[HN Gopher] Unplugged Phone Mysteries
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       Unplugged Phone Mysteries
        
       Author : hampelm
       Score  : 45 points
       Date   : 2022-07-28 13:58 UTC (3 hours ago)
        
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       | md_ wrote:
       | The Erik Prince? Mercenary and alleged-murderer Erik Prince?
       | https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/blackwater-founder...
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       | Now selling a low-end "secure" smartphone?
       | 
       | Weird change of business, right?
        
       | Veserv wrote:
       | That is a hilarious security report.
       | 
       | 1. They are selling a "secure" phone, but it only reviews their
       | mobile apps.
       | 
       | 2. They are testing their mobile apps according to the Open Web
       | Application Security Project (OWASP) TOP 10. They are mobile
       | apps, not web apps.
       | 
       | 3. OWASP TOP 10 is advertised by OWASP as the "first step towards
       | changing the software development culture within your
       | organization into one that produces more secure code".
       | Conformance does not mean security, it means the first step
       | toward security.
       | 
       | It is like applying to a professorship in physics and your entire
       | resume is that you once got a gold star on a elementary school
       | arithmetic exam.
        
         | RajT88 wrote:
         | I have met CSO's who are similarly confused about what OWASP
         | Top 10 actually means.
        
       | carvking wrote:
       | Worth a listen - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwK_XLFOm_I
       | 
       | I was captivated - went through it in one setting. The more
       | recent stuff is nearer the end of the podcast. (2:20 or so)
        
       | netsharc wrote:
       | Is it just me, or has the commercial world gone weirder? Claim a
       | product that does magic shit ("patriot communication!"), claim
       | support from some famous person, although they can quickly deny
       | it, and you'll probably get some suckers to pay you for the
       | product. Or even better, investors to buy into your company.
       | 
       | Somehow the words "self-driving cars" popped into my head. Ah,
       | the wonders of faith-based investing. On the keyword of "faith",
       | maybe I should start selling investments to help build a palace
       | for Jesus that he will return to, to rule the Earth ("Endorsed by
       | 2 Popes, promise!", or I can just pay some evangelical preachers
       | to get their mouths to actually endorse it), and if you invest,
       | you can have an audience with Jesus!
        
         | RL_Quine wrote:
         | I think a lot of it stems from the realisation that you don't
         | ever need to actually make a product, you just need to sell the
         | feeling of it and that's sufficient. What's being sold here is
         | almost certainly just shovelware on a cheap chinese phone, but
         | the presentation of it is designed to make you feel like it is
         | a whole lot more than that.
        
         | pathartl wrote:
         | While "weird" it's certainly not surprising. Consumer
         | protections have not kept up with the overall global economy.
         | Snake oil products have always existed, but it's getting easier
         | to spin up a new company that targets an uneducated consumer.
        
       | carvking wrote:
       | " Oh, and Erik Prince is just the worst. " -
       | 
       | Well he did go into Iraq because the government of the USA
       | decided it.
        
       | kop316 wrote:
       | > One thing this phone has going for it is that it is, at its
       | core, an Android phone. There is a chance the device itself may
       | not be unusable after just a few years even if the company
       | disappears. That is not the case for a comparable product like
       | the Purism Librem 5.
       | 
       | PostmarketOS supports the Librem 5:
       | https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/Devices and other Linux
       | Distros have support for the Librem 5. Given how often random
       | Android devices show up and never get supported after they are
       | first released, I would argue the exact opposite. This phone will
       | likely be unsupported after a few years even if the company stays
       | around, whereas the Librem 5 will be supported even if the
       | company goes under.
        
         | nickheer wrote:
         | Thanks! I will correct this.
        
       | LegitShady wrote:
       | I always assume whoever is selling the super secure phone is
       | listening in on the super secure communications.
        
       | RL_Quine wrote:
       | The hyped "Unplugged messenger" is just element/matrix with the
       | branding stripped off it. https://web.unplugged.com/#/login
       | 
       | What a weird set of stuff, it smells really, really bad.
        
         | d4a wrote:
         | With JS disabled, I get a "Sorry, Element requires JavaScript
         | to be enabled."
        
         | _jal wrote:
         | The phone itself appears to be a rebrand of the "Liberty Phone"
         | from the last time around:
         | 
         | https://www.ghost.libertyblockchain.com
         | 
         | If you start the pre-order process, you'll start seeing links
         | to unplugged-systems.com.
         | 
         | Interestingly, the "Liberty" branded site prominently claims
         | "not made in China". I don't see a similar claim for the
         | "Unplugged" branded version.
        
         | miloignis wrote:
         | No kidding, opening the dev console shows this as part of a
         | funnily mangled (by sed, I imagine) warning message
         | 
         | > If you know what you're doing, Element is open-source, be
         | sure to check out our GitHub (https://github.com/vector-
         | im/Unplugged Messenger-web/) and contribute!
        
       | nonrandomstring wrote:
       | How many of these "private" phones turned out to be a sting
       | operation by the likes of the FBI? Can I look at the code and
       | schematic? No? Take it away. Come back when you have a product
       | based entirely on auditable open source hardware and software,
       | whose operation satisfies the Kerckhoff-Shannon principle that
       | the only secret is my private key.
        
         | mod wrote:
         | What are you using instead?
        
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