[HN Gopher] The golden age of the aging actor ___________________________________________________________________ The golden age of the aging actor Author : BayAreaEscapee Score : 63 points Date : 2022-07-05 17:18 UTC (5 hours ago) (HTM) web link (www.theringer.com) (TXT) w3m dump (www.theringer.com) | Saint_Genet wrote: | It's also the age of 35 year old women playing the mothers of 25 | year old men | [deleted] | rasz wrote: | also 55 mothers of 45 year olds (The Northman) | ChuckNorris89 wrote: | _> It's also the age of 35 year old women playing the mothers | of 25 year old men_ | | Its my gripe with the latest Dune adaptation. No way that | actress was old enough to be Paul's mom unless she had him when | she was 6 years old. She looked more like his siter than his | mother. | | It bugs me when they don't have age apropriate family members | with such obviously wide age gaps. | antisthenes wrote: | > No way that actress was old enough to be Paul's mom unless | she had him when she was 6 years old. | | If you know anything about Dune's lore, you would know why | this is the case. The movie absolutely does not go into | enough detail about this or explain the abilities of Bene | Gesserit. | | In fact, I don't think it does it at all. | beezlebroxxxxxx wrote: | I understand your complaint in the larger context of popular | culture. But in the context of Dune, which takes place 1000s | of years in the future, and in which there exist a | genetically manipulating pseudo-cult group of witches/spies | who are desperately seeking the ascendancy of humankind to a | higher plane of existence, it is slightly more reasonable | that Jessica Atreides looks the way she does, as a hyper | attractive concubine that was _intended_ (you might say | "designed") to eventually develop the bloodline of a pseudo- | god. But that also only really makes sense if you're invested | in the narrative. | | The real kicker is that Paul probably should have looked | younger. In the novel, he arrives on Arrakis when he is 15. | saiya-jin wrote: | Well there is only 12 years age difference between actors, | but Chalamet looks 15-17 all the time. Maybe creators wanted | to emphasize strict gene selection happening behind curtains, | and people in year 10,191 have better healthcare/skincare on | position of queen. | | Never met 40+ woman who looked as if she just finished | university? Smooth skin, no moles or wrinkles, energetic. | Genes + upkeep + generally healthy lifestyle + good sleep. | And probably no kids. | | Its not outrageous to have 15 year old son and looking very | fine, plenty of world even in 2022 start having kids | before/at 20. Look at all the photos of young moms from | Ukraine escaping, often almost teenagers around young mom, in | age that here where I live local women start thinking about | having a child. | Saint_Genet wrote: | This is vey much what I had in mind, I think Rebecca Ferguson | is like 12 years older than Timothee Chalamet | WalterBright wrote: | That's nothing new. | ajsnigrutin wrote: | Yep, and the reverse also... 35+yo people playing | highscoolers was the norm. | | I mean, i guess it's kinda hard to film scenes not-in- | chronological-order with a teenager who visibly changes | during the filming, but it's not an impossible thing to do. | jfengel wrote: | 35 year olds also don't have to go to school, or be | tutored. And they're allowed to work longer hours than | actual children are. | conductr wrote: | Funny that actors in their 20s, especially early 20s | isn't the obvious solution when bodily change has slowed | but age can still easily pass for HS aged. | Saint_Genet wrote: | But neither is older actors. People like Cary Grant, Paul | Newman, and Robert Redford played hunks well into their 50s | nonameiguess wrote: | They don't cite the source, but the claim in the article is | that the average age of top-billed actors has gone up | faster than the average age of the audience, not that | yesteryear had 0 older stars. | greedo wrote: | And Tom Cruise is 60. | Retric wrote: | His latest movie was also filmed 3 years ago in large | part due to how long CGI takes but also how long movies | are edited. So not only do Actors age more between | filming and release, but it also takes longer for a new | actor to catch on. | | Aka they film a movie when their 20, it's a breakout hit | when their 23, their next movie comes out when their 26. | WalterBright wrote: | It was filmed 3 years ago because the release was delayed | due to the pandemic. They didn't want it to flop because | people weren't going to the theaters. | Retric wrote: | It was finished filming almost a year before they started | shutting down movie theaters for the pandemic and they | didn't release promotional materials back then. | | So, that pushes the earliest summer release as 2 to 2.5 | years after filming each scene assuming COVID actually | delayed things. | WalterBright wrote: | And he has his own P-51. | greedo wrote: | That bugged me. No way could someone on a Captain's | salary (or even what he was being paid as a test pilot if | on reserve status) afford one. | conductr wrote: | Who said he bought it? | | Implying gift/inheritance not theft. If I was a grandpa | and had one in my shed, I'd probably give it to my | grandkid that happens to be a top gun pilot/instructor. | hawski wrote: | That reminds me about Laila Lockhart Kraner from Netflix's | "Gabby's Dollhouse" is presumably in her early 20s. She plays | an 11 year old. | mgkimsal wrote: | Google showing she's 26 or 27? | hawski wrote: | I haven't seen a conclusive answer. My search results | suggest that she may be 22, but it is mostly based on the | fact that she has some voice acting credits from 2003. | Someone on Reddit mentioned that they read an article | saying "(...) she moved to LA w her family when she was 6, | and then took up acting classes "a while later"" and this | suggest that voice acting would probably be after this. So | she would be from 1997 at least and that would make her 25 | (or more). The show had its premiere on January 2021. | | Regardless it is remarkable or even more remarkable. | | I looked her up, because my daughter was asking about her. | BurningFrog wrote: | Tried to look it up, but she's kept her age secret. | | I'm surprised that works in 2022! | MisterBastahrd wrote: | Now do the actors of Beverly Hills 90210. When the show | started, Ian Ziering was 26. Jason Priestly was 21. Lukey | Perry was 24. Gabrielle Carteris was 29. Shannon Doherty was | 23. | Retric wrote: | It's seems more reasonable to use 26 year old actors to | play a ~16 year old high school students than 11 year olds. | | Daniel Radcliffe on the other hand was actually 11-12 when | playing an 11-12 year old character. By comparison Tom | Felton as Draco Malfoy simply didn't fit nearly as well | because he was a 2 years older. | https://fantasytopics.com/harry-potter-cast-real-life- | ages-d... | fullshark wrote: | My theory is that Movies are not the dominant cultural force for | the younger generation. Their celebrity idols are on social media | ( and musicians but nothing new there). | echelon wrote: | Those 40 and up only account for 30% of ticket sales [1], | despite being nearly 50% of the population. This is a figure I | find rather shocking given that these ages include those with | children and those with an abundance of time in retirement. | | Another factor may be the skyrocketing costs of movie tickets. | This source [2] shows that tickets went from $4.35 in 1996 to | $9.16 in 2021, which exceeds the rate of inflation. | Additionally, I'm not aware of any tickets to be had for $9. | Tickets are exorbitantly expensive these days [3]. | | [1] https://www.mekkographics.com/american-moviegoers-by-age- | and... | | [2] https://247wallst.com/media/2021/03/29/this-is-the-price- | of-... | | [3] The price for one ticket to Jurassic World tonight at a | theater near to me is $18.84. This is in "2D" on a standard | screen. | FredPret wrote: | Hollywood is churning out Transformers, Marvel, and Fast & | Furious movies by the dozen. I don't think this really | appeals to most people over a certain age. | mettamage wrote: | I am on IG since a few weeks meeting a lot of new people. Based | on those experiences, I feel you're completely right. | | I could only wonder about the tiktok world but that is a step | too far for me | fullshark wrote: | I just saw that a TikTok trend involves filming your friends | going out to see the new minions movie in suits: | | https://www.distractify.com/p/minions-movie-tiktok-trend | | It's getting some credit for a ticket sale bump. I wonder if | the joke for some kids isn't just that the minions are lame | but movies as a whole are lame? | synu wrote: | It's Morbin' Time (Morbius) was a similar recent joke where | the comedy came from pretending a bad movie was good. | schnevets wrote: | I just think it's a cyclical response to life becoming | increasingly casual. In my public high school (~2005), we | started doing "Formal Fridays" where we would dress up in | suits. It was just a dumb, ironic fad that spanned multiple | cliques and essentially went viral. At its peak, one | enterprising friend bought a gross of hideous yellow-and- | black "swiss cheese ties" and started selling them. | Teachers were extremely concerned that it was some sort of | gang/hidden meaning thing... | | But I digress. Altogether, I think it's good for the | industry that kids are gathering at movie theaters again | and doing things like this that make memories. | oogali wrote: | I recall reading that was a TikTok scheme created by a | marketing agency for the opening of the movie in the | Israeli market. | | And yes, it helped drive a better opening weekend than was | normally projected. | greedo wrote: | Compare the annual gross sales of video games vs. Hollywood | blockbusters. Yet gaming is given short shrift. | | My kids are all on their phones watching tiktok and youtube. | They were traumatized when a prominent YouTuber died this | weekend of cancer. | | Movies? They used to be into the MCU when it was relatively | fresh, but now it's stale, like Harry Potter. My youngest went | to see TopGun Maverick with me, but wanted to spend time with | me more than seeing an old boomer movie retread. | majormajor wrote: | Gaming seems to get the same sort of short shrift as sports. | Which is to say, they're competing for entertainment dollars, | but not necessarily as much as cultural referents. And note | that on HN you'll see much more discussion of movies than of | sports... so it should be easy to see where that blind spot | would be different (either opposite, or ignoring both areas). | | It's an interesting thing because some games are much more | narrative, and others are much more competition-oriented. The | latter seem to be driving a lot of the current $$$$. | | Youtube and social media exist in a new sort of advertising- | dollar-pie-expanding competiting-but-also-newly-different | genre of _free_ content. And kids will eat that shit up since | they aren 't rolling in money for increasingly-expensive | movies. | | A lot of movie genres have basically just moved to cable and | streaming. Funny that yesterday's "free" kids entertainment | (cable, since parents were subscribed anyway) is today's | paywalled streaming content. | | Is Hollywood, by itself, threatened by Tiktok any more than | it was by MTV? Between streaming and theatrical, Hollywood is | doing great. The streaming bubble has to deflate some, though | - it's been running at a loss for a decade - we'll see how | big a hit that is. | atmosx wrote: | Anthony Mackie on why Hollywood movies are of poor quality and | why there are no movie stars anymore: | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oj8JK6c5x3M | ralston3 wrote: | Watched this. Very interesting | BolexNOLA wrote: | The video game industry is also larger than all other major | entertainment media industries (film/television/music) | combined, so there's that to compete with. | schnevets wrote: | A friend's indie band entered a hiatus after a disappointing | tour across the northeast (OH, PA, NJ, NY, MA, ME). Simply put, | they all realized it isn't enough to be talented musicians, | they need to learn how to be better entertainers (which is | increasingly synonymous with _influencers_ ) | InitialLastName wrote: | This isn't new. | | There's a reason Bruce Springsteen is huge, and it isn't | because he can sing. | tcbawo wrote: | Perhaps Jimmy Buffett is an example of someone who created | a successful brand/following on top of modestly successful | music. | sklargh wrote: | He can growl though. | vajrabum wrote: | That's interesting. Can you expand on it? What does | Springsteen do as a influencer? | DoughnutHole wrote: | I'd say that guy was honing in on "entertainer" - | Springsteen is a much better performer and entertainer | than he is a songwriter or musician generally. The man's | still performing incredible 3 hour shows at 72 years old. | | I'm not aware of him doing any social media influencing - | he had earned his reputation long before social media. | fknorangesite wrote: | > Simply put, they all realized it isn't enough to be | talented musicians | | Has it ever been? | WalterBright wrote: | Movies about high school go back to the 1950s, nearly always with | a cast of "teenagers" that have lines and receding hairlines and | are 28 years old. To me, they look ridiculous pretending to be | kids. | WalterBright wrote: | One exception is the movie "Over The Edge" with a cast of all | unknown first time acting high school kids. It worked well. The | movie made Matt Dillon a star. I'm surprised more directors | don't take a chance like that. | vlunkr wrote: | How often does that work though? Actual teenage actor are | less experienced and usually worse than older actors. There | are also child labor laws that don't allow them to work as | many hours, which may slow the whole production down if | they're in the main cast. | WalterBright wrote: | I suspect it's the director that makes it work. | | Another example is the 1968 Romeo and Juliet, where the | leads were kids. It's the only version of the story that | really works. Both West Side Story and its remake had the | "kids" way too old to be believably besotted with each | other. | ajsnigrutin wrote: | It worked with many other series, like kid-to-adult series, | eg. Harry Potter. Yeah, sure, it took a bit longer than 7 | years, but the age difference (actor vs character) were not | that large even at the end of filming). | ChrisMarshallNY wrote: | I dunno. I think this kid looks pretty good: https://i.kym- | cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/018/666/fel... | ChrisMarshallNY wrote: | _META_ | | For the last two hours, I've watched the score on the above | comment, oscillate. | | So far, HN members with a sense of humor, just _barely_ edge | out those, without. | | I've always found life is better for me, if I can laugh. WFM. | YMMV. | WalterBright wrote: | I've run into a few celebrity actors in real life. They all look | quite a bit older than on screen, and much less | handsome/beautiful in real life. Hollywood makeup and lighting | works very well, they know their craft! | Retric wrote: | Some of this is just the lag time between filming and when you | actually see an actor. Top Gun Maverick isn't even out and it | was filmed between 3 September 2018 - July 2019. | | Add some time between when you actually see a movie and you see | an actor in real live and they may have been 5+ years younger | when it was actually filmed. | Balgair wrote: | I'd add that the camera also adds 10 lbs. Meaning that due to | the physics of the optics and sensors, faces get flattened | out and people look 'fat' as a result. | | So, to compensate, actors tend to be a lot skinnier in real | life. Like, 'yo, you need a cheeseburger' skinnier. My | brother lived in LA for a number of years and would | occasionally run into celebs. He said that when running into | one he would first always say to himself 'Hey, that person | looks a lot like a skinnier and shorter version of ___". And, | lo, it would just be that actor, but without all the makeup | and lighting and wardrobe. | mirntyfirty wrote: | I'd claim that there's so much familiarity and energy directed | towards the development and marketing of these actors that it's | probably tough to establish the next generation. | beezlebroxxxxxx wrote: | You're also seeing the effects of plastic surgery and/or | aggressive anti-aging procedures. Actors are aging slower, | superficially, and this is leaving less leading or main roles | (in an already diminished blockbuster schedule) open to a new | younger group of actors. The same actors are staying around | longer. For marketing reasons, there is less incentive to debut | a new actor (unless it's a serious prestige picture), and the | actors get caught in a weird state of body modification and | refusing to age. A lot of their faces move oddly now. This goes | for male and female actors. | [deleted] | greedo wrote: | I saw Tom Cruise at the Silverstone racetrack with Mercedes | during the British Grand Prix. Seeing him without makeup was | a huge change from how he looked in the latest Top Gun movie. | He actually looked his age. | Wohlf wrote: | And Top Gun Maverick is the oldest he's ever looked too. | wmeredith wrote: | That's funny. When my wife and I saw him during the pre- | race show, we jokingly said he looks great for 40! (Tom | Cruise is 60) | inanutshellus wrote: | ... and did you see Nicole Kidman in Aquaman? Sometimes CGI | "help" hits the uncanny valley instead. | beezlebroxxxxxx wrote: | I think Nicole Kidman has flat out broken her face with | all of the plastic surgery she has gotten in the last | couple years. She might look more attractive by strange | Hollywood/LA standards, but she has seriously limited her | own ability to emote with her face. She looks like she's | practically wearing a mask now. | greedo wrote: | I thought she looked fine in The Northman, but that also | was a very dark/dimly lit movie. | WalterBright wrote: | Tom Cruise obviously works very hard at staying in shape and | training for the stunts. It's not like he just shows up and | says his lines like most actors. | mateo411 wrote: | Yes, he definitely doesn't follow the convention approach | like other leading actors. You might even call him a | "maverick" for having a strong independent opinion on how | to make and showcase movies. | beezlebroxxxxxx wrote: | I would say Tom Cruise is probably the biggest male movie | star for exactly what you say. His performances have a | degree of authenticity to them that is unique. When you see | the stunts, you're often seeing him, and this gives his | films a unique thrill and feel. | | That said, Top Gun had some pretty incredible makeup and/or | CGI for his face. The lighting in that movie was also | phenomenal. The result was an almost uncanny valley look to | him where he looked simultaneously old and young all at | once. I was especially thrown off by the pre-movie screener | he produced that thanked the audience for seeing the film | in theatres. He looked a solid 5-10 years older in that | screener compared to Top Gun, which was filmed mostly in | 2019. | Saint_Genet wrote: | Very much so, advancements in cosmetic surgery as well as the | strict training and supplements that were not available for | older generations of actors. Take someone like Kumail | Nanjiani who very clearly were on HGH for his role in The | Eternals | beezlebroxxxxxx wrote: | The effect of steroids, and ultra aggressive cutters, on | male actors is pretty outrageous. It's more outrageous, | though, that a lot of the male actors refuse to admit it | and in turn will try to sell or advertise their workouts. I | think Nanjiani was kind of the nail in the coffin to the | idea that actors were natty, though. His body recomp, in | the time frame, was truly comical. | asdff wrote: | They still have their same old pipelines. Zendaya for example | came from disney channel. | JansjoFromIkea wrote: | It'd be good to see the age trends of major Hollywood executives | too; I can't imagine they were ever especially young but are we | possibly just having close to zero new blood coming in over the | last few decades so the ones making the decisions are still the | ones who decided all these names should be stars in the first | place. | | Beyond that a lot of it would be that society has changed in a | manner that it's just very hard to have a movie star today that | has the level of widespread fame that a Tom Cruise or Brad Pitt | attained in the 90s. | | You've also got a lot more actors who know how to handle their | careers long enough to protect their status; there's a template | the likes of Robert Redford built out by getting so involved in | the overall process that still helps a lot. | standardUser wrote: | I think this is just another consequence of Millennials becoming | the dominant cultural force. There are the stars they grew up on. | lapcat wrote: | Top Gun was 1986. | | Millennials were _born_ in the 1980s. | | So, no. As usual, everyone forgets that GenX exists. | asdff wrote: | Millenials knew Tom from Mission Impossible. | paulpauper wrote: | Tom Cruise can single-handedly solve ageing. | asdff wrote: | You mean finasteride, botox, a trainer, and a dietician can | mywittyname wrote: | Hollywood relies heavily on networking. Older actors have larger | networks. | | Prolific actors tend to also own their own production companies. | Adam Sandler and Tom Cruise both own the production companies for | their movies, which means they can have basically any role they | want. Adam Sandler stars in dopey comedies set in on tropical | islands with all of the same people because he likes getting paid | to hang out with his friends in nice places. | | Also, I think we can't discount how amazing plastic surgery is | anymore. We don't see "old" actors hardy ever anymore. Even in | the 90s, balding actors were pretty common, now you never see | them. TC looks 35; same with Brad Pitt, Jennifer Aniston, Paul | Rudd, etc. Why go with someone new when Brad Pitt looks just as | young, but is a known quantity? | rr888 wrote: | > Adam Sandler stars in dopey comedies | | With the hottest actresses, you can definitely notice he does | casting. | conductr wrote: | He owns it all | | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Happy_Madison_producti. | .. | lotsofpulp wrote: | I am 35, and none of those people look close to 35. There is a | certain look to the youthfulness of the skin on the face that | always gives it away. Whatever that subcutaneous fat layer or | whatever is that deteriorates and makes things sag or deflate | has yet to be fixed in a believable way. | | I also assume the films have heavy digital editing to make them | look younger. | asdff wrote: | You go with someone new because they are the fraction of the | price and headache as someone with star power. That's why when | it comes to quantity over quality productions in the streaming | era, all the leads are people you've probably never seen | before. | lapcat wrote: | Coincidentally, last night I saw "Solitary Man" (2009) starring | Michael Douglas, who was 65 at the time (now 77). He played a | character who had a series of one night stands with much (very | much) younger women, so he was still cast at that age as a kind | of sex symbol. | | It only grossed $5 million though, below its budget. Too bad, | because the cast was amazing: also Susan Sarandon, Danny DeVito, | Jenna Fischer, Jesse Eisenberg, Mary-Louise Parker. | datavirtue wrote: | I'm 45 and have zero interest in watching anything with 1980s | actors. In fact, all of those names would ensure that I never | even give it a chance. Those guys are all washed up as hell. | | Haven't been able to watch Deniro since I saw him get all | slobby drunk and try to talk during an award show in the 90s. | Most of these people have proven themselves ridiculous, making | it very hard to watch them in a movie...Tom Cruise especially. | | "Only Murders in the Building" is awesome though. | lapcat wrote: | > In fact, all of those names would ensure that I never even | give it a chance. | | Ok, well, that's weird, but you do you. | smm11 wrote: | The oldest of actors and actresses don't seem to be out there, in | the public eye 24-7, as the younger set does. | | It's going to be very, very hard to have another Cruise, or | Costner, or Johnson, etc., with the baggage literally every | younger actor is carrying these days. It will take new faces, but | again, who we know nothing about. Which is possible, how? | nomdep wrote: | I don't think it's going to be a problem, if anything, public | attention is something they have to fight for instead of being | a burden. | | Tom Holland, Anya Taylor-Joy, and Zendaya, for example, are in | their twenties, hugely popular, even among millenials, and | probably they will be still popular in twenty years | ipaddr wrote: | Never heard of them and they will probably have a lower | status in 20 years. | a4isms wrote: | This is a golden age for nostalgia by the boomers and their echo | generation. | | It drives these highly delayed sequels, just as it drove the Star | Wars prequels. It drives high prices for certain used cars and | musical instruments, all of which represent nostalgia for a | generation that has retired with disposable income. It drives | outrageous ticket prices for aging rockers reliving 30 year-old | hits. | | It's demographics. When this wealthy generation dies off, the | interest in its nostalgia will fade. | nonameiguess wrote: | Boomers? I'm only in my 40s and have a whole lot of 80s and 90s | nostalgia that Hollywood is milking the F out of. I'm hoping I | won't die any time soon. Tom Cruise and Ed Harris are just the | stars of some of my favorite movies from when I was a kid. | Jennifer Connelly one of my first crushes. Not sure Top Gun is | just targeting boomers. | panzagl wrote: | Psst, just so you know, Generation X doesn't exist anymore- | that's what GP meant by 'their echo generation'. I'd argue | against him, but, whatever. | jessaustin wrote: | [EDIT for clarity:] The boomers are a populous generation, | and their children the millennials are also populous in a | sort of "echo". It makes sense, that lots of parents would | have had lots of kids. X are a less populous generation | sandwiched in between those other two. | | https://nerej.com/generation-y-also-known-as-millennial- | or-e... | prionassembly wrote: | Stranger Things. | | ST is generally awful and I was _compelled_ to watch up to | S3. I 'd probably be watching S4 if I had the time. The thing | is impressively optimized. | dageshi wrote: | Apparently season 4 is pretty good. | | The angry scottish man likes it | | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLoToWBbbAU&t=166s | at_a_remove wrote: | I ditched somewhere around S3. It wasn't like Ready Player | One, where I felt ... _milked_ ... but it was close to it. | Gen X, mostly ignored, is still cynical enough to know when | someone is trying to play them, and that 's alright. | | Don't get me wrong, some utility exists in the selection of | earlier settings, namely not having cell phones, so I am | sympathetic to that from the needs of the writers, but it | would be nice not to have this stuff laid on with a trowel. | Ensorceled wrote: | > It wasn't like Ready Player One, where I felt ... | milked ... | | Ready Player One was a deliberately over the top | nostalgia fest ... Ready Player Two was where I felt | played/milked. | thefourthchime wrote: | China is also destroying the movie industry as well. They are too | large of a market not to cater to and have a rigorous set of | requirements for what's acceptable in a film. | | Some things you would expect, like don't mention Taiwan, or being | critical of China. There's some weird stuff too, like no "time | travel" and no "ghosts". | voisin wrote: | > They are too large of a market not to cater to | | Why? Seems the market was plenty big enough prior to their | ascendancy. | theshrike79 wrote: | A movie can make back its budget just by being a hit in | China. | | This is how we get movies like Skyscraper(2018)[0]. $120M | budget. $70M from US/Canada. $300 from "worldwide" and most | of that was from China. Just the Chinese opening weekend | alone was $48M. | | Transformers: Age of Extinction. $210M budget. China alone | provided $300M of profit. | | All you need to do is hire Chinese actors for side | characters, set a bit of your movie in China and not talk | about Taiwan. Easy money =) | | [0] https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5758778/ | pru567 wrote: | I think its interesting that two of the most bankable stars | of their respective times are/were enormous guys: Arnold | Schwarzenegger and the Dwayne the Rock Johnson. | bidirectional wrote: | Obviously films can be produced without aiming to enter the | Chinese market, but the highest budgets will go to the films | which can, and they'll have higher marketing budgets and so | on. | Sparkle-san wrote: | China's middle class was about 3% of its population in 2000. | It's now around 50% of its population. The number of people | there able to afford going to the movies is substantially | higher now. | tines wrote: | Why is this being downvoted? | jimbokun wrote: | Was End Game (with it's time travel plot) not released in | China? Seems like I would have heard about that. | 130e13a wrote: | i wouldn't say outright destroying, but definitely distorting | BrianOnHN wrote: | What's the potential threat in the concept of time-travel? | JohnJamesRambo wrote: | We would go back and help Chang Kai-Shek harder of course. | | I wonder what a world where he won would look like? | BrianOnHN wrote: | I'm sure they're not afraid of it becoming a real | technology. | | So, what's the "danger" in the _concept_ alone? I 'm | assuming they have a "rational" explanation behind the | decision. What is it? | echelon wrote: | https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/general- | news/china-ba... | jfengel wrote: | That is surreal. It's also dated 2011; is this a policy | they're continuing? Did it ever apply to imported movies? | wodenokoto wrote: | It's hard to keep up with. I watched a video essay on | YouTube on why Chinese horro movies are so bad and the | main reason, it argued, was that the rules for what you | can and cannot show changes so quickly that you want to | get your movie out fast in fear of your plot device | becoming banned before release | henriquecm8 wrote: | What if the story takes place in a different universe, | with no relation with our history? | [deleted] | BrianOnHN wrote: | > the fantasy of time travel - which potentially gives | the individual the freedom to reorder reality - conflicts | with politically correct thought | | I think that excerpt from the article answers my | question. | zionic wrote: | They also delete black actors from movie posters. | daenz wrote: | >no time travel | | According to this Quora post, it doesn't appear to be the | case[0] | | 0. https://www.quora.com/Why-are-movies-about-time-travel- | banne... | Hellion wrote: | It's complicated. AFAIK there is no official ban. | | It's not so much that time travel itself is banned, it's that | the Chinese government has a bunch of rules that make time | travel movies impossible to execute. | | For example, the Chinese government wishes to protect the | dignity and honor of historical culture. And that means, any | movie made of those time periods must fundamentally be | serious. | | Also, it's possible that whoever is running the movie review | board personally thinks time travel is "too silly". | mason55 wrote: | > _China is also destroying the movie industry as well._ | | China may be changing the "Summer Blockbuster" segment of the | industry but it's quite the stretch to say they are destroying | the whole thing. Plenty of great movies still come out every | year. | | There's plenty of argument that the Academy Awards aren't | necessarily the best movies but even if you look at the movies | represented this year, there were a lot of good ones and I | don't think any of them were influenced by China. Obviously you | can't prove it unless the filmmakers confirm it, but certainly | there are a lot of movies with themes that would be | unacceptable to Chinese censors. | | Maybe the plot of "Transformers 7" isn't as good as it could | have been without Chinese influence but as long as movies like | "The Power of the Dog" (or "Licorice Pizza" or "Belfast" or | "Flee" if animation is more up your alley or ... take your | pick) are coming out, I'd say the industry is doing ok. ___________________________________________________________________ (page generated 2022-07-05 23:00 UTC)