[HN Gopher] How to design a referral program
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       How to design a referral program
        
       Author : gmays
       Score  : 63 points
       Date   : 2022-08-15 16:18 UTC (6 hours ago)
        
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       | fegu wrote:
       | Has anyone designed referral programs for online B2B products?
       | What payback works, and is legal?
        
       | badtension wrote:
       | What are some drawbacks of giving subscription product discounts
       | for each confirmed (paid) referral, that accumulate up to 100%?
       | Assuming margins that make sense in case everyone other than the
       | leafs have 100% discount.
        
       | franze wrote:
       | Due to organisational restrictions (aka a dysfunction product
       | team) I "invented" the double "sweapsteak" referral giveaway.
       | Which worked mostly outside of the product (we just needed a "who
       | referred this user"-flag), mostly just newsletters.
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       | Basically you could win 2 IphoneX. One for you and one for the
       | person you referred. If you referred one person, this person was
       | a ticket for you.
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       | If this ticket/person won. The referrer and the referred/ticket
       | won an Iphone each.
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       | The more persons you referred the more "tickets" you had.
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       | If the referred person referred new people, then they gained more
       | tickets (additional to the ticket they were themselves.)
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       | worked massively. 2 IphoneX after all. And a benefit for the
       | person you referred and yourself.
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       | And an incentive for the referred person to refer more.
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       | repeated runs were shot down by the legal department (Fintechs
       | which want to become a bank care about law a lot) due to gambling
       | laws of the EU.
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       | CPAU (cost per active user) was way better than the later
       | implemented real referral program which worked with moneytary
       | incentives.
        
         | gruez wrote:
         | >repeated runs were shot down by the legal department (Fintechs
         | which want to become a bank care about law a lot) due to
         | gambling laws of the EU.
         | 
         | >CPAU (cost per active user) was way better than the later
         | implemented real referral program which worked with moneytary
         | incentives.
         | 
         | the secret ingredient was crime
        
       | logifail wrote:
       | Not wishing to rain on anyone's parade, but there is no mention
       | of broken incentives here. Tip for the marketeers, think about
       | the users who will _ab_ use your referral program.
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       | * I've signed up for Amazon's free one-month Prime trial at least
       | 20(!) times.
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       | * I've referred myself for many different kinds of products over
       | the years.
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       | * My friends and I have referred each other for all kinds of
       | things too. Sometimes with offline compensation, sometimes using
       | the honour system for a future payback.
       | 
       | "Just sayin'..."
        
         | bombcar wrote:
         | The reason this isn't mentioned is that often referral programs
         | are _designed_ to be abused, so that metrics can be gamed just
         | before an important funding round, a IPO, etc.
         | 
         | Seen it happen many times.
        
           | logifail wrote:
           | > often [referral] programs are designed to be abused
           | 
           | Heh.
           | 
           | As it happens my OH and I were sitting at the local
           | playground this afternoon chewing the workplace cud - while
           | vaguely watching our daughter play - and were discussing how
           | often higher management types _actually_ know what 's going
           | on at the coal face.
           | 
           | "Not often enough" was our unanimous conclusion.
        
         | scottydelta wrote:
         | For companies like Uber and Doordash and other such companies,
         | the system is intentionally designed to be abused.
         | 
         | They can use these abuse signups to show growth to the
         | investors and rake in more money.
         | 
         | It's not a bug but feature.
        
         | kevmo314 wrote:
         | I ran an abusable referral program once. Those who abused the
         | referral program were the best because they kept sharing our
         | product onto new forums telling others about how easy it is to
         | abuse. Many of those new customers we would never have reached
         | and most second-degree referrals didn't abuse the system, all
         | we had to do was make that first customer feel superior to us.
         | So it was well worth it :)
        
       | arthurofbabylon wrote:
       | Having designed and implemented referral programs myself, I find
       | that this essay misses the mark.
       | 
       | The single-most important quality of a referral program - by far
       | - is aligning with novelty and the social currency implicit in an
       | invitation.
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       | Almost nothing else matters.
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       | Without the referrer feeling "in-the-know" and valued by the
       | referred, without the product warranting being talked about,
       | referrals will not be a growth engine.
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       | As such, iterations upon a referral mechanism should first take
       | place at the level of language and context. Dollar amount, offer,
       | terms, etc are not the most effective levers.
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       | I advise neglecting referral programs until a product has natural
       | "word-of-mouth" growth, then consider a referral program as
       | lubricant upon that existing growth.
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       | Prior to good growth, one might try a light/crude alternative
       | sans transactional incentive -> gift 1-month free, give coupons,
       | require invite-only access. While it lacks the reward-loop, this
       | approach offers the same trigger as a referral program without
       | the heavy backing logic, saving 95% setup costs. The trigger is
       | the first part of a referral program to get right anyways, and
       | the rest of the referral mechanisms can be built on top of what
       | is working within this lightweight system.
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       | Once successful, note that referral systems follow the Pareto
       | principle (10% of referrers accounting for 90% of referrals), and
       | the designer might accordingly shift their attention to
       | encouraging serial referrers.
        
         | hot_gril wrote:
         | Yeah, the most successful (and annoying) referral program I can
         | think of is the One Plus phones, and it hit the marks you're
         | describing. Maybe the 2022 version is retailing something below
         | market value, creating artificial scarcity, and prioritizing
         | orders to referred people.
        
         | atwood22 wrote:
         | I've seen people bend over backwards and jump through flaming
         | hoops to score Uber Eats credits via referrals. There are
         | definitely people out there who value a monetary reward.
        
         | pedalpete wrote:
         | I agree with this, but I think the feeling of "in-the-know"
         | though valuable, only applies to certain products. I've been
         | thinking about our referral program, and am looking at it from
         | the perspective of "what is it in the referrer's nature that
         | will make them want to refer".
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         | "In-the-know" is definitely valuable here, as well as a way of
         | showing off their knowledge.
         | 
         | However, if you think about a referral campaign for a charity,
         | it isn't about being "in-the-know", you'd want to tap into
         | people's level of caring, or measure of impact.
        
       | berkeleyjunk wrote:
       | Surprised that this post does not talk about one of the most
       | successful referral programs I have seen (way before Dropbox):
       | Paypal. I certainly made a bunch of money and got a few friends
       | signed up back in the day.
        
         | TomGullen wrote:
         | I think Chrome when it first came out was giving $5 per install
         | as well.
         | 
         | You see similar rewards here in UK for referring people to new
         | bank accounts, Chase made a big move over here and was giving
         | PS20 to the referrer, and PS20 to the referred for minimum
         | commitment. If you got the money it's a fast way to gobble up
         | market share.
        
           | robk wrote:
           | Yep I ran the early Google referral programs where we paid a
           | bounty to adsense pubs that originally were referring Firefox
           | installs!
        
             | mandeepj wrote:
             | Does it necessarily have to be money? I know everybody
             | likes cash. Dropbox ran a very successful referral program
             | where they give double (I guess) the storage to both
             | parties.
        
               | TomGullen wrote:
               | Doesn't have to be cash, but I think it's important to
               | remember when Dropbox was doing it disc space was a lot
               | more valuable - I don't think it would work as well
               | nowadays.
        
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