[HN Gopher] Anime retailer Right Stuf has been acquired by Sony/...
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       Anime retailer Right Stuf has been acquired by Sony/Aniplex
        
       Author : davidhaymond
       Score  : 36 points
       Date   : 2022-08-04 17:33 UTC (5 hours ago)
        
 (HTM) web link (www.rightstufanime.com)
 (TXT) w3m dump (www.rightstufanime.com)
        
       | dragontamer wrote:
       | Hmm.
       | 
       | A lot of my favorite anime still come in from Hidive / Sentai
       | Filmworks. I really enjoyed "Ya Boy Kongming" for example. And
       | Sentai Filmworks are the current owners of When they Cry (2006)
       | and Fate/Stay (2006).
       | 
       | I'm definitely worried about consolidation wiping out the
       | competition. Then again, I hope people can give Hidive / Ya Boy
       | Kongming a try. Its basically an idol anime crossed with Chinese
       | Romance-of-the-Three-Kingdoms / Zhuge Liang as the manager, and
       | my favorite anime this year so far. Give the first episode a try,
       | there's ~3 songs in there. If the songs match your musical
       | tastes, you'll probably enjoy the show. And yes, that's a Liu Bei
       | reference. (Liu Bei visits Zhuge Liang 3 times before the young
       | tactician agrees to join Liu Bei's cause. This parallel's young
       | Eiko's journey as an idol, as she sings three times before Zhuge
       | Liang is convinced to help her). Its actually an excellent mix of
       | subtle Three Kingdoms stories with a good idol anime.
       | 
       | Crunchyroll/Funimation merging, and Sony/Aniplex all being
       | involved here is convenient for sure, I like a lot of what they
       | do. But anime has a lot of niches, and one mega-company will
       | inevitably have blind spots over time. Most of my favorites are
       | in Crunchyroll / Funimation and even Aniplex (Ex: Oddtaxi,
       | Madoka, Dragonball Z/Super).
        
         | ihuman wrote:
         | Hidive and Sentai Filmworks aren't independent, either. AMC
         | Networks (the channel, not the movie theater) bought them about
         | half a year ago.
        
         | davidhaymond wrote:
         | Ya Boy Kongming looks fantastic and I absolutely plan on
         | subscribing to HIDIVE later this year. I have a lot of Sentai
         | Blu-rays and I hope they continue to license good shows.
        
       | superchroma wrote:
       | I suspect that with the consolidation of players in the anime
       | streaming and merchandise spaces in the west, we will see western
       | values increasingly pushed into the medium, as many voices are
       | unified into fewer bigger ones with increasing financial
       | influence.
       | 
       | I'm not particularly excited for this as the big players have
       | already demonstrated themselves to be conservative and censorious
       | when it suits in other areas. I think we're on the edge of the
       | hollywood-ization of the medium. Crunchyroll has already been
       | apparently involved in the production of a bunch of programmes,
       | and was directly responsible for High Guardian Spice, which I
       | think few people have anything nice to say about.
        
         | _notathrowaway wrote:
         | I don't buy it. For better or worse Japanese studios have
         | proved time and time again to not really care about the west.
         | Just look at how expensive and hard it is to import their
         | (usually not localized) stuff. Japan lives in its own isolation
         | bubble and western values are of no concern to most Japanese
         | people.
        
           | antonymy wrote:
           | Netflix and other streaming platforms have made inroads into
           | anime production committees, but you are correct in that so
           | far very little overall impact is seen in the industry. The
           | Japanese domestic market is still the chief driver of demand
           | for new anime, and success overseas doesn't seem to really
           | inspire a response from most of the anime industry. I
           | wouldn't say they're "isolated", since the market has been
           | penetrated by the west, it's more like they're indifferent to
           | western money.
           | 
           | I think Aniplex is in a position to change this, but the
           | difficulty is going to be luring the studios since money
           | doesn't seem to have as big an impact as one would expect.
        
           | ThrowawayR2 wrote:
           | That seems rather out of touch? The vast majority of TV
           | broadcast anime series every season are licensed for
           | simulcast by streaming services in North America and that has
           | been the case for several years now. At a casual glance at
           | the TV tab of
           | https://myanimelist.net/anime/season/2022/spring , I think at
           | least 2/3 are licensed by western streaming services. There's
           | enough revenue that they can't afford not to care.
        
         | ihuman wrote:
         | They're already proving your point by immediately removing 18+
         | items from the store https://www.rightstufanime.com/removed-
         | items-faq
        
         | krapp wrote:
         | That might be true if "western values" (whatever that's
         | supposed to mean) were a primary determining factor in what
         | anime Westerners chose to watch, and if it were still the 1990s
         | when things like cigarettes, guns and LGBT relationships were
         | routinely cut out of anime for Western release. But looking at
         | the MyAnimeList page for Summer 2022 anime[0] I don't see signs
         | of the "hollywoodization" you're talking about. The selling
         | point for these services is immediacy, not censorship.
         | 
         | [0]https://myanimelist.net/anime/season
        
           | aidenn0 wrote:
           | I think the point GP made is that it doesn't matter what
           | anime Westerners choose to watch, it matters what anime the
           | fewer number of players want to license.
           | 
           | [edit]
           | 
           | I personally don't think that will be an issue because I
           | don't see Netflix turning down an anime that Crunchyroll
           | refuses to carry...
        
             | a1369209993 wrote:
             | > I don't see Netflix turning down an anime that
             | Crunchyroll refuses to carry
             | 
             | Oh hey! I have a litmus test handy! Got a citation for
             | Netflix carrying "Ishuzoku Reviewers"?
        
               | aidenn0 wrote:
               | I didn't realize there was an anime adaption of that; I
               | read the first few chapters of the manga a while ago and
               | my impression was that it was a "sex comedy" that was
               | neither sexy nor funny; does it get better?
               | 
               | In addition; Per wikipedia, Tokyo MX and SUN both
               | canceled their airing of it as well, so it's not strictly
               | _western_ sensibilities that it is failing.
        
           | dotnet00 wrote:
           | At the moment the extent of it is mostly that sometimes dubs
           | or subtitles are changed by overeager translators trying to
           | leave their mark, in the process changing the meaning or
           | intent of the dialog. Rough examples that come to mind are
           | changing jokes that can potentially be interpreted as sexist
           | or even less justifiable cases of changing dialog for the
           | sake of adding in meme language like "sus". There are also
           | cases of trying to get rid of features of japanese like
           | honorifics because of the samewhat strange assumption that
           | western audiences can't be expected to understand them,
           | despite them being pretty normal to the anime community.
           | Personally I also miss the approach that older fan subtitles
           | used to have of including TL notes for things that don't
           | necessarily translate cleanly, it was a nice way to respect
           | the original material.
           | 
           | For now, it doesn't really have too much of an effect since
           | Crunchyroll and Netflix's subtitles already don't really have
           | a good reputation. But it's certainly a sign that if they
           | could get away with it, they'd definitely do more.
        
           | superchroma wrote:
           | Right, but immediacy is already solved. The streaming side is
           | solved by platforms already, and the translation side is
           | solved by having a sweatshop of translators and maybe
           | eventually algorithms to help, too. We've had immediacy for
           | some time now, already.
           | 
           | Moving on, I don't think you will see changes prominently on
           | anichart or MAL anytime soon; the point is that it's gradual
           | and more subtle than that. Crunchyroll was already involved
           | with 60 productions apparently. Conceptually, in a
           | hypothetical "worst case", they could have been influencing
           | artistic choices for each of those programs. We do know they
           | did one: High Guardian Spice is a particularly explicit
           | example of an anime deliberately constructed to western
           | progressive specifications. A lot of people are rather unkind
           | about it, but that's really immaterial; what it really is is
           | a clumsy first attempt at end-to-end control of the anime
           | pipeline from script, to production, to distribution. They
           | didn't find a winning formula with it, but they'll keep
           | trying because there's too much money on the table.
           | 
           | So, I do think that this change in tone is imminently about
           | to happen. Weatern values have already been injected in other
           | forms in localized content too, e.g. in our uptightness about
           | certain types of expressions of sexuality (e.g. that which is
           | perceived to be pervy; e.g, the infilling of "boob-windows"
           | and covering of midriffs in localized games), and with
           | activist translators who deliberately whitewash phrases they
           | find problematic and also who select progressive translation
           | choices over neutral ones.
           | 
           | The bottom line to me is that the money men have zero
           | interest in the integrity of the mediums in which they
           | dabble. As you note, there's precedent; in the 90's, it was
           | 4kids dubs which routinely butchered shows, sometimes
           | extremely. The nature of the interference will change with
           | the standards of the day, but the fundamentals don't.
        
         | quartesixte wrote:
         | What might happen is a return of the original Anime market and
         | (hopefully) more steady pay for animators.
         | 
         | The Japanese domestic market is dominated mostly by Manga,
         | Light Novels, Visual Novel, (and now Gacha games) anyways, with
         | Anime mostly being a cherry on-top for those things.
         | Occasionally there will be a good adaptation or a good original
         | Anime product but the industry's been suffering a little bit.
         | This new cash infusion might be healthy and allow for enough
         | animators to be paid a livable wage that lets them go off and
         | do crazy adventurous things as they advance in their careers.
        
       | norwalkbear wrote:
       | Monopolies and industry consolidation should be illegal. If only
       | Congress would do its job.
        
       | aidenn0 wrote:
       | I'm old enough to have ordered anime from their catalog, back
       | when your choices for Anime were driving to a big city that had a
       | specialty store, getting it from a catalog, or copying fansubs on
       | VHS tapes.
       | 
       | [edit]
       | 
       | I forgot "random anime tapes that got thrown in the children's
       | section of your pre-blockbuster VHS rental store." as another way
       | to find anime.
        
       | teg4n_ wrote:
       | Why the hell are they punting erotica to a different store. God I
       | hate this major corporation puritan bs.
        
         | revscat wrote:
         | It's universal, too. I don't get it.
        
           | trothamel wrote:
           | It seems to be enforced by the credit card companies and
           | processors, who likely charge more to process transactions
           | for companies that involve pornography. (Probably due to the
           | spurious chargebacks.)
        
             | qball wrote:
             | >It seems to be enforced by the credit card companies and
             | processors
             | 
             | Who are an unofficial arm of the US government.
             | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Choke_Point
        
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             | ihuman wrote:
             | If that's the case, then why was Right Stuf able to sell it
             | before?
        
             | yieldcrv wrote:
             | Can we make them public utilities too so that they can't
             | discriminate?
        
             | HeyItsMatt wrote:
             | Nothing to do with transaction risk. Congress and the
             | executive branch have a myriad of ways to harm a large
             | business if they don't get what they want.
             | 
             | Visa's issues with religious fundamentalists started in the
             | Tipper Gore days. During the Bush presidency it was nearly
             | impossible for a porn site to get a US payment processor.
        
         | btown wrote:
         | It's common to joke about the puritanism coming from the major-
         | corporation side of these acquisitions, but in fact
         | Funimation's ex-CEO Gen Fukunaga, years before Funimation was
         | acquired by Sony, himself founded a Christian film studio and
         | hired former Senator Rick Santorum to be CEO [0]. The two
         | companies shared office space [1] and at least one common staff
         | member outside of leadership.
         | 
         | Of the venture, Santorum said in 2013, "This is a tough
         | business, this is something that we're stepping out, and the
         | Devil for a long, long time has had this, these screens, for
         | his playground and he isn't going to give it up easily." [2]
         | 
         | [0] https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/answerman/2014-01-24
         | (second Q&A)
         | 
         | [1] https://www.dallasnews.com/news/2013/08/02/rick-santorum-
         | chr...
         | 
         | [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R63yutg7cjo
        
         | superchroma wrote:
         | Sony has been strongly against it for some time. They have
         | previously demanded that game studios like XSEED censor their
         | games to allow a western playstation release (e.g. senran
         | kagura's "intimacy mode") as part of an effort to clean up. A
         | cursory search reveals this had happened to a number of titles.
         | I've seen many examples of Nintendo doing the same.
         | 
         | Apparently they're also targeting extreme violence too, which I
         | hadn't heard about.
         | https://www.gamepressure.com/newsroom/playstation-censorship...
         | 
         | It's disappointing that Sony et al feel that they have a right
         | to control the user in this way, albeit unsurprising.
         | Fundamentally, consoles aren't open platforms, and principled
         | user rights advocates shouldn't support them.
        
           | lovich wrote:
           | > It's disappointing that Sony et al feel that they have a
           | right to control the user in this way, albeit unsurprising.
           | 
           | Do they have to produce content they don't want to have a
           | hand in making?
        
             | superchroma wrote:
             | They can make - aka pay for - whatever games they want, but
             | in terms of allowed software, ideally the platform should
             | be an open system instead of one with a hard whitelist.
             | That would be best for user freedom and autonomy. I'm not
             | discussing the online store side of things either, they can
             | run that as they wish, and that can be their whitelist for
             | all I care.
             | 
             | Countries have laws and ratings systems that govern
             | content. We don't need to be subject to the patronizing
             | whims of corporations to boot, creating useless, single-
             | purpose, locked-down hardware and moralizing on our behalf.
        
             | dymk wrote:
             | A hand in distributing, not making
        
         | jandrese wrote:
         | I remember having to slice open part of the catalog to get to
         | the adult section. That must have been 20 years ago now. I'm
         | actually impressed that they managed to survive the transition
         | to streaming.
        
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