[HN Gopher] Honestly: Does Glorifying Sickness Deter Healing?
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       Honestly: Does Glorifying Sickness Deter Healing?
        
       Author : paulpauper
       Score  : 26 points
       Date   : 2022-07-24 21:02 UTC (1 hours ago)
        
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       | thrown_22 wrote:
       | It not only deters healing, it makes people act ill when they are
       | not. Social media is filled with people pretending to be sick. If
       | you want some of the most blatant see [0] the disability there
       | isn't three broken ribs requiring a ventilator.
       | 
       | Reminds me of Luis the 14th and his anal fistula [1]. Courtiers
       | started faking anal fistulas after the king had an operation to
       | remove his. It got to the point where they would get treatment
       | for them, or fake getting the treatment, regardless of health.
       | This was not a simple operation at the time. Chances of death
       | were high, to the point where the first was performed on a
       | condemned criminal who was pardoned if he survived.
       | 
       | [0] https://www.insider.com/who-is-youtube-star-nikocado-
       | avocado...
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       | [1] https://tidsskriftet.no/2016/08/sun-kings-anal-fistula
        
         | thaumasiotes wrote:
         | See also: https://astralcodexten.substack.com/p/book-review-
         | crazy-like...
         | 
         | > Around the Meiji Restoration, when everyone was obsessed with
         | how great foreign stuff was, Japanese medical students went to
         | Germany, learned psychiatry, came back to Japan, and told
         | everyone they were neurasthenic. Being neurasthenic became
         | first a fashion, then a class marker. The idea was that
         | neurasthenics were people who were working too hard (good,
         | admirable), and who were so smart and doing so much furious
         | intellectual activity that it was straining their nerves
         | (impressive). Also, they were probably sensitive souls too pure
         | for this world. The most embarrassing extreme of this happened
         | in 1903, when some photogenic Japanese youth carved a poem in a
         | tree, went to a beautiful waterfall, and leapt to his death.
         | Everyone praised him for how sensitive and artistic and
         | neurasthenic this was, and turned him into a posthumous
         | national hero. Meanwhile, "in 1902 an article reported that
         | fully one-third of patients visiting hospitals for
         | consultations were suffering from the new disease."
         | 
         | > Eventually Japanese psychiatrists got fed up, and started
         | announcing that actually neurasthenia sucked and you should not
         | have it. From a 1906 Japanese neurology journal:
         | 
         | >> These days, young students talk about such stuff as "the
         | philosophy of life". They confront important and profound
         | problems of life, are defeated, and develop neurasthenia. Those
         | who jump off a waterfall or throw themselves in front of a
         | train are weak-minded. They do not have a strong mental
         | constitution and develop mental illness, dying in the end. How
         | useless they are! Such weak-minded people would only cause harm
         | even if they remained alive.
         | 
         | > Finally everyone struck a compromise and agreed that most of
         | the lower-class patients weren't real neurasthenics (hard-
         | working, intelligent, sensitive, admirable), but had a similar
         | condition, imitating the symptoms of neurasthenia, based on
         | being too weak and pathetic to cope. This seemed to do the
         | trick, and people stopped coming to the hospital with
         | neurasthenia symptoms. Watters writes:
         | 
         | >> Looking back on the debate, it seems as if acceptance of
         | neurasthenia had been so successful that psychiatrists felt
         | obligated to restigmatize this mental disorder in hopes of
         | limiting its adoption. By the end of World War II the diagnosis
         | had almost completely gone out of style among both
         | psychiatrists and the population at large.
         | 
         | > He who has ears to hear, let him listen.
         | 
         | Glorifying illness causes a lot of harm.
        
       | astrange wrote:
       | Seems misleading that this page talks about its own author in the
       | third person.
        
         | np_tedious wrote:
         | Definitely weird. Perhaps the podcast summary was not itself
         | written by Bari?
        
       | Waterluvian wrote:
       | I'll be the first to admit that I don't have my finger on the
       | pulse of what's chic, but this line:
       | 
       | "..."the gentrification of disability," how sickness became
       | chic..."
       | 
       | is quite something.
        
         | aaaaaaaaata wrote:
         | Not a big Twitter uswr
        
       | ineptech wrote:
       | Anyone find a transcript? I'd be curious to read it but I really
       | dislike podcasts.
        
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