhere that will do what you want
| but it was always nice to go to cydia and find a tweak that
| allowed stock apps and functions to do what they normally would
| not be able to do.
| MBCook wrote:
| Why don't my timers sync?
|
| If I start something on my watch or HomePod why can't I check
| in on it on my phone?
|
| Why do I need a set of independent timers for ever Apple device
| I own?
| usrn wrote:
| Syncing clocks is surprisingly difficult. On top of that you
| have to get the message to all the devices that there even is
| a timer, this might be delivered after the timer expires. I
| don't think you could do this in a way where people could
| rely on it. You already have caldav which can sync your
| agenda, I think that's probably the closest you'll get.
|
| There's a sibling comment that mentions HomeKit timers. I'd
| bet those are living on some remote machine and you're only
| able to check them but they behave very differently from
| local timers.
| MBCook wrote:
| All the devices are already synced to an NTP server. I
| don't need millisecond accuracy here.
| robbiep wrote:
| You can check a HomePod timer on your phone - it's in the
| home app under whatever pod it is, down the bottom
| activitypea wrote:
| This makes me even more annoyed than if it just wasn't
| possible
| usrn wrote:
| iOS lacks support for multiple instances of nearly everything.
| It's the OS of "form over function."
| yakubin wrote:
| I would love that feature for cooking! It's such a no-brainer.
|
| Edit: it seems there exists an app for that[1]. Gonna try it
| tomorrow.
|
| [1]: <https://apps.apple.com/us/app/easy-cooking-
| timer/id492224774>
| ezfe wrote:
| The HomePod and Watch both support multiple timers, which makes
| it more baffling
| sgt wrote:
| The teams did not communicate
| tekchip wrote:
| The clock app team probably had the thought to add it at
| 3am but couldn't schedule an iMessage to remind their
| teammates to implement it.
| kmlx wrote:
| > Another common feature of a default app that Apple lacks is
| having multiple timers on the iPhone clock app.
|
| siri supports this. i mainly use it when cooking and need
| multiple timers.
| hgazx wrote:
| It doesn't allow me to do this. If I ask to create a timer
| and then ask to create another I'm asked if I want to replace
| the previous one.
| jeffbee wrote:
| Not on iPhone.
| null0pointer wrote:
| When shortcuts were first released I immediately tried to
| implement delayed messaging too. In the end I wasn't able to get
| it working and gave up. Great job finding this workaround!
| tumdum_ wrote:
| Work though at 3am? Sounds like a really unhealthy relationship
| with work. Not surprised author is from states.
| a-dub wrote:
| > Work though at 3am? Sounds like a really unhealthy
| relationship with work. Not surprised author is from states.
|
| it's common for creative individual contributors to work late
| and often those kinds of people do their best work late. i'd
| argue that the way it can become unhealthy is when rigid early
| work hours lead to sleep deprivation which can damage
| performance, well-being and overall stability.
| stuartd wrote:
| Some people (like me) are wide awake at 3AM and have work
| thoughts then. Others are asleep - we're all different. I tend
| to use email drafts or email myself the text with a note to
| forward it.
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