[HN Gopher] The golden age of the aging actor
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       The golden age of the aging actor
        
       Author : BayAreaEscapee
       Score  : 63 points
       Date   : 2022-07-05 17:18 UTC (5 hours ago)
        
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       | Saint_Genet wrote:
       | It's also the age of 35 year old women playing the mothers of 25
       | year old men
        
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         | rasz wrote:
         | also 55 mothers of 45 year olds (The Northman)
        
         | ChuckNorris89 wrote:
         | _> It's also the age of 35 year old women playing the mothers
         | of 25 year old men_
         | 
         | Its my gripe with the latest Dune adaptation. No way that
         | actress was old enough to be Paul's mom unless she had him when
         | she was 6 years old. She looked more like his siter than his
         | mother.
         | 
         | It bugs me when they don't have age apropriate family members
         | with such obviously wide age gaps.
        
           | antisthenes wrote:
           | > No way that actress was old enough to be Paul's mom unless
           | she had him when she was 6 years old.
           | 
           | If you know anything about Dune's lore, you would know why
           | this is the case. The movie absolutely does not go into
           | enough detail about this or explain the abilities of Bene
           | Gesserit.
           | 
           | In fact, I don't think it does it at all.
        
           | beezlebroxxxxxx wrote:
           | I understand your complaint in the larger context of popular
           | culture. But in the context of Dune, which takes place 1000s
           | of years in the future, and in which there exist a
           | genetically manipulating pseudo-cult group of witches/spies
           | who are desperately seeking the ascendancy of humankind to a
           | higher plane of existence, it is slightly more reasonable
           | that Jessica Atreides looks the way she does, as a hyper
           | attractive concubine that was _intended_ (you might say
           | "designed") to eventually develop the bloodline of a pseudo-
           | god. But that also only really makes sense if you're invested
           | in the narrative.
           | 
           | The real kicker is that Paul probably should have looked
           | younger. In the novel, he arrives on Arrakis when he is 15.
        
           | saiya-jin wrote:
           | Well there is only 12 years age difference between actors,
           | but Chalamet looks 15-17 all the time. Maybe creators wanted
           | to emphasize strict gene selection happening behind curtains,
           | and people in year 10,191 have better healthcare/skincare on
           | position of queen.
           | 
           | Never met 40+ woman who looked as if she just finished
           | university? Smooth skin, no moles or wrinkles, energetic.
           | Genes + upkeep + generally healthy lifestyle + good sleep.
           | And probably no kids.
           | 
           | Its not outrageous to have 15 year old son and looking very
           | fine, plenty of world even in 2022 start having kids
           | before/at 20. Look at all the photos of young moms from
           | Ukraine escaping, often almost teenagers around young mom, in
           | age that here where I live local women start thinking about
           | having a child.
        
           | Saint_Genet wrote:
           | This is vey much what I had in mind, I think Rebecca Ferguson
           | is like 12 years older than Timothee Chalamet
        
         | WalterBright wrote:
         | That's nothing new.
        
           | ajsnigrutin wrote:
           | Yep, and the reverse also... 35+yo people playing
           | highscoolers was the norm.
           | 
           | I mean, i guess it's kinda hard to film scenes not-in-
           | chronological-order with a teenager who visibly changes
           | during the filming, but it's not an impossible thing to do.
        
             | jfengel wrote:
             | 35 year olds also don't have to go to school, or be
             | tutored. And they're allowed to work longer hours than
             | actual children are.
        
               | conductr wrote:
               | Funny that actors in their 20s, especially early 20s
               | isn't the obvious solution when bodily change has slowed
               | but age can still easily pass for HS aged.
        
           | Saint_Genet wrote:
           | But neither is older actors. People like Cary Grant, Paul
           | Newman, and Robert Redford played hunks well into their 50s
        
             | nonameiguess wrote:
             | They don't cite the source, but the claim in the article is
             | that the average age of top-billed actors has gone up
             | faster than the average age of the audience, not that
             | yesteryear had 0 older stars.
        
             | greedo wrote:
             | And Tom Cruise is 60.
        
               | Retric wrote:
               | His latest movie was also filmed 3 years ago in large
               | part due to how long CGI takes but also how long movies
               | are edited. So not only do Actors age more between
               | filming and release, but it also takes longer for a new
               | actor to catch on.
               | 
               | Aka they film a movie when their 20, it's a breakout hit
               | when their 23, their next movie comes out when their 26.
        
               | WalterBright wrote:
               | It was filmed 3 years ago because the release was delayed
               | due to the pandemic. They didn't want it to flop because
               | people weren't going to the theaters.
        
               | Retric wrote:
               | It was finished filming almost a year before they started
               | shutting down movie theaters for the pandemic and they
               | didn't release promotional materials back then.
               | 
               | So, that pushes the earliest summer release as 2 to 2.5
               | years after filming each scene assuming COVID actually
               | delayed things.
        
               | WalterBright wrote:
               | And he has his own P-51.
        
               | greedo wrote:
               | That bugged me. No way could someone on a Captain's
               | salary (or even what he was being paid as a test pilot if
               | on reserve status) afford one.
        
               | conductr wrote:
               | Who said he bought it?
               | 
               | Implying gift/inheritance not theft. If I was a grandpa
               | and had one in my shed, I'd probably give it to my
               | grandkid that happens to be a top gun pilot/instructor.
        
         | hawski wrote:
         | That reminds me about Laila Lockhart Kraner from Netflix's
         | "Gabby's Dollhouse" is presumably in her early 20s. She plays
         | an 11 year old.
        
           | mgkimsal wrote:
           | Google showing she's 26 or 27?
        
             | hawski wrote:
             | I haven't seen a conclusive answer. My search results
             | suggest that she may be 22, but it is mostly based on the
             | fact that she has some voice acting credits from 2003.
             | Someone on Reddit mentioned that they read an article
             | saying "(...) she moved to LA w her family when she was 6,
             | and then took up acting classes "a while later"" and this
             | suggest that voice acting would probably be after this. So
             | she would be from 1997 at least and that would make her 25
             | (or more). The show had its premiere on January 2021.
             | 
             | Regardless it is remarkable or even more remarkable.
             | 
             | I looked her up, because my daughter was asking about her.
        
           | BurningFrog wrote:
           | Tried to look it up, but she's kept her age secret.
           | 
           | I'm surprised that works in 2022!
        
           | MisterBastahrd wrote:
           | Now do the actors of Beverly Hills 90210. When the show
           | started, Ian Ziering was 26. Jason Priestly was 21. Lukey
           | Perry was 24. Gabrielle Carteris was 29. Shannon Doherty was
           | 23.
        
             | Retric wrote:
             | It's seems more reasonable to use 26 year old actors to
             | play a ~16 year old high school students than 11 year olds.
             | 
             | Daniel Radcliffe on the other hand was actually 11-12 when
             | playing an 11-12 year old character. By comparison Tom
             | Felton as Draco Malfoy simply didn't fit nearly as well
             | because he was a 2 years older.
             | https://fantasytopics.com/harry-potter-cast-real-life-
             | ages-d...
        
       | fullshark wrote:
       | My theory is that Movies are not the dominant cultural force for
       | the younger generation. Their celebrity idols are on social media
       | ( and musicians but nothing new there).
        
         | echelon wrote:
         | Those 40 and up only account for 30% of ticket sales [1],
         | despite being nearly 50% of the population. This is a figure I
         | find rather shocking given that these ages include those with
         | children and those with an abundance of time in retirement.
         | 
         | Another factor may be the skyrocketing costs of movie tickets.
         | This source [2] shows that tickets went from $4.35 in 1996 to
         | $9.16 in 2021, which exceeds the rate of inflation.
         | Additionally, I'm not aware of any tickets to be had for $9.
         | Tickets are exorbitantly expensive these days [3].
         | 
         | [1] https://www.mekkographics.com/american-moviegoers-by-age-
         | and...
         | 
         | [2] https://247wallst.com/media/2021/03/29/this-is-the-price-
         | of-...
         | 
         | [3] The price for one ticket to Jurassic World tonight at a
         | theater near to me is $18.84. This is in "2D" on a standard
         | screen.
        
           | FredPret wrote:
           | Hollywood is churning out Transformers, Marvel, and Fast &
           | Furious movies by the dozen. I don't think this really
           | appeals to most people over a certain age.
        
         | mettamage wrote:
         | I am on IG since a few weeks meeting a lot of new people. Based
         | on those experiences, I feel you're completely right.
         | 
         | I could only wonder about the tiktok world but that is a step
         | too far for me
        
           | fullshark wrote:
           | I just saw that a TikTok trend involves filming your friends
           | going out to see the new minions movie in suits:
           | 
           | https://www.distractify.com/p/minions-movie-tiktok-trend
           | 
           | It's getting some credit for a ticket sale bump. I wonder if
           | the joke for some kids isn't just that the minions are lame
           | but movies as a whole are lame?
        
             | synu wrote:
             | It's Morbin' Time (Morbius) was a similar recent joke where
             | the comedy came from pretending a bad movie was good.
        
             | schnevets wrote:
             | I just think it's a cyclical response to life becoming
             | increasingly casual. In my public high school (~2005), we
             | started doing "Formal Fridays" where we would dress up in
             | suits. It was just a dumb, ironic fad that spanned multiple
             | cliques and essentially went viral. At its peak, one
             | enterprising friend bought a gross of hideous yellow-and-
             | black "swiss cheese ties" and started selling them.
             | Teachers were extremely concerned that it was some sort of
             | gang/hidden meaning thing...
             | 
             | But I digress. Altogether, I think it's good for the
             | industry that kids are gathering at movie theaters again
             | and doing things like this that make memories.
        
             | oogali wrote:
             | I recall reading that was a TikTok scheme created by a
             | marketing agency for the opening of the movie in the
             | Israeli market.
             | 
             | And yes, it helped drive a better opening weekend than was
             | normally projected.
        
         | greedo wrote:
         | Compare the annual gross sales of video games vs. Hollywood
         | blockbusters. Yet gaming is given short shrift.
         | 
         | My kids are all on their phones watching tiktok and youtube.
         | They were traumatized when a prominent YouTuber died this
         | weekend of cancer.
         | 
         | Movies? They used to be into the MCU when it was relatively
         | fresh, but now it's stale, like Harry Potter. My youngest went
         | to see TopGun Maverick with me, but wanted to spend time with
         | me more than seeing an old boomer movie retread.
        
           | majormajor wrote:
           | Gaming seems to get the same sort of short shrift as sports.
           | Which is to say, they're competing for entertainment dollars,
           | but not necessarily as much as cultural referents. And note
           | that on HN you'll see much more discussion of movies than of
           | sports... so it should be easy to see where that blind spot
           | would be different (either opposite, or ignoring both areas).
           | 
           | It's an interesting thing because some games are much more
           | narrative, and others are much more competition-oriented. The
           | latter seem to be driving a lot of the current $$$$.
           | 
           | Youtube and social media exist in a new sort of advertising-
           | dollar-pie-expanding competiting-but-also-newly-different
           | genre of _free_ content. And kids will eat that shit up since
           | they aren 't rolling in money for increasingly-expensive
           | movies.
           | 
           | A lot of movie genres have basically just moved to cable and
           | streaming. Funny that yesterday's "free" kids entertainment
           | (cable, since parents were subscribed anyway) is today's
           | paywalled streaming content.
           | 
           | Is Hollywood, by itself, threatened by Tiktok any more than
           | it was by MTV? Between streaming and theatrical, Hollywood is
           | doing great. The streaming bubble has to deflate some, though
           | - it's been running at a loss for a decade - we'll see how
           | big a hit that is.
        
         | atmosx wrote:
         | Anthony Mackie on why Hollywood movies are of poor quality and
         | why there are no movie stars anymore:
         | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oj8JK6c5x3M
        
           | ralston3 wrote:
           | Watched this. Very interesting
        
         | BolexNOLA wrote:
         | The video game industry is also larger than all other major
         | entertainment media industries (film/television/music)
         | combined, so there's that to compete with.
        
         | schnevets wrote:
         | A friend's indie band entered a hiatus after a disappointing
         | tour across the northeast (OH, PA, NJ, NY, MA, ME). Simply put,
         | they all realized it isn't enough to be talented musicians,
         | they need to learn how to be better entertainers (which is
         | increasingly synonymous with _influencers_ )
        
           | InitialLastName wrote:
           | This isn't new.
           | 
           | There's a reason Bruce Springsteen is huge, and it isn't
           | because he can sing.
        
             | tcbawo wrote:
             | Perhaps Jimmy Buffett is an example of someone who created
             | a successful brand/following on top of modestly successful
             | music.
        
             | sklargh wrote:
             | He can growl though.
        
             | vajrabum wrote:
             | That's interesting. Can you expand on it? What does
             | Springsteen do as a influencer?
        
               | DoughnutHole wrote:
               | I'd say that guy was honing in on "entertainer" -
               | Springsteen is a much better performer and entertainer
               | than he is a songwriter or musician generally. The man's
               | still performing incredible 3 hour shows at 72 years old.
               | 
               | I'm not aware of him doing any social media influencing -
               | he had earned his reputation long before social media.
        
           | fknorangesite wrote:
           | > Simply put, they all realized it isn't enough to be
           | talented musicians
           | 
           | Has it ever been?
        
       | WalterBright wrote:
       | Movies about high school go back to the 1950s, nearly always with
       | a cast of "teenagers" that have lines and receding hairlines and
       | are 28 years old. To me, they look ridiculous pretending to be
       | kids.
        
         | WalterBright wrote:
         | One exception is the movie "Over The Edge" with a cast of all
         | unknown first time acting high school kids. It worked well. The
         | movie made Matt Dillon a star. I'm surprised more directors
         | don't take a chance like that.
        
           | vlunkr wrote:
           | How often does that work though? Actual teenage actor are
           | less experienced and usually worse than older actors. There
           | are also child labor laws that don't allow them to work as
           | many hours, which may slow the whole production down if
           | they're in the main cast.
        
             | WalterBright wrote:
             | I suspect it's the director that makes it work.
             | 
             | Another example is the 1968 Romeo and Juliet, where the
             | leads were kids. It's the only version of the story that
             | really works. Both West Side Story and its remake had the
             | "kids" way too old to be believably besotted with each
             | other.
        
             | ajsnigrutin wrote:
             | It worked with many other series, like kid-to-adult series,
             | eg. Harry Potter. Yeah, sure, it took a bit longer than 7
             | years, but the age difference (actor vs character) were not
             | that large even at the end of filming).
        
         | ChrisMarshallNY wrote:
         | I dunno. I think this kid looks pretty good: https://i.kym-
         | cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/018/666/fel...
        
           | ChrisMarshallNY wrote:
           | _META_
           | 
           | For the last two hours, I've watched the score on the above
           | comment, oscillate.
           | 
           | So far, HN members with a sense of humor, just _barely_ edge
           | out those, without.
           | 
           | I've always found life is better for me, if I can laugh. WFM.
           | YMMV.
        
       | WalterBright wrote:
       | I've run into a few celebrity actors in real life. They all look
       | quite a bit older than on screen, and much less
       | handsome/beautiful in real life. Hollywood makeup and lighting
       | works very well, they know their craft!
        
         | Retric wrote:
         | Some of this is just the lag time between filming and when you
         | actually see an actor. Top Gun Maverick isn't even out and it
         | was filmed between 3 September 2018 - July 2019.
         | 
         | Add some time between when you actually see a movie and you see
         | an actor in real live and they may have been 5+ years younger
         | when it was actually filmed.
        
           | Balgair wrote:
           | I'd add that the camera also adds 10 lbs. Meaning that due to
           | the physics of the optics and sensors, faces get flattened
           | out and people look 'fat' as a result.
           | 
           | So, to compensate, actors tend to be a lot skinnier in real
           | life. Like, 'yo, you need a cheeseburger' skinnier. My
           | brother lived in LA for a number of years and would
           | occasionally run into celebs. He said that when running into
           | one he would first always say to himself 'Hey, that person
           | looks a lot like a skinnier and shorter version of ___". And,
           | lo, it would just be that actor, but without all the makeup
           | and lighting and wardrobe.
        
       | mirntyfirty wrote:
       | I'd claim that there's so much familiarity and energy directed
       | towards the development and marketing of these actors that it's
       | probably tough to establish the next generation.
        
         | beezlebroxxxxxx wrote:
         | You're also seeing the effects of plastic surgery and/or
         | aggressive anti-aging procedures. Actors are aging slower,
         | superficially, and this is leaving less leading or main roles
         | (in an already diminished blockbuster schedule) open to a new
         | younger group of actors. The same actors are staying around
         | longer. For marketing reasons, there is less incentive to debut
         | a new actor (unless it's a serious prestige picture), and the
         | actors get caught in a weird state of body modification and
         | refusing to age. A lot of their faces move oddly now. This goes
         | for male and female actors.
        
           | [deleted]
        
           | greedo wrote:
           | I saw Tom Cruise at the Silverstone racetrack with Mercedes
           | during the British Grand Prix. Seeing him without makeup was
           | a huge change from how he looked in the latest Top Gun movie.
           | He actually looked his age.
        
             | Wohlf wrote:
             | And Top Gun Maverick is the oldest he's ever looked too.
        
             | wmeredith wrote:
             | That's funny. When my wife and I saw him during the pre-
             | race show, we jokingly said he looks great for 40! (Tom
             | Cruise is 60)
        
             | inanutshellus wrote:
             | ... and did you see Nicole Kidman in Aquaman? Sometimes CGI
             | "help" hits the uncanny valley instead.
        
               | beezlebroxxxxxx wrote:
               | I think Nicole Kidman has flat out broken her face with
               | all of the plastic surgery she has gotten in the last
               | couple years. She might look more attractive by strange
               | Hollywood/LA standards, but she has seriously limited her
               | own ability to emote with her face. She looks like she's
               | practically wearing a mask now.
        
               | greedo wrote:
               | I thought she looked fine in The Northman, but that also
               | was a very dark/dimly lit movie.
        
           | WalterBright wrote:
           | Tom Cruise obviously works very hard at staying in shape and
           | training for the stunts. It's not like he just shows up and
           | says his lines like most actors.
        
             | mateo411 wrote:
             | Yes, he definitely doesn't follow the convention approach
             | like other leading actors. You might even call him a
             | "maverick" for having a strong independent opinion on how
             | to make and showcase movies.
        
             | beezlebroxxxxxx wrote:
             | I would say Tom Cruise is probably the biggest male movie
             | star for exactly what you say. His performances have a
             | degree of authenticity to them that is unique. When you see
             | the stunts, you're often seeing him, and this gives his
             | films a unique thrill and feel.
             | 
             | That said, Top Gun had some pretty incredible makeup and/or
             | CGI for his face. The lighting in that movie was also
             | phenomenal. The result was an almost uncanny valley look to
             | him where he looked simultaneously old and young all at
             | once. I was especially thrown off by the pre-movie screener
             | he produced that thanked the audience for seeing the film
             | in theatres. He looked a solid 5-10 years older in that
             | screener compared to Top Gun, which was filmed mostly in
             | 2019.
        
           | Saint_Genet wrote:
           | Very much so, advancements in cosmetic surgery as well as the
           | strict training and supplements that were not available for
           | older generations of actors. Take someone like Kumail
           | Nanjiani who very clearly were on HGH for his role in The
           | Eternals
        
             | beezlebroxxxxxx wrote:
             | The effect of steroids, and ultra aggressive cutters, on
             | male actors is pretty outrageous. It's more outrageous,
             | though, that a lot of the male actors refuse to admit it
             | and in turn will try to sell or advertise their workouts. I
             | think Nanjiani was kind of the nail in the coffin to the
             | idea that actors were natty, though. His body recomp, in
             | the time frame, was truly comical.
        
         | asdff wrote:
         | They still have their same old pipelines. Zendaya for example
         | came from disney channel.
        
       | JansjoFromIkea wrote:
       | It'd be good to see the age trends of major Hollywood executives
       | too; I can't imagine they were ever especially young but are we
       | possibly just having close to zero new blood coming in over the
       | last few decades so the ones making the decisions are still the
       | ones who decided all these names should be stars in the first
       | place.
       | 
       | Beyond that a lot of it would be that society has changed in a
       | manner that it's just very hard to have a movie star today that
       | has the level of widespread fame that a Tom Cruise or Brad Pitt
       | attained in the 90s.
       | 
       | You've also got a lot more actors who know how to handle their
       | careers long enough to protect their status; there's a template
       | the likes of Robert Redford built out by getting so involved in
       | the overall process that still helps a lot.
        
       | standardUser wrote:
       | I think this is just another consequence of Millennials becoming
       | the dominant cultural force. There are the stars they grew up on.
        
         | lapcat wrote:
         | Top Gun was 1986.
         | 
         | Millennials were _born_ in the 1980s.
         | 
         | So, no. As usual, everyone forgets that GenX exists.
        
           | asdff wrote:
           | Millenials knew Tom from Mission Impossible.
        
       | paulpauper wrote:
       | Tom Cruise can single-handedly solve ageing.
        
         | asdff wrote:
         | You mean finasteride, botox, a trainer, and a dietician can
        
       | mywittyname wrote:
       | Hollywood relies heavily on networking. Older actors have larger
       | networks.
       | 
       | Prolific actors tend to also own their own production companies.
       | Adam Sandler and Tom Cruise both own the production companies for
       | their movies, which means they can have basically any role they
       | want. Adam Sandler stars in dopey comedies set in on tropical
       | islands with all of the same people because he likes getting paid
       | to hang out with his friends in nice places.
       | 
       | Also, I think we can't discount how amazing plastic surgery is
       | anymore. We don't see "old" actors hardy ever anymore. Even in
       | the 90s, balding actors were pretty common, now you never see
       | them. TC looks 35; same with Brad Pitt, Jennifer Aniston, Paul
       | Rudd, etc. Why go with someone new when Brad Pitt looks just as
       | young, but is a known quantity?
        
         | rr888 wrote:
         | > Adam Sandler stars in dopey comedies
         | 
         | With the hottest actresses, you can definitely notice he does
         | casting.
        
           | conductr wrote:
           | He owns it all
           | 
           | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Happy_Madison_producti.
           | ..
        
         | lotsofpulp wrote:
         | I am 35, and none of those people look close to 35. There is a
         | certain look to the youthfulness of the skin on the face that
         | always gives it away. Whatever that subcutaneous fat layer or
         | whatever is that deteriorates and makes things sag or deflate
         | has yet to be fixed in a believable way.
         | 
         | I also assume the films have heavy digital editing to make them
         | look younger.
        
         | asdff wrote:
         | You go with someone new because they are the fraction of the
         | price and headache as someone with star power. That's why when
         | it comes to quantity over quality productions in the streaming
         | era, all the leads are people you've probably never seen
         | before.
        
       | lapcat wrote:
       | Coincidentally, last night I saw "Solitary Man" (2009) starring
       | Michael Douglas, who was 65 at the time (now 77). He played a
       | character who had a series of one night stands with much (very
       | much) younger women, so he was still cast at that age as a kind
       | of sex symbol.
       | 
       | It only grossed $5 million though, below its budget. Too bad,
       | because the cast was amazing: also Susan Sarandon, Danny DeVito,
       | Jenna Fischer, Jesse Eisenberg, Mary-Louise Parker.
        
         | datavirtue wrote:
         | I'm 45 and have zero interest in watching anything with 1980s
         | actors. In fact, all of those names would ensure that I never
         | even give it a chance. Those guys are all washed up as hell.
         | 
         | Haven't been able to watch Deniro since I saw him get all
         | slobby drunk and try to talk during an award show in the 90s.
         | Most of these people have proven themselves ridiculous, making
         | it very hard to watch them in a movie...Tom Cruise especially.
         | 
         | "Only Murders in the Building" is awesome though.
        
           | lapcat wrote:
           | > In fact, all of those names would ensure that I never even
           | give it a chance.
           | 
           | Ok, well, that's weird, but you do you.
        
       | smm11 wrote:
       | The oldest of actors and actresses don't seem to be out there, in
       | the public eye 24-7, as the younger set does.
       | 
       | It's going to be very, very hard to have another Cruise, or
       | Costner, or Johnson, etc., with the baggage literally every
       | younger actor is carrying these days. It will take new faces, but
       | again, who we know nothing about. Which is possible, how?
        
         | nomdep wrote:
         | I don't think it's going to be a problem, if anything, public
         | attention is something they have to fight for instead of being
         | a burden.
         | 
         | Tom Holland, Anya Taylor-Joy, and Zendaya, for example, are in
         | their twenties, hugely popular, even among millenials, and
         | probably they will be still popular in twenty years
        
           | ipaddr wrote:
           | Never heard of them and they will probably have a lower
           | status in 20 years.
        
       | a4isms wrote:
       | This is a golden age for nostalgia by the boomers and their echo
       | generation.
       | 
       | It drives these highly delayed sequels, just as it drove the Star
       | Wars prequels. It drives high prices for certain used cars and
       | musical instruments, all of which represent nostalgia for a
       | generation that has retired with disposable income. It drives
       | outrageous ticket prices for aging rockers reliving 30 year-old
       | hits.
       | 
       | It's demographics. When this wealthy generation dies off, the
       | interest in its nostalgia will fade.
        
         | nonameiguess wrote:
         | Boomers? I'm only in my 40s and have a whole lot of 80s and 90s
         | nostalgia that Hollywood is milking the F out of. I'm hoping I
         | won't die any time soon. Tom Cruise and Ed Harris are just the
         | stars of some of my favorite movies from when I was a kid.
         | Jennifer Connelly one of my first crushes. Not sure Top Gun is
         | just targeting boomers.
        
           | panzagl wrote:
           | Psst, just so you know, Generation X doesn't exist anymore-
           | that's what GP meant by 'their echo generation'. I'd argue
           | against him, but, whatever.
        
             | jessaustin wrote:
             | [EDIT for clarity:] The boomers are a populous generation,
             | and their children the millennials are also populous in a
             | sort of "echo". It makes sense, that lots of parents would
             | have had lots of kids. X are a less populous generation
             | sandwiched in between those other two.
             | 
             | https://nerej.com/generation-y-also-known-as-millennial-
             | or-e...
        
           | prionassembly wrote:
           | Stranger Things.
           | 
           | ST is generally awful and I was _compelled_ to watch up to
           | S3. I 'd probably be watching S4 if I had the time. The thing
           | is impressively optimized.
        
             | dageshi wrote:
             | Apparently season 4 is pretty good.
             | 
             | The angry scottish man likes it
             | 
             | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLoToWBbbAU&t=166s
        
             | at_a_remove wrote:
             | I ditched somewhere around S3. It wasn't like Ready Player
             | One, where I felt ... _milked_ ... but it was close to it.
             | Gen X, mostly ignored, is still cynical enough to know when
             | someone is trying to play them, and that 's alright.
             | 
             | Don't get me wrong, some utility exists in the selection of
             | earlier settings, namely not having cell phones, so I am
             | sympathetic to that from the needs of the writers, but it
             | would be nice not to have this stuff laid on with a trowel.
        
               | Ensorceled wrote:
               | > It wasn't like Ready Player One, where I felt ...
               | milked ...
               | 
               | Ready Player One was a deliberately over the top
               | nostalgia fest ... Ready Player Two was where I felt
               | played/milked.
        
       | thefourthchime wrote:
       | China is also destroying the movie industry as well. They are too
       | large of a market not to cater to and have a rigorous set of
       | requirements for what's acceptable in a film.
       | 
       | Some things you would expect, like don't mention Taiwan, or being
       | critical of China. There's some weird stuff too, like no "time
       | travel" and no "ghosts".
        
         | voisin wrote:
         | > They are too large of a market not to cater to
         | 
         | Why? Seems the market was plenty big enough prior to their
         | ascendancy.
        
           | theshrike79 wrote:
           | A movie can make back its budget just by being a hit in
           | China.
           | 
           | This is how we get movies like Skyscraper(2018)[0]. $120M
           | budget. $70M from US/Canada. $300 from "worldwide" and most
           | of that was from China. Just the Chinese opening weekend
           | alone was $48M.
           | 
           | Transformers: Age of Extinction. $210M budget. China alone
           | provided $300M of profit.
           | 
           | All you need to do is hire Chinese actors for side
           | characters, set a bit of your movie in China and not talk
           | about Taiwan. Easy money =)
           | 
           | [0] https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5758778/
        
             | pru567 wrote:
             | I think its interesting that two of the most bankable stars
             | of their respective times are/were enormous guys: Arnold
             | Schwarzenegger and the Dwayne the Rock Johnson.
        
           | bidirectional wrote:
           | Obviously films can be produced without aiming to enter the
           | Chinese market, but the highest budgets will go to the films
           | which can, and they'll have higher marketing budgets and so
           | on.
        
           | Sparkle-san wrote:
           | China's middle class was about 3% of its population in 2000.
           | It's now around 50% of its population. The number of people
           | there able to afford going to the movies is substantially
           | higher now.
        
             | tines wrote:
             | Why is this being downvoted?
        
         | jimbokun wrote:
         | Was End Game (with it's time travel plot) not released in
         | China? Seems like I would have heard about that.
        
         | 130e13a wrote:
         | i wouldn't say outright destroying, but definitely distorting
        
         | BrianOnHN wrote:
         | What's the potential threat in the concept of time-travel?
        
           | JohnJamesRambo wrote:
           | We would go back and help Chang Kai-Shek harder of course.
           | 
           | I wonder what a world where he won would look like?
        
             | BrianOnHN wrote:
             | I'm sure they're not afraid of it becoming a real
             | technology.
             | 
             | So, what's the "danger" in the _concept_ alone? I 'm
             | assuming they have a "rational" explanation behind the
             | decision. What is it?
        
               | echelon wrote:
               | https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/general-
               | news/china-ba...
        
               | jfengel wrote:
               | That is surreal. It's also dated 2011; is this a policy
               | they're continuing? Did it ever apply to imported movies?
        
               | wodenokoto wrote:
               | It's hard to keep up with. I watched a video essay on
               | YouTube on why Chinese horro movies are so bad and the
               | main reason, it argued, was that the rules for what you
               | can and cannot show changes so quickly that you want to
               | get your movie out fast in fear of your plot device
               | becoming banned before release
        
               | henriquecm8 wrote:
               | What if the story takes place in a different universe,
               | with no relation with our history?
        
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               | BrianOnHN wrote:
               | > the fantasy of time travel - which potentially gives
               | the individual the freedom to reorder reality - conflicts
               | with politically correct thought
               | 
               | I think that excerpt from the article answers my
               | question.
        
         | zionic wrote:
         | They also delete black actors from movie posters.
        
         | daenz wrote:
         | >no time travel
         | 
         | According to this Quora post, it doesn't appear to be the
         | case[0]
         | 
         | 0. https://www.quora.com/Why-are-movies-about-time-travel-
         | banne...
        
           | Hellion wrote:
           | It's complicated. AFAIK there is no official ban.
           | 
           | It's not so much that time travel itself is banned, it's that
           | the Chinese government has a bunch of rules that make time
           | travel movies impossible to execute.
           | 
           | For example, the Chinese government wishes to protect the
           | dignity and honor of historical culture. And that means, any
           | movie made of those time periods must fundamentally be
           | serious.
           | 
           | Also, it's possible that whoever is running the movie review
           | board personally thinks time travel is "too silly".
        
         | mason55 wrote:
         | > _China is also destroying the movie industry as well._
         | 
         | China may be changing the "Summer Blockbuster" segment of the
         | industry but it's quite the stretch to say they are destroying
         | the whole thing. Plenty of great movies still come out every
         | year.
         | 
         | There's plenty of argument that the Academy Awards aren't
         | necessarily the best movies but even if you look at the movies
         | represented this year, there were a lot of good ones and I
         | don't think any of them were influenced by China. Obviously you
         | can't prove it unless the filmmakers confirm it, but certainly
         | there are a lot of movies with themes that would be
         | unacceptable to Chinese censors.
         | 
         | Maybe the plot of "Transformers 7" isn't as good as it could
         | have been without Chinese influence but as long as movies like
         | "The Power of the Dog" (or "Licorice Pizza" or "Belfast" or
         | "Flee" if animation is more up your alley or ... take your
         | pick) are coming out, I'd say the industry is doing ok.
        
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