[HN Gopher] Making Quieter Technology
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       Making Quieter Technology
        
       Author : nicbou
       Score  : 41 points
       Date   : 2022-08-07 19:34 UTC (3 hours ago)
        
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       | sumul wrote:
       | I endorse getting away from as much news as possible. I made that
       | choice after the 2016 US elections, and it has been a big,
       | sustained improvement in my quality of life. I've found that if
       | something is important, I'll hear about it from friends, family,
       | or co-workers. Hearing about important things from people I trust
       | is way better than hearing about them from news outlets trying
       | their hardest to keep me hooked. Sometimes I get the bewildered,
       | mouth-agape reaction of "you haven't heard of this???" but it
       | took a surprisingly short amount of time to feel no embarrassment
       | about being out of the loop and simply responding with, "nope!
       | please tell me all about it."
        
       | sneak wrote:
       | > _I can 't delete social media because my job depends on it._
       | 
       | Unless you are Mark Zuckerberg or employed by Facebook or Reddit,
       | I question the veracity of this statement.
       | 
       | Your world will not end if you delete your social media accounts.
       | You probably won't even reduce your income.
       | 
       | Social media is invested in you believing that you simply _must_
       | be on it for your business to survive. This is a lie.
        
         | nicbou wrote:
         | I use it to follow people's recent experience with various
         | bureaucratic processes. These discussions happen on social
         | media, so it's where I look for them.
        
       | dan-robertson wrote:
       | There are two totally different kinds of technology noise I
       | dislike:
       | 
       | 1. Why do so many gadgets have to beep? Microwaves, washing
       | machines, ...
       | 
       | 2. Engine noise. Some cars/motorbikes are specifically
       | designed/modified to be loud because that's what the customer
       | wants. Some small/uninsulated engines (eg in a cheaper
       | motorbike/scooter) are also loud.
        
         | thfuran wrote:
         | Engine noise inside the vehicle is horrible and I don't know
         | why anyone would want it. Engine noise outside the vehicle
         | probably reduces the rates at which collisions occur.
        
         | thaumasiotes wrote:
         | > Engine noise. Some cars/motorbikes are specifically
         | designed/modified to be loud because that's what the customer
         | wants.
         | 
         | Then there are the cars that aren't loud, so they play
         | recordings of engine noise over the audio system.
         | 
         | BMW has apparently gone as far as making the fake engine noise
         | user-configurable, except that _you can 't turn it off_.
         | Because if you don't want to be forced to listen to fake engine
         | noise, you're not the type of customer BMW wants, I guess. You
         | probably shouldn't be allowed to vote or own property either.
        
           | spoonjim wrote:
           | Oof. Now is probably your last chance to get a decent
           | naturally asprirated I6 BMW without all that nonsense.
        
           | julik wrote:
           | I think this is a case of some misguided product managers
           | (and since German car companies are known to be huge
           | bureacracies - no wonder). It seems like there is a great
           | important safety aspect to it - that first you can hear that
           | the vehicle is moving (there is an audio cue), and second is
           | the affordance that you pressing on the accelerator has an
           | effect (that the accelerator/electronics is not broken) -
           | idem for braking.
           | 
           | Interestingly enough, railway engines had this problem solved
           | a number of decades ago when they started using mechanical
           | speedometers based on a clock. When the vehicle would start
           | moving, the speedometer would start ticking. The faster you
           | go the faster the ticking. Seems like electric cars need
           | something similar (it does seem like a very useful safety
           | feature to be honest).
        
             | thaumasiotes wrote:
             | > When the vehicle would start moving, the speedometer
             | would start ticking. The faster you go the faster the
             | ticking. Seems like electric cars need something similar
             | 
             | This would effectively prevent many people from listening
             | to music in the car. It would not be tolerated.
             | 
             | Which brings up the point that people very frequently
             | choose to drown out the engine noise. That obviously limits
             | how useful the engine noise can be, though of course it
             | isn't very useful anyway. You cannot fail to sense that the
             | car is moving if your eyes are open. You cannot fail to
             | sense whether the brakes are working even if your eyes are
             | closed.
        
           | vbezhenar wrote:
           | Playing engine noise is one of the most ridiculous thing I've
           | ever known. I love BMW noise. I owned old BMW and I loved its
           | sound. But I loved it because it was produced by engine that
           | I loved, not because it was produced by some stupid
           | subwoofer. I have no idea how would anyone buy that tech and
           | I lost my faith in humanity that BMW did not go bankrupt with
           | this move. I know that the only BMW car I would ever buy is
           | E34, it was last BMW worth those letters.
        
       | thefz wrote:
       | > A good operating system: Mac OS. Windows has become so user-
       | hostile that I refuse to get near it. Linux breaks the rule
       | above: a person's primary task should not be computing, but being
       | human.
       | 
       | This is where I closed the window
        
         | JadeNB wrote:
         | > This is where I closed the window
         | 
         | Just telling us that you simply didn't read the article is
         | probably a significantly less valuable contribution to HN than
         | offering your own (presumably contradictory) experience,
         | expertise, or opinion.
        
       | egypturnash wrote:
       | I've been taking a similar route for the past decade or so. It's
       | pretty nice. I still fall into the internet hole when I'm
       | slouched on the couch with the tablet, I need to ponder some ways
       | to fix that.
       | 
       | ...ooh, Apple's "Screen Time" controls on the iPad will let me
       | limit my time on a website, and supposedly sync to my Mac, too.
       | Sharply limiting Twitter should break the habit of getting lost
       | in replies and scrolling when someone links to a good tweet.
       | Nice. Thanks for giving me a reason to examine my own habits
       | around the Internet, Mr. Bouliane!
        
       | blondin wrote:
       | i have made peace with the fact that technology will evolve in
       | the direction the masses want it. not the way i want it. i want a
       | quiet lifestyle like author, but maybe the majority does not.
       | 
       | tiktok is proof that quiet is not what people want right now.
        
         | nicbou wrote:
         | Technology has become a sort of paperclip optimizer for
         | engagement. What we want only matters so long as we engage.
         | 
         | People probably don't want to get into internet fights, but
         | it's how we're wired. The machine - its workers, managers,
         | C-levels and algorithms - found that strip mining our attention
         | and fuelling outrage somehow boosts its metrics. So it does
         | that.
        
       | verdverm wrote:
       | One thing that has been frustrating me is how many lights, and
       | bright ones, are on everything I buy these days. A single tiny
       | LED is lighting up entire rooms enough to navigate without
       | tripping on anything in the dark.
        
         | JadeNB wrote:
         | > One thing that has been frustrating me is how many lights,
         | and bright ones, are on everything I buy these days.
         | 
         | While I am sympathetic to this, I'm lucky enough that it
         | doesn't much bother me and so I hadn't even noticed it; but I
         | _really_ miss the old Powerbook G4 heartbeat.
        
         | corytheboyd wrote:
         | I cannot sleep with gadget lights on, and LEDs are the absolute
         | worst. They're usually easy enough to block out as other
         | commenters have said, but it's so annoying to get into bed,
         | finally comfortable, and then BAM fucking LED that I have to
         | now get up and deal with.
        
         | nicbou wrote:
         | Black electrical tape to the rescue
        
           | xmddmx wrote:
           | Sometimes I still want to see the LED. In this situation, I
           | use blue painters tape, and keep adding layers until the LED
           | is at a reasonable level. You really need to check this in a
           | completely dark room to get it right.
        
           | verdverm wrote:
           | lol, I've done this a bit, but it makes everything look
           | broken
        
             | throwaheyy wrote:
             | A dot of black permanent marker seems to work well. Blocks
             | out enough light to remove the distraction, while still
             | allowing enough to indicate something working.
        
             | JaimeThompson wrote:
             | These, sometimes, look a little better than electrical
             | tape. I haven't used this brand, it was just the first one
             | I found. [1]
             | 
             | [1] https://www.amazon.com/FLANCCI-Blocking-Stickers-
             | Dimming-Bla...
        
               | wvenable wrote:
               | I never thought to look for that before! Amazing. I
               | currently have a lot of black electrical tape over
               | everything.
        
               | crooked-v wrote:
               | That only helps when the device doesn't have an LED
               | that's inside an open casing and so ends up visibly
               | shining from every hole in the device and/or through the
               | thin plastic itself.
        
               | verdverm wrote:
               | these are the worst, or when they are on a button like my
               | monitor
        
               | cassianoleal wrote:
               | I've been sticking these things on everything. Not this
               | particular brand either, but I doubt there's much
               | difference between brands.
               | 
               | It allows enoughlight through so you can see what's going
               | on but not enough that will illuminate the room or
               | distract you just by being there.
        
             | egypturnash wrote:
             | Black masking tape. It's not opaque enough to block the
             | light entirely; this means you can do a few layers to dim
             | it to taste. Once that's sorted, a quick trim with an
             | x-acto blade will tidy up the edges and make it all look
             | intentional from a distance.
        
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       | jibbers wrote:
       | I was able to read about half the article before a black box
       | appeared with text saying I was an "engaged reader." After
       | clicking on the question mark icon in the black box I was taken
       | to a page where it was explained how the author has hidden
       | "achievements" throughout their site and asks if I, the reader,
       | can find them all.
       | 
       | This feels like the exact thing the author is rallying about in
       | this post -- technology designed to keep us in front of our
       | screens.
        
         | nicbou wrote:
         | Haha I forgot about those entirely! It was a fun time killer
         | from a few years ago, not a way to keep you hooked. I don't
         | have any tracking whatsoever on this website, so I wouldn't
         | notice if you engaged more.
        
         | iasay wrote:
         | That is some irony there.
         | 
         | If you want people to be engaged, delivering content that
         | respects them is the only step. Engagement measurement and
         | mechanics that interfere with that only serve to reduce that
         | respect.
        
       | rahen wrote:
       | > I should be the user, it should be the tool, not the other way
       | around.
       | 
       | > A good operating system: Mac OS. Windows has become so user-
       | hostile that I refuse to get near it. Linux breaks the rule
       | above: a person's primary task should not be computing, but being
       | human.
       | 
       | That's certainly understandable, although it can also be
       | contradictory with your goal of having quiet technology that
       | leaves the user alone.
       | 
       | MacOS can be opaque and annoying at times, especially when there
       | are no settings for something you want or need, but piles of
       | "social" settings junk you don't need. Recently macOS wasted my
       | time to find a way to map the begin and end keys of my K380
       | keyboard, which wasn't even an issue with Linux. No settings for
       | that, it's still getting in my way.
       | 
       | It also takes some effort to silence it; I routinely get popups
       | about my screen time, suggestions and whatsnot. All those are
       | distractions and wastes of time I don't have with Linux.
       | 
       | Otherwise I use a slim stable distribution (Debian stable) with a
       | tiling WM and mate-settings-daemon: few processes running, few
       | updates, and I feel in actual control of the machine. It's really
       | leaving me alone, wastes little of my time and feels quieter to
       | me than macOS.
       | 
       | Anyway, you're posting this on HN so I guess you assumed that
       | kind of answer.
        
         | nicbou wrote:
         | Yes, I expected it. It was offensive enough for someone else to
         | quit reading. I found my OS of choice. To each their own.
        
       | _gabe_ wrote:
       | > A good operating system: Mac OS. Windows has become so user-
       | hostile that I refuse to get near it.
       | 
       | Like...? Windows annoys me at times too, but the most annoying
       | thing to me is the forced updates. Other than that, I can't
       | recall any time in recent memory that the OS has gotten in my way
       | of doing something. I'm genuinely curious which specific pain
       | points cause you to refuse to get near it.
        
         | jbay808 wrote:
         | I recently set up Windows on a bunch of new computers, and was
         | reminded of how atrocious the process is. All sorts of widgets,
         | telemetry, and bloatware coming along for the ride. There's a
         | laundry list of config changes and uninstalls necessary before
         | it quiets down and gets out of the way. Once you have it set up
         | the way you like it, it's easy to forget all that.
         | 
         | If you go through that ritual a lot, or never do the deep
         | clean, or only use Windows occasionally and only see the
         | default setting, it's a perfectly understandable impression.
        
         | [deleted]
        
         | danuker wrote:
         | Windows defends me against the threat of privacy.
         | 
         | Quite literally, a certain GPG binary triggers Microsoft
         | Defender.
         | 
         | https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/wdsi/threats/malware-encyclo...
        
       | xmddmx wrote:
       | "I made my calendar louder to check my phone less. It vibrates
       | like an alarm until I get to it. "
       | 
       | macOS and iOS user here - how do you configure that?
       | 
       | I find that Calendar reminders are not loud enough (they give a
       | single notification which is easy for me to dismiss by accident).
       | When I need to really be reminded, I set an Alarm "Hey siri, set
       | an alarm for 4pm titled 'check your calendar'"
       | 
       | What's your secret?
        
       | SV_BubbleTime wrote:
       | Well written. I wonder if I would have enjoyed the previous
       | version he mentions? Good writing comes from rewriting.
       | 
       | I already do a few of these things and it's made a big
       | difference. I should try and expand with PiHole and/or
       | uBlacklist.
       | 
       | Something I've really loved is running NoScript! in Firefox...
       | but I won't pretend at all it is even remotely appropriate for
       | non-programmers. You really need to understand JS and web design
       | to still have functioning websites.
       | 
       | It would be nice to get a maintained list of "you actually need
       | this" scripts for websites and auto block the known bullshit.
        
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