[HN Gopher] What to know to begin fixing amplifiers [video]
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       What to know to begin fixing amplifiers [video]
        
       Author : brudgers
       Score  : 42 points
       Date   : 2022-08-14 16:34 UTC (6 hours ago)
        
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       | carlivar wrote:
       | If you have a Marantz receiver/amplifier, this is also a good
       | place to start:
       | 
       | https://irebuildmarantz.com/classic/html/restoration.html
        
       | latchkey wrote:
       | One time I had an amplifier fail. I took it to a local repair
       | shop that I found that had good reviews who charged me $150 to
       | "look" at it. A month later, I called them to ask what the status
       | was (because I hadn't heard anything from them) and they told me
       | it couldn't be repaired. No other answer than that.
       | 
       | That was a great $150 lesson...
        
         | CSSer wrote:
         | I had a similar experience once with a quadraphonic receiver
         | from the 70s. When I went to pick it up the shop owner gave me
         | the schematics and said he'd never seen anything that complex
         | before. It was probably a dozen or more pages long. Even the
         | AM/FM receiver dial pulley diagram was complex. I wanted to use
         | it as a pet project but ultimately gave it away due to other
         | priorities and lack of space.
         | 
         | It wasn't completely broken though! Various features just
         | didn't work. The whole system was insane. Each speaker cabinet
         | had (iirc) 15" subs in it. Nowadays we have Atmos height
         | speakers that are marketed as something completely new but
         | these speakers had vertically oriented treble horns even back
         | then. Modern speakers certainly have frequency response,
         | efficiency, and compactness going for them, but to this day
         | I've never heard any consumer system (I used to sell them in
         | college) that loud. I rarely turned the volume past three (out
         | of ten). I was only brave enough to briefly turn it up to seven
         | once. When I did lights I'd never seen work illuminated. I felt
         | Led Zeppelin in my chest.
        
         | Gordonjcp wrote:
         | I charge 300 quid to even look at a piece of equipment that's
         | been "re-capped". Some people pay that, presumably because they
         | realise that's the price of having the damage inflicted by the
         | poke-and-hope brigade repaired.
        
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         | analog31 wrote:
         | When I was doing repair, the shops referred to the charge for
         | lifting your set onto their workbench as the "bench press." It
         | was usually given as a minimum labor time charge, such as 1
         | hour. You were doing well if you could get most repairs done in
         | less than an hour. This depended on having both excellent
         | diagnostic skill, and the experience to know what component was
         | most likely to fail.
         | 
         | I ended up in an Apple repair shop within a government agency
         | that served school districts. Since we didn't need to make a
         | profit, we skipped the bench press, and if your Apple needed 15
         | minutes of work (typical), we charged for 15 minutes, while
         | also letting you watch.
         | 
         | The pinnacle was TV repair because TVs were expensive but
         | cheaply made and relatively simplistic. There were not many
         | different ways that they worked due to the evolution of cost
         | cutting measures. There were also good published repair guides
         | -- the Howard Sams "photofact" series.
         | 
         | Stereos were not all that much more complicated, but a
         | contemporary repair shop would suffer from lack of sufficient
         | business to sustain a working knowledge of failures and
         | repairs, and often obsolete or irreplaceable components such as
         | output transistors. Paying $150 to sustain the shop, and learn
         | that your set is unrepairable, are not far-fetched outcomes.
         | 
         | Also (in the amplified musical instrument world that I now
         | inhabit), there's a declining number of good techs. For one
         | thing, those guys can make a lot more money servicing million
         | dollar industrial or medical equipment.
        
           | latchkey wrote:
           | I was more than fine with the $150... which is why I paid it.
           | I've had motorcycle shops do similar things and that's fine
           | too.
           | 
           | I think I was too subtle in my response though. The fact that
           | they didn't call me after a month to tell me that it was
           | broken beyond repair, feels kind of like they were never
           | going to fix it.
        
       | lttlrck wrote:
       | The volume pot went in my 1992 Kenwood amp (18th birthday
       | present). It crackled quite horrendously as they tend to do as
       | they age.
       | 
       | I took that amp back and forth to uni each semester carefully
       | boxing it up each time, took it to Germany, back to the UK, and
       | it's still with me in the US, albeit currently in its box.
       | 
       | Huge sentimental value.
       | 
       | A couple of years ago I found the (impressive) service manual for
       | it that had the part number for the potentiometer. Unfortunately
       | the part is no longer available, it has a special loudness tap on
       | it. I replaced it with a pot without the tap, I never used
       | loudness anyway. Works great. It's a brilliant amplifier.
       | 
       | The service manual explains how to re-calibrate the amplifier
       | current biases. So I checked it and it was still in spec.
       | 
       | https://www.audioservicemanuals.com/k/kenwood/kenwood-ka/161...
       | 
       | I also have a same era CD player that still works, I replaced
       | it's laser maybe 10 years ago. Both purchased from Sevenoaks Hifi
       | in Kent, by sending off a check in the mail.
        
         | wszfahwbwbaha wrote:
         | you have sentimental attachment to a...uh...amplifier?
        
           | smackeyacky wrote:
           | I can see this happening. My lounge doesn't look the same
           | since my favourite (big) speakers got evicted in favour of a
           | minimalist / soundbar thing that I hate.
           | 
           | I just got very used to seeing (and hearing) those big black
           | boxes and they have been in every house we lived in for over
           | 30 years.
           | 
           | If you're used to seeing (and hearing) something then having
           | affection for those objects is quite common I would have
           | thought.
        
       | dmfdmf wrote:
       | I haven't fixed an amp (yet) but I have been able to fix a few
       | electronic doodads and boards using EEVBlog.com forums. Great
       | resource if you are into electronic repair or troubleshooting.
        
       | cannam wrote:
       | As an ignorant person who occasionally repairs things, something
       | I have often wanted is a handwavy guide to failure modes of
       | components expressed in terms of their audible effect.
       | 
       | What I mean is something that would help me to take a problem
       | like "the bass keeps popping out and back in again in the left
       | channel" and make a logical decision about whether to look first
       | at the output transistors, amplifier bias current, some
       | capacitors somewhere, the volume pot, quality of contacts for the
       | input or output connection, or something else entirely.
       | 
       | I'm not able to watch a video right now - does the "What Goes
       | Wrong?" part of this go there? Is there a transcript or a source
       | article?
        
         | analog31 wrote:
         | I've done a lot of repair in my day. I don't have what you
         | need, but at the same time, my experience has taught me that
         | 90% of "electronic" problems are mechanical in nature, such as
         | switches, connectors, potentiometers, and so forth. Once you
         | get into the guts of the amplifier circuit, it gets hard
         | because that circuit is a feedback loop, so the signal can't be
         | easily traced from one end to the other.
         | 
         | In the evolution of my home audio equipment, the amplifiers are
         | all Class-D IC's that are easier to replace at a board level.
         | 
         | Prophylactically replacing things that might be broken can lead
         | to worse problems, especially since a lot of older consumer
         | electronics had relatively delicate single sided circuit boards
         | that were easily damaged by desoldering.
        
           | sitzkrieg wrote:
           | came to post this, been my experience to a t. always start in
           | places where things move, get plugged in, switches, look for
           | exposed/funky looking traces/boards/connections. almost
           | always an easy win once you crack the thing out (which can be
           | a struggle)
           | 
           | sometimes watching youtubers like bigclivedotcom cover
           | failures of cheap electronics can show spectacular exceptions
           | though. for some more realistic failures of common consumer
           | hardware like laptops and cellphones (and general rework
           | wizardry) Electronicsrepairschool is pretty hard to beat
           | 
           | https://www.youtube.com/c/Bigclive
           | 
           | https://www.youtube.com/c/Electronicsrepairschool
        
         | dsr_ wrote:
         | Well, if it's the bass alone and in the left channel, that
         | strongly suggests a problem in the wiring of the left speaker.
         | A continuity tester is your friend.
         | 
         | If you get a crackling noise that changes when you change the
         | volume, the volume potentiometer either needs to be cleaned or
         | replaced. Similarly if the volume knob has ranges where the
         | sound drops out entirely.
         | 
         | If one channel doesn't work at all, you trace the signal path
         | starting at the source.
         | 
         | If nothing works, look for a fuse (and look for something that
         | might have caused a short).
        
           | tuatoru wrote:
           | > A continuity test is your friend.
           | 
           | Also a spray can of freeze (e.g. CRC Freeze Spray) is useful,
           | and a jeweller's loupe (x20 magnification or so). If your
           | phone takes good macro video, that can be really useful to
           | look at several times (in the absence of a stereoscopic
           | microscope).
           | 
           | Contacts are the first thing to suspect with any fault. Check
           | inside the plugs on the cables.
           | 
           | For intermitttently disappearing and reappearing bass,
           | though: probably the contacts are OK. Inspect (and if
           | possible, re-make) solder joints in this part of the circuit
           | - you may have a hidden dry joint somewhere. Then old
           | electrolytic capacitors, especially tantalum ones, are
           | sources of trouble.
           | 
           | Of course if the amp has been in a house that's been hit by
           | lightning, or where an arc welder has been used regularly,
           | then the possibilities widen.
        
       | qbasic_forever wrote:
       | There's some great 90's and early 2000's era stereo gear that's
       | basically free or very cheap at goodwill and thrift stores these
       | days. I feel like right now is the time to snag good CD playback
       | gear before it goes into the upswing in price as collectors
       | items. No one is going to be building or selling 200 disc
       | changers or high quality portable CD players any time soon for
       | example, but CD collectors will love to have those things in
       | decades to come. CDs in general I think are prime for a comeback
       | like vinyl and tape have seen. Right now you can find them and
       | the gear to play them for dirt cheap--it won't stay that way
       | forever.
        
       | a2tech wrote:
       | I thought for sure it was going to be a link to Mr Carlsons lab:
       | https://www.youtube.com/c/MrCarlsonsLab
        
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