[HN Gopher] Flipper Zero - Portable Multi-Tool Device for Geeks
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Flipper Zero - Portable Multi-Tool Device for Geeks
Author : clouddrover
Score : 551 points
Date : 2022-07-20 14:13 UTC (8 hours ago)
(HTM) web link (flipperzero.one)
(TXT) w3m dump (flipperzero.one)
| ajsnigrutin wrote:
| PSA: the main benefit of this s the ease of use, due to a lcd
| display, buttons and software support.
|
| If you're familiar with arduino/esp* programming, you can get the
| components (eg. esp32, cc1101, nfc reader, and infrared
| transciever) for a lot cheaper on aliexpress or your local
| reseller, and all of those things are in stock.
|
| (or in other words, if you're one of those people who buy stuff
| like this, play with it for 2 minutes and then put it in a
| drawer, and now you're in the middle of thinking about how you
| could open your neighbours garage to mess with them... well, you
| can do it chaper)
| Aspos wrote:
| Certainly you can spend time reading datashets, ordering
| components on aliexpress, soldering them together, going back
| to square 1 every time you burn something, etc. Alternatively,
| you can pay a tad more and get everything in a single device
| with a nice interface.
|
| This device lowers the entry barrier into hardware for software
| people.
| vineyardmike wrote:
| AND you can support small enterprises of people who did take
| the time to make something work well for you to hack around
| with.
|
| We need MORE flipper zero type projects!
| soperj wrote:
| the only way you get more flipper zero type projects is if
| some subset of people actually do the ordering from Ali
| Express...
| bobajeff wrote:
| This just make me want to make my own little Arduino device. I
| bet it would be more fun than buying a thing someone else made
| that I don't have a real use for.
| notacoward wrote:
| Today's XKCD seems like it was written as a direct response to
| that kind of comment.
|
| https://xkcd.com/2648/
|
| "It's hard to believe, but lots of kids today ONLY know how to
| buy prepackaged molecules."
| babypuncher wrote:
| "Usability" of software/hardware is often the biggest barrier
| for people looking to learn these kinds of skills. I applaud
| their effort, I would love to see more development and hacking
| tools take this approach.
| ValdikSS wrote:
| + If it wasn't OllyDBG, I would never have understood how a
| computer works.
| A_No_Name_Mouse wrote:
| Just got mine a few days ago (EU based). Well built, works as
| promised. But I find that it mostly works for simple things like
| controlling lights, tv etc. Most interesting targets use proper
| encryption (mifare classic for example) so I had no luck
| accessing my company badge. Mifare Desire data cannot be read
| properly at the moment it seems, but I'm sure that will be fixed.
| Fun little tool, will probably end up in a drawer soon.
| _joel wrote:
| I've been reading my bank cards with the 'unleashed' firmware,
| not tried a replay yet and it lists Mifare DESFire in the
| special read actions (not tried, not hw to test)
| sm4rk0 wrote:
| You can do that with an NFC-equipped Android phone and this
| app: https://github.com/johnzweng/bankomatinfos
|
| It's also available on F-Droid:
| https://f-droid.org/en/packages/at.zweng.bankomatinfos2/
| wnevets wrote:
| I have a passing interest in wireless hacking but I have no idea
| if I have the skillset to make any use of it. How useful is this
| for someone with zero pen testing and/or wireless experience?
|
| I'm curious to know what it would take to hack my garage door or
| key fob for my car
| sitzkrieg wrote:
| i have developed firmware for a few ism band products and
| basically had to create a few scrappy one off tools for testing
| and debugging. something like this ready to go is totally
| killer to have from a rf software standpoint too. but yea, rf
| is everywhere. key fobs. in your tires for tpms, garage doors,
| crappy bluetooth products whatever. i could see this being
| useful in many cases
| peddling-brink wrote:
| Out of the box it supports _limited_ raw rf capture and replay.
| Your garage door (probably) and your car key fob use rolling
| codes which change each time the button is pressed. This is not
| supported, and likely won't be in the official firmware. I've
| used mine to make copies of all rf and ir remotes in my home.
| Fans, tv, bidet, AC, etc.
| mystickphoenix wrote:
| FWIW I've used mine to duplicate both of our car key fobs
| (middle 2000's Mazda and middle-2010's Jeep) so it'll
| probably be very dependent on make/model/age as to whether it
| uses rolling codes.
| Aspos wrote:
| TIL some bidets can be controlled remotely. I feel like an
| ape.
| msoucy wrote:
| I'm more concerned about why you would need a remote for
| something that depends on you being there...
| orthoxerox wrote:
| Not necessarily _you_ being there.
| poglet wrote:
| There was a toilet in Japan I couldn't for the life of me
| work out how to flush, I spent ages in this bathroom
| checking for buttons here and there. Only after I had
| given up and walked away from the toiled did it flush.
| jpollock wrote:
| It allows a control to be wall mounted without having to
| run a wire from there to the bidet...
| packetslave wrote:
| Story time! Google is (was) famous for having Toto Washlet
| bidet seats in its restrooms, which have wireless control
| panels attached to the stalls.
|
| New building opens up, vendor screws up and the control
| panel in stall #1 is programmed to control the Washlet in
| stall #2. Cue the predictable (and hilarious) email thread
| on #<building>-misc, along with a whole lot of memes.
| DonHopkins wrote:
| Pootooth.
| goatcode wrote:
| If it's ape-like to not be able to detach from your own ass
| and walk around, I guess I'm in that group too.
| syntaxing wrote:
| Would this allow me to reverse engineer Bluetooth packets? I've
| been wanting to for some stuff I want to tie into home assistant.
| cschmittiey wrote:
| I bought one hoping the same thing - I got it a couole days ago
| and it seems like that's not implemented (or maybe possible?
| Not sure).
| syntaxing wrote:
| Hmm that's a shame, I would definitely jump on board if it
| was possible to do so.
| _kbh_ wrote:
| You may be able to do this with the Ubertooth One but I don't
| think it supports all Bluetooth versions so double check first
|
| https://greatscottgadgets.com/ubertoothone/
| stjohnswarts wrote:
| probably not. Bluetooth is encrypted so unless you have NSA
| level resources or the password/secrets involved you'll be out
| of luck.
| bahmboo wrote:
| Use an Android phone with Bluetooth snoop logging turned on and
| then use wireshark to look at the BLE packets.
| mrbuttons454 wrote:
| Anyone else having issues ordering? Apple Pay fails, and manual
| checkout says it can't be shipped to my address. It's a normal US
| residential address.
|
| Edit: According to their forums, "There are no US region (R02)
| flippers in stock at the moment."
|
| https://forum.flipperzero.one/t/unable-to-place-order/4251/4
| 0xCMP wrote:
| I did a pre-order for 2 successfully about 2 weeks ago.
| zabi_rauf wrote:
| Got the same issue
| SulphurSmell wrote:
| Canada,ditto.
| brianlweiner wrote:
| URL is blocked by my company VPN as being in the Russian
| federation
| sschueller wrote:
| I'm still waiting for my Kickstarter version (suposideley by
| July 26th) and as one of the first few backers I would hope I
| receive mine before others can just go buy one...
|
| Yes I live in Switzerland but it's not at the edge or the
| world. Most have received theirs already but Swiss people had
| to wait a while...
| grapescheesee wrote:
| I received mine a several weeks ago. They have been doing
| great work with logistics and covid setbacks.
|
| Hope you get it soon.
| atemerev wrote:
| From Switzerland, too. I have seen their shipping map --
| apparently, they haven't started shipping to Switzerland yet,
| as we are not in the EU :(
| sschueller wrote:
| I got the shipping notification from FedEx today coming
| from Hong Kong. I just hope Swiss customs won't be a pain.
| theshrike79 wrote:
| Yep, still waiting for mine too. Got the delivery code a good
| three weeks ago, no movement after that.
|
| I've waited for 2.5 years, so what's a few weeks more =)
| turtleman1338 wrote:
| You can already but it at lab401 since weeks, they have them
| in EU warehouse.
| svnt wrote:
| > suposideley
|
| I was confused by this until I saw you were Swiss. Then I
| realized it was just a bit of involuntary yodeling.
| lokedhs wrote:
| Still waiting for mine as well. I'm in Singapore and it's
| apparently the last region to be served. I have yet to get a
| shipping notification. I hope to get it soon though.
| nibbleshifter wrote:
| Also in Europe area, still waiting. I think its with the
| notoriously slow last mile carrier that never updates
| tracking, so maybe next week or two...
| turtleman1338 wrote:
| Same here, I have my tracking number for 3 weeks but no
| activity so far
| Simon_O_Rourke wrote:
| Ahhh, good to know, friends of mine been waiting for them
| despite being a local courier tracking number
| geoffeg wrote:
| I just tried to order the Wifi devboard and got a similar
| response (I live in the US). I ordered the actual Flipper Zero
| a few weeks ago but forgot to order the accessories. I hope I
| can still get them at some point.
| site-packages1 wrote:
| Currently they don't list USA as a place with availability.
|
| From the shop page:
|
| Shipping in August 2022. Currently available only for: Andorra,
| Austria, Belarus, Belgium, Bosnia & Herzegovina, Bulgaria,
| Croatia, Cyprus, Czechia, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France,
| French Polynesia, Germany, Greece, Vatican City, Hungary,
| Iceland, Ireland, Italy, Kazakhstan, Latvia, Liechtenstein,
| Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, Moldova, Netherlands, North
| Macedonia, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Serbia, Slovakia,
| Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, Turkey, United Kingdom
| charles_f wrote:
| I love how movies show hacking devices as super serious
| futuristic goggles the open 6 different terminals that patch you
| through sockets on satellites, but the best thing in real life is
| a dolphin tamagotchi.
| OnionBlender wrote:
| How do you write software for it? Are there apps you can write or
| do you have to modify the firmware?
| happimess wrote:
| The firmware is open source, and the manufacturer provides a
| really smooth desktop app for managing different versions.
| datavirtue wrote:
| Never seen such spam on HN. Thought we had that whipped.
| tremarley wrote:
| Popular security researchers have claimed that the Flipper Zero
| website is a honeypot site.
| evilbob93 wrote:
| When I tried to go to the link on this post today, my browser
| gave me a "NET::ERR_CERT_AUTHORITY_INVALID" warning.
|
| I have used it successfully in the past to place and receive
| three different orders of flippers and accessories.
| mrHedgehog wrote:
| Do you have any proof for that? That's a big claim to make
| without any proof.
| jzig wrote:
| Well they did a really good job then, because the physical
| product in my hands is well made and functional.
| SkyMarshal wrote:
| How do you have a physical product when they're only taking
| pre-orders?
| judge2020 wrote:
| I was able to get a US shipment of it to me about a month
| ago (not via KS), the store has had small batches of
| restocks available every once in a while.
| _joel wrote:
| I also have one, arrived this week. Backed it ages ago.
| wombat-man wrote:
| I have one too. I think they are taking preorders and
| engaging their contract manufacturers when it makes sense.
| Took at least a month to actually get to me.
| jzig wrote:
| They did a kickstarter two years ago just before the
| microchip shortage. They posted frequent blog updates about
| their process on how to continue manufacturing while
| adapting to the shortage and swapping out components when
| available. Shipping to all countries just started a couple
| months ago.
| ixtli wrote:
| https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/flipper-
| devices/flipper...
|
| perhaps a different reward tier for the kickstarter? it was
| a massive success. if you check the comment / karma history
| for people saying they have them they're not fake accounts.
| evilbob93 wrote:
| I was on the 2 year kickstarter wait. Got my order in mid
| -May (USA).
|
| Later on, they had some sporadic availability, got my
| second one ordered and it has arrived in the last week or
| two.
|
| So far it's mostly a clunky universal remote but I've
| started relearning C so that I can write firmware
| customizations.
| develatio wrote:
| But the website clearly says that shipping will start in
| August. How did you get yours?
| sithadmin wrote:
| I got 2x via the original Kickstarter campaign as an early
| backer. Have had them in-hand since...March 2022?
| jzig wrote:
| Like ixtli said, I am an early kickstarter backer from two
| years. They got crushed from the microchip shortage and
| fulfilled all backers before continuing on to preorders.
| yakshaving_jgt wrote:
| Mine arrived earlier today. I was one of the backers of
| their Kickstarter campaign, which I think ran two years
| ago. They've shipped thousands of these already.
| ixtli wrote:
| They ran a very very successful kickstarter. I think people
| who have them paid into a different reward tier and got
| stuff early.
| turtleman1338 wrote:
| No actually this depends on your location. I was an early
| baker and I am still waiting for my device in the EU,
| while they already shipped it to ppl who pre-orderd after
| the kickstarter was finished.
|
| You can also buy it in EU from an official reseller, with
| same day shipping depending on your location:
| https://lab401.com/products/flipper-zero
|
| I dont know what happend with the shipping management, I
| hope I will receive my device soon.
| adenozine wrote:
| I haven't seen any. Care to link some?
| deerIRL wrote:
| Do you have any source for this? A cursory search brings up
| nothing for me.
| nibbleshifter wrote:
| Citation needed
| syntaxing wrote:
| Honeypot for what though?
| Inhibit wrote:
| Stuffed bears. Mainly.
|
| I'd also like a citation.
| kstrauser wrote:
| Someone forgot to tell our security software.
| theshrike79 wrote:
| > Popular security researchers
|
| Can you point out even one?
| SkyMarshal wrote:
| Need links or citations besides just a vague claim of "popular
| security researchers".
| wombat-man wrote:
| I've seen someone claim this on twitter too.
|
| Who? And what are they claiming. It does seem like flipper zero
| enables mischief but a honeypot?
| edm0nd wrote:
| What exact 'popular security researchers'? Press X for doubt.
|
| It's open source and it was started on Kickstarter before even
| having a website.
| stjohnswarts wrote:
| Well don't use your credit card. What else are they gonna get?
| There is nothing illegal about a wifi dev device and they
| aren't hiding anything. You can order it anywhere if you're
| willing to pay
| moondev wrote:
| Is it fair to say this would allow you to clone apartment fobs,
| like the service this site provides https://clonemykey.com/
| felixnm wrote:
| Can anyone provide examples on how to use this? The FAQ and Blog
| have a ton of info on what it is and how to get it, but I don't
| see anything on why.
| captn3m0 wrote:
| I saw this 24 minute exhaustive review before ordering one last
| week: https://youtu.be/1qp78fiDD5M
| fareesh wrote:
| yikes that guy has sub dermal implants - is this common in
| your country?
| capableweb wrote:
| Why "yikes"? I don't think that's common anywhere, but the
| intersection between "hardware hackers who uses Flipper
| Zero" and "people with subdermal implants" is probably
| bigger than the intersection of "people not being hardware
| hackers" and "people with subdermal implants"
| micromacrofoot wrote:
| It's not common in any country, it's a fringe biohacker
| kind of thing.
|
| There's a small group in the US that does this kind of
| thing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grindhouse_Wetware
| dylan604 wrote:
| the lighting on this gives an ominous/mysterious feel to the
| video. like being under a blanket with a flashlight so nobody
| can see what you're doing.
| stjohnswarts wrote:
| adds to the hacker vibe "am I supposed to be watching
| this?"
| kronk wrote:
| This was streamed a little bit ago:
| https://youtu.be/dvFXWGomZzA Unfortunately, I don't speak
| Russian. :(
| Rebelgecko wrote:
| I use mine as a remote for a lot of things:
|
| My front gate, my parents front gate, and any other front gate
| (check your local laws before doing this).
|
| Controlling a lamp I have (works with any device I've tried
| that uses 433mhz)
|
| Backup remote for my TV (the Flipper infrared UI is kinda
| clunky but it works)
|
| Backing copies of NFC cards
|
| And most importantly, you can use it to turn the pages during a
| PowerPoint presentation
| backtoyoujim wrote:
| Would it be hard to get my neighbor's garage door to respond
| ?
| Fnoord wrote:
| Probably not, but it depends on the garage door. I used to
| be able to open my neighbor's garage door with the remote
| for my own garage door. There's also the opensesame attack
| (replay attack, search for it). You can perform such with a
| YTS-0 (Yard Stick One). I still ordered a Flipper Zero. Its
| cute as hell, probably has a neat community, and its more
| portable than my PortaPack + HackRF or Proxmark +
| Blueshark.
| kQq9oHeAz6wLLS wrote:
| > And most importantly, you can use it to turn the pages
| during a PowerPoint presentation
|
| Ah, so it's a business expense!
| stjohnswarts wrote:
| How do you get the details of the remotes you're replacing
| with it? Scanning through frequencies? Don't they have
| "secrets" for the actual ACK that lets your in and garage
| doors rotate through codes do they not? Just curious.
| mschuster91 wrote:
| > Don't they have "secrets" for the actual ACK that lets
| your in and garage doors rotate through codes do they not?
|
| Remote door controls are painfully dumb and relied on the
| absence of affordable software-defined receivers and
| especially transmitters. With most of them you can set the
| code via binary DIP switches at the back and that's it. No
| replay protection, no nothing, if you're lucky the receiver
| has a brute-force detection.
| Rebelgecko wrote:
| There's a few tools for figuring out radio stuff. The first
| is super simple, it just scans through the frequencies and
| tells you which is the strongest. Most devices will put
| this in their manual but it's nice to not need to have to
| look it up.
|
| Once you know the frequency one option is to just take a
| raw sample at ____megahertz and play it back on demand.
| This doesn't work for some radio signals because they use
| rolling codes and it's also a bit inefficient (be VERY VERY
| careful using a Flipper with a car key fob, because they
| can sometimes go out of sync and you can't open your car
| afterwards)
|
| The good news is, for many types of radio signals, the
| flipper can also determine the protocol and what digital
| data is being sent- so instead of playing back a 2 second
| sample of me holding down the "power" button on my lamp's
| remote, it knows it can just broadcast 0x1234 using
| protocol XYZ.
|
| NFC and RFID devices are basically plug & play, although
| only a subset are supposed.
| 5bolts wrote:
| i use it to clone my work badge onto the chip in my hand... and
| to have all my amiibos in a nice easy portable package for
| switch gaming on the go.
|
| haven't explored anything else
| lsllc wrote:
| Wait, back up there: "chip in my hand?"
| _joel wrote:
| A colleague I worked with did the same a few years back
| https://twitter.com/danhett/status/888390099066642432
| judge2020 wrote:
| This front page seems to include a lot of info - it had a
| 'Sub-1 GHz Transceiver', then it has '125kHz RFID':
|
| > Low-frequency proximity cardsThis type of card is widely used
| in old access control systems around the world. It's pretty
| dumb, stores only an N-byte ID and has no authentication
| mechanism, allowing it to be read, cloned and emulated by
| anyone. A 125 kHz antenna is located on the bottom of Flipper
| -- it can read EM-4100 and HID Prox cards, save them to memory
| to emulate later.
|
| And
|
| > Flipper Zero has a built-in NFC module (13.56 MHz). Along
| with the 125kHz module, it turns Flipper into an ultimate RFID
| device operating in both Low Frequency (LF) and High Frequency
| (HF) ranges. The NFC module supports all the major standards,
| such as NXP Mifare.
| RainaRelanah wrote:
| I'm guessing this thing wouldn't work for emulating FeliCa cards?
|
| e: it can read but can't yet emulate, given how niche it is
| outside of JP I doubt it'll ever support it.
| NovemberWhiskey wrote:
| Yeah I tried it with a pile of transit cards accumulated over
| the years from various places (Oyster, Octopus, Pasmo, Suica,
| Opal, Icoca, SmartLink, probably some others) and it was able
| to identify the Japanese cards but not do much more with the
| firmware I had.
| turtleman1338 wrote:
| You can actually buy a device from an official reseller with same
| day shipping depending on your location:
| https://lab401.com/products/flipper-zero
| climb_stealth wrote:
| Has anyone come across guides on how to use it?
|
| Just simple things like copying a garage opener. I tried it a few
| times and couldn't work it out. I think It looks like I got it to
| capture something, but then nothing happens when I send it again.
| Makes me feel a bit dumb and haven't touched it since.
| ComputerCat wrote:
| Ohhh neat! Website looks nice!
| psanford wrote:
| I just got mine a couple of days ago. I'm really impressed with
| how well its built and how polished the software is. It is much
| more polished than any other similar (useful!) hacking/debugging
| hobbyist devices I've bought. Its clear a lot of thought and care
| has gone into it.
| hexmiles wrote:
| Just received mine (today).
|
| What is also amazing is the community, there are already custom
| firmware, extension and guides
|
| You can find a list here: https://github.com/djsime1/awesome-
| flipperzero
| _joel wrote:
| Nice, that's me sorted for tonight, cheers mate
| neilv wrote:
| For those of us who crowdfunded this a couple years ago (when it
| was a no-brainer muti-tool for the startup I was in at the time,
| dealing with fancy NFC/RFID/etc.), but don't have hobby time to
| play with it... where's the best place to sell it, and feel like
| a winner? eBay?
| Sin2x wrote:
| They definitely should add Tamagochi functionality to that!
| judge2020 wrote:
| https://reddit.com/r/flipperzero/comments/thzia7/really_enjo...
| modeless wrote:
| Is there any way to get notified when they are in stock for US
| shipment?
| pjbeam wrote:
| I just emailed support asking about this, will post here the
| response when I get it.
|
| Update: Flipper says they'll be back in stock for US, Canada,
| and Australia in September but did not provide a mechanism for
| getting alerted when this happens.
| stjohnswarts wrote:
| i woudl guess one could sign up for the blog updates. they
| seem to post that sort of info there.
|
| https://blog.flipperzero.one/
| walls wrote:
| They post announcements on their Discord when the shop updates.
| modeless wrote:
| Ugh, not another Discord to monitor.
| mschuster91 wrote:
| Wonder how hard it would be to pair it with two 1 GBit/s ethernet
| controllers, high speed storage and an FPGA with an embedded SoC.
| Think of something like "embed it between two network devices and
| mirror their traffic through a wifi AP".
|
| Bought it anyway in the hope of someone more talented than me
| manages to make an expansion board :D
| Sentino wrote:
| Way to 'toyie'.
|
| Looks weird, spends tons of time to promote the dolphin angle and
| the use cases are all shuffled together.
| causi wrote:
| I like this. We need more ultra-mobile electronics tools. I'm
| waiting for the day the Pokit Meter can handle mains voltage.
| vxNsr wrote:
| Only thing I'd care about is if it could operate like the loop
| card wallet thing that Samsung bought and then killed. Applepay
| is great but still isn't accepted at Walmart and Krogers owned
| stores (among others) would love to have a little device like
| this that holds all my cards.
| darkwater wrote:
| I would guess that with a couple of Flipper Zeros you could
| easily implement keyfobs/BT relay attacks?
| tantalor wrote:
| Why would you need "a couple"?
| jackson1442 wrote:
| One for capture and one for replay so you can do it from
| afar, I assume.
| darkwater wrote:
| Exactly, BT range is not that great although probably with
| one you can do something already
| polio wrote:
| What's the legality of something like this?
| stjohnswarts wrote:
| It's fine as it's not mass produced single purpose hardware
| like your wifi router. Just don't use it to break into your
| neighbors garage and you'll be fine and don't hook it up to a
| 500 watt wireless repeater/amplifier.
| r2_pilot wrote:
| As sold, completely legal.
| 0xTJ wrote:
| The radio side of things is very locked-down, you can only
| transmit in the bands allowed by the region for which it's
| sold.
| capableweb wrote:
| _cough_ https://github.com/Eng1n33r/flipperzero-firmware
| _cough_
| kstrauser wrote:
| I'm glad that's hackable. I have an extra class ham radio
| license and can play with some additional frequencies, and
| want to at least have the option to enable them.
| kris99999 wrote:
| I've been rather curious as to what the license would
| legally allow one to do with this. Should this end up
| applying for some of the capable but disabled
| frequencies?
|
| Context: I have a flipper zero and have been thinking
| about testing for amateur radio licenses.
| kstrauser wrote:
| I'm not sure, but a big part of the reason for having
| amateur radio licenses is for experimentation and
| learning. I have no idea what I'd actually _do_ with
| those frequencies yet.
| _joel wrote:
| Mine arrived this week :) No idea how to use it yet though
| schizo89 wrote:
| I'm hyped to see them in retail chains
| mvdwoord wrote:
| I have just received mine (kickstarter backer, EU based) and am
| impressed by the build quality. I still need to play with
| alternative firmware etc and found a very naive cloning of my
| access badge did not work, most likely due to some additional
| security in place. Had to check though after I picked up an SD
| card on my way to the office.
|
| Curious to see what uses I can find for this, most likely it will
| end up in a drawer sooner rather than later, but I can see this
| be very useful on holidays ;)
| victor- wrote:
| amazing tool. if you have any tools in the shop with radio-remote
| (like lights, or a vacuum) - this tool can make you an evil king
| of a haunted space. but don't do that tho.
| JaggerFoo wrote:
| Is this the same device I saw in reports about nerds trolling
| Tesla owners by opening their charging ports?
| bl4ckneon wrote:
| Yep, there are some videos of people using it to open the
| charging ports. I found the wireless "commands" (or whatever
| the correct terminology for it is) on github a while back
| before I received mine, but haven't gotten around to testing it
| out on local teslas here
| planb wrote:
| Finally a kickstarter i backed that keeps up to the promises. Got
| mine last week and it does everything that was promised and keeps
| constantly being improved.
| robk wrote:
| This looks useful, I just ordered one.
| stjohnswarts wrote:
| I wonder why they're only selling in Europe? Has shipping to the
| USA from Europe become a pain and not worth it?
| pnw wrote:
| Likely because the company is Russian.
| mschuster91 wrote:
| They're shipping from Hongkong per their FAQ [1], and are
| incorporated from the US [2]
|
| [1] https://flipperzero.one/faq
|
| [2] https://www.flipperdevices.com/
| turtleman1338 wrote:
| They already sold to USA, but the devices for USA are different
| than EU because of some regulations and they are out of stock
| atm
| ciguy wrote:
| Just wasted 20 minutes trying to figure out how to order. It kept
| saying no shipping rates found for my address. Turns out they
| aren't allowing US orders at the moment but they don't actually
| say that on the website you just get a cryptic shipping rates
| message. Not the greatest experience.
| Zigurd wrote:
| The site lists countries where it is available.
| unethical_ban wrote:
| On the pre-order page, in bold, directly under the "buy now"
| button:
|
| ---
|
| Shipping in August 2022. Currently available only for:
|
| Andorra, Austria, Belarus, Belgium, Bosnia & Herzegovina,
| Bulgaria, Croatia, Cyprus, Czechia, Denmark, Estonia, Finland,
| France, French Polynesia, Germany, Greece, Vatican City,
| Hungary, Iceland, Ireland, Italy, Kazakhstan, Latvia,
| Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, Moldova,
| Netherlands, North Macedonia, Norway, Poland, Portugal,
| Romania, Serbia, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden,
| Switzerland, Turkey, United Kingdom
|
| More countries coming in September.
| pnw wrote:
| Probably not easy taking orders on a Russian website from the
| US right now?
| r2_pilot wrote:
| The company was established in the US since at least 2019, so
| this is not an issue. They ship out of Hong Kong.
| capableweb wrote:
| As someone who just ordered one to the EU, you people in the US
| finally get a taste of your own medicine :)
|
| I can't even recount how many times I've wanted to order
| something, and not until the final step before doing the
| payment they put up a "Sorry, we only accept orders within the
| US & Canada".
| deusum wrote:
| Wanna create a parcel bouncing service? One address here, one
| over there, charge for shipping and handling
| deusum wrote:
| We'd get a bulk discount on shipping sending containers of
| goods. But the sorting and re shipping sounds like Amazon
| level logistics
| arwineap wrote:
| We will be a success if we have that scale of problems :)
| dylan604 wrote:
| Until the Flipper people realize that a crap ton of their
| devices are being shipped to the exact same EU address
| Cockbrand wrote:
| I'd like to order one as well (EU, too), but I'm a bit
| repelled by the $35 tax on top of the price. Did you pay the
| same tax? Did you research whether you'll have to pay customs
| fees as well?
| capableweb wrote:
| Order total: ~$300, where ~$50 is taxes and ~$50 is
| shipping. I did not research any customs fees, as I've been
| craving the device since I came across this comment:
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31534257 (2 months
| ago), so don't really care about the custom fees.
| rbarrois wrote:
| It seems to be available from resellers, lab401 seems to be
| their official reseller in Europe:
| https://lab401.com/collections/flipper-zero
| pomian wrote:
| Even though it states on web page on big letters, that it
| ships to Canada. It does not. Canada not available. (I
| suspect same with USA)
| Cockbrand wrote:
| That's in fact a lot cheaper. Nice one, thanks!
| dylan604 wrote:
| Well, if your fellow EU breatheren weren't such a hot spot
| for internet fraud.../s
|
| Do these same fraudsters hit other EU online sites as much as
| they hit US based sites?
| catskul2 wrote:
| I think they may be shipping from Russia, so that may be part
| of the problem.
| f311a wrote:
| They ship from Hong Kong
| erulabs wrote:
| Not great but I'd cut them some slack. Designing hardware,
| software, a billing system, a website, production, shipping...
| I'm part of a two man hardware company and it's a miracle it's
| even possible.
|
| The web is funny tho - an order page is just an order page - if
| it was built by a trillion dollar company or a startup barely
| paying rent - we go in with the same expectations.
| Agamus wrote:
| This device is seducing me to learn new skills that I wish I
| already had so I could justify submission to the seduction - a
| familiar, odd loop. Do want!
| Justin_K wrote:
| Is it me or are the comments all complete spam? The top three all
| say the same thing, roughly, "well built / good build quality /
| impressed with build, etc".
| r2_pilot wrote:
| I have had one since around April, and the hardware quality is
| good. Their blog also shows where they had to change processes
| because their QA caught things like the header plastic warping
| and is a good source of how to bring a product to market in the
| middle of a pandemic. I do feel like their software quality,
| while functional, could stand some polish, but it's fine. I'm
| currently working on making an add-on board for its gpio pins.
| _joel wrote:
| No, just very happy hacker backers. I've been messing with mine
| for the past few hours now and love it.
| site-packages1 wrote:
| I have a couple friends with them and ordered mine about a
| month ago, should be delivered any day. I've only heard good
| things about this device, I really don't think it's spam.
| splitrocket wrote:
| Check my karma: It's not spam. It really is really well built.
| Should be: took them _years_ to get it built, I bought into
| their kickstarter early. That said, I learned huge amounts
| about building hardware from their engineering blog, strongly
| recommend it.
| [deleted]
| icanhackit wrote:
| Their engineering/status update bogs were really interesting.
| Particularly injection mold issues and RFID/NFC standards.
|
| And I agree, the build quality is really nice - just wish
| they sold the screen protector during the kickstarter - I
| have the silicon protector and wifi dev board but my LCD
| screen is scuffed from carrying it around in my pocket.
| enriquto wrote:
| But does it exist? The website is written in the future tense
| here and there.
| r2_pilot wrote:
| I've had one since April. The company, while established in the
| US, consists of many people who use English as a second
| language, and who have been under considerable difficulties
| with being a hardware startup servicing the world market during
| a pandemic.
| annoyingnoob wrote:
| Super interesting device and I'm ordering one.
|
| I found it interesting that their Careers/Jobs page is in
| Cyrillic. Flipper Devices is not looking for me.
| https://www.flipperdevices.com/jobs
| skjoldr wrote:
| The main office is still in Moscow.
| aaaaaaaaaaab wrote:
| Can't wait to use mine on an airplane! They have all sorts of
| interesting radio communication going on!
| jasonladuke0311 wrote:
| you might get a bonus all-expenses-paid vacation!
| turdnagel wrote:
| Would something like this be a good way for a beginner to get
| into hardware hacking, or is it more for intermediate-advanced
| level hackers?
| notatoad wrote:
| Given all the comments here praising the build quality and
| conspicuous lack of comments talking about the actual things it
| can do, I'm guessing it's fairly difficult to use for anything
| beyond admiring it's build quality
| conorcleary wrote:
| And all Apple consumers use all available features.
| shadowpho wrote:
| Flipper zero is more aimed at wireless hacking. Which is very
| cool, it's a fairly unexplored area of hacking (due to
| traditionally high barrier of entry), but is a subset of
| "hardware hacking".
|
| For general hardware hacking I'd get a pirate bus ($30), and a
| saelae logic clone (cheap). Maybe a nice cheap oscilloscope
| (but they go for $300+), but logic clone can get you mostly
| there.
| _joel wrote:
| There's a load of GPIO on it too
| birdman3131 wrote:
| I just got my Pokit Pro multimeter in this week and it has an
| oscilloscope feature. Good for up to 600V. Not currently sure
| I would recommend it but Ive not found anything bad on it. It
| is almost $200 now though.
| 5bolts wrote:
| depends on what you need scope wise. several traditional
| looking ones on amazon in the 150 range.
|
| hantek handheld for 190.
| edm0nd wrote:
| I would say yes!
|
| It's great for beginners as it has a huge and friendly
| community behind it and you can easily work your way up from
| beginner to more intermediate/advanced.
| _kbh_ wrote:
| Depends what your trying to do with it to be honest. If you
| just wanna use the i2c/spi/uart stuff you can probably handle
| it. If you can plug some cables in, at worst soldering cables
| or headers to a board and can find the pins/pads themselves
| you'll be fine.
|
| At worst if you wanna try it out without spending so much money
| you can try out the bus pirate from dangerous prototypes it's
| only ~27.
|
| http://dangerousprototypes.com/docs/Bus_Pirate
| stewx wrote:
| Wow, seems like a hacking Swiss army knife. Very cool, if it
| works as well as advertised.
| grishka wrote:
| Backed it on Kickstarter a while ago. Still waiting for mine.
| Anunayj wrote:
| I wonder, is this device powerful enough to process music audio?
| It'll make for a great handheld music player if you ask me :P
| rdl wrote:
| I have one (from a few weeks ago) but haven't figured out a use
| for it yet (but also haven't had time to really explore).
| libraryatnight wrote:
| Super cool, hope it comes to the USA soon :(
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