[HN Gopher] A captured American spy plane that crashed during a ... ___________________________________________________________________ A captured American spy plane that crashed during a Hungarian pleasure flight Author : loriverkutya Score : 66 points Date : 2022-08-05 06:23 UTC (1 days ago) (HTM) web link (telex.hu) (TXT) w3m dump (telex.hu) | colechristensen wrote: | Sounds like a center of gravity problem. Incorrect weight | distribution in a plane can make it uncontrollable, where the cg | is in relation to the wing significantly changes the flight | characteristics. Especially if you are to, say, try to make some | impressive turns for your new lady friend in the cockpit. | chx wrote: | Tangential. | | The lead says "crashed into a high-rise building in Zuglo during | a sightseeing flight in Budapest" but as the article details | later, it didn't crash into such a building. If you know the area | this is even more confusing because there is a unusually high | sixty meter high building very close | https://i.imgur.com/3a7EiQ4.png and people vaguely know it's from | the sixties, however this rather hideous building was built in | 1965. In the 60s, the regime was mostly building mid rise | concrete buildings with very few high rises as an architectural | sign of triumph. This particular building in Zuglo was for a few | years one of the highest buildings in Budapest and certainly the | highest apartment building. Even today the highest apartment | building is only 71 meters high. | | Another very Hungarian story about high rises is the one in Pecs. | It was the highest building in the country at 82m built using | novel Yugoslavian technology 1974-1976. Due to rushing the | construction and skipping a very small amount of necessary | special material, the pretensioned cords holding the building | together rusted, the residents were evacuated in 1989 and | eventually the building got demolished in 2016. Skipping a bucket | of special "inhibitor" material -- seriously, for the entire | building that was all needed -- and a few sheets of plastic in | the mid 70s then ignoring the troubling findings of checkups in | the early 80s leading to the inevitable loss of the building is | just archetypical of socialist Hungary. | dfgdfgsffgdfg wrote: | HN readers are notoriously sensitive to clickbait titles. It is | routine for moderators to make small modifications of article | titles, a state of affairs which frankly I find mind-bogglingly | fussy and a waste of resources. But maybe the denizens of HN are | really so petulant that it's a necessity. | | In this case, though, I think we could all be saved a bit of | clickbaiting and wasted time if the words "spy plane" were | replaced by "Douglas DC-3". This is not an exotic aircraft type | such as the U-2. | haunter wrote: | Why do you have to make a throwaway account for this comment | though? | RajT88 wrote: | The petulant comment probably he was afraid of burning Karma | on, is my guess. | renewiltord wrote: | Much more informative than any other comment here, | including mine. To throwaway HN poster: thank you. | smcin wrote: | I'm not that poster but their post is valid | djmips wrote: | Spy planes don't have to be exotic. | indigodaddy wrote: | Wow if that is a news site, its design and UX is a breath of | fresh air! No ads/clean, scroll to the bottom and the bottom of | the site is clear with a nice little index and only a few little | internal only article links. | | I cannot wait for a world where all the traditional online news | sites are back to an inoffensive and untiring design like this, | instead of the shameful spam links everywhere and especially at | the never ending scroll/bottom of the sites. That is the worst | experience ever, and compared with a lovely site like telex.hu, | the difference is profoundly stark. | YetAnotherNick wrote: | Not sure if we are looking at the same thing. But for me, this | this is not lightweight by any standard. It is using 26 MB | resources(in which images are just a small part), has a dark | pattern in cookie reject, also not sure what it is doing to | scrolling but it is very janky if I scroll fast. | | Edit: Also time to interactive is 5s which is poor by any | standard: | https://pagespeed.web.dev/report?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftelex.hu%... | codazoda wrote: | What a difference. I left when the entire content was covered | by a pop up modal, probably a cookie confirmation, but in a | language I couldn't read. | indigodaddy wrote: | I was on Chrome iOS. Wonder if their mobile site has fewer | ads. | DrJokepu wrote: | Telex.hu is a news site. It is one of the vestigial remains of | the free press in Hungary. | playingalong wrote: | I do see ads. | indigodaddy wrote: | You're right I missed one. I guess it was fairly unobstrusive | to me.. main thing I noticed though was the lack of the | endless scroll with the spam ads. If every site could get rid | of that, I'd be very pleased. | adventured wrote: | The UX gets a big fat negative point for hijacking the | scrollbar in a negative way; they make it very skinny, on | Firefox it's particularly obnoxious. | AkshatJ27 wrote: | One of the few sites where i wouldnt mind temporarily disabling | my adblocker | zokier wrote: | > However, its fifth trip was irregular from the moment it took | off because, although the plane weighed 145 kilograms below the | maximum load limit, as we have mentioned before, it was carrying | too many passengers: Although only ten tickets had been sold, 17 | adults and six children were on board | | 145 kg below maximum seems very low for the number of passengers | on-board? Especially for a short pleasure flight where you | wouldn't have much luggage/cargo nor I'd expect the plane to be | carrying full tanks of fuel either. According to Wikipedia DC-3 | carries 21-32 passengers (depending on configuration). | kurupt213 wrote: | my money is on funny business with the ladies in the cockpit. | once the pilots fell out of their seat it was over | krisoft wrote: | With today's sensibilities the idea that you would fly civilian | passengers regularly on a captured airplane sounds crazy. | | An airplane like that is basically unsupported. You have no idea | if your maintenance is adequate or if they have discovered any | flight safety issues with the type. How would you know the | provenance of your spare parts? Are they the right stuff or the | rejects from some scrapyard? What if you discover a minor issue | who do you contact to check if any corrective action is needed? | "So about your airplane we confiscated a few years ago: the fifth | spar has a longitudinal crack. Bela recons he can drill it to | stop it from further propagating. Can we still fly it?" Would be | a funny conversation. | somat wrote: | Eh, it's was a dc-3, not only a very well known aircraft, the | soviet union actually manufactured them under license as the | li-2. So a well understood airframe. | | The aircraft in question was rewinged at one point, and the | engines replaced with the the soviet engines used on the li-2, | I would guess they understood the airplane well enough. | | Reading a couple of articles it sounds more like they were | having too much fun on their excursion flight. | trentnix wrote: | "Pleasure flight" sounds a whole lot more scandalous than a | sightseeing trip. | mwint wrote: | I just ELFOGADOM'd something. I have no idea what that means but | it made the dialog go away, so I'm happy. | | Is this what GDPR working was supposed to look like? | rob74 wrote: | It means "I accept", but I guess you already figured that | out... | somat wrote: | Probably just your normal case of overzealous newspaper headline. | | However the plane in question was a dc-3(the military variant | c-47). So not a "Spy" plane. Also it had 4 people on board. This, | as far as I can tell, was the normal military flight crew (pilot, | co-pilot, navigator, and radio operator), that is, no additional | crew to operate any sort of spying apparatus. | | I guess if I am feeling conspiratorial, the orders "Go fly over | Hungary, noting radio frequencies and air space intrusion | responses" could have been given, but I am inclined to believe | the wikipedia page which states they got lost on the way to | belgrade. However I am sure the hungarian government claimed they | were spying. So I will forgive the headline. | | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1961_Mal%C3%A9v_Hungarian_Airl... | | I think the interesting thing I learned was that the soviet union | manufactured the dc-3, and that this predated the war, the soviet | union bought a design license from Douglas in 1936 and Lisunov | spent two years in the us learning how to build them. | | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisunov_Li-2 ___________________________________________________________________ (page generated 2022-08-06 23:00 UTC)