[HN Gopher] Rowan Atkinson: Visual Comedy (1992) [video]
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       Rowan Atkinson: Visual Comedy (1992) [video]
        
       Author : swarmy
       Score  : 81 points
       Date   : 2022-07-17 21:18 UTC (1 hours ago)
        
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       | boberoni wrote:
       | Visual comedy transcends language barriers. I have fond memories
       | of enjoying hours of Mr. Bean with my Chinese relatives who
       | didn't speak any English, but could still enjoy the skits because
       | there was almost no dialogue. The story was conveyed physically.
        
         | silisili wrote:
         | The is one thing I really appreciate about Just For Laughs
         | Gags. No words or languages to understand, just silly harmless
         | situations and pranks. AFAICT it's mostly done somewhere in
         | French Canada, but there's a few from Singapore I believe.
         | 
         | Here's an example I remember that made me laugh, a good example
         | - it's all about facial expressions and reactions rather than
         | words -
         | 
         | https://youtu.be/2Zs6mi5bvic
        
           | sedatk wrote:
           | Benny Hill, similarly.
        
             | ternaryoperator wrote:
             | Not so sure about Benny Hill. As an American, I couldn't
             | see what the Brits found so funny about him. The keystone
             | cop sequences of naked women chasing him, etc. and the
             | silly situations he concocted (which required spoken
             | language). Whereas Mr. Bean was truly universal situations
             | and effectively no spoken words.
        
         | agumonkey wrote:
         | It transcends but some is lost in translation. There are
         | youtube videos of people showing Mr Bean to tribs in middle
         | east and they struggle to grasp some ideas due to different
         | social norms.
        
       | ChrisMarshallNY wrote:
       | Love him (I suspect this won't last long on the HN front page,
       | alas).
       | 
       | He does both physical and verbal. If you ever watch Mr. Bean,
       | it's entirely physical, and, in Blackadder, he almost never shuts
       | up (but there's still plenty of physical humor).
        
         | gonzus wrote:
         | He is the best ever, IMHO, at throwing witty, smart, clever
         | insults that completely destroy the target.
        
         | laumars wrote:
         | He's one of the all time best comics for verbal delivery in my
         | opinion. He's second to none in the way he accentuates
         | syllables to make even mundane words have a striking impact.
        
           | maest wrote:
           | I find his Smut routine hilarious
           | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyoyLl0_a2M
           | 
           | I really like the idea that he's just sitting on stage saying
           | rude words - it's quit a silly concept, but elevated by the
           | execution.
        
           | dazdaz wrote:
           | Bob
        
             | unfunco wrote:
             | Rowan Atkinson demonstrating how funny "Bob" can be:
             | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOdfNwD9cEA
        
       | timothya wrote:
       | See also Rowan Atkinson's standup routine from the early 90s:
       | https://youtu.be/uw8dW9Hyno0
        
       | sph wrote:
       | Haven't watched the video but I wanted to say I am a huge fan of
       | him. His work outside of Mr. Bean and Blackadder (haven't seen it
       | yet!) is hilariously funny to me, and him along with Monty Python
       | were instrumental in my becoming very fond of the English humour
       | and culture and eventually deciding to move here.
       | 
       | I got all of this sketches memorised. There's some kind of deep
       | social intelligence behind his comedy, that's apparent when he's
       | not in character, i.e. during an interview, where it's impossible
       | not to be charmed by his eloquence and demeanour.
       | 
       | I recommend: the "beatings" and the Shakespearean actor sketches.
        
         | smcl wrote:
         | Definitely check out Blackadder but I would _highly_ recommend
         | skipping the first series. They tried something, it _really_
         | didn't work and then they switched it up for the second series
         | and absolutely nailed it.
        
         | ChrisMarshallNY wrote:
         | _> Blackadder (haven 't seen it yet!)_
         | 
         | You'll see a few familiar faces. Stephen Fry, Miranda
         | Richardson, and Hugh Laurie were regulars.
        
       | 8bitsrule wrote:
       | Atkinson's very good. Laurel and Hardy, however, still rule.
        
       | ransom1538 wrote:
       | Sorry maybe I am the only one here, but British "comedy" is truly
       | terrible. Sticking a cracker in your nose, having a comedian not
       | speak, etc. The BBC is a horrible network that I wish would just
       | die. The golf network or watching paint dry is more entertaining.
       | Let's have Germans make cars and the British stay away from
       | cameras.
        
         | NikolaNovak wrote:
         | I'm not gonna say you're the only one,but all of my nerdy
         | friends and myself would vehemently disagree :-). Let British
         | keep making humour, from Mitchell and Webb to fry and Laurie to
         | Monty Python to British Office to Darling Buds of May to As
         | Time Goes By, and long live bbc the original home Top Gear :-)
        
         | spaceman_2020 wrote:
         | You are the only one here.
        
         | zichy wrote:
         | Trying to be edgy is truly terrible as well.
        
         | cyberferret wrote:
         | Someone once told me - "British comedy is about making fun of
         | yourself, whereas American comedy is about making fun of other
         | people", and I have found it to be true in a lot of shows I've
         | witnessed. Probably why I personally tend to prefer British
         | comedies over American ones. I have a thing against people
         | having a laugh at the expense of others.
        
           | missedthecue wrote:
           | 98% of the jokes in Blackadder are making fun of other
           | people. I really don't find that axiom to be true
        
             | Joeboy wrote:
             | I don't either. Eg. Curb Your Enthusiasm and The Show About
             | the Show are both American, and are both basically
             | demolition jobs on their stars and writers. I actually feel
             | a bit embarrassed about Americans seeing these self-serving
             | British explanations about why we're better than them.
        
         | orf wrote:
         | Everyone's entitled to their opinions, but that doesn't make
         | them correct ;)
         | 
         | What about it don't you like, specifically? And what comedy do
         | you prefer?
        
           | ransom1538 wrote:
           | Just take "Eddie Murphy Raw 1987" - which is near the same
           | time frame. Just compare the talent.
        
             | smcl wrote:
             | Comparing stand-up to a sitcom is a little bit of an
             | apples/oranges comparison. There's plenty of talented
             | standup comics from Britain, though. I'm normally not a
             | huge fan of standup generally but I do really like Stewart
             | Lee for example
        
             | orf wrote:
             | I'm not a fan of mr bean. I don't get it, it vaguely seems
             | like laughing at someone with learning disabilities to me.
             | But there's definitely skill and talent in creating the
             | character without words.
             | 
             | It's also clever - the lack of language makes it universal.
             | Most of the people I've met who profess their love for the
             | character are not native English speakers.
             | 
             | There's a culture-spanning appeal there, and fame, that
             | Eddie Murphy (with all his undeniable standup skill and
             | wit) will never, ever achieve.
             | 
             | To say crafting that lacks talent does Rowan Atkinson a big
             | disservice.
        
             | laumars wrote:
             | > Just take "Eddie Murphy Raw is a 1987" - which is near
             | the same time frame. Just compare the talent. Mr Bean
             | quietly sticks crackers in his nose - Eddie Murphy on the
             | other hand ...
             | 
             | You do realise that the comedy scene in Britain is hugely
             | varied? So you don't like Mr Bean. That's fine. But there's
             | plenty of comics at the other extreme end of the spectrum
             | here too. And a plethora of stuff in between too.
        
         | golergka wrote:
         | This makes as much sense as saying that British can't make rock
         | music.
        
           | ransom1538 wrote:
           | It's ok for a culture to suck at something. British bands are
           | amazing. Italian food is amazing. German cars are amazing.
           | American comedy is amazing. British comedy and French cars
           | are terrible. That is ok.
        
             | cgrealy wrote:
             | Some American comedy (Parks and Rec, Brooklyn 99, Cheers,
             | Community, etc) is amazing. Most of it is crap (2 1/2 Men,
             | Big Bang, 90% of SNL, 100% of "middle aged dude with a
             | family and a wife that's way too good looking" sitcoms).
             | 
             | Some British comedy (Fawlty Towers, Black Books, Fleabag)
             | is amazing. Most of it is crap (Mr Bean, Keeping Up
             | Appearances, One Foot in the grave).
             | 
             | There are some terrible British bands, and some great
             | French cars.
             | 
             | Generalising about culture is pointless.
        
             | Bayart wrote:
             | French cars are fine (and German cars aren't what they used
             | to be, I wouldn't buy a recent BMW) !
        
             | tuyiown wrote:
             | No it's not ok. You really should throw all those
             | preconception out of the window, it helps you for nothing
             | except missing interesting things in your life
        
         | sph wrote:
         | You must be a fan of American comedy then.
         | 
         | Stephen Fry explains the difference here:
         | https://youtu.be/8k2AbqTBxao
         | 
         | Actually very insightful, and explains why I have never been
         | fond of the cool guy that gets all the girls US comedy loves to
         | represent.
        
         | etataetaet wrote:
         | I haven't watched Mr. Bean but Yes Minister is a British show
         | and had me laughing all the time! Much different than any
         | American comedy I've ever seen but quite interesting and a
         | really fun watch.
        
           | pessimizer wrote:
           | Try The New Statesman for a hilarious sitcom that sits right
           | between Mr. Bean and Yes, Minister.
        
           | jfk13 wrote:
           | But we like to claim that _Yes, Minister_ isn 't a comedy at
           | all, it's a documentary. ;-)
        
           | ChrisMarshallNY wrote:
           | My fave _Yes, Prime Minister_ snippet:
           | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0ZZJXw4MTA
        
             | Nition wrote:
             | Another good one:
             | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o861Ka9TtT4
        
         | camtarn wrote:
         | So don't watch it.
         | 
         | I'm not a big fan of comedy in general, but I am an adult human
         | who is capable of hitting the channel change button if it comes
         | on, or leaving a conversation about it.
        
           | ransom1538 wrote:
           | I don't. Unless I am visiting someone at a nursing home. BBC
           | programing seems to be popular there.
        
           | rubicon33 wrote:
           | If it's okay for someone to express, and comment on how they
           | enjoy something... Why is it not okay for someone to do the
           | same when they don't enjoy it?
           | 
           | Truly have never understood this knee jerk reaction people
           | have to criticism. It's a healthy part of civil discourse.
           | I'm not only interested in seeing everyone's praise.
        
             | camtarn wrote:
             | > It's a healthy part of civil discourse
             | 
             | 'I wish this thing that other people enjoy would die, even
             | though it doesn't impact my life at all' is not a healthy
             | part of civil discourse.
             | 
             | [edit] The thing is that I actually agree with the parent:
             | I can't _stand_ Mr Bean - it makes me physically cringe.
             | But I recognise that other people are fans, so I 'm happy
             | to just shut up and let them have their fun.
        
               | Joeboy wrote:
               | Right, I feel quite defensive of British comedy in
               | general but there's no denying we produce a lot of
               | godawful shite. I've never watched much Mr Bean but I've
               | always mentally put it in the same category as Mrs
               | Brown's Boys or The Benny Hill Show.
        
               | smcl wrote:
               | I'm in the same boat. There's some truly top quality
               | stuff that I'll defend to the death, and some utter
               | rubbish. The US has the same though - they've got
               | excellent stuff like Eddie Murphy and Arrested
               | Development, and awful unfunny shit like Greg Gutfeld and
               | Big Bang Theory
        
               | rubicon33 wrote:
               | I agree his choice of words was not helpful, so if that's
               | the sticking point then we agree.
               | 
               | I interpreted your post though to be a general sentiment
               | that we shouldn't even voice negative opinions, even if
               | they are done so politely. I certainly wouldn't agree
               | with that perspective. As someone who is rather neutral
               | to British humor, I enjoy seeing both positive and
               | negative conversation around the subject.
        
           | hgazx wrote:
           | The bbc costs everybody money. Asking for it to disappear is
           | reasonable.
        
             | camtarn wrote:
             | The BBC does a lot of things that aren't just comedy. If
             | you think that everything the BBC does is useless, or that
             | it should be paid for with a better model, or that it
             | should spend less money on comedy, then that is absolutely
             | a fair criticism. Asking for it to disappear just because
             | you don't like one particular brand of comedy is not.
        
             | timthorn wrote:
             | But they didn't make Mr Bean, which came from ITV
        
       | O__________O wrote:
       | Reminds me of the video series called Pingu, which uses no
       | natural language, though it does use a fictional language based
       | on honks and context; basically it's for kids in regardless of
       | the language they speak.
       | 
       | https://m.youtube.com/user/pingu/videos?view=0&sort=p&flow=l...
        
         | cyberferret wrote:
         | Pingu was a favourite to watch with the kids when they were
         | younger - so much going on with no words. Also loved "The
         | Flying Adrenallini Brothers" which was an animation with a made
         | up language but so many visual gag laughs.
        
       | cyberferret wrote:
       | I am a long time fan of Rowan Atkinson - though I must say, not
       | of his 'visual comedy' characters like Mr. Bean or Man vs Bee
       | etc. I lean more towards his 'Blackadder' characters
       | (specifically Blackadder 2, 3 and 4. Series 1 was more a 'visual
       | comedy' lead character than the latter, which relied more on a
       | dour character with a sharp verbal wit).
       | 
       | Blackadder 4 in particular added in a darkness to the humour that
       | was really compelling - that last scene in the last episode (when
       | they charge out of the trenches into no mans land) was absolutely
       | haunting and moving. As were the final lines given by the
       | secondary characters (especially Capt. Darling)
       | 
       | EDIT: For those who want to see what I am talking about, here is
       | the final scene (4 minute footage), though I'd highly recommend
       | watching the whole series to really understand the interplay
       | between the characters (especially the pathos of Cpt. Darling vs
       | Cpt. Blackadder) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgyB6lwE8E0
        
         | mrwh wrote:
         | I still remember watching the final episode at school, in the
         | early 90s, as part of a history lesson on the First World War.
         | The way it turns from a comedy into something that couldn't be
         | more serious! - except, that seriousness was always there. The
         | tone doesn't so much change as reveal itself. Unforgettable.
        
           | cyberferret wrote:
           | You are so right about how the seriousness was always there
           | and revealed itself at the end. I too was fairly young when I
           | first watched it, and I think it really framed my propensity
           | for adding humour to otherwise serious situations as a coping
           | mechanism.
        
         | highwaylights wrote:
         | I find Blackadder to be one of the greatest achievements in the
         | history of television.
         | 
         | I'm still moved by just how wonderfully subversive it is. There
         | was no need for that show to have anything close to the quality
         | of writing it had over it's run, especially when you watch the
         | first couple of episodes. It could _easily_ have run for years
         | as a simple, meandering medieval sitcom that went nowhere. I'm
         | so glad it ultimately went to so many places, across so many
         | time periods, without it being an excuse for reusing the same
         | old stories.
        
       | olivermarks wrote:
       | IMO the king of visual comedy is Jacques Tati
       | 
       | I like some of Atkinson's work a lot but interesting to see where
       | he built on his key influencer and particularly the Monsieur
       | Hulot character.
        
         | tuyiown wrote:
         | Tati is great because he wrapped beautiful poetry into visual
         | comedy.
         | 
         | Hulot is pure innocence, to make him exist solely for the
         | visual sketches and actually unnecessary as demonstrated in
         | playtime.
         | 
         | Tati really was there for the bliss he brought to audience,
         | comedy was merely a way to achieve that.
         | 
         | The social commentary is also pretty strong, but not forced,
         | only merely there for the ones the wishes to see it.
         | 
         | Atkinson touched this times to times, though.
        
       | omega3 wrote:
       | Benjamin P Hill memorial library is a reference to Benny Hill I
       | assume.
        
         | thrill wrote:
         | well spotted!
        
       | moviewise wrote:
       | Here is another article on visual and other comedy: What Is
       | Funny? The Rules Of (Punching Up) Comedy According To The Movies
       | https://moviewise.substack.com/p/what-is-funny
        
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