[HN Gopher] Greg can't use encrypted apps and must open his phon...
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       Greg can't use encrypted apps and must open his phone for police at
       any time
        
       Author : adrian_mrd
       Score  : 32 points
       Date   : 2022-07-31 21:56 UTC (1 hours ago)
        
 (HTM) web link (www.abc.net.au)
 (TXT) w3m dump (www.abc.net.au)
        
       | anothernewdude wrote:
       | Sounds like Australia to me.
        
       | motohagiography wrote:
       | After a discussion with a lawyer friend (not australia, canada,
       | so tangentially related), the "presumption of innocence" that
       | would not obligate this person to have or produce a key for
       | whatever gibberish someone sends to their devices, is what's
       | known in legal circles as a "principle of fundamental justice,"
       | and it is not a right that is either absolute or inaliable the
       | way that american rights are set up.
       | 
       | One doesn't need to agree with the persons cause to recognize
       | this is another extreme overstepping of authority on the part of
       | that government to mandate that the people who communicate with
       | the person subject to this order may also not protect their own
       | commuications from interception, and that the person subject to
       | the order must somehow produce a key for whatever data gets sent
       | to him.
       | 
       | Given the cynical application of laws and their moderating
       | charter exceptions in places like Australia and Canada over the
       | last few years, I could forsee a new republican movement emerging
       | in commonwealth countries, as it's pretty clear CAN/AUS/NZ have
       | dispensed with notions of fundamental justice, and have a "so sue
       | me," approach to legislation and governance, as this stuff is
       | just too stupid to be reasoned with. The language means nothing,
       | the principles mean nothing. It's no longer about tech, it's
       | about what our options are when the state has demonstrated
       | official contempt for the people it ostensibly serves.
        
       | kgeist wrote:
       | I just checked that the right against self-incrimination exists
       | in Australia, too. Isn't it a violation of this law to require
       | someone to tell their passwords?
        
       | deathgripsss wrote:
       | This seems incredibly Draconian for a climate protestor. Would
       | this prohibit him from accessing cryptocurrencies?
        
         | anothernewdude wrote:
         | Dude is a climate activist. I think other things preclude him
         | from cryptocurrency.
        
         | e12e wrote:
         | Not only that; this is before a guilty verdict!
         | 
         | > Mr Rolles has pled not guilty and is awaiting trial.
         | 
         | And it certainly seems extreme:
         | 
         | > Mr Davis said one of his clients had been pulled in by police
         | after they reacted with a "thumbs up" emoji to Facebook
         | comments shared by friends who were also allegedly part of
         | Blockade Australia activities.
         | 
         | > "A thumbs up, it's not much in terms of communication," the
         | activist told the ABC.
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         | > "The fact that the state finds that threatening -- people
         | talking and sharing our ideas -- is very telling."
         | 
         | > No breach of bail charges were ultimately pursued over the
         | "likes".
        
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