[HN Gopher] Ultra-flat timepiece, the RM UP-01 Ferrari, is 1.75 ...
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       Ultra-flat timepiece, the RM UP-01 Ferrari, is 1.75 millimetres
       thick watch
        
       Author : taubek
       Score  : 77 points
       Date   : 2022-07-10 16:18 UTC (6 hours ago)
        
 (HTM) web link (www.richardmille.com)
 (TXT) w3m dump (www.richardmille.com)
        
       | jakzurr wrote:
       | 1st thoughts: soooooooo stupid!
       | 
       | 2nd thoughts: really mechanical? - yes; bend? - no, titanium;
       | crystal makes it taller? - no, inset sapphire; cost? - uhhhhh...
       | still want one.
       | 
       | more pics: https://monochrome-watches.com/richard-milles-rm-
       | up-01-ferra...
        
       | ninefathom wrote:
       | Between the minuscule face and the fact that winding A) is overly
       | complex, and B) keeps time for less than two days, this seems
       | like more of an expensive toy than a practical timepiece. As an
       | engineering feat, it is admittedly impressive... but impressive
       | and useful are not synonyms.
        
         | piperswe wrote:
         | In my opinion mechanical timepieces are novelties in the modern
         | era, so I don't think the practicality of a mechanical watch is
         | very important. If you want practicality, a quartz watch will
         | run continuously without intervention far longer than a
         | mechanical one and will keep better time. Better yet, a
         | smartwatch can tell you more than just the time! If you want to
         | make a statement or own a neat piece of engineering though,
         | mechanical watches are the way to go.
         | 
         | Again this is my opinion, but I don't see any reason to be
         | worrying about the practicality of something like this.
        
           | iasay wrote:
           | I think a smart watch is a more impressive piece of
           | engineering!
        
             | layer8 wrote:
             | A much too thick one, unfortunately.
        
               | iasay wrote:
               | I think that's subjective. I have no problems with mine!
        
               | TheOtherHobbes wrote:
               | It would be pretty trivial to flatten a Casio - or
               | equivalent tech - to this degree. The biggest problem
               | would be battery thickness. If you didn't support
               | charging or battery replacement you could fix that with a
               | standard ultra-thin rechargeable battery and solar power.
               | 
               | OLED panels are less than 1mm thick, so the display
               | wouldn't be a problem.
               | 
               | I'd honestly be more interested in that as a product than
               | in a clockwork Veblen toy.
        
               | turdit wrote:
               | thanks for sharing
        
         | SamReidHughes wrote:
         | 45 hours is a longer power reserve than some of the basic ETA
         | movements, the 2892 and 2824, had. It's pretty normal for a
         | mechanical watch.
        
         | DaveExeter wrote:
         | It's a Veblen good. You buy it because it advertises your
         | wealth.
         | 
         | That is overpriced and impractical actually adds to its appeal.
        
         | jasonladuke0311 wrote:
         | People who buy Richard Mille pieces likely don't care about
         | practicality.
        
       | PaulHoule wrote:
       | That's a pretty ugly watch if you ask me.
        
         | moolcool wrote:
         | Well it _is_ a Richard Mille
        
         | sbf501 wrote:
         | Watches that cost more than US$2,000,000 are typically ugly a/f
         | because the point is to draw attention to it. When you're worth
         | hundreds of millions or billions, you need to invent more ways
         | to show it off.
        
         | hulitu wrote:
         | Looks like it is designed by a modern UI engineer: gray on
         | gray, black on gray, difficult to see relevant information and
         | a lot space wasted.
        
           | DwnVoteHoneyPot wrote:
           | The Ferrari logo is very clear.
        
       | ukoki wrote:
       | What is this, a dial for ants?
        
         | geoduck14 wrote:
         | It is a watch for people who are really really good looking,
         | and want to tell time and do other stuff, too
        
         | MarkMarine wrote:
         | They don't care. I have one watch, a 2008 model from a
         | watchmaker that no one cares about, that tells perfect time and
         | has a mechanical alarm. It gets no love and that's fine with
         | me. This quote about watches from a tastemaker blew my mind:
         | 
         | "... the Italian-born Davide Parmegiani. I met Parmegiani, who
         | is in his mid-50s, at his new boutique in Monte Carlo, where he
         | sells both vintage watches and cars.
         | 
         | He arrived 30 minutes late. I asked him what drives the passion
         | for watches, if not their ability to tell time.
         | 
         | "Sometimes I don't even set the time on the watches," he said.
         | "If I want to look at what time is it, I can look at my
         | iPhone." He held up his smartphone: "This is the only exact
         | time we're gonna have," he added."
         | 
         | https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2022/03/inside-the-frenzied...
        
       | kingludite wrote:
       | pondering flatness I had this idea to paint the small hand onto
       | the dial then get rid of the big hand and replace it with a
       | virtual one using a Moire pattern painted onto the glass and the
       | dial.
       | 
       | very crude demo (running in the wrong direction :P)
       | 
       | https://jsfiddle.net/s1cwze3d/
       | 
       | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moir%C3%A9_pattern
       | 
       | (Designing the correct pattern is left as an exercise for the
       | reader)
        
       | Synaesthesia wrote:
       | First time I have read the word "allusive" as well as "grade 5
       | titanium"
        
       | sriram_malhar wrote:
       | Awful looking, terrible typography, form chases away function
       | ....
       | 
       | Hugely impressive piece of machinery though.
        
         | itronitron wrote:
         | Although much better typography than the other watches on that
         | site.
        
         | tyleo wrote:
         | I hope they follow up with an excellent V2. The tech is down,
         | now if they can only take care of those aesthetics.
        
         | caconym_ wrote:
         | The typography really threw me off. Obviously this is
         | subjective, but it gives me a really cheap vibe, like something
         | you'd find in one of those travel gadget stores at the airport.
         | It looks like they just didn't give a shit.
         | 
         | I don't mind the form so much. Obviously it's not a very
         | practical piece, but very expensive limited-run watches rarely
         | are.
        
           | pwillia7 wrote:
           | Is that not just their logo's font?
        
       | ksaj wrote:
       | Watch collectors, especially if they are Ferrari owners, will
       | probably want this. It's clear some people don't like the
       | tininess of the actual watch face, but this is a side effect of
       | having everything laid out so flatly. It is a technical marvel,
       | and surely will have competitors in the future.
       | 
       | The winding and setting mechanism is a really unique solution.
        
       | EB-Barrington wrote:
       | Price: $1,888,000 US dollars.
        
         | leeoniya wrote:
         | one of the few watch brands (the only one?) that makes a
         | ferrari look cheaper than a clearance item at a dollar store.
        
         | formerly_proven wrote:
         | Is there are meaning behind this number (apart from nazism,
         | obviously)? Otherwise it seems kinda odd.
        
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           | chris11 wrote:
           | In China 8 is considered to be a really lucky number,
           | signifying wealth. https://www.mansionglobal.com/articles/it-
           | s-in-the-numbers-l...
        
             | FabHK wrote:
             | Indeed. Note that Swiss Watch exports to Hong Kong alone
             | (7m inhabitants) were more than to the USA (330m
             | inhabitants) in the last decade, until HK's recent demise.
             | Asia is a 3 to 4 times bigger market than North America;
             | Europe is between those.
             | 
             | So, it is no wonder that the number 8 figures prominently.
             | 
             | In 2021, in Swiss watch exports in CHF bn:
             | 
             | to USA, China about 3 each; HK about 2; Japan about 1.5;
             | Italy, Germany, Singapore, UAE, France about 1 each.
             | 
             | http://www.fhs.swiss/scripts/getstat.php?file=histo_regions
             | _...
             | 
             | http://www.fhs.swiss/pdf/regions_210112_a.pdf
        
           | layer8 wrote:
           | 1888 is the year that, when written in Roman numerals, has
           | the most digits (so far). But it's probably just to make it
           | seem more of a bargain than $1,999,000.
        
             | __del__ wrote:
             | we should be able to write MDCCCLXXXVIII as MCXIIM
        
         | throwamon wrote:
         | Apparently that's also how much you have to pay to get a device
         | that won't choke on their website.
        
           | adhesive_wombat wrote:
           | It's impressive that they've actually managed to make the
           | websites for these products as overwrought and unnecessary as
           | the products themselves.
           | 
           | There must be a very happy web design team somewhere in there
           | world that's been told "you don't need to care about any kind
           | of optimisation, our clients will always have the tippest-top
           | computers and phones and so that you get it right we're going
           | to buy one for each of you too, just in case you accidentally
           | do something that makes it work on a pleb-grade device".
        
         | yomkippur wrote:
         | what sort of yearly income do you need to be able to buy this?
         | I assume people in this tier just pay cash and already own a
         | sizable Ferrari collection.
         | 
         | Otherwise with 30% down. current market interest rates, you
         | would be looking at $20,000 / month to lease it.
         | 
         | So you could flex considerably as a double digit millionaire.
         | Its just fascinating how wealthy some people are and how
         | limitless it is.
        
           | layer8 wrote:
           | You may like to read this: https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit
           | /comments/2s9u0s/comment/c...
        
             | yomkippur wrote:
             | insane...so you need at minimum upper 3 digits.
             | 
             | i got anxiety from reading it. it almost seems like at the
             | very top, its lonely and dehumanizing when every whim
             | challenge is met leading to time scarcity.
             | 
             | i think the sweet spot is $270MM. 250MM generating 3~5% a
             | year, 20MM in cash. you can buy everything but wouldnt
             | spend it on this watch (you shouldnt)
             | 
             | which means this watch is for ppl with 800MM minimum.
        
           | dqpb wrote:
           | This is not for people who work for a living.
           | 
           | It's also probably not for people who gained their fortune
           | via their own intelligence.
        
         | W-Stool wrote:
         | Limited run of only 150 units! Sheesh ...
        
           | layer8 wrote:
           | Stacked on top of each other, that's less than a foot.
        
           | coldcode wrote:
           | Pretty cool, but it costs like $100K per mm.
           | 
           | Think of it as art, not a tool.
        
             | layer8 wrote:
             | More like $1M per mm.
        
             | beebeepka wrote:
             | We see Leclerc wearing it as a watch on that very site.
        
       | ThinkBeat wrote:
       | This is seriously impressive engineering. As far as I know a new
       | achievement in watch making.
       | 
       | UX is dreadful.
       | 
       | The one function a watch is expected to have is unreadable at a
       | distance.
        
       | xwdv wrote:
       | Bulgari made a much better looking flat watch IMO but
       | unfortunately it was fatter than this one.
        
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       | chmod775 wrote:
       | Wouldn't wear that even if you paid me and took me out for
       | dinner.
       | 
       | Maybe they should be marketing this watch to rich nerds instead
       | of playboy LARPers - to people who will appreciate it for the
       | technology.
        
         | curiousgal wrote:
         | The only appeal to me is the prospect of me tearing it apart
         | and (trying to) put it back together!
        
       | exabrial wrote:
       | hijacking the scroll wheel is still not cool in 2022
        
         | deergomoo wrote:
         | Arguably the least cool it's ever been considering how many
         | devices have inertial scrolling these days.
        
         | marklubi wrote:
         | I don't think it's that they're hijacking the scroll wheel, but
         | that there are parts of the page that just don't respond to it.
         | Mildly infuriating to say the least.
        
       | staplung wrote:
       | William Gibson wrote a piece for Wired back in the day about his
       | obsession with mechanical watches.[1] He puts it thus:
       | 
       | ``` Mechanical watches are so brilliantly unnecessary.
       | 
       | Any Swatch or Casio keeps better time, and high-end contemporary
       | Swiss watches are priced like small cars. But mechanical watches
       | partake of what my friend John Clute calls the Tamagotchi
       | Gesture. They're pointless in a peculiarly needful way; they're
       | comforting precisely because they require tending.
       | 
       | And vintage mechanical watches are among the very finest fossils
       | of the pre-digital age. Each one is a miniature world unto
       | itself, a tiny functioning mechanism, a congeries of minute and
       | mysterious moving parts. Moving parts! And consequently these
       | watches are, in a sense, alive. They have heartbeats. They seem
       | to respond, Tamagotchi-like, to "love," in the form, usually, of
       | the expensive ministrations of specialist technicians. Like
       | ancient steam-tractors or Vincent motorcycles, they can be
       | painstakingly restored from virtually any stage of ruin. ```
       | 
       | (1): Seems to be pay-walled now but you can find the whole thing
       | in _Distrust that Particular Flavor_
        
         | jhgb wrote:
         | To me they're the timekeeping equivalent of pole vaulting
         | yourself onto the second floor. A normal person would use
         | stairs, but it's impressive and even cheered on by a bunch of
         | onlookers when someone can do it just by jumping on a long
         | stick.
        
         | huhtenberg wrote:
         | > _Any Swatch or Casio keeps better time_
         | 
         | ... and that 's my cue to pimp one of the most practical watch
         | of all time - Casio Oceanus, the 100 series.                 *
         | Analog watch face.       * Quartz, radio auto-sync, solar-
         | powered.       * Sapphire glass, titanium body and bracelet.
         | Waterproof.       * Clean design. Under $500.
         | 
         | https://www.google.com/search?q=OCW-S100-1AJF&tbm=isch
        
           | LeoPanthera wrote:
           | In my opinion, its successor, the S200, has a cleaner design.
        
           | mrwh wrote:
           | Handsome watch!
        
         | polio wrote:
         | They're beautiful and impressive, but I find the amount of
         | money that flows into "high horology" to be an sum with an
         | egregious opportunity cost to society, made even worse by the
         | fact that all that complexity goes towards a movement that is
         | worse at keeping time than a rudimentary quartz. If people want
         | Tamagotchis, they can get a Tamagotchi. I wish people would
         | flex their donations to effective charities instead and find
         | simpler luxuries.
        
           | Sporktacular wrote:
           | For sure, charities would be a much better use of the money
           | involved... but on the other hand couldn't you say the same
           | about art in general?
           | 
           | I think what makes it different is the conspicuousness of
           | these watches when they become a way to advertise wealth and
           | status. But I like that artists/engineers can make a living
           | by putting their time into producing such marvellous things.
           | The world is richer for them.
        
           | what-imright wrote:
           | The solution of giving away your money over buying something
           | is some broken logic. Plenty of corrupt charity officials
           | line their pockets and live it up on donations. The rich
           | don't owe society, exactly the opposite, hence the money. It
           | represents an unpaid debt so you can't turn around and ask
           | for it back.
        
       | jansan wrote:
       | Slightly offtopic: If anyone missed Bartosz Ciechanowski's
       | website explaining how mechanical watsches work, you sold at
       | least look at it once. It is a piece of art.
       | 
       | https://ciechanow.ski/mechanical-watch/
        
         | harywilke wrote:
         | I love that all the diagrams are rotatable in 3d. it's such a
         | great write up of how a mechanical watch works. The Youtube
         | channel linked at the end
         | (https://www.youtube.com/c/WristwatchRevival/videos) is a good
         | companion to see the pieces in action.
        
         | technothrasher wrote:
         | You can learn a lot about how a watch works by getting a few
         | old inexpensive pocket watch movements off eBay and playing
         | with them. They're bigger movements than a wrist watch, and
         | thus easier to work with, but most of the concepts are the
         | same.
         | 
         | I did just this a couple years ago and got hooked on horology,
         | although I actually moved the other direction and now have a
         | big collection of 18th and 19th century clocks.
        
       | The_suffocated wrote:
       | The concept is interesting, but the watch looks ugly and the dial
       | is too small to be useful.
        
         | moolcool wrote:
         | Richard Mille's whole deal is technically interesting but very
         | ugly watches
        
       | samatman wrote:
       | I'm disappointed to see this merger of art and engineering
       | received so poorly here.
       | 
       | This pushes the envelope of the possible, something I consider
       | beautiful. It's roughly as impractical, expensive, and awkward
       | looking, as a human-propelled airplane.
       | 
       | I don't think any of the many commenters here who panned this
       | watch would have anything bad to say about a human-propelled
       | airplane. It's a pity that they can't appreciate this object in
       | that spirit.
        
         | sedatk wrote:
         | If we'd started to replace airplanes with affordable $200
         | flying saucers, and somebody came up with a $1.8M human-
         | propelled airplane as "innovation", I bet it wouldn't have been
         | liked as much.
        
           | samatman wrote:
           | Why compare with flying saucers, why not bikes? It's the bike
           | industry existing which makes enormous gossamer human-powered
           | craft possible, after all.
           | 
           | Most art has little reason to exist, kind of by definition,
           | and is seriously expensive at the high end. This is
           | engineering art, where most expensive wristwatches are just
           | art, specifically jewelry.
           | 
           | I wouldn't expect the latest Hublot limited to end up on the
           | front page of HN, but a 1.75mm mechanical wristwatch?
           | Gratified my intellectual curiousity!
        
             | sedatk wrote:
             | Because that's just a lightweight version of an old
             | technology. No new value is being added here. Had this
             | watch provided, say, some smartwatch features mechanically
             | (such as an analog heart monitor, or an analog altimeter
             | etc) I might have found it interesting despite the
             | technology still being old. This feels like just a flex on
             | contemporary manufacturing capabilities. They just spent
             | more money than everyone else.
        
               | lgvld wrote:
               | Maybe we shouldn't be pushig that hard towards reducing
               | the size of processors/transistors?
        
               | adhesive_wombat wrote:
               | Indeed, it's a bit like finding it hard to get all that
               | hyped up about the latest Intel i9 whatever-K. Sure it's
               | objectively a monstrous amount of processing on a sliver
               | of matter (just like the one before it), but it's "just"
               | throwing more transistors and fab at the same thing as
               | the [whatever-1]-K.
               | 
               | And then this is basically just an "if you know, you
               | know" flex for a rich person. At least the incremental
               | CPU "tick" or "tock" was somewhat useful, even if the -K
               | variant is not especially useful in the general case.
        
         | TheOtherHobbes wrote:
         | It's a flat watch - no doubt mechanically clever, but it also
         | happens to be jarringly ugly.
         | 
         | There's an entire economy dedicated to pandering to the
         | pretensions of the vulgar rich, and it certainly fits in there.
         | 
         | But as a design classic - no.
        
         | nimbius wrote:
         | the light that burns twice as bright burns half as long, or so
         | its said. I'm thrilled to see the envelope pushed but I find
         | seventeen jewel Chinese movements and old soviet designs so
         | much more enriching. they tell a story that isn't just a
         | bourgeois expression of the craft. luch, Vostok, sturmanskie,
         | sugess and shanghai diamond all paint a rich tapestry that
         | bridges history and modern craft, and are refreshingly
         | approachable.
        
           | samatman wrote:
           | If I had 1.8mm to spend on watches I'd have to figure out
           | what to do with the other 1.7 million, I'm happy to
           | appreciate them on their own terms and from a safe distance.
        
       | mrwh wrote:
       | I have a 1960s Omega that's honestly one of my favourite
       | possessions. Nothing fancy, steel, handsome face. It's
       | comfortable to wear, because it's a fraction of the size and
       | weight of a modern status watches; and it keeps good time. So I
       | wear it most days. It's not just an affectation: glancing at a
       | watch when I want to know the time is a better experience than
       | pulling out my phone. And it turned out not to be a gateway into
       | more and more expensive mechanical watches. It's being used for
       | what it was made for 60-odd years ago.
       | 
       | First thoughts on seeing this were: that looks uncomfortable. Oh,
       | but it's so expensive you'd hardly ever want to wear it so...
       | that cancels out? Finally: the sheer amount of concentrated money
       | in the world where that makes sense as a business proposition
       | still astonishes. To be so rich to go past comfort or function
       | and into a realm of pure envy.
        
       | penneyd wrote:
       | These guys are gonna be sad, this comes in at 1.8mm
       | https://www.bulgari.com/en-us/watches/mens/octo-finissimo-wa...
       | This guy comes with a heckin NFT though so there's um that!
        
         | __del__ wrote:
         | the fake region of that qr code bugs me more than _that it has
         | a qr code on it_
        
       | daneel_w wrote:
       | The watch can be seen about 2 minutes into the video, just at the
       | end, after all the cars and other unrelated stuff. Fantastic
       | directing...
        
       | spaetzleesser wrote:
       | This seems the same thinking that made MacBooks ever thinner
       | while they were also losing utility. This is kind of cool
       | engineering but why would you want a watch that has a huge
       | Ferrari logo, some winding thingies but the actual clock part is
       | really small?
        
       | motohagiography wrote:
       | Given the volatility of crypto, a unique watch like this is a
       | pretty good hedging instrument. As an asset, I'd put ~$2m into a
       | watch like this before an NFT, and Richard Mille watches are
       | sufficiently unique that they can be competitive to a similarly
       | priced piece from one of the other makers. I've commented in
       | depth before on the the political economics of ultra luxury items
       | like these watches, and the only question to me is what their
       | liquidity looks like.
       | 
       | It's the same as a Lamborghini. Something you can enjoy, with an
       | acceptable level of depreciation, insurable as collateral on a
       | loan for leverage into other productive assets, with a good and
       | liquid aftermarket. Portability between countries is important as
       | well for other kinds of transactions.
       | 
       | The engineering really is pretty cool, and what an amazing job it
       | would be to design products to become alternative assets.
       | Literally, art. What markets are missing now is assets like these
       | to put rapidly deteriorating cash into, and the timing of the
       | release of this watch is impeccable as people rush to get out of
       | cash and look for alternative assets. Engineering like this also
       | cuts out the curators and gatekeepers who appraise art (paintings
       | were the original NFTs, imo), and sets a very high bar for entry
       | for any imitators. One of the problems of wealth after a certain
       | point is finding ways to appreciate and enjoy it instead of the
       | drag of just managing it all. Something like this, you put a
       | couple million into, get some enjoyment out of it, then when you
       | want out, you get more than inflation adjusted remainder out of
       | it, or take a small loss that isn't as bad as what you lost in
       | another asset bubble popping had you put the money there.
       | 
       | Realistically, if there is something people love, with some
       | engineering and craft you can make a million dollar+ version of
       | it. They are beautiful examples of what they are, and the
       | business of many of these things is the financial engineering
       | around them.
        
       | dylan604 wrote:
       | Didn't realize Johny Ive found his way to Ferrari ;-)
        
       | Ekaros wrote:
       | All this marketing and I don't see the most important pieces of
       | information. How well does it keep time? How accurate it is over
       | a year?
        
       | throwaway5752 wrote:
       | Any historians able to provide color on the social context behind
       | "The Emperor's New Clothes" and their contemporary relevance?
        
       | Beltiras wrote:
       | I've never seen an ad for a timepiece feature cars almost to the
       | exclusion of the watch.
        
         | whartung wrote:
         | I guess you've never seen a Breitling ad.
         | 
         | As far as I can tell, they sell flying stunt teams.
        
         | ThePadawan wrote:
         | I believe a few of the James Bond movies meet those criteria
         | /j.
        
       | LightG wrote:
       | I don't know, as a layperson I love everything about this except
       | it's final appearance.
        
       | jgerrish wrote:
       | Smooth folding phones, foxy ultraflat watches, I honestly don't
       | know what radiant beauty is next.
       | 
       | The future isn't limping along in the fog, is it?
       | 
       | My blind eyes already paid the price for that video, nobody else
       | has to.
       | 
       | So, anyways, what's the topic today? Italian design? Arduino and
       | Wiring? Arduino is an inspiring beginner electronics kit, and one
       | of the first. Innovative design.
       | 
       | Maybe open the user immediately into a tutorial project when they
       | open the IDE? It's that Apple unboxing experience, right? You
       | want to reduce the friction, reduce the time between when they
       | open it, and their eyes light up at the blinking lights.
       | 
       | Arduino online stores with code-signed projects? The newer
       | Arduinos have WiFi, but I don't know how the browsing experience
       | is in the IDE lately.
       | 
       | I'm stuck in the CLI, trying to enjoy it again, hoping I don't
       | cause too much pain to users. Which is a messed up mindset in
       | some ways.
        
         | pppq wrote:
         | > _I honestly don 't know what radiant beauty is next._
         | 
         | > _The future isn 't limping along in the fog, is it?_
         | 
         | > _My blind eyes already paid the price for that video, nobody
         | else has to._
         | 
         | I enjoyed these words. Felt somewhat like lyrics to a Cardiacs
         | song. Thank you.
        
       | rowanG077 wrote:
       | One of the best looking watches I have ever seen. Truly a
       | mechanical pearl. Also looks quite unique in contrast to
       | basically every other watch looking almost the same.
        
         | 2muchcoffeeman wrote:
         | Can you say why you think the design is good?
         | 
         | That logo is unnecessary and takes up more room than the watch
         | face. I don't think this is even for telling the time. I can't
         | imagine this distinctive look is merely to signal that you have
         | 1.8m on your wrist.
         | 
         | This to me is like Louis Vuitton. I always thought plastering
         | their logo everywhere was ugly.
        
         | HarHarVeryFunny wrote:
         | Mechanical pearl: yes
         | 
         | Unique look: yes
         | 
         | Best looking watch: hell, no. it looks like utter crap. like a
         | $2 scratch-off lotto ticket
        
           | rowanG077 wrote:
           | I disagree. But I guess I find most things ugly that are
           | generally well received. I find almost all cars ugly, almost
           | all watches, almost all laptops etc.
        
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