[HN Gopher] Old jokes
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       Old jokes
        
       Author : Gadiguibou
       Score  : 233 points
       Date   : 2022-08-04 16:57 UTC (6 hours ago)
        
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       | JasonFruit wrote:
       | Maybe my standards are low, but the ones categorized as _Total
       | failure_ strike me as kind of okay. Not great humor, but tbh
       | better than half my son 's jokes.
        
         | cwillu wrote:
         | That's funny, your mom told me the same thing!
        
         | Peritract wrote:
         | The translation does them no favours, but you could definitely
         | tell all the total failures and get a laugh.
         | 
         | I'm not entirely sure the author understood them.
        
           | bombcar wrote:
           | Considering a lot of jokes depend on a pun or play on words -
           | I was surprised that I could figure out almost all of them.
        
         | dionidium wrote:
         | > _Another person who was going away wrote to a pedant that he
         | should buy him some books. But he regarded the request lightly
         | and said to him on his return, "I did not receive your letter
         | which you sent concerning the books."_
         | 
         | I'm fairly certain the joke here is something like, "you
         | couldn't have known to say you didn't receive the letter unless
         | you actually did get the letter." I'm guessing the translation
         | isn't helping, but it's actually a pretty routine joke. Not a
         | total failure at all!
        
           | samatman wrote:
           | Hi Jan,
           | 
           | Sorry I didn't get back to you with those spreadsheet edits,
           | I must not have gotten your email!
           | 
           | Best, -Joe -- Sent from my iPhone
        
       | RajT88 wrote:
       | Rather than, "That's what she said", I prefer to sneak in "Why
       | thank you!".
       | 
       | I believe the first place I heard the "Why Thank You" bit was in
       | Police Squad / Naked Gun. The signature "confused guy says
       | something unintentionally funny" humor Leslie Neilsen was known
       | for.
        
         | [deleted]
        
         | silisili wrote:
         | Oh man, Leslie Nielsen movies, specifically the Naked Gun
         | series, are my favorite of all time. They are nothing but
         | clever double entendres the whole time. Each time I watch them,
         | I find something new it seems.
        
           | RajT88 wrote:
           | Extremely humor dense. And multiple levels of it as well!
           | 
           | You can enjoy his movies as dumb and silly movies, or you can
           | also enjoy the more clever jokes as well. I definitely did
           | not totally understand everything when I first saw them as a
           | kid.
        
       | vorpalhex wrote:
       | I got the referenced epub and it's quite humorous, despite some
       | translation difficulty.
       | 
       | The very dark jokes are actually quite funny.
        
       | nikanj wrote:
       | My theory for the "why people enjoy this" is: for part A of the
       | population, the situation activates the empathy centers of the
       | brain, and you share the pain. For part B, the bullying centers
       | activate, and you find amusement in the torment of the poor fool.
       | 
       | We all have both centers, only luck will tell which one is wired
       | up to "cringe" stimuli.
        
       | georgeecollins wrote:
       | My theory is that Shakespeare is full of old jokes and old
       | metaphors, for which we don't have an earlier written version. He
       | is this one person that is so often quoted and repeated that it
       | seems unbelievable that he could come up with so many memorable
       | lines. It may be that he was the person who made the works of art
       | that preserved the cliches of his era.
        
         | TillE wrote:
         | It's a good bet that a new phrase which would require
         | explanation is not something you're likely to put in a play.
         | But most of the stuff that Shakespeare scholars credit to him
         | probably _did_ originate with him.
         | 
         | The printing press was well established in Europe by his time
         | (to preserve any prior art), and Shakespeare had an astounding
         | gift for language.
        
         | a_e_k wrote:
         | I was amused to see a performance of All's Well that Ends Well
         | and discover that the "cutting onions" joke goes at least as
         | far back as Shakespeare.
         | 
         | At the very end during the big resolution scene, Lafeu declares
         | "Mine eyes smell onions; I shall weep anon."
        
         | [deleted]
        
       | nigerian1981 wrote:
       | I needed a password eight characters long so I picked Snow White
       | and the Seven Dwarves
        
         | mech422 wrote:
         | Stolen! Currently torturing my friends and co-workers with it
         | :-D
        
           | nigerian1981 wrote:
           | Why thank you!
        
       | GnarfGnarf wrote:
       | I am haunted by the question of whether our ancestors (who were
       | every bit as smart as us) were naive when it came to humor, or
       | have we lost something?
       | 
       | Were Caesar and Henry IV's jesters as hip as Richard Pryor and
       | Lenny Bruce? Did Dave Chapelle-level humor exist in earlier
       | centuries? Charlie Chaplin, Laurel & Hardy etc. were clearly the
       | pinnacle of humor in their day, yet I find their acts trite and
       | boring. Only "Who's on first?" still works.
       | 
       | Dean Martin and Jerry Lewis were hip in the 50's. Today they are
       | _passe_. Is our humor evolving? Are we developing an
       | irreversible, ratcheting level of sophistication? Or was there
       | some ineffable zeitgeist, a quality to the context that we can
       | never recreate?
        
       | renewiltord wrote:
       | This Elitch business appears to be wholesale fabrication.
       | Hilarious. Added here
       | https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Said_the_actress_...
       | but I don't get the joke.
       | 
       | Tom K Elitch, Tomkelitch, Tom Kelitch, Thomas Elitch. Is it just
       | that "Tom Elitch" owns a business on "Broadway"
       | https://clustrmaps.com/a/307mgf/
       | 
       | There's got to be something clever about it unless it's just
       | total nonsense for its own sake. Ineptias ineptias gratia? :D
       | 
       | Touche!
        
       | com2kid wrote:
       | > A pedant was looking for his book for many days but could not
       | find it. By chance as he was eating lettuce and turned a certain
       | corner he saw the book lying there. Later meeting a friend who
       | was lamenting the loss of his girdle, he said, "Do not worry but
       | buy some lettuces and eat them at the corner, when you turn it
       | and go a little ways you fill find it."
       | 
       | Not a a half bad joke making fun of people who are bad at logic
       | and who doesn't understand cause and effect. Quite a few variants
       | of this joke still exist today. It isn't meant to be funny, so
       | much as it is an example of faulty logic taken to an absurd
       | length.
       | 
       | But this type of pattern matching is something people do all the
       | time, and the results of it are often become baked into cultural
       | traditions. From not having fans on in bedrooms to eating
       | <culturally preferred food> when sick to get better faster.
       | Someone witnessed A, then B, then C happen in rapid succession,
       | so they assume A, B, and C are related to each other.
        
         | toast0 wrote:
         | > eating <culturally preferred food> when sick to get better
         | faster.
         | 
         | Some of these are more than just tradition. I'm familiar with
         | having different kinds of soups or maybe eating spicy things.
         | Having soup increases your liquid intake which generally helps
         | your body process stuff (you could of course just drink lots of
         | water, but that's not very culturally significant), spicy
         | things can increase sinus drainage which is helpful too.
        
           | mbg721 wrote:
           | My favorite broken-logic joke about this is that a (pick your
           | favorite ethnicity) grandmother owned two chickens, but one
           | day, one of them got sick. So she killed the healthy chicken
           | and made soup to nurse the other one back to health.
        
         | gnicholas wrote:
         | Like Lisa Simpson's tiger-repelling rock:
         | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSVqLHghLpw
        
       | johnfn wrote:
       | > A pedant was looking for his book for many days but could not
       | find it. By chance as he was eating lettuce and turned a certain
       | corner he saw the book lying there. Later meeting a friend who
       | was lamenting the loss of his girdle, he said, "Do not worry but
       | buy some lettuces and eat them at the corner, when you turn it
       | and go a little ways you fill find it."
       | 
       | This is interesting: it's the sort of quip that, if said
       | extemporaneously in conversation, would probably get someone to
       | laugh. The funny thing would specifically be referencing back to
       | a conversation/event that happened a few days ago. The thing that
       | makes it less funny in the compressed form is that you don't have
       | to put the 2 and 2 together of "oh yeah, that's an event that
       | happened a few days ago which is related to this situation"
       | because the compressed joke has spoon-fed you the context.
       | 
       | Maybe jokes were such a novel form at the time that even the
       | compressed form was still funny back then?
        
         | TremendousJudge wrote:
         | Also, there's something about translated jokes. Not just in the
         | sense of language, but also in the sense of culture. If
         | somebody right now tried to translate a modern English joke to
         | Thai, but only knew about the language through reading the
         | works of Shakespeare, a King James bible and the US legal code,
         | it doesn't seem that the result would be very funny to somebody
         | from Thailand.
        
         | dieselgate wrote:
         | The funniest part of that for me was the "friend lamenting the
         | loss of his girdle"
        
           | prometheus76 wrote:
           | A girdle in that time would now be called a belt.
        
             | dieselgate wrote:
             | Indeed, didn't know that. The last time I used a girdle was
             | for holding hip padding in high school football.
        
         | cecilpl2 wrote:
         | One of my favorite Norm MacDonald jokes:
         | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oseqh7SMIvo
        
           | thesuitonym wrote:
           | The shaggy dog story is a time honoured form of anti-humour.
        
           | nigerian1981 wrote:
           | Currently searching for dog houses on Amazon
        
           | davidw wrote:
           | That was worse than getting rick-rolled.
        
       | Jalad wrote:
       | Not quite as old as some of the jokes in the article but I really
       | like this one from a previous thread:
       | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13587528
       | 
       | For context, the joke is set in the Soviet Union
       | 
       | > Russian engineer got fed up of having all responsibility and
       | low salary, so he moves to another city and pretends to be an
       | ordinary worker, same salary and peace of mind. However, not long
       | after communist party sends him to evening classes. On his first
       | day there at maths class he was asked about circle circumference
       | formula, but for some reason he could not remember it off hand,
       | so he goes on blackboard and tries to work it out with linear
       | integral. After exhausting whole blackboard he finally gets the
       | result:
       | 
       | > -2RPi
       | 
       | > Then all of the sudden he hears all of the class whispering to
       | him: "Change the direction of integration!"
        
         | thesuitonym wrote:
         | The Soviet economy really was more efficient than ours--their
         | shelves were empty decades ago!
        
         | bombcar wrote:
         | Monstrous Regiment by pratchett is basically this joke in novel
         | form.
        
       | racl101 wrote:
       | First time I heard: _that 's what she said_ as a punchline for
       | double-entendres...
       | 
       | was around mid-to-late 90s on _King of the Hill_ and I was a
       | teenager. It was an episode where Ben Stiller guest starred as a
       | new employee who worked with Hank Hill at _Strickland Propane_
       | and the premise was that this new employee (I forget his name)
       | would create a toxic work environment where he 'd make crude
       | jokes about everything and everyone and nobody had the balls to
       | stand up to him except for Hank.
       | 
       | Now, given that writer/producer Greg Daniels, worked in both
       | _King of the Hill_ and _The Office_ I figured that maybe he made
       | the joke prominent in the latter show.
       | 
       | But I'm probably wrong.
        
       | bitcurious wrote:
       | "This inn on the road to Iwanoue is a cold place to sleep...
       | 
       | Oh monk, would you please lend me your robes?
       | 
       | The monk's reply:
       | 
       | Those who have given up the world wear only a single layer of
       | moss-rough cloth,
       | 
       | yet not to offer it would be heartless.
       | 
       | Let us sleep together, then."
       | 
       | A poem/joke by Ono no Komachi from c. 825 -- c. 900
        
       | circa wrote:
       | I didn't see a mention of Chris Farley. He says it in 2 of his
       | movies from the 90s I believe.
        
       | t-3 wrote:
       | I wonder how many of the unintelligible jokes are puns and
       | wordplay? That's one of the most favored categories of jokes, and
       | hardest to translate.
        
       | Digit-Al wrote:
       | I wonder why they had such a thing for pedants.
        
         | Kaibeezy wrote:
         | Iffy translation of "smarty pants" or "Mr know it all"?
        
           | davidw wrote:
           | "Well hello Mr Fancy Pants"
        
           | derbOac wrote:
           | I kind of wondered how much connotation, puns, etc. been lost
           | to us over time. Things like that matter. A lot of these
           | jokes would have a bit more color if "pedant" was seen more
           | as "Mr. know it all".
        
         | singlow wrote:
         | Seems the word being translated is Skholastikos.
         | 
         | At its root its a person who doesn't work. A scholar didn't
         | work and could devote their time to acquiring knowledge. But a
         | lazy person could also be a scholastikos.
         | 
         | So I think here it is getting the double treatment, referring
         | to a person who has lots of book smarts but no common sense.
         | 
         | Pedant kind of makes sense as a person who thinks themselves
         | smart, so perfect for being the butt of a joke about being
         | stupid. Pedant, afterall, was once just a word for teacher in
         | English, but has taken on a negative connotation.
        
           | camjohnson26 wrote:
           | Is that where "pedantic" comes from?
        
             | bee_rider wrote:
             | Pedantic describes the attribute of being a pedant. It is
             | like "employee" and "employed." Hopefully this isn't too
             | pedantic, haha, but they almost seem too closely related to
             | describe one as coming from the other.
        
             | singlow wrote:
             | You are asking whether pedantic is derived from pedant? I
             | assume so. It can both mean like a pedant (emphasizing
             | minutiae) or it can mean just dull, as we often think of
             | classroom activities being dull, which is similar to
             | didactic, although pedantic is probably only used in the
             | negative sense where as didactic still has more
             | neutral/positive usage in addition to meaning dull. So I am
             | not sure if Pedantic ever meant generally to be related to
             | teaching by design or intent.
        
               | homonculus1 wrote:
               | The answer is "yes"
        
         | saxonww wrote:
         | I was wondering the same. Was 'pedant' at the time more like
         | what we'd call 'peasant' today?
        
           | renewiltord wrote:
           | Etymologically appears to be 'headmaster'. I imagine that
           | this and the Cumaeans are just a "pick a specific because
           | it's funny" joke. Partly this makes fun of a certain class
           | intentionally, but partly just because it's specific.
           | 
           | For instance, there are also
           | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sardarji_joke
        
             | trebbble wrote:
             | By the time the translation was made (~1920), it could also
             | be "know-it-all" (I assume this started as a sarcastic use
             | of its sense of "headmaster") which is pretty close to its
             | typical meaning today--to me it implies someone who often,
             | unnecessarily or inappropriately, corrects others, but that
             | may be a recent connotation, and it's still close.
             | 
             | We'd have to find the original text and consult a
             | translation dictionary, I expect, to figure out exactly
             | which sense was intended.
        
       | vlunkr wrote:
       | > I've noticed a disturbing phenomenon: Many people who only
       | recently watched the US version of The Office seem to think that
       | Michael Scott invented That's what she said.
       | 
       | Citation needed on that. Certainly it's been attached to the
       | office, but if you've actually watched it you would know that
       | Micheal Scott never invented a new phrase on purpose.
        
         | RC_ITR wrote:
         | I'm guessing you watched the office (or were at least sentient)
         | during its original run.
         | 
         | It's "classic" TV now, and it's always hard for kids to parse
         | what's new and a allusion in "classic" TV.
        
         | kalimoxto wrote:
         | I think this idea (that the phrase originated with The Office)
         | entered the zeitgeist because of 30 Rock
         | https://youtu.be/Z2DGHRMJQLw
        
         | thesuitonym wrote:
         | ``I've noticed'' is the citation. It's a personal anecdote, not
         | a thesis paper.
        
           | vlunkr wrote:
           | I know, it's just condescending implying that all these
           | office fans don't get the underlying joke.
        
         | [deleted]
        
         | anamexis wrote:
         | The very next sentence says as much.
        
         | trebbble wrote:
         | The author goes on to point out that that's exactly what the
         | joke there is _supposed_ to be--Scott making a mess of attempts
         | to deploy a tired joke _is_ the joke.
         | 
         | A poster in these very comments admitted to having believed
         | that the joke originated with The Office. I suppose the
         | author's "citation" is that they've personally witnessed this
         | enough times to make an educated guess that it's a fairly
         | widespread belief.
        
           | effingwewt wrote:
           | No one in these comments has said they thought that. The
           | closest was someone saying 'he may not have invented it, but
           | he brought it back.
           | 
           | I think you'd be hard pressed to find even a few instances
           | out of the millions of viewers who would have thought Michael
           | Scott invented the phrase.
           | 
           | I just assumed it was hyperbole.
        
             | __david__ wrote:
             | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32346330
        
             | samatman wrote:
             | It certainly had a fad run as 90s slang, thanks to Wayne's
             | World, before the Office was even a glimmer.
        
               | effingwewt wrote:
               | Yea, I'm 41 now, so I guess there goes me being old, but
               | I guess its old enough now that people confuse the
               | origin.
               | 
               | Like when artists cover a song and younger folks don't
               | realize it wasn't the original.
               | 
               | I'll make a mental note to keep in mind I'm old now so as
               | not to become the old man on the porch screaming at kids.
        
               | trebbble wrote:
               | Oh shit I forgot about it being in Wayne's World. That's
               | very likely the first place I heard it.
        
             | trebbble wrote:
             | > Yeah, I appreciated this article -- will confess I
             | definitely thought the joke originated with The Office.
             | 
             | - kevin___
             | 
             | I'd not be a bit surprised if a double-digit percentage of
             | viewers thought the joke originated there.
        
               | effingwewt wrote:
               | I don't know how I missed it.
               | 
               | I guess these days not everyone hears it growing up?
               | 
               | Seems I need to widen my view.
        
               | kevin___ wrote:
               | Didn't expect my first comment to be so controversial!
               | 
               | I just asked a few friends if they thought it came from
               | the show or not. The first person that responded thought
               | it had come from the show as well. The second knew the
               | joke hadn't originated from there, but attributed its
               | popularity to appearing on the show.
        
               | trebbble wrote:
               | > I don't know how I missed it.
               | 
               | Haha, I was sure I'd read that post, but had to look for
               | quite a while to find it again, myself, for some reason.
               | 
               | > I guess these days not everyone hears it growing up?
               | 
               | I'm actually not sure _I_ heard it until after it was on
               | The Office and it was suddenly _everywhere_ , constantly.
               | If I did, it wouldn't have been long before that. "Your
               | mom" was big (LOL, _yeah_ she was) when I was a kid,
               | though.
        
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       | narag wrote:
       | I wonder if the point of the amphora is that pitch will cover the
       | decoration or either it will seal the pores.
        
         | t-3 wrote:
         | I think it's about the decoration, and I'm pretty sure the guy
         | who painted himself in pitch did so in order to pretend he was
         | wearing the leggings he couldn't fit into.
        
           | wahern wrote:
           | Presumably a stolen amphora would have been very fancy and
           | possibly conspicuous, so more specifically the joke works
           | like, a person bought a stolen Picasso to hang in his
           | gallery, but crudely painted it over so he wouldn't get
           | caught.
           | 
           | I totally missed the pants/pitch joke, good catch. Reminds me
           | of an episode of It's Always Sunny where Frank keeps flushing
           | articles of clothing down the toilet and uses black paint to
           | cover up, except it ends up being a pretext for a later,
           | unrelated bit.
        
         | derbOac wrote:
         | That one has kind of turned in over my head a lot. I didn't
         | think of the decoration for some reason when I first read it,
         | but then it made more sense. I also imagine it would be pretty
         | sticky?
         | 
         | I think some of these things would land differently to an
         | audience more intuitively familiar with these things in their
         | daily lives.
        
       | PaulDavisThe1st wrote:
       | These remind me of a category of "joke" that some of my middle-
       | school peers and I engaged in: the non-joke. The only one I can
       | remember went something like: _a man walks into a bakery and asks
       | for two baguettes. The baker looks at him, thinks for a moment
       | and says "It's OK, you can leave your bike outside"_.
       | 
       | Looking back, I think this idea was somehow rooted in the idea
       | that jokes have _delivery_ and that if you use that delivery
       | (rythmn, emphasis, body language) maybe you could say anything
       | and be funny. There was also the peer effect - if you had an
       | audience  "plant" in the school yard that would start the
       | laughter, sometimes it would catch even for these non-jokes.
       | 
       | Decades later, the idea I described above seems both obviously
       | false, but also true, in the sense that a lot of modern stand up
       | is based on "say anything the right way and people laugh".
       | However, "the right way" for standup is very different than the
       | "telling a joke" structure.
       | 
       | On the other hand, it does feel to me at this point that this is
       | the crux of the contemporary poetry slam: read an arbitrary text
       | in the right way, and while it may not win any prizes, it will
       | feel like poetry, because _that 's what make it poetry_.
        
         | dtech wrote:
         | This is also because laughing at jokes is a way to
         | (unconsciously) show that you get it, and/or belong with the
         | "in-crowd". So people tend to laugh at jokes other's find
         | funny, even if they wouldn't themselves, and remember the joke
         | must've been funny because they laughed. Also see: laugh
         | tracks.
        
           | anyfoo wrote:
           | I know what you mean, but it isn't quite the same I think.
           | The anecdote I told in a sibling comment about a friend and
           | me sitting in the back of my mom's car is an example. We were
           | two very good friends, so there was no "in-crowd" dynamic at
           | all, and we were absolutely loosing over it, it was genuinely
           | funny to us. Roughly the same age as what OP stated, so there
           | just seems to be something inherently funny about those non-
           | sequiturs to young folks... maybe that's when you start to
           | "deconstruct" concepts like humor.
        
         | edmcnulty101 wrote:
         | My favorite non-joke.
         | 
         | What did the farmer say when he walked outside and saw that his
         | tractor was gone?
         | 
         | Damn it. My tractor is gone.
        
           | xxs wrote:
           | Unrealistic - insufficient cursing.
        
             | thaumasiotes wrote:
             | I wouldn't expect a lot of cursing in that scenario. I'd
             | expect a lot of cursing from a farmer experiencing some
             | sort of understandable problem that happens to him all the
             | time, but not from one experiencing a mysterious,
             | unexplained emergency.
        
         | smitty1e wrote:
         | That's a non-sequitur, no?
        
         | Max-q wrote:
         | > Looking back, I think this idea was somehow rooted in the
         | idea that jokes have delivery and that if you use that delivery
         | (rythmn, emphasis, body language) maybe you could say anything
         | and be funny.
         | 
         | This is "Friends" summed up. We are only laughing because they
         | tell something like it was funny, and the canned laughter tells
         | our brain to laugh.
        
           | triceratops wrote:
           | > This is "Friends" summed up... the canned laughter
           | 
           | Are you not aware that the show was filmed before a live
           | audience? Watch how the actors pause between lines - they're
           | actually waiting for the crowd to finish laughing. And that's
           | the case for most sitcoms from the previous century.
           | 
           | It might not be your kind of humor. But real audiences found
           | the show funny enough to laugh so long and hard, when they
           | were under no obligation to do so, that the actors had to
           | have unnaturally long pauses between their lines.
           | 
           | Many modern internet commenters have a misguided tendency to
           | automatically dismiss any show with a laugh track as
           | inferior. FWIW I think _Friends_ was a great show for most of
           | its run, with top-notch comic writing, within the constraints
           | of the medium at the time. Sitcoms were nearly always single-
           | camera format, and shot in a studio with a live audience. The
           | storylines had to be accessible to casual watchers. The shows
           | lived and died by weekly ratings, and needed to have ad
           | breaks at specific times, which also influenced the writing,
           | casting, and pacing.
           | 
           | Just to show you that I'm not swayed by mere laugh tracks and
           | longevity, let me also announce that anything made by Chuck
           | Lorre is absolute drivel.
        
         | fastaguy88 wrote:
         | Anyone can tell a joke:
         | 
         | https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=m8raDUn0UgQ
        
         | guelo wrote:
         | Delivery is the crux of a lot of comedians. If they have good
         | delivery they can get away with saying a lot of unfunny, even
         | mean repulsive things, and have the audience laugh along with
         | them
        
         | function_seven wrote:
         | My favorite:
         | 
         | How many pancakes does it take to shingle a roof?
         | 
         | Orange, because snakes don't _have_ armpits!
        
           | twodave wrote:
           | My Dad used to tell this one, but the punchline was "because
           | fish can't eat ice cream!" Thanks for taking me back in time
           | :)
        
         | humanistbot wrote:
         | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-humor
         | 
         | You might enjoy the work of Andy Kaufman.
        
         | salmo wrote:
         | We used to really enjoy a long elaborate joke setup with a let
         | down as the punchline in college.
         | 
         | My favorite was "A patron sees a whale sitting in a booth at
         | the bar". You go on and on about him coming back day after day
         | seeing the wale, describing the beverage, etc. Just improv it.
         | The key is going as long as you can while keeping the audience,
         | but still getting that frustration and tension from them.
         | 
         | At the end the patron gets up the courage to talk to the whale
         | explains to the whale that he had seen him for days, was
         | amazed, etc. Then the whale looked at him and responded [insert
         | best whale noise impression].
         | 
         | Since he passed I've seen a bunch of Norm Macdonald videos of
         | this. He really was the best. The moth joke and others that go
         | on for ~30 mins each on Conan are amazing.
         | 
         | He plays them dumb but is basing them off like Russian
         | literature tropes that go way over the audience's head. The
         | repeated build up, let down, and then finally just a silly
         | punch line that could have landed in 3 sentences is incredible.
         | And his ability to play off Conan's occasional shots...
        
         | gregstoll wrote:
         | The author just wrote an article about this as well -
         | https://dynomight.net/no-soap-radio/
        
           | yccs27 wrote:
           | Some of the variations just had me in tears and I can't
           | really explain why.
           | 
           | Edit: I guess it's the same formula as most jokes: There is
           | some logic in the setup, and the punchline replaces it with a
           | different logic or pattern. Only in this case, the original
           | logic isn't common sense, but the expected pattern of each
           | type of joke. A meta-joke in that regard. It really depends
           | on you being blindsided, but immediately recognizing the new
           | "logic" at the punchline.
        
             | ranger207 wrote:
             | Yeah this is a meme in the modern internet sense, where a
             | large portion of the humor comes from recognizing the
             | format
        
               | brianpan wrote:
               | A joke breaks expectations. Setup: "What kind of bear has
               | no teeth?" Punchline: "A gummy bear" breaks the
               | expectation you have trying to think of a type of animal
               | bear.
               | 
               | Non-jokes or meta-jokes break the expectation but in an
               | unusual way. "Why did the chicken cross the road?"
               | punchline breaks your expectation of an broken
               | expectation. You thought it was a joke, but it turned out
               | to be a statement. The aristocrats joke turns out to be
               | just a dirty story- the story is the "joke".
               | 
               | Memes are not non-jokes or meta jokes. Memes are
               | refillable jokes in a known container. You see the
               | picture, you know what the joke is. Just like a TV sitcom
               | is storytelling/joketelling in a refillable container.
               | You see the kooky friend character, you know how he/she
               | is going to react.
               | 
               | The aristocrats joke happens to also be a refillable
               | container (you can tell/retell it however you want), but
               | that's not the part that makes it a non-joke.
        
               | manimino wrote:
               | "To get to the other side" has a double meaning (to die,
               | perhaps by being hit by a car).
               | 
               | So the chicken joke is not necessarily an anti-joke.
        
         | anyfoo wrote:
         | I remember how intensely funny such non-sequitur jokes were to
         | us at the same age. And they were quite similar to the one you
         | quoted, absolute nonsense.
         | 
         | I vividly remember sitting in the back of my mothers car with a
         | friend and just losing it for laughter. It was uncontrollable
         | and my mother was rather annoyed.
         | 
         | It's almost sad that it doesn't work at all anymore.
        
         | joosters wrote:
         | Kind of related: https://twitter.com/KidsWriteJokes
         | 
         | It's a collection of jokes (apparently) written by children.
         | They aren't funny, in the sense that they make no damn sense.
         | Yet, lots of them are funny in the sense that they are
         | completely ridiculous but you can see what the child was trying
         | to do, i.e. deliver a joke in the same style as they have heard
         | before, e.g.                 Knock, knock       Who's there?
         | A ladybug.       Ladybug who?       A LADYBUG. I just SAID
         | that.
        
         | aantix wrote:
         | "Some people say funny things.
         | 
         | Other people say things funny."
         | 
         | Both can be equally comedic. Looks like you and your friends
         | discovered that.
        
           | nyx wrote:
           | Michael Davis, comedy juggling act: "They say a comic says
           | funny things, but a _comedian_ says things funny. This makes
           | me a juggler. "
           | 
           | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKRrfAzdpW8
        
         | wizofaus wrote:
         | Surely the ultimate non-joke involves querying the purpose of a
         | chicken's road-crossing adventures...
        
           | PaulDavisThe1st wrote:
           | "to die, in the rain"
        
           | zxcvbn4038 wrote:
           | I've never seen a chicken try to cross a road, they always
           | seem to stay well away.
           | 
           | Geese on the other hand seem convinced they are tougher than
           | anything with four wheels.
        
           | happimess wrote:
           | It's a pun. The chicken gets hit by a car and dies. It
           | reaches The Other Side.
        
             | wizofaus wrote:
             | If there's a pun it's one referencing the line from Othello
             | about "this foul proceeding", but good luck coming up with
             | one that would get a laugh outside very select circles.
        
             | swores wrote:
             | Nope, that's a pun you've shared, but it's not _the_
             | definitive answer in any way as you seem to think.
             | 
             | There is no single correct chicken crossing the road joke,
             | but specifically the person you're talking to is speaking
             | about an anti-joke where you don't even get to it crossing
             | the road because you're stuck on the question of why cross
             | the road rather than the act of crossing it.
        
             | anyfoo wrote:
             | That seems to be the recent interpretation (or at least I
             | only recently read about it, it seems to be a thing right
             | now), but I remain unconvinced.
             | 
             | It's just entirely plausible to me that the pun was just a
             | "happy accident", and the originator of the joke really did
             | mean to give a groan-inducing borderline-tautological
             | answer that does not offer any insight besides the obvious.
             | You were expecting a punchline, but your expectation was
             | subverted!
             | 
             | And at least that's also funnier than that lame pun. I'd be
             | pretty disappointed to be honest, but we'll probably never
             | really find out.
        
         | stryan wrote:
         | > Looking back, I think this idea was somehow rooted in the
         | idea that jokes have delivery and that if you use that delivery
         | (rhythm, emphasis, body language) maybe you could say anything
         | and be funny.
         | 
         | Reminds me of the Code Geass abridged series Code MENT (most
         | famously known for the Soup Store[0] meme) which relies on this
         | type of humor heavily. Most of the jokes in it aren't really
         | funny on their own and are essentially just nonsensical
         | statements delivered in strange and distinctive ways rapid fire
         | while VERY loosely related to the plot of Code Geass. But with
         | the right delivery the lines become hilarious and easily
         | quotable: just look at how many Soup Store parodies there are.
         | 
         | [0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAUnDDTz30k
        
           | thaumasiotes wrote:
           | I had a somewhat similar feeling watching _How I Met Your
           | Mother_ -- there are many places where it 's obvious that the
           | show expects you to laugh, but in most of those places, there
           | is no joke. Instead, there's a continuity reference.
        
         | amadeuspagel wrote:
         | "What is purple and hums? An electric grape. Why does it hum?
         | Because it doesn't know the words."
        
         | texaslonghorn5 wrote:
         | I remember a similarly themed non joke where the meaningless
         | and irrelevant punchline was "no soap, radio."
        
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           | saghm wrote:
           | When my father first told me that joke when I was a kid (with
           | "two elephants in a bathtub" rather than one being hippo), I
           | just assumed that the elephant who wanted the soap was named
           | Radio.
        
           | Todd wrote:
           | There was a thread on HN a week ago about this.
           | 
           | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32250203
        
           | Apocryphon wrote:
           | What a delightful practice
           | 
           | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_soap_radio#Execution_of_the.
           | ..
        
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       | reaperducer wrote:
       | For those of you in the Apple ecosystem, Siri was loaded up with
       | a new batch of dad jokes on August first.
       | 
       | Every night before I go to bed, I end the day with, "Hey, Siri,
       | tell me a joke."                  Why is Cinderella so bad at
       | soccer?             She keeps running away from the ball.
       | 
       | Loading up Siri with new jokes every month would be my dream
       | Apple job.
        
         | xxs wrote:
         | Yeah 'soccer' - positioning is very important and running away
         | from the ball is not necessarily incorrect, esp. for the
         | defense.
        
           | rfrey wrote:
           | A few comments above this one there is a subthread on the
           | meaning of "pedant", you might enjoy it.
        
       | dkurth wrote:
       | Re: the age of "That's what she said":
       | 
       | I thumbed through The Frogs (Aristophanes) at a used book store
       | once. This play was written circa 400 BC. In the prologue, one
       | character is offering to entertain the audience with a few jokes,
       | and another character says, "Yes, but not 'That's what she
       | said.'" The joke was too over-used.
       | 
       | I was astounded to think that the joke was _that_ old! But it 's
       | actually not. The old jokes of ancient Athenians were a little
       | too obscure, I guess, so the translator picked a modern example.
       | Still, that translation of The Frogs is from the 1950s, so the
       | joke was old at least that far back. (Here is the translation:
       | https://archive.org/stream/in.ernet.dli.2015.65406/2015.6540...)
        
         | shagie wrote:
         | I looked up some other translations...
         | 
         | 1908 - "Not "Oh, my poor blisters!" -
         | https://archive.org/details/frogstranslatedi00arisuoft/page/...
         | 
         | 1995 - "Anything but "What a strain!""
         | https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext...
         | 
         | Original greek - "plen g' 'os thlibomai.'" -
         | https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/ptext?doc=Perseus:text...
         | 
         | This appears to translate as "except 'as I grieve.'" according
         | to Google Translate -
         | https://translate.google.com/?sl=el&tl=en&text=plen%20g'%20'...
        
           | thaumasiotes wrote:
           | > This appears to translate as "except 'as I grieve.'"
           | according to Google Translate
           | 
           | That Perseus link will give you dictionary entries for the
           | words. Relevant glosses of os appear to be "as; how; so;
           | thus". thlibomai is the passive form of a verb meaning
           | "press; squeeze" and metaphorically "oppress; afflict";
           | examples in the Great Scott (LSJ) show it being used to
           | describe a shoe _pinching_ a foot, a shoulder _rubbing
           | against_ a narrow doorway, lips _pressing against_ each other
           | in a kiss, and the circumstances of poverty _making things
           | difficult_ for a poor person.
           | 
           | So it's easy to imagine that it might feature in the
           | punchline of a pun. But even without constructing a pun, it
           | would be easy to translate that as something like "see how I
           | suffer?", which could be the punchline to any number of
           | jokes. It sounds like a good translation of the modern
           | punchline "first world problems", for example.
        
         | riquito wrote:
         | that one looks more like a very liberal translation to match
         | the present audience (see shagie comment)
        
           | cafeinux wrote:
           | Well, that's what dkurth said.
        
       | cm2187 wrote:
       | Favorite ww2 joke:
       | https://www.reddit.com/r/Jokes/comments/1u11t9/an_raf_vet_is...
        
       | coldtea wrote:
       | > _This is the largest category. You can see what's being
       | attempted, but the joke utterly fails. Sometimes it fails so hard
       | that it almost works as anti-humor. Overwhelmingly these are a
       | variant of "Once this guy did something dumb."_
       | 
       | What the author doesn't get is that those are meant not just as
       | ha-ha jokes, but also as ironic comments on behavior. E.g., his
       | example on this category:
       | 
       | "A pedant was looking for his book for many days but could not
       | find it. By chance as he was eating lettuce and turned a certain
       | corner he saw the book lying there. Later meeting a friend who
       | was lamenting the loss of his girdle, he said, "Do not worry but
       | buy some lettuces and eat them at the corner, when you turn it
       | and go a little ways you fill find it."
       | 
       | This is an ironic remark on how people think what worked for them
       | circumstancially, it will work for others, even in another
       | situation. E.g. this joke could be used almost verbatim as a
       | ironic critique of modern-day cargo cult of success (where
       | copying BS circumstancial things a rich person does, like "waking
       | up at 6am" or "only eat Soylent to save time") is supposed to be
       | how you find success.
       | 
       | Or take:
       | 
       | "Another person who was going away wrote to a pedant that he
       | should buy him some books. But he regarded the request lightly
       | and said to him on his return, "I did not receive your letter
       | which you sent concerning the books.""
       | 
       | The joke here is not about "someone saying something dump", but
       | rather poking fun at "the check is in the post" kind of behavior.
       | 
       | Moving on: "Cumaeans are stupid. I'm not sure what the Cumaeans
       | did to deserve this, but there's a whole section with jokes like
       | this"
       | 
       | The point is not Cumaeans, and those kind of jokes at some group
       | (from the Polish to rednecks) are a staple all across the world -
       | including by those groups made fun of themselves.
       | 
       | Or one he is confused about, which is perfectly clear:
       | 
       | "A pedant had purchased a pair of breeches and since they were
       | very tight and he had difficulty in getting into them, he pulled
       | all the hair off himself."
       | 
       | It just a critique of people doing something supposedly to help
       | with a situation, that actually has zero returns. (the guy
       | couldn't fit in his clothes, so he shaved his body hair - as if
       | that would make much of dent to his body volume).
       | 
       | One can see that there are tons of examples of this behavior in
       | modern life (and, alas, in programming).
       | 
       | The author says he is especially confused about this joke, but
       | the meaning is, once again, totally clear:
       | 
       | "A shrewd fellow whilst wrestling fell into the mud and in order
       | that he might not seem to be clumsy, he got up entirely covered
       | with mud and stood conceitedly through the whole contest."
       | 
       | It's again poking fun at the well known "save face" behavior,
       | that if you accidently fail at something, you can try make it
       | appear like you didn't fail, but rather intended what happened.
       | There are like 100 examples of the same exact behavior in modern
       | comedy movies.
       | 
       | In essense, the author appears to take the jokes too literaly or
       | as actual advice, fails to see their point, and in general
       | appears to be quite the ...pedant, like the butt of some of those
       | jokes!
        
         | amadeuspagel wrote:
         | > "A pedant had purchased a pair of breeches and since they
         | were very tight and he had difficulty in getting into them, he
         | pulled all the hair off himself."
         | 
         | > It just a critique of people doing something supposedly to
         | help with a situation, that actually has zero returns. (the guy
         | couldn't fit in his clothes, so he shaved his body hair - as if
         | that would make much of dent to his body volume).
         | 
         | I understood this joke differently: You're supposed to pull the
         | breeches to get into them, but the guy pulled his hair instead.
        
         | kevin___ wrote:
         | Yeah, I appreciated this article -- will confess I definitely
         | thought the joke originated with The Office. I think the author
         | just missed a lot of the punchlines in the jokes that they
         | didn't find funny, many of these formats are still in use
         | today!
         | 
         | The one you describe is a classic format: someone has a
         | problem, then through accidental, unrelated circumstances,
         | solves it. They meet someone else with the same problem, and
         | the punchline is that their advice is "have you tried..?"
         | 
         | > A pedant having fallen into a pit called out continually to
         | summon help. When no one answered, he said to himself, "I am a
         | fool if I do not give all a beating when I get out in order
         | that in the future they shall answer me and furnish me with a
         | ladder."
         | 
         | The author ends being unsure their strategy is sound -- but the
         | point of the joke is that it's clearly not sound, and one that
         | would only make sense to a pedant.
         | 
         | > "Another person who was going away wrote to a pedant that he
         | should buy him some books. But he regarded the request lightly
         | and said to him on his return, "I did not receive your letter
         | which you sent concerning the books.""
         | 
         | The punchline is that the pedant clearly received the letter,
         | or he wouldn't know to say that the he's claiming to have not
         | received concerned books. Today it might be: "Hey, did you get
         | my text message?" "The one asking if you could borrow my car?
         | No, I didn't."
        
       | fugalfervor wrote:
        
       | macspoofing wrote:
       | >Many people who only recently watched the US version of The
       | Office seem to think that Michael Scott invented That's what she
       | said
       | 
       | He didn't invent it, but he brough it back.
        
         | tootie wrote:
         | Part of his character was his relentless imitation of classic
         | comedians. He does terrible impressions of Bill Cosby, Rodney
         | Dangerfield, Henny Youngman, Dan Aykroyd. He wins over Holly
         | when she recognizes his Jon Lovitz impersonation.
        
       | z9znz wrote:
       | Sorry, as a self-discovered empath...
       | 
       | > Why enjoy this and not videos of people falling off of
       | skateboards
       | 
       | Because watching people suffer makes me _really_ suffer.
       | 
       | That's why the Office and other Ricky Gervais self-deprecation
       | shows were fun but also very painful. However, his After Life
       | series was incredibly touching. Even thinking about it makes me
       | emotional.
        
       | fleddr wrote:
       | A seal walks into a bar, hops on a chair and orders a beer.
       | 
       | Bar tender: "A talking seal! I've never seen anything like this.
       | You should go work in a circus!"
       | 
       | Seal: "Why? Does the circus need microservice architects?"
        
         | justusthane wrote:
         | What do you call a black guy sitting at the front of a plane?
         | 
         | A pilot.
        
         | fleddr wrote:
         | A man sits on the train and as he looks up, he sees a dinosaur
         | sitting across him.
         | 
         | "A dinosaur? on the train? What on earth is happening?"
         | 
         | Dinosaur: "Well, don't get used to it. Tomorrow my car is
         | fixed".
        
           | justusthane wrote:
           | Two muffins are sitting in an oven. The first muffin says,
           | "Man, sure is getting warm in here." The second muffin says,
           | "GOOD LORD, IT'S A TALKING MUFFIN!"
        
       | dieselgate wrote:
       | In regards to old jokes this just made me think of "phallic
       | imagery" being discovered as graffiti in Roman cities/Pompeii.
       | 
       | Along with "And he says, 'do you love me,' and she says, 'no! But
       | that's a real nice ski mask'"
        
       | bambax wrote:
       | > _One of the twin brothers died and a pedant meeting the
       | survivor asked him, "Did you die, or was it your brother?"_
       | 
       | When I was young someone told me a very, very similar joke and
       | attributed it to Mark Twain: "We were twins. One of us died. I
       | could never tell if it was my brother or I."
        
       | wwilim wrote:
       | I recently found an article about Ancient Roman jokes. My
       | favourite went something like this. Apparently, "logic jokes" are
       | ancient as well.
       | 
       | > A man asked a friend to buy two 15-year old slaves for him next
       | time he visits the market. After a few days, the friend returns
       | and says: "I couldn't find any 15-year old slaves at the market,
       | so I bought you one 30-year old slave."
        
         | blippage wrote:
         | Michael Jackson goes up to Elton John: "I'll swap you a ten for
         | two fives."
        
         | mulmen wrote:
         | Old farmhand wisdom:
         | 
         | "One boy is worth half a man. Two is worth nothing."
         | 
         | Heard that one after wasting 10 minutes chatting instead of
         | loading the truck.
        
       | mgkimsal wrote:
       | Dorian Gray jokes _never_ get old...
        
       | russellbeattie wrote:
       | I happened to see a black and white video of Flip Wilson telling
       | his infamous baby joke on the Tonight Show [1], and thought to
       | myself that I _barely_ know who he was, let alone anyone born
       | after me.
       | 
       | Seems like a great way to build a following on TikTok would just
       | be to go through the countless hours of standup comedy that was
       | shown night after night on late night TV in the 50s and 60s,
       | cherry pick the best bits and just start making clips. Even if
       | you were called out for copying, a funny bit is a funny bit.
       | Think of the wealth of material from George Burns, Milton Berle
       | or Carol Burnett that could be reintroduced to the world as 30
       | second vids.
       | 
       | 1. https://youtu.be/xG3v_kA0Stw
        
       | larsrc wrote:
       | Even some of the puns in Shakespeare's plays have become lost due
       | to language and social change. I would not be surprised if a
       | bunch of the old jokes, especially the apparently non-sensical
       | ones, are puns or have punny elements.
        
         | dtech wrote:
         | especially double entendres or meanings more common in speaking
         | language than writing language, or theater for Ancient Greek,
         | might very well have been lost to time.
        
         | joshuaissac wrote:
         | There are some renditions of Shakespeare's plays with
         | pronunciations from where and when they were written. It
         | recaptures some of the puns and jokes that are not apparent in
         | most modern accents.
         | 
         | https://youtu.be/gPlpphT7n9s
        
         | bambax wrote:
         | Shakespeare didn't recoil from putting puns in the titles of
         | his plays either! For example, "nothing" was a placeholder for
         | ladyparts (no-thing: the absence of the 'thing', the thing
         | being, of course, the penis).
         | 
         | And so, "Much Ado About Nothing" doesn't really mean "a lot of
         | fuss for no reason". Or maybe it does, but it carries a strong
         | double entendre: "make noise for the pussy".
        
       | scrypter wrote:
       | ""That's what she said" - Some Guy" -Michael Scott
        
       | jodrellblank wrote:
       | Not as old, but there is an Esperanto book of "113 humorous
       | things" from around 1910, and so many of them are mother-in-law
       | jokes or husbands and wives hating each other, e.g.
       | 
       | 15. "Mother, I don't want to marry Ricardo, he says that Hell
       | doesn't exist!". "Calm youself, little daughter, when I am his
       | mother-in-law I will convince him of it".
       | 
       | 18. is roughly "In a country it rained (a lot or a little?). One
       | farmer said 'This year, out of the ground will come everthing we
       | put beneath it'. His colleague said 'By God, don't say that,
       | friend! My mother-in-law is down there!'".
       | 
       | 21. A widower was showing some friendly guests around his garden.
       | "Look", he said, "There is the tree where my three unhappy wives
       | hanged themselves". One of the attendees, who was a husband,
       | asked for a cutting from the tree - that he might plant it in his
       | garden.
       | 
       | 24. A fiance gave confession on the day of his wedding.
       | Afterwards he said "Father, you forgot to give me the
       | punishment". "No", said the clever priest, "you already have it".
       | 
       | 30. "See that man? I hate him". "Why?". "He asked before me for
       | my wife's hand, and she refused him!".
       | 
       | 78. "Dear friend, why don't you want your son to marry?". "I
       | don't want my wife to become a mother-in-law".
       | 
       | 90. "How is your mother-in-law doing?". "She's getting better,
       | but I haven't lost all hope."
       | 
       | 96. A servant calls to his sleeping master 'Sir! Sir! Your
       | mother-in-law just died!'. "Oh! How much sadness I will have in
       | the morning when I wake from this dream" replied the son-in-law.
       | 
       | Some are plausible jokes but not very funny. e.g.
       | 
       | 14. "Waiter, Omelette!", "We have none". "Meat?" "Also none".
       | "Fish?" "Also none". "So why say one can eat according to their
       | desires?" "Sir, it means the desire of the restaurant owner".
       | 
       | 29. "The drum you sold me makes no sound". "I hoped as much".
       | "And why do you make drums?" "To sell them".
       | 
       | 35. "Is God everywhere?" "Yes, father". "Then he is in the yard
       | of your house?". "No, father". "Why not, stupid boy?". "My house
       | doesn't have a yard, respected teacher."
       | 
       | Some are reasonable:
       | 
       | 19. In a Barber's shop: "How would you like me to shave you?"
       | "Silently".
       | 
       | 10. A 60 year old woman and her daughter looks the same age. "One
       | claims they are two daughters" says the census taker, "but you
       | could more rightly say they are two mothers".
       | 
       | 71. "It'd be a miracle if I win the lottery." "What's your
       | number?" "None." "Then how will you be able to win?". "That's why
       | I said it would be a miracle!".
       | 
       | [1] http://www.elerno.cn/elibro/113humorajoj.pdf
        
       | loxs wrote:
       | Before reading this, I thought I am sort of proficient in
       | English. Not any more... Haven't looked up so many words in years
        
         | papandada wrote:
         | Never get into a synonym duel with a translator ... you will
         | not prevail
        
       | VyseofArcadia wrote:
       | I've come to appreciate Brooklyn 99's "title of your sex tape" as
       | a fresh new twist on "that's what she said". I especially like
       | how it's usually nonsensical or sad.
       | 
       | > I can't find anything, and I don't know what to do!
       | 
       | > Title of your sex tape
        
       | geocrasher wrote:
       | I have been known to tell jokes that have punchlines that are
       | twisted in such a way that if you don't catch on, you will think
       | I am either an idiot, or a horrible person.                  Two
       | guys have fast cars and decide one day to have a contest to see
       | whose car is faster. I can't tell you the rest of the joke
       | though. It's racist.
       | 
       | See, if you get it, you laugh. If you don't get it, I'm suddenly
       | a very bad person. I told this joke in public, to a stranger,
       | once. They thanked me for not telling them the punchline (not
       | realizing of course that that WAS the punchline). I don't tell
       | this joke anymore. Well, except here. But there's context.
        
         | leonhard wrote:
         | Ok I'll bite. I don't get it but I also don't even think you're
         | racist, I'm just completely lost. Maybe it's a non-native
         | English issue? Please elaborate
        
       | jpswade wrote:
       | https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ThatsWhatSheSaid
        
       | jonathankoren wrote:
       | Nasruddin had some good jokes.
       | 
       | Mullah Nasruddin was traveling when he came to a town. The elders
       | of the town asked him to give a sermon at the temple, which he
       | grudgingly accepted. On the appointed day, he strode to the
       | pulpit and asked the congregation, "Do you know what I'm about to
       | say?" To which they replied, no they did not. He looked at them
       | with disappointment and said, "Well, I'm not going to waste my
       | time talking a bunch of people that don't know what I'm talking
       | about," and left.
       | 
       | Another:
       | 
       | Nasruddin was taking a shortcut through a cemetery, when passed a
       | funeral. Speaking to the mourners, the officiant said, "Today we
       | have buried a politician and a good man." Shocked, Nasruddin
       | said, "I did not know that times were so hard here, that you had
       | to bury a two people in a single grave."
        
         | danielodievich wrote:
         | When I was 10 or 11, my father slipped me a book of Hodja
         | Nasruddin. I _LOVED_ it and went around sprouting witticisms
         | and clever jokes to my friends. Most of them landed well, with
         | an occasional thud or kids rolling their eyes at me at the
         | weirdness or oldness of the jokes. Some of those still come up
         | in my day to day use. Timeless stuff!
        
       | renewiltord wrote:
       | Hilarious! I think this is made doubly amusing by the fact that I
       | make jokes like the ones in his "Total Failure" category.
       | 
       | > _A pedant was looking for his book for many days but could not
       | find it. By chance as he was eating lettuce and turned a certain
       | corner he saw the book lying there. Later meeting a friend who
       | was lamenting the loss of his girdle, he said, "Do not worry but
       | buy some lettuces and eat them at the corner, when you turn it
       | and go a little ways you fill find it."_
       | 
       | For instance, I was in a motorcycle accident recently, but also
       | coincidentally got a great deal on a Peloton. Someone asked me
       | how I got it for cheaper and I explained that it involved first
       | learning to ride a motorcycle and then colliding with a car.
       | 
       | Personally, I found the whole thing hilarious, but written down
       | it sounds totally nonsensical, which makes it even funnier.
        
       | fleddr wrote:
       | A recent favorite, which you can use whenever something bad
       | happens in the world:
       | 
       | "My grandfather of 73 y/o didn't fight in WW1 and WW2 to let it
       | come to this!"
       | 
       | "What?? He wasn't even born in WW1, and a toddler in WW2!"
       | 
       | "Like I said, he _didn 't_ fight".
        
       | anyfoo wrote:
       | > (I can't enjoy this kind of thing [The Office] --I feel only
       | agony. Why enjoy this and not videos of people falling off of
       | skateboards? But I guess most people are different.)
       | 
       | This was only a tangent, but I agree with this. I really don't
       | like "cringe" humor.
       | 
       | There seems to be an entire British subgenre catering to that
       | (which apparently the British original of The Office is a part
       | of), and _only_ to that. It 's pretty extreme. As far as I know
       | The Office in the US was retooled to be more "funny" than the
       | original, which was apparently just cringe. (Didn't watch it so
       | it was hard to say, but I've tried to watch other similar British
       | shows like that.)
       | 
       | Fortunately it's only a subgenre, because there's plenty of other
       | British comedy that is absolutely, and famously, fantastic... If
       | you haven't watched Coupling, Look Around You, or The Peter
       | Serafinowicz show, you're really missing out!
        
         | closewith wrote:
         | The reason this kind of cringe-worthy humour becomes popular is
         | that almost everyone identifies with one or more of characters.
         | When they're young and/or insecure, it seems almost unbearable
         | to watch, but they're not sure why. As they grow older, it
         | becomes relatable as they become less self-conscious and more
         | self-aware.
        
         | Jenk wrote:
         | At the time of The Office release here (UK) it was a perfect
         | satire. Many of us (not just in my bubble but according to lots
         | of popular media outlets) very much had a socially-desperate
         | David Brent for a boss, try-hard Gareth and drifter Keith as
         | peers and we very much associated with Tim and/or Dawn who felt
         | trapped in a world surrounded by the above metaphorically
         | spinning our wheels in the mud of (then) modern office life
         | with no prospects or hope in life.
        
           | anyfoo wrote:
           | Obviously it appeals to a lot of people, it wouldn't be so
           | successful otherwise, and I'm not here to bash people's
           | taste. It's just that _for me personally_ I probably would
           | not want to be reminded /wallowing in that in my
           | entertainment if I was in the same situation, and as someone
           | who not in that situation it just feels like looking at a
           | train wreck. But I can totally understand how people feel
           | differently and it allows them to relate and laugh about it.
        
             | Jenk wrote:
             | What I was trying to say is that I don't think it would
             | have as much success as it did then, if it were released
             | today. The number of "lifer" employees with no aspirations
             | is vanishingly small compared to 20+ years ago.
        
         | jmkd wrote:
         | Nighty Night [0] is the peak of this wonderful (to me)
         | subgenre. Top question on Google search "Is Nighty Night
         | funny?"
         | 
         | Couple of great quotes from the Wikipedia page [1] "The
         | Guardian called it "an exquisitely vile comic creation" and
         | adding that "The Office might have popularised the comedy of
         | embarrassment, but Nighty Night has moved it on." The Times
         | called it "a blistering wall of superbly unredeemed cruelty
         | that manages to trample over every social convention in a pair
         | of cheap stilettos."
         | 
         | [0]https://www.google.com/search?q=%22nighty+night%22
         | [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nighty_Night#Reception
        
         | FabHK wrote:
         | > British subgenre
         | 
         | A British comedy series I can recommend wholeheartedly is _The
         | IT Crowd_ (available on Netflix, at least in some countries).
         | 
         | An exemplar of the subgenre "what on earth were they smoking?"
         | is _The Mighty Boosh_.
         | 
         | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_IT_Crowd
         | 
         | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mighty_Boosh_(TV_series)
        
       | pwdisswordfish0 wrote:
       | I'm surprised noone has brought up what I recall being told was
       | the oldest known joke. Not sure about the specifics, but IIRC
       | it's from a mesopotamian cuneiform tablet and goes something like
       | "Name something that never happened -- A wife has never farted in
       | her husband's lap". Supposedly a reference to the common
       | knowledge at the time that everyone involved (or maybe just the
       | wife) would vehemently deny it if it did happen, or perhaps
       | awkwardly pretend it didn't happen, knowing well that everyone
       | noticed and politely joins in the pretense.
       | 
       | I don't like it when people act as if these were objectively bad
       | jokes. Many jokes are very dependent on a specific cultural
       | moment as well as carefully crafted wording. Lots of current
       | jokes fall can flat if you slightly change the phrasing, even if
       | they aren't word play. And then there's delivery, pacing, knowing
       | your audience...
       | 
       | Surely widespread literacy and technology allow modern people to
       | develop comparably sophisticated tastes just by the sheer wealth
       | of entertainment we consume, but people 5000 years ago were still
       | people and I'm sure they found humour in similar places as we do.
       | 
       | edit: here's a source: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-joke-
       | odd-idUSKUA147851200... Again, I would take issue with the
       | reduction to "toilet humour". Clearly the comedy of manners
       | aspect plays the larger role, even if farts are somehow eternally
       | funny.
        
         | RajT88 wrote:
         | I would suggest that humor itself evolves. That we enjoy
         | flavors of humor which are novel and new and specific to our
         | cultural moment.
         | 
         | Internet humor is big on surreal non-sequiturs. I suspect that
         | while it may have existed as a style of humor before the
         | internet, that it may not have existed 3000 years ago as a
         | style of humor.
        
           | q7xvh97o2pDhNrh wrote:
           | Phillip J. Fry, his hand outstretched, holding a stack of
           | money.
        
             | pwdisswordfish0 wrote:
             | Great Star Trek reference, that's exactly what I mean
        
           | pwdisswordfish0 wrote:
           | I suppose that must be true in as much as technology and
           | culture influence each other, but while the term "meme" is
           | fairly new, the phenomenon is quite universal. Like, what's
           | funny about Kilroy Was Here [0] or drawing that
           | constructivist S-shape in elementary school [1]?
           | 
           | Another thing to consider apart from cultural differences and
           | translations is that a lot can go wrong betwen a hit joke
           | being told and a scribe getting around to immortalising it.
           | It's obviously a game of telephone. Comedy is a craft and
           | written comedy is different from stage comedy. I can imagine
           | a joke absolutely killing at the end of a stand-up set, but
           | falling flat when told in isolation, because it was a call-
           | back or otherwise profited from a primed audience. It's quite
           | likely that someone might naively retell only the bit that
           | got the laughs and only then realise their mistake. Or the
           | shared experience of the audience might elevate a bit to an
           | in-joke that is only funny to them because they know the
           | rest. Decades later, only the devolved memes that obliquely
           | reference this shared knowledge survive in writing and future
           | generations are left wondering what was wrong with their
           | ancestors' odd humour.
           | 
           | Here's hoping future generations will be aware of Douglas
           | Adams' work, but it seems entirely possible that in a
           | thousand years, people will speculate why our we found towels
           | or the number 42 so funny.
           | 
           | [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kilroy_was_here [1]
           | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cool_S
        
         | endofreach wrote:
         | Totally agree. Though I must say, i believe any joke today that
         | gets printed on something, is almost certainly an objectively
         | bad joke.
        
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