[HN Gopher] Hexaflexagons [video] (2012)
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       Hexaflexagons [video] (2012)
        
       Author : mgdlbp
       Score  : 397 points
       Date   : 2022-07-24 14:28 UTC (8 hours ago)
        
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       | Klaster_1 wrote:
       | Are there any practical applications to this, like making
       | nanoscale structures that can change particle or surface
       | properties? What's the smallest possible structure that enables
       | bending? This looks like one of those mundane problems that
       | yields unexpectedly impactful applications, like moire pattern
       | and magic angle graphene.
        
         | StephenAmar wrote:
         | I can think of https://youtu.be/ThwuT3_AG6w
        
         | tocs3 wrote:
         | I do not how practical but maybe a business card with different
         | bits of information depending on how it is folded.
        
       | tunesmith wrote:
       | The sixth video in the series is really a work of art:
       | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIyruYQ-N4Q&list=PLaNzoFtkQ7...
       | I've thought a lot about arguments and premises and values and
       | conclusions and how it connects with frustration and humiliation
       | and shame, and really wasn't expecting all those subjects to come
       | in in a video about hexaflexagons.
        
         | someweirdperson wrote:
         | Quote from part 6: "The pink side with the yellow center is a
         | theoretical possibility that remains unobserved as in practice
         | it seems to be unopenupable."
        
       | nightchalk16 wrote:
       | http://loki3.com/flex/
        
       | mdp2021 wrote:
       | I built so many, as a child, after reading Martin Gardner. Six
       | faces for the basic ones, then many more. I used the tape of
       | calculators with mechanical printing.
       | 
       | Edit: looking for the original article from Martin Gardner;
       | meanwhile: the submitted video was commented by the Scientific
       | American (the original container) -
       | https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/flexagon-b...
       | 
       | The original article was _Flexagons // In which strips of paper
       | are used to make hexagonal figures with unusual properties_,
       | published on December 1, 1956. The Scientific American has it
       | online, but paywalled.
       | 
       | Found it:
       | 
       | https://archive.org/details/martingardnerthecolossalbookofma...
       | 
       | in _Martin Gardner - The Colossal Book Of Mathematics_ (page 385)
        
       | bmorton wrote:
        
       | mgdlbp wrote:
       | A recent submission[1] reminds me of the series on flexagons--
       | folded paper with more than two faces that can be swapped via a
       | 'flexing' operation--by Vi Hart, whose videos on mathematics were
       | quite popular on YouTube around ten years ago.
       | 
       | https://www.youtube.com/user/Vihart/videos?sort=p,
       | https://hn.algolia.com/?query=vi%20hart
       | 
       | [1] 'folding' in a different sense: _How to fold a Julia fractal
       | (2013)_ - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32209192
        
         | mgdlbp wrote:
         | Interesting-- Vi Hart was a PI for YC Research's HARC (known
         | mostly for Bret Victor's Dynamicland) - small world
         | 
         | https://hn.algolia.com/?query=harc
        
           | O__________O wrote:
           | Yep, Vi Hart even posted single comment on HN years ago:
           | 
           | https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=vihart
        
       | CliffStoll wrote:
       | Vi Hart's videos -- terrific!
        
       | sam_goody wrote:
       | I saw a reference to Martin Gardner's article when I was in,
       | maybe, 9th grade.
       | 
       | So I went to the main branch of the NY public library ("reading
       | between the lions") and looked up the article on microfiche. It
       | was fascinating and fun - from how to make a row of equilateral
       | triangles with nothing more than a ruler, pen and paper. Many,
       | many hours were spent on the various flexagon derivatives.
       | 
       | Years later, I made a JS page to combine images and print
       | hexaflexagons for my son's classmates. Had some fun with that as
       | well; it was much more confounding than I expected.
       | 
       | Nowadays, microfiche is gone, the public library is unfortunately
       | not in most kids vernacular, and the attention span that would be
       | required to enjoy doing the math I did has been hijacked. (TikTok
       | !== figure-out-flexagon)
        
         | lmm wrote:
         | > Nowadays, microfiche is gone, the public library is
         | unfortunately not in most kids vernacular, and the attention
         | span that would be required to enjoy doing the math I did has
         | been hijacked. (TikTok !== figure-out-flexagon)
         | 
         | The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt
         | for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter
         | in place of exercise.
        
         | bigdict wrote:
         | National education crisis averted:
         | https://www.maa.org/sites/default/files/pdf/pubs/focus/Gardn...
        
         | O__________O wrote:
         | TikTok has a lot of creative content on flexagons:
         | 
         | https://www.tiktok.com/tag/flexagon
         | 
         | It's also not intended for long-form content, which is fine. If
         | someone is super interested in the topic, related math, etc --
         | easy to find information elsewhere using search engine and the
         | short videos are much more likely to get someone's attention.
        
           | sam_goody wrote:
           | Oh sure, the internet has a lot more related info readily
           | available than was ever possible by using microfiche.
           | 
           | And my phone can keep track of more more phone numbers than I
           | was ever able to memorize.
           | 
           | But, _I_ know far fewer numbers now than I did as a kid, and
           | _my son_ will know far less than I did about flexagons. One
           | reason may be _because_ he knows it is readily available, he
           | won 't learn it himself. And one reason is because there is
           | _so much_ surface level learning available, which is so easy
           | and interesting to consume, that anything that takes work and
           | time is postponed, and eventually conditioned to be ignored.
           | 
           | This is true for porn, fast-food, caffeine, or what have you
           | - easy, gratifying, effortless dopamine rushes will destroy
           | the positive (and ultimately more gratifying) activities that
           | the brain chemicals were supposed to encourage in the first
           | place.
           | 
           | As someone who works with youth, the level of constant
           | distraction that the smartphone has created is not plausibly
           | denied.
        
             | MrsPeaches wrote:
             | A few random thoughts on this.
             | 
             | 1. The main issue I see is that smartphones are primarily
             | devices for consumption (vs creation). The creation you can
             | do easily are well established tools (digital writing,
             | photography and videography). Where TikTok and Insta have
             | succeeded is simple editing tools for the latter two (+
             | sharing and social algos etc).
             | 
             | 2. To the action we as technologist need to take, is to
             | build tools for smartphones that have a focus on creation
             | rather than consumption (or to fuse the two, a la
             | explorable explanations).
             | 
             | 3. It may also be that the smartphone is a broken paradigm
             | and we need to start thinking beyond smartphones, with a
             | keen awareness that powerful corporations have a strong
             | incentive to ensure that consumption is at the core of the
             | technology experience (e.g. Meta and VR).
        
               | syntheweave wrote:
               | It's very easy to turn the smartphone into a reasonable
               | creation tool, the trick is not act like the world ends
               | at the bounds of the device.
               | 
               | Seeing smartphone software as the complete editing tool -
               | in the mold of desktop software - isn't that interesting,
               | creatively speaking. It's very precise to use software in
               | that way, to emulate professional workflows from
               | generations ago and create all sorts of shortcuts and
               | configurations. But it only affects decision-making
               | workflows in a limited sense, because what the precision
               | mostly does is pull you down the road towards polishing
               | your output more and more, making smaller and smaller
               | edits with more and more layers. Why are you polishing
               | it? If you exit the software and change mediums, you can
               | actually accomplish more with less, because then you can
               | just accept the limitations and finish. Software is often
               | at its best with mixed media approaches where it
               | supplements a few tasks with a light layer of edits, a
               | data processing step, or a preliminary design iteration.
               | But there are many traditional techniques and
               | technologies that don't need it, or amount to "we strap
               | some AI onto it to turn an imprecise machine into a
               | precise one".
               | 
               | The consumption-device viewpoint of the phone is an
               | invention of the software industry. The reality is that
               | people are doing a lot of productive things just by
               | turning the phone into a portable scanner or audio
               | recorder. It's already the fastest way to grab references
               | for most media. If you set up a Bluetooth keyboard and a
               | stand, the small screen works fine for typing up run-once
               | code to solve immediate problems. The things blocking
               | creativity are a combination of the software ecosystem
               | being unready to deprofessionalize itself and exit the
               | industrialized "app" model(and it is unready - we have a
               | lot of maturation to do still to automate programmers out
               | of their jobs), and the atmosphere of social media to
               | engage in rat races for likes and follows, which is
               | caused through incoherent models of assigning credit and
               | blame, poor mechanisms of identity management, etc.
        
             | SV_BubbleTime wrote:
             | Counterpoint... there is too much information now.
             | 
             | There is just too much to keep in a human brain. So, don't,
             | or, try and make an effort to separate the wheat from the
             | chaff and know where it's ok to give some up. No, your kids
             | will probably not know as much about an origami trick, but
             | they will know more about fusion or quantum computing or
             | nanobots than you ever will. That doesn't make them
             | disadvantaged or you better. They might know more about
             | Octaflexagons than you.
             | 
             | I'm sure my grand father that worked in a foundry making
             | cast iron pipe would be horrified to discover I don't know
             | a lot about that process, but I could easily look up more
             | than he ever knew.
             | 
             | So, this largely seems like a "kids these days" type of
             | rant.
        
             | tomxor wrote:
             | > [...] which is so easy and interesting to consume, that
             | anything that takes work and time is postponed, and
             | eventually conditioned to be ignored. This is true for
             | porn, fast-food, caffeine, or what have you - easy,
             | gratifying, effortless dopamine rushes will destroy the
             | positive (and ultimately more gratifying) activities that
             | the brain chemicals were supposed to encourage in the first
             | place.
             | 
             | I read this to the backdrop of the movie "Idiocracy"
             | playing in my mind. Especially the "porn, fast-food,
             | caffeine" (aka Starbucks in the movie :P)
        
         | marcelluspye wrote:
        
           | collegeburner wrote:
           | your comment is agephobic
        
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       | donclark wrote:
       | related:
       | 
       | https://www.alibris.com/search/books/isbn/9781944686109?invi...
       | 
       | https://www.etsy.com/listing/1231396190/tri-hexa-flexa-coder...
        
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       | washyourdishes wrote:
       | I love to recommend ViHart's "Suspend your Disbelief" video:
       | https://youtu.be/deg1wmYjwtk
       | 
       | It takes a special place in my heart for being able to break
       | apart and explain the effects of media and belief - especially of
       | media referenced within media.
        
         | Karellen wrote:
         | Also, "How I Feel About Logarithms":
         | https://youtu.be/N-7tcTIrers
         | 
         | Genius.
        
         | Nebasuke wrote:
         | Thanks for linking this, I loved this video. I'm surprised it's
         | relatively unpopular compared to the rest of the channel, but I
         | suppose that supports her point...
        
         | JKCalhoun wrote:
         | I had not seen that one before. She truly is genius.
        
       | Despoisj wrote:
       | I made a 6 sided square flexagon puzzle for my dad, it's
       | surprisingly simple yet can take forever to solve.
       | 
       | If interested, I've spend quite some time looking for more square
       | flexagons, and made one with 12 and another with 14 faces (along
       | with a puzzle version)! Tricky to build properly but stunning.
        
       | notRobot wrote:
       | I know about Vi Hart but hadn't seen this series before, I just
       | watched the first two videos and my mind is so blown right now,
       | this is incredible. I love fun math stuff like this.
        
         | Jtsummers wrote:
         | If you liked this, you ought to check out Gardner's articles
         | themselves:
         | 
         | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Gardner_bibliography#%2...
         | - That's a list of the books (and on that page many other
         | things) collecting Gardner's _Scientific American_
         | "Mathematical Games" articles.
         | 
         | https://www.cambridge.org/us/academic/subjects/mathematics/s...
         | - First 4 of the reprints available here (or a bookseller of
         | your choice).
        
       | O__________O wrote:
       | (2012) is date for videos from this thread.
       | 
       | Happy to see Vi Hart's still making videos:
       | 
       | https://m.youtube.com/user/Vihart/videos
        
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       | pixl97 wrote:
       | Hexagons are the bestagons
       | 
       | https://youtu.be/thOifuHs6eY
        
         | O__________O wrote:
         | To be fair, hexagons alone are unable to form a sphere like
         | surface:
         | 
         | https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=btPqKAGyajM
         | 
         | And of course the odd response from the UK government to the
         | above petition was to basically say having a realistic football
         | signs would increase the odds of accidents, lol:
         | 
         | https://aperiodical.com/2017/10/standupmaths-petition-has-ha...
        
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