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GlobalFoundries joins Google's open source silicon initiative
Author : proppy
Score : 113 points
Date : 2022-08-03 17:19 UTC (5 hours ago)
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| ricksunny wrote:
| Been a while since I was in the semiconductor industry, but it
| looks like this open-sourcing is intended to free up the
| ecosystem from dependence on Cadence EDA. Nice, could open up
| opportunity for creation of a lot of cottage fabless
| semiconductor startups. (does anyone known whether Cadence had
| ever gotten on the freemium offering model?)
| redanddead wrote:
| I might get some hate for this, but Google seems to be doing some
| really cool things, like in fintech as well as this silicon
| project. Google Finance is one of the only players I've seen with
| an interest of opening things up when so much of the industry is
| about pushing others out and restricting access. Like for example
| the CME deal, to open source live, low latency stock market data.
| Bloomberg might let you rent it for 25k a year if you're lucky.
| Google? Yeah just hook into the websocket bro, it's free.
|
| Someone's gotta do it
|
| Most of the stock market data the avg person sees is 15 minutes
| delayed by request of the NYSE, and in a world where trades are
| reaching the 3 millisecond and below mark, that's a very long
| time. So Google opening up what could be <20ms data might be able
| to help some applications. Not saying it's a silver bullet
| either.
|
| I wish they would take on even more big projects that need to be
| tackled. Like I want to see a google branded remote controlled
| barge out in the pacific garbage patch that the public is
| controlling through a google web app or some other insane, good
| projects. Idk when you deal with finance companies all day, even
| google seems moral.
|
| However, it's not looking good this quarter for all tech cos
| beambot wrote:
| It's "free" until it's sunset with no notice. Google is
| _notorious_ for doing this. RIP Reader.
| api wrote:
| Wow, how things have changed. I've been here since back when
| Google could do no wrong. Now they're a poster child for shady
| surveillance capitalism.
|
| Same with Elon Musk. I remember him being compared to a comic
| book hero. Now he's an alt-right racist (if you are a leftist)
| or an evil globalist technocrat (if you are a rightist).
| kranke155 wrote:
| If you're Ukrainian he's a National hero.
| mistrial9 wrote:
| > poster child for shady surveillance capitalism
|
| as well they should be, they carried it forward like Atlas
| carrying the globe.. in the beginning it was competition,
| then, we could not stop..
| scarface74 wrote:
| From day one Google's business plan was ads - except for the
| brief time where they were selling "Google Search
| Appliances".
|
| Every company whose business model isn't "I give them money
| and they give me stuff" is shady.
| mlindner wrote:
| > Same with Elon Musk. I remember him being compared to a
| comic book hero. Now he's an alt-right racist (if you are a
| leftist) or an evil globalist technocrat (if you are a
| rightist).
|
| He hasn't changed though, and little has changed in what he's
| actually doing too. If anything, he's more mellow now than he
| was when he was younger. People's impressions of him have
| been highly twisted IMO.
| api wrote:
| Yeah, he's neither a comic book hero nor a monster. He's a
| rich dude who's pretty smart and decided to risk a bunch of
| his helping build up companies working in important
| innovative fields, but unfortunately he also trolls and
| overshares on Twitter like a 13 year old.
| mszcz wrote:
| > Like for example the CME deal, to open source live, low
| latency stock market data. Bloomberg might let you rent it for
| 25k a year if you're lucky. Google? Yeah just hook into the
| websocket bro, it's free.
|
| Cursory search turned up nothing for me. Can you point me in
| the direction where I can find free (or low cost) market data
| that you mentioned?
| redanddead wrote:
| https://cloud.google.com/blog/topics/financial-
| services/buil...
|
| This link has more info
| geph2021 wrote:
| That seems really cool, thanks for posting. However, I did
| notice that their demo does not seem to have any live
| prices right now (the demo is a couple years old, so maybe
| no longer live): https://showcase.withgoogle.com/marketdata
|
| Also, to the point about Bloomberg's high subscription
| fees, they provide all imaginable financial data under the
| sun. This google demo with CME is just CME data, which is a
| small, albeit important, part of market data, let alone the
| broader financial data. Furthermore, in many cases the data
| itself is owned by the exchanges, so Bloomberg's fees
| reflect passing on the (at times exorbitant) exchange fees.
| NYSE, NASDAQ, CME, etc.. are historically the ones that are
| the gatekeepers of the data and putting up financial
| barriers.
| redanddead wrote:
| Yeah the bloomberg terminal is still good value if you're
| going to be using that data, and a relatively good price.
| Good point about the exchanges
| gregsadetsky wrote:
| I see that CME is using GCP to offer its data stream, but
| it doesn't seem free.
|
| "This innovative collaboration with Google Cloud will not
| only make it easier for _our clients_ to access the data
| [...] CME Group _customers_ will be able to access all
| real-time CME Group data [...] " (emphasis mine) [0]
|
| As for [1], it has a Contact Us form and a link to [2]
| which talks about onboarding and an "On-demand, pay as you
| go model".
|
| Could you point to the free market data pub/sub and/or
| specific steps to recreate the demo? Thanks!
|
| [0] https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/cme-group-to-
| offer-...
|
| [1] https://www.cmegroup.com/market-data/connect-
| data/cloud-mdp....
|
| [2] https://dataservices.cmegroup.com/Data-Products
| gurjeet wrote:
| > ... data the avg person sees is 15 minutes delayed ..., that
| may as well be a light year.
|
| Nit pick: you've got your units mixed up; minute is a unit of
| time, and light-year is a unit of distance.
| redanddead wrote:
| fixed, thank you
| Teodolfo wrote:
| In some unit systems
| (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geometrized_unit_system)
| they are both units of length.
| sitkack wrote:
| I blame George Lucas for this.
| scarface74 wrote:
| Don't be too impressed. Every company is interested in "opening
| things up" when it's to their competitive advantage.
|
| You notice that "open" Android is increasingly dependent on
| closed source "Google Play Services" and Google uses the closed
| source parts to beat OEMs into submission?
| dogleash wrote:
| I ain't hating but "commoditizing your complement" is just
| pushing others out and restricting access with extra steps.
|
| Admittedly, the bones they'll throw us in the process do look
| like they'll be cool, tho.
| onlyrealcuzzo wrote:
| As a consumer, you want everything to be a commodity (i.e.
| and abundance of choice). This means you'll have more options
| at every price point.
| bee_rider wrote:
| I would expect a commodity to be produced with pretty low
| margins (since the competition is pretty fierce), but not
| for free. If Google is giving away the information for
| free, is that really a commodity? I mean either they are
| giving it away for some strategic reason, they are taking
| their cut in some more byzantine way, or they have decided
| to act as a charity for at-home traders for some reason.
| Dracophoenix wrote:
| Information itself is a commodity. An encyclopedia
| doesn't have value have because it costs money but the
| vice versa. Wikipedia is free, yet it has done more for
| the world in 20 years than the _Brittanica_ has in 250.
|
| I'm not suggesting Google gives away information as a
| purely altruistic endeavor. However, Google's ulterior
| motives, should they have any, are irrelevant to the
| value of the information itself so long as it hasn't been
| edited or tampered with.
| redanddead wrote:
| That never actually happens though, what ends up happening
| is that people realize it's better to be a literal cartel
| and MONOPOLY!
|
| And you get the worst of all deals, see Shrinkflation
|
| My point is we shouldn't trust businesses to be moral, and
| I don't. I'm just angry at the NYSE
| dogleash wrote:
| >As a consumer, you want everything to be a commodity
|
| True. But I'm also guessing that in 5 years I'll be more
| frustrated at the level of control they're exercising with
| thing they're currently building next to it. More so than I
| am with the market they're commoditising today.
| konschubert wrote:
| When things get commoditised, it's good for consumers.
|
| Competition is good.
| colordrops wrote:
| Hopefully this doesn't eventually go the way of Android where
| they nerf the open source version and make it very difficult to
| run without proprietary bits.
| dragonelite wrote:
| Pretty much this, just run android without GMS and you quickly
| discover how limited it can be if you don't know what your
| doing.
| google234123 wrote:
| This is a shitpost.
| colordrops wrote:
| What did I say that was inaccurate or untrue?
| scarface74 wrote:
| https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2018/07/googles-iron-grip-
| on...
| sorry_outta_gas wrote:
| The emails leaked a few years ago on twitter say different
| monetus wrote:
| Have a link? Curious, but seemingly hard to find.
| skywal_l wrote:
| Can somebody ELI5 this to me? Wbo will that help? And how? 180nm
| seems big, at least for computer CPUs.
| unity1001 wrote:
| Good initiative.
| newaccount2021 wrote:
| gchadwick wrote:
| When the first open SkyWater 130nm PDK came out, with Google
| paying for free shuttle runs I did wonder how long the money
| would keep going. I assumed they'd fund a handful of shuttles in
| the hope that kick starts wider usage.
|
| With this announcement and the other SkyWater 90nm they're
| bringing out (https://opensource.googleblog.com/2022/07/SkyWater-
| and-Googl...) it looks like they're keen to fund this for the
| long haul which is fantastic news.
|
| I think there's great potential in open silicon but precious
| little of it around right now. Open tooling is still in early
| development stages in particular for implementation flows (i.e.
| actually producing a silicon layout from your RTL design).
| Development here is stifled by how closed this world is. Open
| PDKs, that can be used for real chips, are a great boon and I
| hope will really accelerate developments.
| Kukumber wrote:
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