[HN Gopher] How I regained concentration and focus
       ___________________________________________________________________
        
       How I regained concentration and focus
        
       Author : aiobe
       Score  : 451 points
       Date   : 2022-08-01 11:22 UTC (11 hours ago)
        
 (HTM) web link (www.innoq.com)
 (TXT) w3m dump (www.innoq.com)
        
       | thenerdhead wrote:
       | This is very surface level. These tips can help for periods of
       | time, but they won't last forever.
       | 
       | I think the things that do change your perspective forever though
       | are philosophy and even other's philosophies on attention in
       | general.
       | 
       | Reading books like "Four arguments for the elimination of
       | television" and "Amusing ourselves to death" changed how I view
       | our attention.
       | 
       | Reading older books like "tao te ching" or "meditations" gave me
       | perspective into how much my attention matters.
        
       | smm11 wrote:
       | Duh.
        
       | davidkuennen wrote:
       | Hard for me since I'm addicted to my own app that I'd have to be
       | productive for.
        
       | adverbly wrote:
       | It always seems odd to me when it is literally writers or other
       | online content creators who are complaining about being
       | distracted by other writers or online content creators.
       | 
       | I'd love to see someone write a blog post about why they think
       | their own content is good for others to consume while the content
       | that they were willfully consuming was not.
        
       | giantg2 wrote:
       | My distraction is from all the family stuff I have to deal with.
       | My lack of concentration is because I lack motivation - I don't
       | see any reason to try hard at work since it's all politics and
       | BS.
        
         | BLKNSLVR wrote:
         | Hi friend!
         | 
         | My family stuff is what keeps me going though. My work is a
         | basket case at the moment, 12-month contract ends in 4 weeks,
         | and it's almost a full time job applying for jobs.
         | 
         | I've had three managers in my not-quite 12 months, none that
         | I've worked with very closely, one that thinks I'm no good
         | because I unwittingly stepped on the toes of a couple of
         | institutionalized colleagues by "doing my job", who complained
         | to this guy who'd been my boss a total of less than a week at
         | the time.
         | 
         | "Just do what you're told" was his advice. So, what you're
         | saying is coast until the contract is over? Done and done.
         | 
         | Makes it hard to get a good recent reference though, lucky the
         | market is thirsting for warm bodies.
        
           | Tade0 wrote:
           | > My family stuff is what keeps me going though. My work is a
           | basket case at the moment, 12-month contract ends in 4 weeks,
           | and it's almost a full time job applying for jobs.
           | 
           | Unsolicited advice: if you can, wait for September to really
           | start looking for employment. August is slow season in
           | recruitment because people are still on vacation while
           | September is the last month of the quarter, so recruiters
           | have targets to reach for the projects scheduled to start in
           | Q4.
        
           | giantg2 wrote:
           | Sounds all too familiar.
           | 
           | I had 7 or 8 managers over the past 2.5 years. I picked up
           | and completed several extra stories over the previous couple
           | sprints only to recieve negative feedback that it wasn't what
           | they wanted me to work on, even though I asked them if there
           | was anything specific they wanted me to do next and had
           | recieved no response. Oh, and my company will not allow
           | managers to give employees recommendations/references at all.
        
         | tenebrisalietum wrote:
         | Work for money.
        
           | woweoe wrote:
           | Many cultures even in the West look down on that kind of
           | attitude.
        
           | giantg2 wrote:
           | What money? There's no way to get a raise at my company
           | without a promotion and they won't promote me. I have no
           | motivation to work hard if it won't be rewarded. I do the
           | minimum to get paid my shitty salary.
        
             | TameAntelope wrote:
             | Who said anything about your current company?
        
               | giantg2 wrote:
               | I don't have the skills to switch to a different company,
               | tech jobs are limited in my area, I don't perform well
               | remotely, and my wife won't consider relocating. My
               | current shitty job is the best job I can get.
        
               | TameAntelope wrote:
               | Get the skills, limited doesn't mean none, get better at
               | performing remotely, drop the wife...
               | 
               | You are in complete control over your life, but you have
               | to accept that responsibility. Stop blaming externalities
               | and start owning your choices.
        
               | giantg2 wrote:
               | Everything is a tradeoff. Just because someone view the
               | weight of the choices differently doesn't mean they are
               | wrong. Check your ego.
        
               | bumby wrote:
               | It's okay to say tech jobs aren't the right fit as well.
        
               | giantg2 wrote:
               | They might not be. I'm hesitant to admit that because 1)
               | They used to be and I was a high performer at a mediocre
               | non-tech company 2) There's nothing else I can do to earn
               | enough to support my family.
        
               | bumby wrote:
               | > _There 's nothing else I can do to earn enough to
               | support my family._
               | 
               | Honest question that I know won't be well-received on HN:
               | I don't know your personal details, but do you think
               | there is not anyone else in a lower paid job who has
               | figured out a way to support their family?
               | 
               | Frustration stems from when reality doesn't meet our
               | expectations. You can choose to try and bend reality to
               | your will or change your expectations. One is
               | significantly easier than the other.
        
               | frostwarrior wrote:
               | > I don't have the skills to switch to a different
               | company
               | 
               | Go and learn. Skills are not set in stone.
               | 
               | > I don't perform well remotely, and my wife won't
               | consider relocating
               | 
               | I understand that. I don't know you, but maybe a nicer
               | setup with more (not too direct) sunlight can make it
               | better?
        
               | giantg2 wrote:
               | "Go and learn. Skills are not set in stone."
               | 
               | Sure, but learning takes time, which I have little of.
               | It's also much easier for some than others (getting
               | significantly more difficult as I age).
               | 
               | The main remote issue is that my wife interrupts me to do
               | stuff or answer questions throughout the day. I also feel
               | I'm slower to learn remotely. I think that if I'm an
               | expert in the tech already, then remote could work.
        
               | frostwarrior wrote:
               | I get it, but you already have a job. I assume you are be
               | pretty busy, but at least you already have a secure
               | source of money and you're not against the clock or
               | anything like that.
               | 
               | You don't need to spend all day in a class like a
               | university student. An hour a day dedicated to lectures,
               | practice and taking some notes with pencil and paper* can
               | do wonders on the long term.
               | 
               | As for your wife, maybe you can talk to her and ask her
               | to leave you alone for some specific times, unless it's
               | urgent. Or ask her to send you a message instead of
               | talking so it doesn't interrupt your focus so much.
               | 
               | * Some research on learning has proven that taking notes
               | like that is way more effective than typing on a
               | keyboard.
        
               | giantg2 wrote:
               | Thanks. I have tried talking to her, but the results
               | weren't great. I do try to learn things outside of work.
               | The main problem is if you don't use it, you lose it.
               | Without constant practice it's hard to build and retain
               | skills. I don't even have an hour a day free for that due
               | to work and home responsibilities.
        
               | frostwarrior wrote:
               | You don't lose it completely, though. And it's easier to
               | relearn and get back on track than to learn it the first
               | time.
               | 
               | I learned C like ten years ago and then I moved on to PHP
               | and then to JavaScript. I'm sure I forgot most of it. But
               | thanks to that, I'm now learning Golang and when it came
               | to pointers it clicked almost instantly.
        
               | giantg2 wrote:
               | True, the concepts transfer. But for me the concepts are
               | always easy. The implementation/syntax/libraries are
               | harder for me. I know at least I can go back and use
               | prior projects as a guide... if I ever return to that
               | tech. That's probably a big one for me, that I feel like
               | the work ends up being thrown away if i never use it
               | again. Although things like Android development has
               | changed significantly with things like apk to aab, Java
               | in Eclipse to Kotlin in Studio (Jet Brains), etc.
        
             | frostwarrior wrote:
             | If your current job can't motivate you, work on a side
             | project or look for another job.
             | 
             | And don't be the weakest link in the (faulty) chain. It's
             | leaves a better impression by notifying external
             | inefficiency and quitting because lack of change, rather
             | than being fired because your motivation and productiveness
             | withered in silence.
        
               | giantg2 wrote:
               | Yeah, I have side projects. They aren't anything that I
               | could make money on though. If I had a better option I
               | would leave.
        
               | frostwarrior wrote:
               | Personally, I wish I could have more side projects to
               | post them on my Github and use them as a developer
               | portfolio.
               | 
               | I have a few years of experience as a Web Dev, but sadly
               | my GitHub is barren from code.
        
               | giantg2 wrote:
               | I have an Angular site, a Python project, and a couple of
               | Android apps. I don't think it matters. The Android apps
               | helped me get a job out of college. But I feel like now
               | that I've been in the industry, nobody cares about dev
               | portfolios. It's all about the current/prior job.
        
           | VyseofArcadia wrote:
           | My experience is that the more politics and BS and
           | organization has, the more you can coast. Individual
           | performance can get lost in the noise.
           | 
           | Even in orgs that have their stuff together, I see a
           | preference for internal transfer over termination. I think
           | it's some sort of HR sunk cost fallacy.
        
             | ge96 wrote:
             | I'm kind of coasting myself (not being a leader/taking
             | anything big on). What I like it about it is, I can leave
             | work at work after work and focus on my own things that are
             | more challenging.
             | 
             | At the moment I burned money/got into a lot of debt trying
             | to get a start up going. When that failed I just grabbed
             | the first job/company that gave me an offer. I'm not that
             | pumped about what I do but I can deal with it for now. Pay
             | is still good for my level (low six figs) and it's 100%
             | remote.
        
             | giantg2 wrote:
             | My experience is that the politics and BS lead to BS
             | ratings that go against the written policies because there
             | are contradictory backroom policies.
             | 
             | In this market, we can't seem to hire anyone (we aren't
             | competitive on salary). So I guess it makes sense that they
             | want to keep the low performers since they wouldn't be able
             | to backfill. This still sucks since there's a lot of stress
             | dealing with poor ratings and not know if you will get
             | fired. And then even if you do work hard and perform well,
             | there'd no guarantee that will increase your rating or
             | comp.
        
           | bumby wrote:
           | While I think it's healthy to not tie your identity and well-
           | being to your job, I think it might be a bad habit to view
           | everything through the lens of a financial transaction.
           | 
           | We've all probably worked with people who will only lift a
           | finger if it benefits them. Create an organization of people
           | with this mindset and much of the necessary but un-glorious
           | work never gets done. I suppose you could say people can play
           | the long game and do that stuff in hopes of getting noticed,
           | but if it doesn't and you have a transactional mindset, it's
           | a recipe to be miserable. (We've probably all worked with
           | those people too - the ones who feel slighted because they
           | believe they've done all the hard work without getting
           | rewarded).
        
             | BLKNSLVR wrote:
             | > I think it might be a bad habit to view everything
             | through the lens of a financial transaction
             | 
             | Unless you want to get promoted into management...
             | 
             | Hire new people to do the inglourious work.
        
               | bumby wrote:
               | > _Hire new people to do the inglourious work._
               | 
               | But I'm assuming this means hiring people without the
               | same transactional mindset? Otherwise, there will just be
               | endless employee churn as they realize there's nothing in
               | it for them.
               | 
               | It's hard for me to get on-board with a management
               | approach that effectively says, "I don't want to do this
               | stuff because I want to get paid but it's okay for you to
               | do it because I don't care whether you get paid or not."
               | Either you think the work is worth doing or you don't,
               | but it's a weak leadership style to say it's only worth
               | doing if someone else is doing it. (That's different that
               | strategically assigning duties to get the most out of the
               | team.)
        
               | giantg2 wrote:
               | "But I'm assuming this means hiring people without the
               | same transactional mindset?"
               | 
               | Our company tries to outsource the more boring/routine
               | stuff to overseas contractors. The results vary.
        
             | giantg2 wrote:
             | "Create an organization of people with this mindset and
             | much of the necessary but un-glorious work never gets
             | done."
             | 
             | I've done a lot of the work that nobody else wants to do.
             | It wasn't any harder than the work others do. So it's not
             | like I want to be rewarded more than them, but just not
             | penalized for it. People who joined the company around the
             | same time as me are managers and leads. I'm a midlevel.
             | I've even filled the role of a lead for a year, but
             | politics made it so my manager couldn't give me a high
             | rating. After 10 years you'd think I'd at least be a senior
             | and have a salary of $100k. I don't think I'm asking for
             | the world here, and certainly many of the other 10 year
             | employees are farther along because they're better than me.
        
             | brokenkebab2 wrote:
             | I don't think it's fair: it's absolutely possible to be
             | motivated by the recognized fact that you provide for your
             | family, and still have healthy friendly relations with
             | colleagues, and be interested in a long-term success of
             | your employer.
             | 
             | It's also absolutely possible to create an ugly monster of
             | organization while cheering up your team with whatever we-
             | change-the-world mission.
        
               | bumby wrote:
               | I agree with you that it's possible. It's just been my
               | experience that the people who take that mindset tend to
               | slack off once they realize they can get the same
               | paycheck to provide for their family while also doing
               | less work. If your internal utility function is to
               | maximize money and minimize effort, that's going to occur
               | more often than not. To buffer that, management needs to
               | hold them accountable, but that's easier said than done,
               | especially in large organizations.
        
               | giantg2 wrote:
               | "It's just been my experience that the people who take
               | that mindset tend to slack off once they realize they can
               | get the same paycheck to provide for their family while
               | also doing less work."
               | 
               | I think it's mostly the people who realized the company
               | has deceived them, either in the company values/mission
               | or the "pay for performance" scheme being BS.
               | 
               | There shouldn't be anything wrong with someone just doing
               | their job for the salary. If their performance falls
               | below what's expected (and clearly defined) for their
               | level, then that's a problem. They shouldn't be penalized
               | for not doing extra work when they aren't being rewarded.
               | 
               | Employers need to have compensation models that make
               | sense too. I was once told I could get a promotion if I
               | consistently worked 1 hour longer everyday. That's a 13%
               | increase in hours for a 7% pay raise, for a position with
               | more responsibility and expectations. These managers are
               | either idiots or predators - anyone with an MBA should
               | understand that's a shitty value proposition. Either way,
               | they lost my respect.
        
               | bumby wrote:
               | I think you hit on some very important points, but
               | there's a couple issues. For one, not every singular duty
               | can clearly defined. That's why many job descriptions
               | will have a clause like "and other duties as assigned."
               | Ultimately, we're hiring teammates in order to solve
               | problems. I want to work with people who try to solve
               | those problems irrespective if it adds to their personal
               | identity or was meticulously defined in their job
               | posting. If people are actively seeking out and solving
               | problems, that's not the same as the transactional
               | mindset I'm talking about. That mindset tends to actively
               | avoid problems because they are work or "not their job".
               | That's also not the same as framing the issue of "if you
               | work X more, you'll get paid Y more".
               | 
               | That time-transaction mindset leads to exactly what you
               | alluded to. "If I spend 13% more time here, I should get
               | 13% more pay." What that doesn't say is if those 13% more
               | hours were spend solving previously unsolved issues for
               | the organization.
        
               | giantg2 wrote:
               | "If people are actively seeking out and solving problems,
               | that's not the same as the transactional mindset I'm
               | talking about."
               | 
               | At least at my company, there's no differentiation. I do
               | look for problems to solve. I have volunteered for extra
               | roles and responsibilities that others didn't want. So
               | why do the the people that are too smart to take on the
               | role of application security champion for the team get
               | promoted, while those security champions are passed over?
               | 
               | It seems you're describing that engagement is better than
               | transactional mindset. That's true from the employer's
               | perspective. That's only true from the employee's
               | perspective if the employer is rewarding that.
               | 
               | The promotion I was talking about was brought up because
               | I was already performing at the next level and was
               | engaged- filling the lead role for the team the prior
               | year and volunteering for additional projects. So yeah,
               | the problems and work that I did would have gone undone
               | or the team's work would be uncoordinated.
               | 
               | 'That time-transaction mindset leads to exactly what you
               | alluded to. "If I spend 13% more time here, I should get
               | 13% more pay."'
               | 
               | To be real, that's the _company 's_ mindset that they
               | should require you to work an extra 13% for a 7% raise, a
               | rate decrease. The _defined_ expectations for that next
               | level are demonstratably higher. Arguably those higher
               | expectations should be matched with a higher _rate_ not a
               | lower one. This concept is critical to understand
        
               | bumby wrote:
               | > _So why do the the people that are too smart to take on
               | the role of application security champion for the team
               | get promoted, while those security champions are passed
               | over?_
               | 
               | To put it bluntly, it's likely because the company
               | doesn't value solving security as much as you may think
               | they should. Solving problems is the same as solving
               | valuable problems. If your goal is to be promotable, the
               | problems you should solve should be as close as possible
               | to the items your company values the most. Unfortunately,
               | things like quality and security are not often valued
               | until after things go wrong.
               | 
               | > _The defined expectations for that next level are
               | demonstratably higher._
               | 
               | Maybe I'm misreading this, but it sure seems like you're
               | saying the performance for the higher pay is above and
               | beyond what you're currently doing. Now whether those
               | expectations are above what you're willing to do for the
               | pay is a personal decision.
               | 
               | > _That 's only true from the employee's perspective if
               | the employer is rewarding that._
               | 
               | This is probably where we fundamentally disagree. I think
               | employees also benefit from being engaged. I've worked
               | with people on assembly lines who were engaged with work
               | that most would find monotonous. Instead of finding the
               | work some tedium to be put up with, they actually found
               | ways of getting personal fulfillment out of it. Same goes
               | for low-status jobs elsewhere I've worked. I think your
               | sentiment here is really what underlies unhappiness with
               | work and you'd eventually find the same regardless of how
               | handsomely you'd get paid.
               | 
               | Everything you've outlined at this point seems to
               | indicate you work at a company that has a culture that is
               | misaligned with what you're after. But you also aren't
               | willing to take a risk of changing that. I doubt there
               | are any silver bullets here that will make some magic
               | happen without professional or personal risk.
        
       | ilikehurdles wrote:
       | > Install a swipe keyboard app
       | 
       | iPhone keyboards have built-in swipe typing now.
        
       | rwoerz wrote:
       | Oh irony, a post about overcoming distraction gets 232+ comments.
        
       | leobg wrote:
       | Isn't it funny how much attention these anti-procrastination
       | posts are getting on essentially a procrastination site?
       | 
       | (Tongue in cheek! I love HN. I just know that I sometimes do
       | abuse it as a procrastination device.)
        
         | vosper wrote:
         | Just in case people don't realise: HN has a built-in anti-
         | procrastination feature. You can set it in your profile. I have
         | mine setup so that I can spend 10 minutes on HN every 2 hours.
        
         | mr90210 wrote:
         | Where would you go if you wanted to target procrastinators?
        
         | II2II wrote:
         | When it comes to HN, I definitely have mixed feelings about the
         | procrastination aspect. Yet I am unwilling to drop it since
         | there are stories that I am genuinely interested in and make
         | life better. So it is a net positive in my books.
        
         | atmosx wrote:
         | It's also funny how all these posts are so "western" in style:
         | 'Hey look at me, I did something a bit difficult for 3 days,
         | now I am a guru!'
         | 
         | Not trying to knock the author but the time window is simply
         | too small and this approach is simply too common online. Let's
         | see if the author can actually change lifestyle for more than 5
         | years and then we can discuss about "lessons learned".
        
           | WaitWaitWha wrote:
           | Many Asian, North African, and Middle Eastern countries
           | struggle with similar problems. And, this is not even
           | developed/developing nations. I see it in economically poor
           | or non-industrialized countries too.
        
           | marcinreal wrote:
           | This is a bit harsh; the article does contain a lot of useful
           | advice. I myself implemented many of these tips about two
           | years ago, and am still going strong. I do fall off the wagon
           | here and there and get sucked into my phone, especially when
           | I'm avoiding something in real life, but I really value
           | having minimal notifications. I also love focus modes (though
           | I've only known about them for about a year I think) -- great
           | for working, sleeping, and overall mental health. But I would
           | stress this important point: if you have trouble implementing
           | these steps, there may be a bigger issue in your life that
           | you're avoiding.
        
           | ninkendo wrote:
           | What does that have to do with being "western"?
        
             | Barrin92 wrote:
             | the self-help and productivity genre does have a uniquely
             | American bent (more so than Western I'd say), these blog
             | posts always read like some form of digital Protestantism,
             | they do love their busywork. Immediately jumping to
             | thinking you're procrastinating, rather than say
             | contemplating when you're not churning out one book per
             | year is an attitude you won't find everywhere.
        
               | leobg wrote:
               | Well put. That focus on "productivity" also has something
               | of what Nietzsche called the "slave mentality". That
               | belief that you're worth only what you produce, like a
               | cow. I actually subscribe to this reductionist belief
               | myself in many ways - but it's an easy target to feel
               | smug about when reflected back by somebody else out there
               | preaching it as gospel.
        
               | fleddr wrote:
               | I think this doesn't do the intentions of the author much
               | justice. He clearly explained how his addictions
               | destroyed his ability to focus on any task at all, no
               | matter how much value you place on that task.
               | 
               | Reading a book or watching a TV series uninterrupted are
               | hardly ambitious or productive tasks, yet entire
               | generations now can't focus on such "lengthy" task.
        
         | jpeter wrote:
         | Hacker News doesn't count because i am "learning something",
         | even though i can't recall a single thing I read today
        
           | sockaddr wrote:
           | Hah. Yeah it feels like the knowledge I gain here most often
           | is just further training of my "intuition module" with little
           | to nothing discrete being committed to memory.
        
           | SV_BubbleTime wrote:
           | My parents use the same argument about social media.
           | 
           | "Facebook doesn't count because I only use it to keep track
           | of what people I know are doing."
           | 
           | That has to be right up there with the number of times I have
           | heard "I don't use Facebook, I only use Instagram".
        
             | mtgx wrote:
        
             | eastbound wrote:
             | "I just watch this TV show because I want to witness how
             | stupid TV can get."
        
       | [deleted]
        
       | freediver wrote:
       | I collection of links and quotes on stop reading "news"
       | 
       | We are what we read: https://tinygem.org/about#stopnews
       | 
       | Entire TinyGem service was created with the purpose of collecting
       | content worth reading.
        
       | mingusrude wrote:
       | I recently switched Twitter to strictly timeline and that pretty
       | much fixed Twitter for me. I still use it but it no more doom-
       | scrolling.
        
       | ph1p wrote:
       | the "zero news diet" should really be done more often. For
       | myself, it would be "zero Twitter diet".
        
         | jansan wrote:
         | I put Twitter on my router's domain blacklist. The only way for
         | me to read Twitter is through nitter.net, which is not much fun
         | and readonly, so there is no risk to get addicted.
        
         | Kiro wrote:
         | Zero HN diet would be the most effective.
        
         | cocoflunchy wrote:
         | I managed to completely stop using Twitter by removing all my
         | follows. Then when I'd mindlessly open twitter I'd be presented
         | with a blank screen. After a few days I just stopped opening
         | it.
        
           | throwaway4aday wrote:
           | This is a very smart strategy. You effectively trained
           | yourself that there was no reward to be had from the
           | behaviour and so broke the habit. Someone should make a
           | browser extension that does this for other sites, essentially
           | allows the masthead and other boring trim to load but removes
           | all of the content.
        
             | ben_w wrote:
             | The browser extension kinda already exists -- I've
             | accidentally done that to a few sites with Adblock Plus.
        
       | Zanneth wrote:
       | Aaron Swartz wrote a blog post about the news[1] and just how
       | terrible it is for the brain. Reading his post had a major impact
       | on me--since then I have always thought differently about the
       | time I spend online.
       | 
       | It's interesting how people, including myself, try to justify
       | various addictions. How am I supposed to stay informed about
       | important topics without the news? How do I know how to help
       | people in need without knowing what's going on? There are much,
       | much better ways than reading CNN/NYTimes every day. Also, there
       | really is nothing new about the human condition today compared to
       | a hundred years ago.
       | 
       | [1] http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/hatethenews
        
         | tootie wrote:
         | Man, I don't get it. News is bad for you so become deliberately
         | ignorant? Don't get distracted by the world so you can work
         | more? It's like saying traffic lights distract you from
         | driving.
        
           | edub wrote:
           | I can't square it either. Lets say that you live in a world
           | where rich people want to control the narrative by making
           | entertaining news shows to distract the populace from what is
           | important, but needed a way to trick the people that sought
           | to dig deeper from more authoritative sources that are less
           | TV-entertainy... then I think it would make sense to tell the
           | people that are digging deeper that it is bad for them and
           | they should stop paying attention to the news for their own
           | mental health and productivity.
           | 
           | I recognized that I was over consuming the news during the
           | Trump presidency and needed a reset, and decided to not spend
           | any more time reading the news than the short summaries that
           | Axios posts and ignore all other forms (including John
           | Oliver, although I do still watch Closer Look).
           | 
           | It appears that my actions and aspirations don't seem to be
           | making the world a better place, but it is too depressing a
           | thought to think that the best thing for me to do is be
           | ignorant to the bad things in the world.
           | 
           | I plan on trying out subscribing to Delayed Gratification to
           | see if that is a better path. https://www.slow-
           | journalism.com/
        
           | fleddr wrote:
           | There's a lot of wiggle room between sane consumption and
           | addiction. And addiction is becoming the norm. I'd add that
           | even if you were to consume no news at all, you'd still get
           | the summary of it one way or another.
           | 
           | I'll now continue with my hot take: being informed, even
           | being an expert, on anything outside your field of work is
           | overrated, if not useless.
           | 
           | Say you've been following the recent war in great depth. Or
           | the pandemic. Or US politics. You've invested hundreds of
           | hours reading about it and have developed an understanding
           | far above average.
           | 
           | Now what? What are you going to do with it? Debate online, a
           | lost cause? What is the tangible benefit of understanding
           | without purpose?
        
           | JacobThreeThree wrote:
           | Agreed. People just want their worldview spoon-fed to them.
           | Once they realize that it's not healthy, it's too daunting to
           | actually put in the effort needed to construct their own
           | worldview and apply it to their life, thus the head-in-sand
           | ignorance approach.
           | 
           | I'm surprised Aaron Swartz, of all people, had this view.
        
             | dageshi wrote:
             | No, they just realise it's not productive anymore. It's a
             | time sink that pushes misery and drama into your life
             | without any practical way to do anything about it.
             | 
             | I don't think the human mind is designed to absorb all the
             | worlds ills and misery, the news amplifies the worst of
             | what's going on in the world and delivers it to you minute
             | by minute, the only rational way of dealing with it is to
             | either cut it out or become unspeakably cynical about it
             | all.
        
               | ben_w wrote:
               | I realised a long time ago that even shedding merely a
               | single tear every time an evil deed is done would lead to
               | dying of dehydration in one's sleep.
               | 
               | I mostly try to cut out the news, but the options are not
               | limited to _just_ cutting it out or becoming cynical: an
               | ex went into politics with a genuine desire to make the
               | world right. She is (or was) Green Party (US), so not
               | making much progress, but it is at least a different
               | path.
               | 
               | I definitely agree our minds aren't fit for this world:
               | more people online than heartbeats in our lifetimes,
               | combined with a psychology that treats a list of more
               | than 7-ish items as infinite.
        
           | maccard wrote:
           | > News is bad for you so become deliberately ignorant?
           | 
           | I actively avoid news (to the point of changing channels on
           | the TV and Radio when it comes on), and yet somehow I still
           | managed to be kept aware of what's going on, and avoid being
           | ignorant.
           | 
           | > It's like saying traffic lights distract you from driving.
           | 
           | It's actually more like saying every pedestrian in a city is
           | going to jump in front of you when you're driving. You can be
           | aware of pedestrians, cars, bikes, and be a careful
           | considerate driver without needing to fear that every person
           | is trying to jump in front of your car, in the same way that
           | you can be an informed person without getting daily updates
           | on the top 10 stories in the UK right now.
        
           | koonsolo wrote:
           | I much rather want to talk to the person who reads books
           | written by experts, than to talk to the person who watches
           | the news every day.
           | 
           | I'm sorry but there just isn't any comparison. Have you ever
           | read news about something you are an expert at? It's just
           | laughable inaccurate.
           | 
           | News is entertainment, not information. If you want
           | information, read a book written by an expert at the field.
        
             | tootie wrote:
             | News is as much about breadth as depth. There's relevant
             | news on topics I'm never going to read a book about. And a
             | lot of news is very much written by experts and a lot books
             | written by biased cranks.
        
             | misterprime wrote:
             | Also, if you engage with someone who consumes from a
             | different news bubble than you do, it's incredibly
             | irritating, while engaging with someone who consumes from
             | the same news bubble as you is incredibly boring.
        
           | aeze wrote:
           | Reading news that will have little to zero impact on your
           | life takes away time you can spend doing more meaningful
           | activities. It doesn't just have to be 'work'. It can be
           | hobbies, spending time with your kids, whatever you want.
        
             | tootie wrote:
             | Not all news is global. And besides we all vote. I hope. Do
             | you live your life with no perspective of your world?
        
           | landemva wrote:
           | More time to play in white water river parks and more time
           | well wasted on ski lifts. I sometimes chat with tourists and
           | listen when they tell me what is important to them.
           | 
           | 'Deliberately ignorant' is your value judgment. Spend some
           | time in rural eastern Europe, and the perspective changes for
           | the better. Media propaganda is simply unimportant.
        
             | tootie wrote:
             | I don't understand this at all. Work and family restrict my
             | travel. Reading news on my phone is inherently portable.
             | And I'm not sure what visiting rural Easter Europe is
             | supposed to prove. A lot of it is engulfed in war and I
             | can't imagine those people are better off being completely
             | ignorant of what Russia is doing. Certainly many of them
             | are to everyone else's detriment. Media propaganda is
             | obviously a bad thing, but reading credible news isn't.
             | Unless you want to descend into abject solipsism
        
               | ben_w wrote:
               | Are you going to do anything about the war in eastern
               | Europe?
               | 
               | If the news causes no change in your actions, you might
               | as well have put a small pebble in front of the phone and
               | had it, instead of your eyes, absorb the photons emitted
               | by the screen.
        
               | fleddr wrote:
               | I think this is a brilliant remark, although it likely
               | will be taken the wrong way.
               | 
               | I've personally come to the conclusion that us humans
               | aren't designed to take on the misery of the entire human
               | population, and that we should stop projecting this
               | assumption.
               | 
               | If there's no difference between caring and not caring,
               | we should be quite a lot more humble in virtue signaling,
               | or best just shut up.
        
               | landemva wrote:
               | You suggest I do what? I could talk to people about two
               | decades of NATO encroachment on (shall not be spoken) R.
               | Or discuss with people how in the weeks prior to
               | conflict, VP Harris was in Munich and said Ukraine should
               | join NATO. Or discuss how comedian and Vogue model
               | Zelinsky said Ukraine should re-acquire nuclear weapons.
               | While true, none of those fit the rythmn of the
               | mainstream narrative.
        
               | tootie wrote:
               | I'm not sure what you're getting at aside from asserting
               | Russian propaganda. Ukraine has every right join NATO and
               | if Russia thinks that's a provocation then they should
               | take a look in the mirror. NATO isn't a mutual defense
               | association, not an anti-Russia club. The only reason
               | they think so is because they keep invading countries.
        
               | landemva wrote:
               | February 20 Zelensky in Munich started to talk back the
               | 1994 no-nukes agreement.
               | https://www.farsnews.ir/en/news/14001201000618/Ukraine-
               | Threa...
               | 
               | https://treaties.un.org/Pages/showDetails.aspx?objid=0800
               | 000...
               | 
               | Donbas vote on self-autonomy has curiously not been
               | allowed. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-49903996
               | 
               | "Proposed in 2016 by Germany's then-foreign minister,
               | Frank-Walter Steinmeier, the plan details free and fair
               | elections in the east under Ukrainian law, verification
               | by the OSCE international security organisation, and then
               | self-governing status in return."
               | 
               | 'Ukraine has every right join NATO ...'
               | 
               | Maybe. Just as Cuba had every right to host USSR nuclear
               | missiles in 1962?
               | 
               | 'Why the hell would Ukraine join NATO? I thought Russia
               | was their brother?'
               | 
               | Yes, eastern Ukraine aligns with R. Western Ukraine hates
               | R. The movie 'Mr. Jones' may enlighten you about the
               | starvation, and the NYT propaganda at the time.
        
               | tootie wrote:
               | Maybe Nazi Germany had a right to the Sudetenland? You
               | can't just make these assertions as though we're talking
               | hypothetically. Maybe in 2019 you could pass this bs but
               | now that Russia went and invaded and is indiscriminately
               | killing and kidnapping civilians it's beyond question
               | that Russia is an unequivocal bad guy and Ukraine missed
               | a chance to better protect themselves because Europe was
               | too timid.
        
               | ben_w wrote:
               | Fun fact: the USSR asked to join NATO.
        
               | koonsolo wrote:
               | Well, joining NATO at this point seems like a wise
               | decision, don't you agree? If you want to call it "NATO
               | encroachment on Russia", why doesn't Russia attack NATO
               | then?
               | 
               | Why the hell would Ukraine join NATO? I thought Russia
               | was their brother? Any idea why they would want to join
               | NATO? Ah! Maybe it's because they don't want to be
               | invaded by the brother neighbour that likes to invade
               | little countries around them.
               | 
               | NATO expansion is Russia's fault, don't be stupid and
               | claim otherwise. Look at how this war already quickly
               | expanded NATO.
               | 
               | Keep listening to your Russian propaganda.
        
               | ben_w wrote:
               | I'm suggesting you limit your news to things which are
               | actionable rather than affective.
        
               | spacemark wrote:
               | Yes, deliberate ignorance pendulum swings too far. Of
               | course "free" information is not very useful because
               | someone else is paying for it, motivated by their
               | interests not yours. So do the adult thing and don't
               | throw up your hands and give up, instead pay just a bit
               | for useful information. That way you know a bit more
               | about who is funding it and why.
        
           | JoshCole wrote:
           | Rhetoric is a dangerous sword - its sharpest edge is the
           | pommel. You seem to think you've pointed out a logical
           | inconsistency in Aaron's argument structure. What you
           | actually did was propose that news does not exist; actually,
           | that information itself doesn't exist.
           | 
           | In the actual argument they claimed that news wasn't the best
           | information source in an argmax over sources on the basis
           | that other mediums have selective pressures which more
           | strongly correlate with utility generation - partly because
           | of medium influences and partly because things which aren't
           | new are subject to selective pressures for longer and thus
           | the filtering mechanism of that selective pressure is more
           | discriminating.
           | 
           | You aren't engaging with that argument, but you act like you
           | are. So when you claim that no information is the alternative
           | proposition you've actually made a mathematical claim: that
           | the count(set{news, **other_sources}) == 0. This is clearly
           | nonsensical because the minimum size of the argmax over
           | information sources necessarily included news and so was
           | obviously at least one, but often more. So your basically
           | asking people who would agree with you on the basis of your
           | argument to take on the claim that 0=N. Yet if it does then
           | it follows that news doesn't exist in the set where you only
           | get to choose news. So they have to not only believe that you
           | are right, but also that news is not a source that they can
           | choose, but this contradicts your premise.
           | 
           | Some questions to ponder to help you get it:
           | 
           | 1. Why aren't you trying to refute the existence of evolution
           | and natural selection?
           | 
           | 2. Why aren't you trying to disprove that approximation
           | accuracy is a function of the computation that goes into the
           | approximation?
           | 
           | If you _really_ thought you were right you would be trying to
           | tear down the works of Charles Darwin and would be laughing
           | at Donald Knuth for the stupidity of classifying things by
           | computational complexity. Yet you aren 't.
        
         | mtnygard wrote:
         | I hadn't seen that post before. This paragraph hit me as a
         | tragic irony:
         | 
         | 'This seems to be true, but the curious thing is that I'm never
         | involved. The government commits a crime, the New York Times
         | prints it on the front page, the people on the cable chat shows
         | foam at the mouth about it, the government apologizes and
         | commits the crime more subtly. It's a valuable system -- I
         | certainly support the government being more subtle about
         | committing crimes (well, for the sake of argument, at least) --
         | but you notice how it never involves me?'
        
           | Balgair wrote:
           | Kinda like the Murry Gell-Mann Amnesia Effect
           | 
           | https://loricism.fandom.com/wiki/Gell-Mann_Amnesia_Effect
        
           | Buttons840 wrote:
           | Plus, whatever the news is talking about endlessly this week
           | will most likely be far down the list of important events
           | come next voting seasons (or whatever milestone is important
           | to you).
        
       | khaledh wrote:
       | For me, the zero news diet would be really hard to apply to HN.
       | Any suggestions (in addition to noprocrast)?
        
         | pacifika wrote:
         | Use one of the Havkernews Digest services to get a periodic
         | email. Fomo is the biggest reason for me to keep checking back.
        
         | pella wrote:
         | try check only 1x weekly AND only the "top 10%"
         | 
         | go https://hckrnews.com/ -> set "top 10%"
        
           | khaledh wrote:
           | I've seen this one before, but never tried it. I'll give it a
           | try. Thanks!
        
       | hvs wrote:
       | As someone with serious concentration issues (unless I'm
       | hyperfocused, I may have undiagnosed ADHD) I found the _biggest_
       | help for me was cutting out caffeine.
        
         | barking_biscuit wrote:
         | hmm... caffeine actually helps for ADHD as it's a stimulant. I
         | can only take my meds on weekdays and I've pretty much had life
         | long addiction to either coke, pepsi or red-bull. When I
         | started taking effective medication I basically stopped
         | drinking caffeinated drinks. Just don't need it. I can't take
         | my meds on the weekends, and virtually always I go get
         | something with caffeine in it to help.
        
           | lazide wrote:
           | _it depends_ - caffeine uses different receptors than are
           | helpful for many people with ADHD, and since it isn't managed
           | by someone outside, it's easy to get big swings of usage or
           | other problems due to, well ADHD.
           | 
           | It's common that folks with ADHD will use Caffeine, it just
           | doesn't work as well as other stimulants for many people.
        
           | hvs wrote:
           | As I said, I _may_ have ADHD as I have a lot of the classic
           | symptoms, but I have a daughter with diagnosed ADHD and I do
           | not have nearly as significant symptoms as she does. All I
           | know is cutting caffeine improved my general concentration
           | and significantly decreased my anxiety as a bonus.
        
             | toyg wrote:
             | As a person completely unqualified to diagnose anything but
             | with similar problems, I suspect the real root of your
             | issue might just be the anxiety. If you could address the
             | roots of that, caffeine would probably become irrelevant.
        
               | cja wrote:
               | Untreated ADHD is a common cause of anxiety
        
         | rr888 wrote:
         | Me too, mild sedative helps, like after a beer I can finally
         | concentrate. Makes RTO a problem. :)
        
         | saos wrote:
         | Even tea? :(
        
           | gatane wrote:
           | I stopped drinking tea and my daily anxiety halved :)
        
           | hvs wrote:
           | You might be able to get away with a cup of tea every once in
           | a while, but I tend to be an "in for a penny in for a pound"
           | type of person, so it's complete elimination or 4-5 cups of
           | coffee for me.
        
         | swah wrote:
         | Was this on the short term?
        
           | hvs wrote:
           | No, it's complete. I was drinking 4-5 cups of coffee a day
           | and my brain was a cluttered mess. Now it's just mildly
           | cluttered.
        
             | EForEndeavour wrote:
             | On a much smaller time scale, I _have_ noticed that when I
             | skip my usual morning coffee (say, running out of coffee,
             | going for a run with an accountability buddy, or traveling
             | and staying in a  "coffee desert"), I feel remarkably
             | clear-minded and calm, even though I crave the smell,
             | taste, experience of coffee. When I let it last, this
             | mental calmness lasts until early afternoon, when I'd
             | usually get coffee #2 of 2, as the dull withdrawal headache
             | sets in and I chemotactically writhe my way toward
             | increasingly desperate sources of caffeine.
             | 
             | I've been drinking at least 2 cups of coffee ("cups" is a
             | fuzzy measure) for maybe 15 years. Maybe I should power
             | through the withdrawal and discover for myself if I've
             | accidentally been undermining my mental clarity and life
             | quality this whole time, instead of giving myself energy
             | and helping concentration as I'd been assuming.
        
       | kzrdude wrote:
       | I don't think there is a silver bullet or a tick box solution.
       | You have to want to stop. Change your behaviour.
        
         | TimTheTinker wrote:
         | Sometimes there really is - for people who want to focus but
         | find it frustratingly difficult because of their brain
         | chemistry (ADHD or whatever).
         | 
         | For me, it's sleeping enough, nicotine patches, green tea,
         | L-Tyrosine, Avmacol, and no coffee. This regimen has helped me
         | improve my work performance significantly. It doesn't "fix"
         | everything, but it sure makes it so much easier to function and
         | to focus what I want to focus on.
        
           | kzrdude wrote:
           | That sounds great, I've certainly too gone through a better
           | sleep period where I focused on better sleep - no coffee for
           | two years and lots of other measures like that. And it works.
           | That's not a silver bullet, that's hard work. :)
        
             | ge96 wrote:
             | For the last couple of years my sleep pattern has been
             | crazy. Sometimes I would stay up two days in a row to rest
             | my sleep pattern back to 9-5 schedule. I preferred to be
             | sleep deprived as it made my job more interesting.
             | 
             | But lately (since a month ago) I have been thankfully able
             | to maintain a 12/1-8:30 range sleep pattern.
             | 
             | I do a 15 min workout 5 days a week. I have been fasting so
             | I eat a big meal a couple hours before sleeping. Read a
             | book half an hour before sleep.
             | 
             | So far it's been working. Fasting is weight loss reasons.
             | Also helps me personally focus since if I eat too much I
             | get lazy/tired.
             | 
             | Other thing I'll comment on is regarding personal projects.
             | I lay out a plan, when the day begins (weekend) I don't
             | open anything (social media) I just immediately work on
             | this project. Thankfully I can dump the most of the weekend
             | days toward the project.
        
         | Kye wrote:
         | [deleted]
        
           | [deleted]
        
           | fuzzfactor wrote:
           | If you have trouble doing this on your own, an alternative
           | often not considered is going away to camp for the summer.
        
       | synergy20 wrote:
       | Block websites will help definitely.
       | 
       | another "threat" is when you have a few kids, your daily life is
       | cut into pieces with random and sometimes strong background
       | noises 24x7x365, not much you can do there.
       | 
       | personally, that impacts my focus the most and there is no cure,
       | and it usually lasts for about 20 years when kids are finally
       | into colleges.
       | 
       | obviously there are many good stuff out of raising kids, and I
       | enjoyed it, but focus-on-tech-advancement is not one of them.
        
         | koheripbal wrote:
         | This is why many people with kids want to physically return to
         | the office - fewer distractions.
        
           | jader201 wrote:
           | I've WFH for the past 8+ years, my kids are now 18 and 15 (so
           | they were 10 and 7 when I started WFH).
           | 
           | They can definitely be a distraction, but I was able to
           | minimize it by having an office with a door + setting
           | reasonable boundaries. Also, they're out of the house at
           | school for many hours (except for COVID -- that was a bit
           | tougher, but that was the case for everyone).
           | 
           | I have no regrets. One of the reasons I WFH is to have less
           | time on the road and more time w/ family. My oldest has said
           | that he's glad I WFH, and that he didn't like me being away
           | when he was younger.
           | 
           | Of course, every person/family is different. But for me & my
           | family, I think minimizing the distractions in other ways
           | while WFH + accepting the remaining distractions was worth it
           | in the end.
        
           | watwut wrote:
           | Among my peer, parents want to work from home. Single
           | childless people want to be in office.
        
           | treyfitty wrote:
           | My kids leave me alone at home. My PMs at work however...
        
           | ChrisPebble wrote:
           | Anecdotally all but one of the parents I know (including
           | myself) prefer working remotely. I tried to find if there
           | were any survey results and found a survey by Harris Poll on
           | behalf of Zapier that said that "56 percent of parents want
           | the option to work remotely" [1].
           | 
           | I have a private office in our home and know that's not a
           | luxury for many others, but the quality of life as a parent
           | working from home vs being in the office is dramatic. With
           | the kids home during the summer the noise and distraction
           | levels do go up, but honestly are still less bothersome then
           | the open office floor plan I was in previously. I think it
           | really depends on your home situation as well as how your
           | office was setup, but my guess is that a majority of parents
           | would prefer remote positions if available.
           | 
           | [1] https://zapier.com/blog/remote-work-report-by-zapier/
        
         | [deleted]
        
         | mberning wrote:
         | Having kids in the house is like being in a damn WWI trench
         | with shells exploding over your head constantly. Ok, maybe not
         | that bad, but it's horrible for your ability to get anything
         | meaningful done. And then by the time they hit the sack and you
         | finally have a few moments peace, you are worn out and ready to
         | hit the sack yourself. My ability to burn the midnight oil has
         | gone to zero basically.
        
           | subpixel wrote:
           | I find that when I regularly exercise and don't drink at
           | dinner I can put kid to bed and have a few more hours
           | available. But - big but - spending that evening time working
           | has become anathema to me.
           | 
           | The best rule I've put in place is work happens during the
           | day or it doesn't happen.
        
         | 1-6 wrote:
         | I'm curious because I've had kids early. Will I ever be able to
         | catch up with peers who've decided their focus would be on
         | their job and forego having children later in life?
        
           | insightcheck wrote:
           | I'd like to question the premise that you have to "catch up"
           | with peers, and that comparisons make sense. Especially in
           | the private sector, career growth isn't solely dependent on
           | technical skills.
           | 
           | Some peers can get big career boosts due to nepotism or
           | networking and switching companies. Others leave a large
           | company, giving up the chance of promotions to senior
           | management, and create their own startup or join another at a
           | senior level for advancement. Other people change industries
           | and start at a junior position. Yet others decide to work a
           | stable job for lesser pay, maybe at certain departments or
           | agencies in the public sector.
           | 
           | I honestly don't see where competition with peers becomes a
           | factor, so long as you're working enough to maintain valuable
           | skills that hiring managers and organizations are looking
           | for.
        
           | lampshades wrote:
           | I don't think you will. I don't think I will either. I've
           | stopped caring about career advancement because it's a fools
           | errand for me.
           | 
           | Competing with single people is incredibly depressing. (I
           | have to find a way out of this hell hole, I hate tech)
        
           | sethammons wrote:
           | I had my first kid at 15; are you that early? It was a rough
           | start. Mom and I are still together 24 years later. We played
           | life on hard mode and I don't recommend it. I got a near full
           | academic ride to a university but had trouble getting books
           | and supplies. My wife worked mostly as a waitress at first.
           | After several attempts at different jobs, I landed as a
           | software developer. I was in my 30s before we could save a
           | penny. I make a couple hundred grand a year now and can buy
           | my (now three) kids what they need and want and my retirement
           | account is healthy
        
           | tylermac1 wrote:
           | You will get out of your career what you put into it. I had
           | kids at 24/26 and have found success relative to my peers in
           | the field.
           | 
           | Sure there are sacrifices to be made with respect to career
           | options. You can't (or shouldn't) just move cities every
           | three years when a new job comes up, but working remotely can
           | level that playing field quite a bit.
        
           | rvba wrote:
           | It depends.
           | 
           | The "mid" positions often require a grind. For example to get
           | a skill.
           | 
           | The "top" positions often are a new set of hoops that you
           | need to jump. First you need to actually get the position:
           | what sometimes is about who you know, sometimes about what
           | you do, sometimes sheer luck (e.g. those above you quit) or
           | by just grinding and applying everywhere. Also at some point
           | a new hoop are sales. Nobody cares that you cant do your job
           | if you can bring in new customers worth millions.
           | 
           | In many ways life is pure luck. If you choose the right
           | company you can get options and become a millionaire while
           | someone better will rot in a failed startup (If you are in
           | Europe you are out of luck - generally no options).
           | 
           | Maybe you start a company while you are still relatively
           | young? Many did. Many failed. There are also those
           | motivational lists who show billionaires who started a
           | company after a certain age.
           | 
           | I was thinking of writing a book about this, but I am not
           | sure if there is a market for that. Since what I wrote above
           | sounds a lot like those sharlatan self help books.
        
             | insightcheck wrote:
             | You can write a longform blog post and submit it to HN, I
             | would read it. Ribbonfarm's "The Gervais Principle" (2009)
             | [0] is a top example of a very long blog post split over
             | multiple parts, yet insightful enough to be shared widely
             | on HN and still provoke thought, long after a first read.
             | 
             | [0] https://www.ribbonfarm.com/2009/10/07/the-gervais-
             | principle-...
        
           | tiahura wrote:
           | It depends on your wife. If both of you work, then probably
           | not.
        
             | cortesoft wrote:
             | The commenter could be the wife. Or it could be two men
        
           | sanedigital wrote:
           | Maybe. Maybe not. But no matter what those other people do,
           | they'll never ever be able to get more youthful, energetic
           | years with their children and (hopefully) grandchildren. All
           | that money and even Elon can't buy time.
           | 
           | I had kids relatively young for a yuppie male (27) and while
           | that was 100% the "right time" I would have done it earlier
           | if I had known how great they are.
        
             | yao420 wrote:
             | I'm really struggling with this right now.
             | 
             | I'm turning 33 next month and really want children. I have
             | endless memories of my dad and grandfathers teaching me
             | amazing lessons and being best/strongest men I have ever
             | been around. I want to fulfill that role that for someone!
             | We didn't have much money but camping or diy building is
             | something fondly reminisce on and made me who I am.
             | 
             | My partner is 25 and is not decided on children yet due to
             | also growing up poor and and having a rougher realationship
             | with their fam. We've lived together a year now but she
             | recently got an IUD and was happy about the '10 years of
             | freedom'.
             | 
             | To her kids is a 'probably after I finish all my
             | goals/traveling'.
             | 
             | We were recently vacationing in Barcelona and met 3 young
             | boys at the hotel and played a game of uno with them in the
             | lobby. They lived in the Bay Area and I imagine their
             | parents were techies, they were indian, 6-12yrs, long hair,
             | well spoken, had skateboards, and wearing tie dye.
             | 
             | I CANNOT stop thinking about them.
             | 
             | I'm considering an ultimatum but I love her so much.
             | 
             | Sorry for the rant HN, I just needed somewhere to say it.
        
               | insightcheck wrote:
               | The biggest concern is that there doesn't seem to be a
               | concrete end goal for when you can have children. From
               | what you've written, your partner is 25, has an IUD, and
               | communicated that she doesn't want children for the next
               | 10 years. The endpoint of "probably after I finish all my
               | goals/traveling" is so vaguely defined, that it could
               | never happen. One can spend a lifetime pursuing goals and
               | traveling.
               | 
               | You likely already considered the fertility odds, but to
               | add context, according to a resource approved by the
               | department of health for Victoria, Australia [0], the
               | odds of having a child increasingly drop from age 35
               | onwards. There are also likely risks for men trying to
               | have children after the age of 40, according to a
               | balanced article on WebMD [1].
               | 
               | Negotiation is an option besides an ultimatum, and I
               | actually think most opinions on the internet about
               | relationships go for breakups far too soon. You have
               | valid concerns that you can address with negotiation; in
               | specific:
               | 
               | 1) There is no clarity for the timeline of having kids
               | (10 years plus after a vague goal of reaching all other
               | goals of your partner).
               | 
               | 2) From the tone of your partner, it's possible she
               | doesn't seem to be taking your valid concern with
               | seriousness, though perhaps serious conversations may
               | just didn't come to mind at the time you wrote your
               | comment.
               | 
               | 3) Your partner hasn't seriously discussed the fertility
               | implications of having children that late, at least from
               | the contents of your comment.
               | 
               | To compromise, consider the red lines. Would you be
               | willing to stay in the relationship without kids? If the
               | answer is "no," it's almost inevitable you will be
               | resentful and the relationship is likely to have a very
               | negative effect on your life.
               | 
               | Would your partner be willing to have kids? If the answer
               | is "no," it's also almost inevitable she will be
               | resentful if she reluctantly goes into it; if the answer
               | legitimately is "yes, but after a certain point of time,"
               | then you have room to work it out. The compromise
               | solution is to have a specific endpoint when you will try
               | for kids (with a clear "yes" for trying for children at
               | that point). If there is none, moving on may be a hard
               | decision but the right one for personal happiness for
               | both people in the long-term.
               | 
               | As with any online advice, please take this comment with
               | a huge grain of salt because there is an enormous amount
               | of information and nuance lost when communicating a
               | situation over text (or even over a conversation in
               | person). However, the main principles of compromise--
               | knowing each others' red lines, and account for possible
               | long-term resentment due to agreements favoring one side
               | disproportionately--may hopefully still be helpful. Best
               | of luck to you.
               | 
               | [0] https://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/health/conditions
               | andtrea...
               | 
               | [1] https://www.webmd.com/men/news/20141202/older-dads-
               | health
        
               | unity1001 wrote:
               | > I'm considering an ultimatum but I love her so much.
               | 
               | Dictating, forcing things is not the way to go for such
               | things. You cant force children onto an unwilling mother.
               | Its best if such things are handled amicably and with
               | consensus.
        
               | lampshades wrote:
               | You should find a new partner.
        
               | insightcheck wrote:
               | Not necessarily. There is almost always room to have a
               | discussion and to see if there can be compromise
               | acceptable to both sides first.
               | 
               | In this case, it may be acceptable to have kids at a
               | later age; in addition, there could be other related
               | concerns not mentioned in the comment (a lot of
               | information is lost when writing about something online),
               | which could make having kids acceptable.
               | 
               | Then if it's truly a red line issue (one partner
               | absolutely does not want to have kids, while the other
               | does), both people will know that they at least tried
               | very hard to work it out, and reached an understanding
               | that there could be long-term unhappiness or resentment
               | if the relationship persisted. Then there can be few to
               | no regrets with moving on, which is difficult after being
               | in a relationship for a long period of time.
        
               | Arainach wrote:
               | There is no compromise on children. Some people want
               | them, some don't. This is one of the biggest sources of
               | relationship strife and needs compatibility quickly or
               | folks should agree to part and stop wasting time.
        
               | insightcheck wrote:
               | It's not a black-and-white issue. There is compromise if
               | a person doesn't want children right now, but is
               | genuinely open to it when there is more career stability.
               | Some people may also be open to children, but not at the
               | expense of giving up one's career (some couples have
               | worked it out by having the man de-prioritize his career
               | for a while).
               | 
               | I do agree that people can waste time if a person says
               | they "don't want children right now," but really mean
               | that they "don't want children ever." In either case,
               | there is no harm to clarify this before going right to
               | breaking up over hesitations.
        
               | goblinux wrote:
               | I know the feeling. I think your best bet would be
               | sharing with her gently and honestly, and if that doesn't
               | go like you hope then looking into some couples'
               | counseling/therapy to resolve this if she's agreeable.
               | 
               | Family baggage is tough and there may be stuff she needs
               | to work on within herself too before she's ready.
               | Encouraging that is a good way to be supportive and work
               | towards the goal of kids together.
               | 
               | Strongly advise against ultimatums
        
               | ryanwaggoner wrote:
               | The worst thing you can do for yourself, your partner,
               | and your future kids would be to pressure your partner
               | into having children when she's not ready or doesn't want
               | to. Her path is her own, and it's completely valid.
               | 
               | My advice is to have an honest conversation where you try
               | to understand where she's at on this and why, without
               | trying to change it.
               | 
               | And then if you determine that she really doesn't want
               | kids, or may not ever, you might have to make a very hard
               | choice to either accept that and let go of your dream of
               | having kids, or to follow another path without her.
               | 
               | But own it as _your_ choice, without resentment. She
               | doesn't owe you a child.
        
               | 1024core wrote:
               | I met a guy who was ~ 45 or so. He had been with his
               | (then ex-) partner for 15+ years. She had wanted kids,
               | and he kept saying "next year", "not ready yet", etc.
               | Finally, at the age of 43 she gave him an ultimatum to
               | make up his mind, and he replied "nah... don't want
               | kids". She dumped him right away.
               | 
               | I met her too a little bit later, and boy, the resentment
               | was strong with her. I couldn't blame her.
               | 
               | With things like kids, please don't be wishy-washy; make
               | up your mind and set specific goals, timelines, etc. Kids
               | are an expensive investment of both money and time.
        
               | usefulcat wrote:
               | Let's say you stay together now, and 10 years from now
               | she still doesn't want children (which, for the record,
               | is very much her prerogative). What will you do?
               | 
               | If you don't split up at that point, this difference is
               | likely to become a source of resentment. You may also
               | regret not having split up earlier so that you could meet
               | someone who is a better match for you sooner.
               | 
               | This is the kind of thing that people really need to be
               | on the same page about for the relationship to be viable
               | long-term. Attitudes towards money (how much to spend,
               | save, etc) is another.
        
               | daniel-cussen wrote:
               | I read generated. Too much, too dense.
               | 
               | But let me still respond to this, as freedom of speech:
               | 
               | Leave a message for the top female executive at the
               | company she most admires. Ask your wife then leave the
               | message. Just tell them leave this message. I've heard of
               | similar messages. That executive _will_ talk to your wife
               | and _will try_ to give her the message you want to give
               | her.
               | 
               | Apparently for women once you realize you're a fertility-
               | dead-end your body takes its toll on your failure. Not
               | for men as much because a man is fertile much longer, and
               | more uncertainly, and it's more reasonable for him to be
               | a fertility-dead-end because men are better and worse
               | than women, they are a gamble by their very nature.
        
               | yoyohello13 wrote:
               | I feel you. It's a really tough place to be.
               | 
               | I'm 32 and my wife is 33, we've been together for 12
               | years. I started having the itch to have kids when I
               | turned 30, but my wife 100% doesn't want them. Choosing
               | between a life without children or leaving the person
               | I've shared my whole adult life with is intolerable.
               | 
               | All I can say is you're not alone and I wish you the
               | best.
        
           | j7ake wrote:
           | You won't beat them by absolute number of hours. However, you
           | can surpass your peers by having more focus, being more
           | organized, and thinking outside the box.
           | 
           | Anecdotal evidence: PhDs with children often are just as
           | productive if not more than those without. Most PhD students
           | are inefficient due to not focusing and thinking they
           | infinite time.
        
           | mattgreenrocks wrote:
           | It's really up to you and depends on what you want your
           | career to look like.
           | 
           | Also, be careful of playing games where people are willing to
           | give up more than you are. For me, I don't derive as much
           | meaning from a career as I thought I would, probably because
           | I put too much expectation that it would provide that.
        
             | insightcheck wrote:
             | > "For me, I don't derive as much meaning from a career as
             | I thought I would, probably because I put too much
             | expectation that it would provide that."
             | 
             | "Designing Your Life" is a book based on a Stanford course
             | on career planning that explored this idea very well. A
             | summary is at [0], and a relevant idea is that focusing on
             | one area of your life is likely not sufficient for a good
             | life. For example, over the course of a week, it can be
             | useful to make sure you are hitting goals in "work, play,
             | love, and health." It can sound like common sense, but it's
             | useful to consciously do this, especially for people
             | inclined to optimize for just work, at the expense of
             | physical health and relationships.
             | 
             | An anecdote that stuck out to me was a positive example
             | about a person who rose to a high level at a large company,
             | then kept refusing promotions because he finally struck a
             | good balance between career and having time for family. I'm
             | sure this may not always be the best idea, but I liked the
             | idea behind inclusion of the anecdote, which is that
             | continuously climbing the career ladder may not actually be
             | helpful for one's personal goals.
             | 
             | [0] https://dansilvestre.com/designing-your-life-summary/
        
               | mattgreenrocks wrote:
               | Thank you for your reply. I will try this out soon.
               | 
               | I'm already at the point where I'm uncertain if I want to
               | progress on the career ladder. Advancement in my career
               | at this point mostly means striking out on my own more
               | through product-based businesses.
        
           | AzureShill420 wrote:
           | Do you feel like there is really anything to "catch up" on?
           | 
           | I'm in my mid 30s with no kids - while I can see that my
           | career happens to be more advanced than close friends who had
           | kids early, the signal to noise ratio is pretty high.
           | 
           | I'd think about it this way: enjoy the path you've set
           | yourself on and savour the years where you have both your
           | kids and your health. When they become less dependent on you,
           | the option to lean in to a career is still available, and
           | with a few more grey hairs you probably won't have to work so
           | hard to prove yourself to begin with.
        
             | lampshades wrote:
             | Tip: don't give advice to people with kids when you don't
             | have them yourself. We don't want it because you all have
             | zero idea what we go through.
        
               | davidro80 wrote:
        
               | bravetraveler wrote:
               | Another unsolicited tip: take quality advice anywhere you
               | can get it
               | 
               | This reads harsh, so apologies if that wasn't intended.
               | Just... I feel this is more of a disservice than anything
        
               | haswell wrote:
               | Nothing about their advice is specific to the role of
               | parenting itself, but more about perspective on life
               | choices in general. If they were telling you how to be a
               | parent, sure, but there's nothing wrong with trying to
               | learn from each other's experiences.
               | 
               | Not having kids may afford some advantages in some
               | circumstances, but in my experience, the decision is
               | often made for reasons that most people don't see, and
               | not just because of career goals. I know plenty of
               | parents and non-parents, and if there's one thing I can
               | say about non-parents, rarely is career progression a
               | sufficient form of purpose / satisfaction in life. Most
               | parents I know would never trade their decision to have
               | kids for a slightly faster trip up a career ladder, but
               | that faster trip isn't necessarily real either.
               | 
               | I'm in my mid 30s, and I personally will never have kids.
               | I made this choice partially because of the environment I
               | grew up in, where I was a defacto parent for younger
               | siblings for most of my formative years. I love my
               | siblings, but simply put, I'm done parenting, and have
               | enough of my own baggage I'm still dealing with after
               | that experience. This baggage is heavy enough that work
               | is still a struggle. I may appear unencumbered to those
               | around me, but that doesn't automatically equate to more
               | bandwidth to advance my career.
               | 
               | I've found career success, yes, but not because I don't
               | have kids. If anything, my career focus impeded my
               | personal growth, so I'm working on that in my 30s.
               | 
               | Ultimately it's a tradeoff, and while some people may
               | occasionally find themselves at an advantage in some way,
               | it's unclear if this is an advantage to aspire to, or if
               | it leads to any improvement in life satisfaction.
               | 
               | If there's one thing I can say, it's that work and career
               | progression isn't really what it's cracked up to be, and
               | isn't "enough" for long.
        
               | lampshades wrote:
        
               | haswell wrote:
               | If you continued reading, you'd see the context behind
               | why I made that decision. At this point, you are not
               | making any attempt at a good faith conversation here, and
               | that's unfortunate.
               | 
               | But since I'm curious, is it the age that made you stop
               | listening?
        
               | lampshades wrote:
        
               | haswell wrote:
               | I see. It's really unclear why you're engaging in such a
               | hostile way throughout this thread, but it's really not
               | in the intended spirit of discussion here.
               | 
               | Apparently you did continue reading, but in case it
               | wasn't clear, it was an abusive environment, and sharing
               | my personal decision not to be a parent again is just my
               | attempt to share one perspective on what it means to have
               | or not have kids when working through one's career.
               | 
               | Based on what you've written elsewhere in this thread, I
               | hope you find some peace.
               | 
               | https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
        
               | lampshades wrote:
               | > It's really unclear why you're engaging in such a
               | hostile way throughout this thread
               | 
               | The depression that I previously mentioned.
        
               | pb7 wrote:
               | Coincidentally, you are seemingly the least mature person
               | in this discussion right now. Speaks somewhat to your
               | "anyone who doesn't have kids isn't an adult yet" comment
               | holding little weight. One would expect a parent to have
               | more empathy, not less, but here we are.
        
               | vkk8 wrote:
               | This is a bit crude way to put it, but maybe you're
               | right.
               | 
               | At least for me, becoming a father changed my perspective
               | on everything so much that it's almost like I'm not even
               | the same species anymore as I was before having them.
               | Sometimes people without children feel like they're not
               | even proper adults even if they are older and/or more
               | senior at work or whatever.
        
               | lampshades wrote:
               | Spot on, I'm so different now than I was then I disregard
               | anything anyone without kids says.
               | 
               | > Sometimes people without children feel like they're not
               | even proper adults
               | 
               | I feel like they're not real adults too.
        
               | ska wrote:
               | > I feel like they're not real adults too.
               | 
               | FWIW, This doesn't sound like a healthy place for you to
               | be.
               | 
               | Childless people giving parenting advice to people with
               | children is on average going to be just as off target as
               | most times where humans try to give advice without any
               | personal lived experience. It doesn't indicate anything
               | else though, prima facie.
        
               | wiseowise wrote:
               | Seek therapy now.
        
               | wiseowise wrote:
               | Are you the parent hive mind or what?
        
               | acdha wrote:
               | This reads as somewhat mean spirited, which I hope you
               | didn't intend. I thought his advice was supportive - they
               | very clearly acknowledged not being a parent but then
               | pointed out that there isn't a clear cut productivity
               | gap. That kind of reassurance seems useful since people
               | can easily tell themselves they're irrecoverably behind
               | and worry far more than is helpful.
        
               | lampshades wrote:
               | Maybe it is. You're responding to a mentally broken man.
        
               | acdha wrote:
               | That sounds rough. I hope you can find a path to
               | recovery.
        
               | jader201 wrote:
               | I'm sorry you feel broken. Virtual hugs from an internet
               | stranger.
        
               | lampshades wrote:
               | Thanks, I appreciate it.
        
       | nonrandomstring wrote:
       | Switching to text only [1] browsing changed my relationship to
       | information and vastly improved my focus while using computers. I
       | highly recommend it.
       | 
       | [1] Text mostly (90+%). Those few occasions I want to see images
       | as part of a web page it's possible to turn that on.
        
         | nunodonato wrote:
         | do you use any particular browser or extension? or do you mean
         | stuff like gopher/gemini?
        
           | b215826 wrote:
           | On Firefox, setting permissions.default.image in about:config
           | to 2 blocks all images.
           | 
           | http://kb.mozillazine.org/Permissions.default.image
        
           | nonrandomstring wrote:
           | I use w3m a fair bit, because of emacs. Also have "Links"
           | (variant of Lynx maybe) set up in some environments.
        
       | aszantu wrote:
       | may sound stupid... I recently started to test around with
       | vitamin B supplements, inspired by some NMN interview, refined
       | Vitamin B seemingly turns back age #inmice. Decided to play
       | around with the real thing first... B3 itself helps me sleep
       | better, Yeast tablets feel like coffee, a full vitamin B complex
       | seems to aleviate focus issues. For the first time in a while I'm
       | able to actually work on something without getting distracted
       | much.
       | 
       | Suffering from some adhd-like symptoms I used to be happy to be
       | distracted. Now I'm even unhappy when a coworker wants something.
       | AND I don't enjoy gaming... which is weird and frustrating
       | because I consider myself addicted to video games.
        
         | flawn wrote:
         | can you introduce me to that NMN iceberg? what the heck do
         | these people using that experience, this undoubtedly can't be
         | 100% legit
        
       | HellDunkel wrote:
       | I had a similar problem. My solution is to go offline in the
       | evening- 3 hours before going to sleep.
        
       | djohnston wrote:
       | I've managed to consolidate all my distracted news consumption to
       | HN but indeed I need to break myself from this reflexive habit.
        
         | bckr wrote:
         | I'm in the same boat! I feel better because my twitchy fingers
         | always lead to learning or discussing something new and
         | interesting, but they're still twitchy fingers.
        
       | Jeff_Brown wrote:
       | I try to keep my productivity improvements secret, because any
       | time I announce one -- especially if I also explain why it
       | happened -- I immediately falsify whatever I just said by losing
       | all focus and producing nothing of interest for a while.
        
         | rpmisms wrote:
         | This resonates deeply. It has to feel like a secret to me.
        
       | webscout wrote:
       | I use sites like https://biztoc.com once or twice a day and I'm
       | more or less done with news. Just make sure you only read the
       | headlines ;)
        
       | marcinreal wrote:
       | Great article and important message.
       | 
       | > Lifting the phone should not unlock it. This setting is called
       | "Display & Brightness/Activate on Lift" on the iPhone
       | 
       | On my phone it's called "Raise to Wake". I didn't know that you
       | could turn this off, but I just did so because it's inconsistent
       | and sometimes doesn't work. I like predictable behavior, even at
       | a minor cost to convenience.
        
       | [deleted]
        
       | endisneigh wrote:
       | Ironically this page is a great example of why it's hard to
       | focus. Unnecessary images, stylization and colors. Unnecessary
       | links to other distracting websites. Flashy flash.
        
         | pristineshatter wrote:
         | Let the man create the blog he wants to create.
        
           | dxdm wrote:
           | Maybe there's a lesson for him in that comment.
        
       | papito wrote:
       | If you want to get your life back, read Stolen Focus. It has all
       | these tips and tricks but it does a lot more - it explains _why_
       | our focus is shot, and dissects the forces behind it.
       | 
       | It's much more sinister than most people suspect.
       | 
       | https://www.amazon.com/Stolen-Focus-Attention-Think-Deeply/d...
       | 
       | I was spending hours per day on Twitter, and then I learned that
       | overusing social media _rewires_ your brain, and you essentially
       | unlearn to digest information in bigger chunks. This book will
       | horrify you, and that 's exactly what needs to be done.
       | 
       | And if a book (to listen to) is too much for you to focus on -
       | listen to Ezra Klein's interview with the author, at least:
       | https://podcasts.apple.com/nz/podcast/its-not-your-fault-you...
        
       | A4ET8a8uTh0 wrote:
       | I did not see it listed here, so I will mention Digital
       | Minimalism by Cal Newport, who, among other things, discusses
       | news in particular, but digital distractions in general and
       | proposes a way to deal with it by changing our relationship with
       | technology.
       | 
       | I am currently going through the steps proposed by him and while
       | not easy, it generally supports the point of the article.
       | 
       | That said, it is not just news.
       | 
       | edit: Just in case. No connection to the author other than being
       | a happy reader.
        
         | rr888 wrote:
         | I really like his message but I feel each of his books could be
         | a blog post. Good blog posts, but nevertheless something you
         | could read in a few minutes. Instead you have to buy/borrow a
         | $10 book, then he rubs it in by talking about how productive he
         | as he has written so many books.
        
       | pphysch wrote:
       | It should frankly be criminal to predate on user's attention to
       | the extent that most popular apps do.
       | 
       | I keep my phone on DnD 100% of the time and ruthlessly disable
       | notifications, but have a semi-smart watch that vibrates for
       | texts/calls. I'm still addicted to checking my news feeds but at
       | least they aren't literally yanking my attention.
        
       | y42 wrote:
       | I'm doomed. Did not read more than the head line.
        
       | namaria wrote:
       | Turning off all notifications on my personal phone was a life
       | changer. No longer I feel like I'm wearing an electronic collar.
       | Giving everyone who has your contact information access to your
       | attention is poison to the ability to concentrate. Another big
       | thing for me was cutting down on infinite scrolling, blogs and
       | videos and spending a lot more time with long form content
       | (mainly books). Attention is our most precious resource and we
       | should guard fiercely against attempts to monetize it.
        
         | ge96 wrote:
         | My phone is always on mute (no vibrate either)
         | 
         | Only alarms to wake up
        
           | andrewljohnson wrote:
           | Having a family and responsibilities made this infeasible for
           | me. Most apps on my phone are denied notifications, but
           | people can still text/call me.
        
             | LeonM wrote:
             | Not sure about iOS, but with Android you can create
             | exceptions for selected contacts in the do-not-disturb
             | mode.
             | 
             | I've added my family members to that exception list, and
             | leave the phone on do-not-disturb mode 24/7.
        
               | ska wrote:
               | This works well for some people, but not universally as
               | noted elsewhere in the thread.
               | 
               | I guess it basically comes down to: how likely is a call
               | from an unknown number to be important for me? It turns
               | out this is wildly different for different lives.
        
             | namaria wrote:
             | I also have family and responsibilities. But I am very
             | careful whom I give unfettered access to my attention.
        
               | copperx wrote:
               | Everybody who depends on you directly (partner, children,
               | parents, and extended family) should be on you VIP
               | contact list and have direct access to you. I find that
               | reduces my anxiety. I don't get distracted by
               | notifications, or the thought that someone might be dying
               | and trying to reach me.
        
               | ge96 wrote:
               | Just commenting about phone calls
               | 
               | I have stranger phone call anxiety and the other thing is
               | spam/scam calls. Which thankfully my phone has been good
               | at flagging/blocking.
               | 
               | Regarding notifications I used to have phones that either
               | had LED blinking indicators or sound/beeping ahh, crazy
               | used to just drop what I was doing to check it.
        
               | andrewljohnson wrote:
               | The issue for me is, for example, my wife drops my kid
               | off for a camp and then the camp calls me in an
               | emergency. So I can't just only take notifications from
               | known callers.
        
               | NRv9tR wrote:
               | You can do this. I do. Known numbers only and whitelist
               | school, doctor, etc. If you really wanted to go further
               | you could have a second number via google voice you only
               | give to those places. Maybe even tie notifications on
               | that to your calendar where you put your kids events.
        
               | watwut wrote:
               | The teacher from school or preschool will call from
               | basically random phone. Possibly own phone. Or whatever
               | office she is in phone. Camp counselor always calls from
               | own phone which is fairly often different one then where
               | you are supposed to call.
               | 
               | Neither of these calls often. Maybe once a year you get
               | call like that. But when they call, you really want to
               | pick up.
        
               | andrewljohnson wrote:
               | I just can't... it might be some counselor's random cell
               | phone calling me. Plus the kids go to many camps per
               | summer, and many activities during the year, so I'd be
               | constantly updating my phone book even if not for the
               | main issue.
        
               | happimess wrote:
               | I am also a parent coming on the end of a summer, and
               | whitelisting people who _may_ contact me about my child
               | sounds like a nightmare.
        
               | layer8 wrote:
               | Kids survived perfectly fine in the past without their
               | parents being available 24/7.
        
               | misterprime wrote:
               | The kids that survived, survived perfectly fine.
               | 
               | The kids that didn't survive were buried and no longer
               | interact with us.
        
               | happimess wrote:
               | Many summer camps require that you be available to
               | retrieve your kid if e.g. they start showing Covid
               | symptoms. I'd love to drop them off and forget about it,
               | believe me.
        
               | andrewljohnson wrote:
               | It seems disrespectful to my wife and the camps to refuse
               | to be available for emergencies.
        
               | v-erne wrote:
               | Few years back brother of my spouse took his wife to
               | Spain (thousends kilometrs from here) to drive around and
               | see some sights. At some point they got a flat tire and
               | while he was trying to fix it two nice gentlemans on
               | motorbikes took everything they had by force (including
               | phones). My spouse brother managed to borrow a phone
               | frome some stranger that was driving by. And when he
               | tried to call the only number they both could remember,
               | his fathers, he did not answers.
               | 
               | Can You guess why? Thats right - he also had a policy to
               | not take phone calls from unknown numbers (especially
               | foreign). They had to go to ours country ambassy in Spain
               | (which took a while) and beg for help.
               | 
               | Since that day his father answers all calls :)
        
               | elenaferrantes wrote:
               | You can leave a voice mail. I don't answer to unknown
               | number anymore due to heavy phone spam. My thought is "if
               | it's really important they will leave a message".
        
             | mirekrusin wrote:
             | If wife is nice, she can be whitelisted, no?
        
             | Popeyes wrote:
             | If you have Android. Minimalist is very helpful in blocking
             | app notifications.
        
       | mprime1 wrote:
       | If you're looking for a 'lean' source of news (just the facts, no
       | commentary) try Wikipedia:
       | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Current_events
       | 
       | (RSS feed available)
        
         | bananabiscuit wrote:
         | Unfortunately, it is a mistake to think that just because you
         | are only presented with high quality facts (statements that are
         | very likely to be true), that you are getting an objective view
         | of the story. You would be surprised how unrepresentative a
         | story can be made purely through omission or selective
         | emphasis, and Wikipedia is very guilty especially of the
         | latter. The talk pages are usually very revealing of what the
         | articles fails to mention, if you happen to catch them before
         | the discussion gets archived.
        
           | nequo wrote:
           | This is very true about agenda setting.
           | 
           | What _is_ great about Wikipedia 's "Current events" portal is
           | that you don't have to sift through tweets that are selected
           | by the news feed algorithm to make you angry, or a stream of
           | op-eds that are selected by an editor to do the same, in
           | order to get to the facts. Much healthier psychologically
           | while still staying reasonably informed.
        
           | anonporridge wrote:
           | This is something a lot of people don't understand.
           | 
           | It is impossible to have an objective and bias-free source of
           | information, simply because the amount of information that
           | exists is unimaginably enormous. It's impossible for any
           | single human mind to absorb everything that's happening, so
           | we have to rely on services whose job is filtering that
           | information into a small set of important bits.
           | 
           | By selectively choosing which bits of information you share
           | or emphasize, multiple different sources can all technically
           | be telling the gods honest truth, while also all pushing
           | completely contradictory narratives.
           | 
           | Everyone is pushing a narrative, and it's critical that we
           | all try to understand the incentives of the pushers of
           | information we ingest.
        
             | kej wrote:
             | I liked the way Howard Zinn (who had his own rather strong
             | biases, of course) made that point in the afterword to _A
             | People 's History of the United States_:
             | 
             | >But there is no such thing as a pure fact, innocent of
             | interpretation. Behind every fact presented to the world--
             | by a teacher, a writer, anyone--is a judgment. The judgment
             | that has been made is that this fact is important, and that
             | other facts, omitted, are not important.
        
             | stripline wrote:
             | I learned this when I dated a law student while in college.
             | They teach an entire class to the first year students
             | dedicated to presenting the facts of the case, the way
             | lawyers do in their opening statements. They actually had
             | to create the set of facts for each side. It was really
             | interesting how you could totally bias it by what you
             | emphasized or left out and the different words used (i.e.
             | word connotations).
        
             | LesZedCB wrote:
             | Manufacturing Consent is a must-read
             | 
             | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manufacturing_Consent
        
             | everybodyknows wrote:
             | > Everyone is pushing a narrative
             | 
             | But this an exaggeration. Some people are truly equivocal
             | on a question, yet still able to muster the effort to write
             | about it.
             | 
             | One way this happens is that some specific issue puts the
             | author's internal values in tension. An example would be
             | recall/impeachment of some corrupt official, where the
             | tension is between the two goods of removing the bad actor
             | from power, and maintaining the norm of orderly transition
             | of government power.
        
         | stephendause wrote:
         | I would recommend people use sites like allsides.com or
         | ground.news to read from a wide variety of sources across the
         | political spectrum. Any one site (even one edited by a variety
         | of people) will have its own set of biases, so I find it best
         | to visit Web sites that contain links to coverage of the same
         | event from a few different sources with different biases.
        
           | insightcheck wrote:
           | I think it's better to manually assess bias and think
           | critically about how news articles report information. The
           | sites you linked are interesting, but had some major flaws.
           | 
           | For example, AllSides includes Breitbart as a source. While
           | it identifies it with the maximum value to the right, it
           | doesn't give a barometer of credibility. For a reader
           | deciding whether Breitbart is worth reading, one should
           | closely examine credibility, not just political leaning.
           | PolitiFact and Media Bias/Fact Check discussed the
           | credibility of Breitbart at length [0] [1].
           | 
           | Then for ground.news, the way it portrays bias is also
           | relatively simplistic. The most prominent indicator is
           | left/center/right, but biases have a lot more nuance. It's
           | more useful to account for how certain publications take
           | certain policy stances. Leanings can be anti-establishment,
           | pro-establishment, socialist, neoliberal, pro-consumption
           | (e.g. Wired), or anti-consumption, and this information is
           | lost when relying on left-center-right categorizations.
           | 
           | The best way to do this is to manually select a few
           | publications that are high on factual credibility, write down
           | their specific biases or leanings, and compare stories across
           | the personally-curated selection of publications. You then
           | personally have more control and understanding of the
           | articles you are presented.
           | 
           | [0] https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/jul/28/stella-
           | imm...
           | 
           | [1] https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/breitbart/
        
         | divan wrote:
         | Also https://legiblenews.com
        
         | woweoe wrote:
         | Wikipedia is incredibly biased in terms of what news it cherry
         | picks though. Just read through the debates of what gets
         | proposed for inclusion, and then think about the stuff that's
         | outright deleted.
        
           | lloydatkinson wrote:
           | Do you have some examples?
        
             | mcphage wrote:
             | There was a great article posted here a few years back I'd
             | love to find again, that discusses how to use Wikipedia to
             | reinforce a position without lying. Splitting your side
             | into a bunch of mutually reinforcing pages, careful choose
             | of when to include or exclude adjectives, and so on. I
             | found it pretty eye-opening.
        
             | woweoe wrote:
             | "Just read through the debates of what gets proposed for
             | inclusion, and then think about the stuff that's outright
             | deleted."
        
               | marginalia_nu wrote:
               | I kinda also would like to see a concrete example.
        
             | erdewit wrote:
             | For example, the entire entry for "mass formation" was
             | deleted. The Dutch version still exists:
             | 
             | https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massavorming
        
       | leobg wrote:
       | Ok. So the author tells us that news is bad for us. Isn't that
       | well known since like ten years ago? When opening the article I
       | had been hoping for something new...
       | 
       | ...if y'all catch my drift here ;)
        
       | tmaly wrote:
       | The one thing I really like after switching from Android to
       | Iphone was the consistent interface to be able to shut off all
       | notifications in one screen.
        
       | semidetached wrote:
       | I stopped watching 24-hour news channels in 1991 when I saw how
       | the Gulf War coverage was turning so many into zombies. By 2010 I
       | had stopped regularly reading a list of news web sites I'd
       | constructed. HN is about the only thing I read regularly online,
       | and I'm getting less regular with that. I watch local news
       | sometimes but only to sneer at the local weatherman who's job
       | here in central Texas could be performed by one of my pugs. If
       | I'm going to starve to death pushing a pleasure lever it ain't
       | gonna be one connected to the infotainment industry.
        
         | planarhobbit wrote:
         | Hear hear.
         | 
         | To add, I started treating most information outlets, including
         | HN, as endless faucets of propaganda, misinformation AND
         | misdirection. The outrage is, at best, a farcical play of human
         | dramas unfolding on a stage. To take any of this seriously is
         | borderline pathological.
        
       | tessela wrote:
       | Extra tip for iOS/macOS/iPadOS users: go to Settings /
       | Accessibility / Display & Text Size / Color Filters and enable
       | the Grayscale filter.
        
       | smoussa wrote:
       | I went on a zero news diet a while back and have recently got
       | back on this diet again. It's one of the best decisions I've made
       | for my productivity.
       | 
       | For those with fear of missing out on current affairs -- events
       | are really only worth knowing about if someone has made you aware
       | of it in real life. Otherwise it's likely not that important.
        
         | ckosidows wrote:
         | You're on HNews?
        
         | [deleted]
        
       | lordnacho wrote:
       | Get one of those browser extensions that limits your use. This at
       | least tells you how much time you've spent. It's easy to get
       | carried away reading one long form article after another.
        
       | woweoe wrote:
       | So basically block the entirety of Reddit, which I agree would be
       | good for all humankind.
        
         | shakow wrote:
         | > which I agree would be good for all humankind.
         | 
         | I disagree with that statement. I know it's fashionable on HN
         | to spit on Reddit, but for all its flaws, Reddit also birthed
         | fantastic communities that are hard to replicate somewhere else
         | due to the network effect, e.g. /r/WarCollege, /r/hoggit,
         | /r/AskHistorians, /r/Rust, /r/LinguisticsHumor, etc. - come for
         | the dumb memes, stay for the niche communities.
        
           | woweoe wrote:
           | But surely these are just commercialized versions of forums,
           | the latter being a far more versatile medium to have
           | discussions on? Reddit has monopolized the entire forum
           | industry and ruined online communities.
        
         | PaulsWallet wrote:
         | If you are talking about default subreddits then sure but there
         | are some great communities on reddit that I think are great
         | pieces of the internet. A lot of which I'm sure exist because
         | people don't need 100 different forum accounts to access them.
         | Also generally, I see no difference between reddit and Hacker
         | News except Hacker News drips with a unique brand of elitist
         | smarm you can't get elsewhere.
        
       | vinny2020 wrote:
       | I'm proud of myself for reading the article to the end without
       | distraction. I have been news free since the 2020 US election
       | results were broadcast so I agree that a news diet is an immense
       | boost for productivity. Why worry about things you can't really
       | change. If it's important enough, trust me, you'll find out about
       | it. I also use screen time to limit social media apps, but they
       | are truly the crack cocaine of the the 21st century.
        
       | Scarblac wrote:
       | I see that Rolf Dobelli has a book on avoiding news now. But he
       | made his point crystal clear in an article he wrote in 2010
       | already, and put as a freely downloadable PDF on his website. I
       | can't find it there now, but here's a link to that PDF on some
       | other site: https://www.gwern.net/docs/culture/2010-dobelli.pdf
        
         | planarhobbit wrote:
         | One would think he would also avoid the great majority of books
         | out there too, as they're just as trashy and toxic as news are.
        
         | walleeee wrote:
         | Gwern's site is a gold mine of various interesting tidbits
        
       | KindAndFriendly wrote:
       | "...I cancelled my subscription to my formerly favourite online
       | news portal (the German "Spiegel-Online")..."
       | 
       | Very good. Spiegel Online - unfortunately - became terribly bad
       | over the last years, with click-bait headlines, sensational
       | reporting as well as pushing fear & anxiety throughout their
       | articles.
        
         | muffinman26 wrote:
         | Do you have a different German newspaper you would recommend
         | now? I used to read der Spiegel regularly to keep my German
         | from getting too rusty.
        
       | going_ham wrote:
       | I disabled chrome and youtube for most of the time. Unless I am
       | looking for something specific, I keep them disabled. This alone
       | reduced by HN scrolling and YouTube binging by factor of 2-3
       | hrs/day!
       | 
       | Finally I have free time to relax and do nothing!
        
       | fleddr wrote:
       | I think the follow-up needs some more elaborating.
       | 
       | "I won a lot of time back so that I can go back to writing 15
       | novels" is a little off putting for many.
       | 
       | Start simple with usage of your reclaimed time. Put your phone in
       | another room and watch a 2 hour movie, uninterrupted. That's a
       | thing a lot of people today can't even do, so already an
       | accomplishment.
       | 
       | Even pure boredom, doing absolutely nothing, is healing. The
       | point is that you have uninterrupted time, it doesn't matter if
       | you spent it "productively".
        
       | mberning wrote:
       | It is said that Napoleon did not open his mail for 3 weeks after
       | it arrived. His belief was that most issues would resolve
       | themselves and were therefore unimportant for him to attend to.
       | 
       | If you go back and watch the news from 2-3 weeks ago it is
       | amazing how much of it is just nonsense. It's especially hard to
       | go back and watch covid discussions from a year ago and hear just
       | how wrong most information was.
        
         | kortex wrote:
         | Sounds like a great way to get a bench warrant for avoiding a
         | legal summons in today's day and age.
         | 
         | Knuth has a secretary which prioritizes his snail mail. I think
         | filters are a great way to go. I have tried to pre-bin my mail
         | but my tray organizer has just been covered over with assorted
         | cruft, which kinda makes the system untenable until I stop
         | procrastinating...
        
       | rr888 wrote:
       | What I did is tell my boss about my difficulty and now they check
       | in on me twice a day to look at my progress. I hate being micro
       | managed, but really helped me to work on delivering.
        
         | ramblerman wrote:
         | I'm not sure if this was sarcasm, but if not ...
         | 
         | It's a dystopian nightmare, that you would voluntarily request
         | this.
        
           | rr888 wrote:
           | Lol I hate it but the extra eyes makes me focus.
        
       | JoeAltmaier wrote:
       | Get out and ride a bike or something. More blood to the brain; no
       | digital distraction. Take a shower and bam! productive. That's
       | how it works for me.
        
         | LesZedCB wrote:
         | agreed the days where I get out for a morning bike ride are
         | some of my best
        
       | frostwarrior wrote:
       | To me, mindfulness meditation helped me a lot with concentration
       | because it was like learning mental aikido, in the sense of not
       | trying to remove invasive information, but redirect it in a way
       | that doesn't affect my focus. Everything stops being so important
       | by default
        
       | paulpauper wrote:
       | _During the aforementioned train ride, I cancelled my
       | subscription to my formerly favorite online news portal (the
       | German "Spiegel-Online") and deleted the associated app from my
       | iPhone. I used the initial motivation to cancel additional news
       | subscriptions and deleted the related apps from my smartphone and
       | iPad so that I wouldn't be tempted._
       | 
       | Here is what he should have done: replaced his smart phone with a
       | dumb phone if possible. It does not mean he gets rid of the smart
       | phone but deactivate it. And have two computers: one for business
       | and one for leisure and keep in different rooms. If possible
       | disconnect the work computer from the web. That way there are
       | fewer possible distractions. It's not enough to just remove apps.
       | The device itself is addictive.
        
       | mauliknshah wrote:
       | Typo: It's Daniel Kahneman and not David Kahnemann.
        
       | jansan wrote:
       | I think routers should have more fine grained settings, so I can
       | block social media during weekdays, HN on weekdays except
       | lunchtime and evening, and allow my children only to access their
       | 5 websites that they need for homework/study during a few hours
       | in the afternoon. This would help me a lot.
        
         | terminalcommand wrote:
         | A more extreme measure some users here used to take was not
         | access the internet at all during their downtime. When you come
         | home from work simply not use the internet. I guess exceptions
         | can be made for streaming movies/music. Ideally you should
         | download and stock up on these.
         | 
         | I remember some users deliberately not connecting internet to
         | their homes to stick with this. There were also some users who
         | switched to "dumb" phones to reduce distractions. I guess these
         | could work.
        
         | bishopsmother wrote:
         | even with your router's domain blacklist, it may not be so easy
         | to block all social media (specifically, apps[0]). I don't
         | imagine cigarette manufacturers are keen on making it easier
         | for people to quit smoking either.
         | 
         | [0] https://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/tech/facebook-app-and-
         | un...
        
       | closedloop129 wrote:
       | Did he regain concentration and focus? It's more like he just
       | reduced distractions. That's not the same.
       | 
       | What if being distracted is not a bug but a feature and his mind
       | doesn't want to continue the path of constantly writing books?
       | Instead of eliminating distractions, it could be more helpful to
       | find the activities that don't create the desire for
       | distractions.
        
         | Digital28 wrote:
         | He also says the pandemic didn't affect him, but honestly,
         | whether it was Long COVID or an indirect psych effect of
         | isolation, I've had extreme issues concentrating ever since
         | 2020 that have been absolutely bullshit to manage.
        
           | andai wrote:
           | Re: wide-scale reports of cognitive decline since lockdowns:
           | 
           | > In lab animals, isolation has been shown to cause brain
           | shrinkage and the kind of brain changes you'd see in
           | Alzheimer's disease -- reduced brain cell connections and
           | reduced levels of brain-derived neurotrophic factor, which is
           | important for the formation, connection, and repair of brain
           | cells.
           | 
           | https://www.health.harvard.edu/mind-and-mood/how-
           | isolation-a...
        
         | giraffe_lady wrote:
         | my mind doesn't want to continue the path of constantly
         | working. I've done a lot of kinds of work and am not young,
         | coding is my third career, and I've never found "the
         | activities" that pay rent and don't create the desire for
         | distractions. Want it or not (I don't want it) that's a problem
         | it's on me to solve.
        
       | kortex wrote:
       | "Trivial inconveniences" are a big hurdle when trying to build a
       | habit, but are a great tool for breaking bad ones. Anything you
       | can do to break the dopamine loop helps, however small it may be.
       | I've had success with:
       | 
       | - setting long passwords to social media that aren't autofilled
       | (saved in bitwarden) and logging out after each session
       | 
       | - nerfing addicting parts of webapps (plugins which block the
       | facebook news feed but allow messaging/groups helped a TON)
       | 
       | - forbidding dedicated social media apps and only using "worse"
       | internet sites
       | 
       | - router DNS blockers, even if I can get around them, the act of
       | having to bypass it raises my awareness I'm doing something
       | subpar for myself
        
         | vbezhenar wrote:
         | My method is using private browsing to open addicting websites.
         | This way their address will not be saved in history and I'll
         | have to type it which sometimes stop me from doing that in mid-
         | way. Also helps with automatically logging out.
        
           | kibwen wrote:
           | I've done this with YouTube and it's been extraordinarily
           | effective for me. Without the history associated with my
           | account, the recommendation engine just shows me the default
           | junk, preventing me from falling down rabbit holes when I
           | just want to watch some video. For keeping in touch with
           | channels that I still want to follow, I've subscribed to them
           | via RSS.
           | 
           | If you need an extra push to enforce that you only use
           | private browsing, you can install any browser extension that
           | blocks sites and then tell your browser to not permit that
           | extension to run in private windows.
        
             | eastbound wrote:
             | We sound like casino addicts who voluntarily try to be
             | banned from casinos.
             | 
             | At least we're only losing time, not money. But we're still
             | losing health, by staying in bed too much because of social
             | media...
        
               | kibwen wrote:
               | The problem is that whereas casinos are strictly
               | recreational, a lot of YouTube content is actually
               | extremely informative and educational. The problem is
               | that going to YouTube just for the educational stuff
               | still subjects you to the addictive stuff.
        
             | stevage wrote:
             | There are also extensions that block all recommendations.
             | Makes YouTube a much calmer experience. Go watch one video.
             | Now...you are done.
        
         | ben_w wrote:
         | Adding to that list: disable mobile data for Safari and Chrome
         | so I don't mindlessly browse on the go or during lunch.
        
         | LukeShu wrote:
         | > and logging out after each session
         | 
         | I started using a Cookie AutoDelete plugin for privacy reasons;
         | but it's also been great for this purpose, so I don't have to
         | remember to log out.
        
         | brudgers wrote:
         | I find trivial inconvenience essential for establishing
         | _positive_ habits.
         | 
         | They make me focus on my intent to establish a habit.
         | 
         | Habit establishing requires perseverance in the face of a bit
         | of bother.
         | 
         | The big hurdles are the big hurdles. Small frictions get
         | smoothed by repetition...or by simply becoming ordinary parts
         | of the process.
         | 
         | Willingness to do things that suck is the nature of positive
         | habits.
         | 
         | To a first approximation if it doesn't feel a bit unpleasant at
         | first, it probably isn't a positive habit.
        
           | tartoran wrote:
           | Interesting take on how habits feel at first as without
           | system 2's input (From Daniel Kahneman's thinking fast and
           | slow) habits carve their way into our brains basically
           | seeking the most reward or dopamine. So without constant
           | monitoring of system 2 we end up as entertaining craving
           | systems, seeking patterns to satiate the urge for dopamine.
           | Good habits may be bitter at first but the rewards are reaped
           | in the long run.
        
         | Melatonic wrote:
         | Getting rid of the apps I think is the most effective - and as
         | a bonus - much less opportunity for intrusion and manipulation.
         | 
         | Although if we are specifically talking about social media such
         | as Facebook then I mainly advocate at this point just to dump
         | it. You can still use the separate messenger app and function
         | even with a fully deactivated account.
         | 
         | Instagram I found (for myself) relatively easy to spend a small
         | amount of time on every few days but the amount of
         | advertisements has just gotten insane. After not logging on for
         | 3 days or similar it appears to now be giving me about 5 ads
         | for each real post of someone I follow (half of these are
         | "suggested posts" which are not true advertisements but are
         | really not much different). You would think they would be able
         | to track the fact that when they do this I almost immediately
         | close the app and use it less. I am just amazed they do not
         | start with at least a few page scrolls of no ads and then
         | slowly transition them in.
        
           | stevage wrote:
           | I stopped using FB in the traditional way by unfollowing
           | literally everyone. however I use it much more for groups
           | now. I really get a lot of value out of local community
           | groups in particular.
        
         | daniel_iversen wrote:
         | A few other suggestions too:
         | 
         | - if you need an app, turn off notifications at least (and move
         | it occasionally to another folder)
         | 
         | - turn on iOS Screen Time so you have that second to re-think
         | if you want to use the app in the first place (pattern
         | interruption)
         | 
         | - turn your phone colors to greyscale - I know it sounds odd
         | but I had it like that for a couple of years or so and it made
         | me reduce phone time, more productive and less stimulated by
         | the phone (even for a good long while after turning it off)
        
           | stevage wrote:
           | This one never did anything for me. But then, I was never
           | into scrolling things with pictures, much more into reading
           | text.
           | 
           | Do you know why it worked for you?
        
         | cultofmetatron wrote:
         | this so much. I had tried giving up twitter but the convenience
         | was always there. Then one day I had enough and told a gun nut
         | to set himself on fire. Now whenever I am tempted to get on
         | twitter, I have that offensive "delete this tweet" screen show
         | up to remind me that I shouldn't bother with this crap. I'm all
         | the better for it.
        
         | nextstepguy wrote:
         | I never archive my passwords on social sites and the idea to
         | reset every time is a real burden. This helps too.
        
         | everybodyknows wrote:
         | Also:
         | 
         | - delete browser bookmarks, desktop icons, "favorites" ...
        
       | throw93232 wrote:
       | >> CNN, WSJ, and BBC
       | 
       | That is a news equivalent of junk food. Clickbait partisan
       | outrage generator.
       | 
       | I would suggest some independent podcast with daily or weekly
       | summaries. Much higher information density.
        
         | ben_w wrote:
         | Given the junk food analogy, things with much higher
         | information density would be like drinking neat olive oil.
         | 
         | I think a more useful thing is to filter news down to only that
         | news which is _important_ rather than merely _engaging_ , and
         | leave engagement for either friends or hobbies with a ratio
         | depending on your personal level of introversion/extroversion.
        
           | throw93232 wrote:
           | I just checked front side of CNN, first 6 titles are about
           | some unofficial trip. They do not know if it will happen,
           | what will happen, where it may happen, what that means...
           | 
           | There is no value for me there. Even if I invest time into
           | filtering, there is no value to gain from that. Maybe it is
           | important, but I am not policy maker or investor, it is not
           | important right now for me!
           | 
           | I can find out about that visit week later, after it actually
           | happened. Without all the speculations and opinions. And
           | since it will be podcast I can listen while running or
           | exercising, and with much lower investment from my side.
        
             | ben_w wrote:
             | I think you've underestimated what I mean by filtering in
             | this case: unless you're a politician, almost literally all
             | political news is pointless; unless you are a game
             | developer or unsatisfied with your VR headset, literally
             | all news about VR headsets is pointless; there's no point
             | watching a weather forecast for any place you are not going
             | to be in; unless you're an investor or looking to invest or
             | borrow, financial news is pointless; unless you're in the
             | royal family or selling memorabilia, gossip about any royal
             | family is worthless; ...
             | 
             | Does CNN have any content that's genuinely important to
             | you?
             | 
             | But the argument also applies to podcasts: no value in any
             | fact-based podcast if you don't act on the information it
             | gives you, just as there's no point in fiction-based
             | podcasts if they don't entertain you.
        
       | zorg42 wrote:
       | thanx - pragmatic collection of suggestions
        
       | epolanski wrote:
       | Removing social medias reclaimed lots of my life, the absolute
       | peak of my happiness was when I stopped following any news at
       | all.
       | 
       | There's some sort of stigma agaiinst people who don't follow the
       | news but I ask, what positives doesfollowing the news brings to
       | your lifes?
       | 
       | I realized none and there is a huge proven link between following
       | news and anxiety/depression.
       | 
       | Sadly I felt back to watching news with the war in Ukraine.
        
       | 121789 wrote:
       | Does anyone know how to block websites at something like the
       | router level? I find myself able to get around normal browser-
       | level blockers fairly easily. I'd love to use some parental
       | controls against myself from like 6-5pm on weekdays
        
         | 1123581321 wrote:
         | A custom DNS provider in the router is probably easiest. Use
         | NextDNS or CloudFlare for Families with controls on, and then
         | give the login for the DNS and the login for your router admin
         | to someone else.
        
         | bishopsmother wrote:
         | If you're willing to be a beta tester - I'll set you up with a
         | free account (see about[0]); I'm open to
         | suggestions/implementing new features based on user demand
         | (e.g. Slowdown as a Service).
         | 
         | [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=bishopsmother
        
         | dehrmann wrote:
         | If you have DoH enabled, it's hard. If you don't, with OpenWrt,
         | it's easy enough to configure its DNS server to add IPs to
         | ipsets after a lookup, then configure the firewall to drop
         | those requests over a time window.
         | 
         | > I find myself able to get around normal browser-level
         | blockers fairly easily.
         | 
         | You're still just 30 seconds away from disabling the rule.
        
         | nop_slide wrote:
         | Might be able to do that with a pi-hole
        
           | rr888 wrote:
           | I did this, works great until you realize how easy it is to
           | pause blocking.
        
         | cloudking wrote:
         | Put Adguard Home on a Raspberry Pi, and point your router DNS
         | to it. https://github.com/AdguardTeam/AdGuardHome
        
       ___________________________________________________________________
       (page generated 2022-08-01 23:00 UTC)