[HN Gopher] The Dymaxion car: Buckminster Fuller's failed automo...
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       The Dymaxion car: Buckminster Fuller's failed automobile
        
       Author : conanxin
       Score  : 56 points
       Date   : 2022-08-10 11:49 UTC (4 days ago)
        
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       | Animats wrote:
       | Car Talk drove a replica.[1] "You've pushed shopping carts with
       | broken casters that handle better. ... No one in his or her right
       | mind would ever venture above 45 miles per hour because of the
       | lousy handling."
       | 
       | [1] https://www.cartalk.com/blogs/jamie-lincoln-kitman/test-
       | driv...
        
         | pcrh wrote:
         | >Don't drive like my brother!
        
         | westurner wrote:
         | Good old Car Talk.
         | 
         | What about with biopolymer superstructure at least, batteries
         | in the surfboard floor, an elegant teardrop airfoil,
         | regenerative braking with natural branching carbon anodes, and
         | an awning?
        
           | sbierwagen wrote:
           | Those are all solutions to problems the Dymaxion car didn't
           | have?
           | 
           | The main complaints of the Car Talk article are the awful
           | handling resulting from rear wheel steering (giving a bad
           | caster angle resulting in no self-centering-- all modern
           | tricycle motor vehicles put the steer tires at the _front,_
           | even if it complicates the linkages) and the aerodynamic
           | shape that resulted in a large car with surprisingly little
           | usable interior room. (a classic Buckminster problem, as this
           | is still the big downside of geodesic domes)
           | 
           | All the big compromises of the Dymaxion car came from the
           | shape, which let it hit a drag coefficient of 0.25. But
           | modern car engineering has simply passed it by: a Prius is
           | 0.24 and a Model S is 0.208. There's no reason to accept the
           | downsides of a Dymaxion car today, which is why nobody ever
           | copied the design.
        
             | westurner wrote:
             | Where was the center of gravity - the mass centroid - in
             | terms of handling?
        
       | coderintherye wrote:
       | "In fact, the project had been undermined by interpersonal
       | conflicts, funding shortfalls, and persistent design issues that
       | he was unwilling to acknowledge."
       | 
       | That's the real true story of most failed startups.
        
       | balentio wrote:
       | I somewhat suspect that most of what is a "failure", to the
       | extent it enters the collective conscious, especially in fields
       | like engineering, is a later triumph.
        
         | jahewson wrote:
         | I have a sneaking suspicion that you didn't read the article :)
        
       | jackmott42 wrote:
       | Aptera is a modern attempt at a similar approach. It makes me a
       | little sad because the Aptera really makes so much sense but I
       | think it will not make inroads in the market, just because it is
       | weird.
        
         | jsight wrote:
         | TBH, I'm less worried about demand than about supply. It will
         | be very difficult to build that machine profitably.
        
         | robga wrote:
         | In modern times, the Volkswagen XL1 approached the aesthetic.
         | It had an equally low coefficient of drag as the aptera. Not
         | many sold - but it was a production car.
         | 
         | https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/volkswagen/xl1/first-dr...
        
       | PopAlongKid wrote:
       | I recall reading somewhere that the 3-wheel design meant that the
       | vehicle was inherently hard to steer due to typical roadway
       | camber (the crown of the road, which means the slope designed to
       | route water from the center of the road to the edges). Makes
       | sense to me; if the rear wheel is constantly being pulled to the
       | edge of the road because that is down hill from the middle of the
       | lane.
       | 
       | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camber_angle#Road_camber
        
       | asoneth wrote:
       | I was most surprised the degree to which Buckminster Fuller lied
       | throughout the development of the car and afterwards.
       | 
       | Of course it's heartbreaking that bad engineering killed two
       | people, but that is not unheard of in automobile design. An
       | honest and forthright engineering team can learn from failures.
       | 
       | According to this article Fuller publicly lied about the testing,
       | safety, maximum speed, stability, production capacity, funding
       | sources, crash details, and more. I recall that he also implied
       | that he was the original inventor of the geodesic dome. These
       | kinds of things put his credibility on other claims into question
       | as well.
        
         | gambiting wrote:
         | Sounds like Elizabeth Holmes of his time. Lies everywhere from
         | top to bottom just to get his company off the ground.
        
           | srgpqt wrote:
           | So just like every other successful entrepreneur!
        
       | thebigspacefuck wrote:
       | A periscope? Now that's an interesting idea
        
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