[HN Gopher] Google IoT Core will be discontinued on Aug. 16, 2023
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Google IoT Core will be discontinued on Aug. 16, 2023
Your current IoT Core Services will remain available through August
15, 2023. Start your migration to alternative solutions. Hello
[NAME], We're writing to let you know that Google Cloud's IoT Core
Service will be discontinued on August 16, 2023 at which point your
access to the IoT Core Device Manager APIs will no longer be
available. As of that date, devices will be unable to connect to
the Google Cloud IoT Core MQTT and HTTP bridges and existing
connections will be shut down. Your current IoT Core Services will
remain available through August 15, 2023, unless you terminate your
usage of IoT Core at an earlier date. What do I need to do? We
recommend that you take action early to migrate from IoT Core to an
alternative service. As an initial step, connect with your Google
Cloud account manager if you have questions about your migration
plans. Your account manager can also help you learn more about
Google Cloud partners that offer alternative IoT technology or
implementation services that meet your business requirements. Over
the next year, we will continue to reach out with additional
information to support you during your migration. --The Google
Cloud IoT Core Product Team
Author : borner791
Score : 70 points
Date : 2022-08-15 20:59 UTC (2 hours ago)
| travisgriggs wrote:
| This is starting to feel like the Windows platform post
| MFC/Win32.
|
| Every couple years, it was a new initiative to get developers and
| the middle management deciders revved up. A sort of a "we're
| building it so that you'll come, right?" thing. And then a year
| or so later, a new initiative replaced it, the offering was
| dramatically watered down, or just altogether sunset'ed.
| gcharris wrote:
| I don't know why anyone would build anything that relies on a
| google offering these days. What are they going to discontinue
| next?
| neodypsis wrote:
| That's why I prefer to invest time and effort on AWS. I know I
| won't have to rewrite everything from scratch whenever Google
| feels like abandoning their projects.
| dark-star wrote:
| AWS has never discontinued one of their services?
|
| Not trolling, seriously asking (I don't use hyperscalers)
| paleotrope wrote:
| Ec2 classic networking is going away this month.
|
| But that's ancient technology at this point.
| throwayyy479087 wrote:
| Migration paths and assistance have been repeatedly sent
| out though - you'd have to literally not care about the
| system to have this impact you.
| Macha wrote:
| As in "the second AWS product launched", and has been
| deprecated since 2013, which is around the time GCP
| became more than just App Engine.
| neodypsis wrote:
| To the best of my knowledge, no. At least none of the AWS
| services I've used. They've deprecated support for some CAs
| and stuff, but that seems reasonable.
| WoahNoun wrote:
| Not that I'm aware of. They'd be fully justified in
| shutting down simpleDB since it hasn't had a feature update
| in over a decade, but they still keep it running. New
| accounts can't sign up for it and it only exists in the
| oldest regions.
|
| They were going to retire old s3 path styles, but they
| changed their mind after customer feedback.
| [deleted]
| 0xbadcafebee wrote:
| Supposedly the funding for Google Cloud will go bye-bye if they
| don't beat Azure by 2023. They won't axe all of Google Cloud,
| but I bet they'll start killing services that don't make money.
| (Remember: Google is an advertising company; loss-leading cloud
| services don't help them sell ads)
| Teknoman117 wrote:
| Forgive my ignorance, but from a business perspective, is
| Google Docs, Drive, etc. considered part of Google Cloud or
| is GSuite distinctly different?
| gregsadetsky wrote:
| G Suite / Workspace is not typically considered part of
| Google Cloud Platform (GCP), which is Google's
| equivalent/competitor to AWS and Azure.
| stingrae wrote:
| They are pretty separate. It is like Azure (Google Cloud
| Platform) and Office365 (GSuite) for Microsoft.
| senttoschool wrote:
| >Supposedly the funding for Google Cloud will go bye-bye if
| they don't beat Azure by 2023.
|
| Source on this?
|
| Also, Amazon was just an eCommerce store before AWS.
| gregsadetsky wrote:
| This article/rumor from 2018-ish:
|
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21815260
| senttoschool wrote:
| I wouldn't put too much stock into something from 2018,
| which was a 3rd party report on a meeting in 2016.
| idunno246 wrote:
| nah the article was really overblown. 'we've approved budget
| for five years. and our goal is to beat azure.' more or less,
| but that doesnt mean in five years there wouldn't be more
| budget approved, and it didnt seem like an ultimatum
| connecting the two. businesses dont plan infinite years out.
|
| while google cloud as a whole i dont see going away,
| individual products within it(like iot core) are gonna always
| be up for the chopping block
| LightG wrote:
| Deprecation as a Service?
| qbasic_forever wrote:
| Google regrets to inform you that its Google Graveyard service
| deprecation service (aka Project Pallbearer) has now reached
| the end of its life and is deprecated.
|
| -This message generated by Google Graveyard service deprecation
| service
| qbasic_forever wrote:
| Wow one year to move off seems pretty fast for embedded
| customers. I'm going to guess they have very little real-world
| usage and customers.
| openthc wrote:
| hahaa; wow. So, we were doing this sensor project; and I picked
| "boring" things like raspberry-pi, python scripts, wiring the
| GPIO with a screw-down terminal or using SDR for other off-the
| shelf sensors to build the network. And in one of the demos
| showing our very low-budget type project a reviewer said: "you
| should look at IoT managers like the G offering, we're using it".
| So, they declined to use our methods and built their own around
| G-IoT. It's important to "own" what you can in your stack
| otherwise this vendor-driven-churn is forced on you and is
| outside a schedule you control. Sure, 365 days is a lot of time
| to migrate -- which, IME, leads to "we can fix this later" which
| then leads to "oh crap!"
| andrewxdiamond wrote:
| I think it's important to "own" what makes you different.
|
| Running your own servers isn't that important and probably
| isn't what makes you different. EC2, Azure VMs or whatever
| short term project Google is running for compute are all
| extremely comparable, and you loose very little by using them.
|
| But if your business is owning and operating an IoT platform
| for your customers, you should invest in a high quality
| solution, not just buying the off-the-shelf tool. It may be
| that a provider's offering is better than what you can do, but
| it better be a lot better if you use it.
|
| The point is to invest heavily in what actually makes a
| difference, vertically integrate what matters, externalize what
| doesn't.
| gerdesj wrote:
| I think it is important to mostly be in charge of your own
| destiny too.
|
| When my doorbell (Doorbird) goes off at home the following
| happens:
|
| * A real chime sounds (battery backed, mains powered, no
| internet required) * Native app goes ape shit and twitters
| (often about two hours later) * Home Assistant app kicks in
| on queue and does what I tell it to: Speakers speak, SMS sent
| etc
| robertlagrant wrote:
| Slightly disagree. The important thing is to externalise
| things that multiple providers support. So externalise
| hosting Postgres, because 20 companies exist that do that.
| Don't externalise a one of a kind service you can't build
| against using open standards. Insource that.
| Nextgrid wrote:
| I hate the current trend of smearing your business logic across
| dozens of third-party providers with various business goals
| that rarely align with yours.
|
| I'm also not confident that the constant churn of keeping up
| with API changes (if not outright deprecations like this) and
| costs of the third-party services end up costing you more than
| just doing it yourself.
|
| Finally, what we've seen with Okta, Twilio, most recently
| MailChimp (which was used to attempt to attack DigitalOcean
| customers among others) clearly shows that these companies
| aren't magic and may not actually be any better than doing it
| yourself when it comes to security.
| baybal2 wrote:
| game-of-throws wrote:
| 3 years ago Google killed off Android Things[1] and told everyone
| to migrate to IoT Core. Now IoT Core is dead. But don't worry
| about all that, just connect with your Google Cloud account
| manager! They'll tell you exactly which Google platform you
| should migrate to next.
|
| [1]: https://android-developers.googleblog.com/2019/02/an-
| update-...
| StringyBob wrote:
| What devices are there in the field are reliant on the Google IoT
| Core Service platform?
|
| Are there 'smart' devices that are just going to stop working
| unless people rewrite the firmware for a different system like
| AWS or Azure IoT?
| baybal2 wrote:
| yjftsjthsd-h wrote:
| Well that's hilarious. And here I was always told that Google
| Cloud was supposed to be the one that didn't kill services.
| nicosandller wrote:
| How are they going to keep the "google home" ecosystem alive
| without IoT Core ?
|
| They said they were going full on the matter protocol but I don't
| see how this will replace it fully yet.
| qbasic_forever wrote:
| There are so many different teams and organizations and
| acquisitions and such that I suspect Google Home has nothing at
| all to do with Google IoT. The IoT thing looks like it was
| focused more on being device management presumably to help
| funnel industrial and embedded customers in to using GCP and
| other Google cloud services. The Google Home stuff is probably
| all from Nest and such and entirely separate.
| patwolf wrote:
| I've been a defender of GCP in the past, and I've been quick to
| point out that while Google has a reputation for killing
| products, GCP has been fairly stable. This, however, changes my
| opinion.
|
| I've been successfully using Cloud IoT for a few years. Now I
| need to find an alternative. There's a vendor named ClearWire
| that announced today a direct migration path, but at this point
| I'd rather roll my own.
| kerblang wrote:
| Are we talking about this? https://cloud.google.com/solutions/iot
| gregsadetsky wrote:
| Yep, see the discontinuation banner at the top of
| https://cloud.google.com/iot-core
| joegahona wrote:
| > Google Cloud IoT Core is being retired on August 16, 2023.
| Contact your Google Cloud account team for more information.
|
| Gotta love the "retired" nomenclature -- as though it has had
| a long, productive career and now is the normal/usual time to
| end.
| mindcrime wrote:
| Google should just go ahead and shut down their entire Cloud
| business. I mean, nobody in their right mind would build a
| business or anything substantial on top of any Google provided
| service, and the hobbyist market can't be _that_ big. Just go
| ahead and drop out Google, and quit fucking wasting everybody 's
| time.
| nshm wrote:
| And tensorflow
| dekhn wrote:
| Google Cloud (VMs, blob storage, databases) bring in multiple
| billions of revenue a year from enterprise. The company
| invested billions in new data centers and transferred large
| parts of intenral technical infrastructure into cloud to build
| these products over a decade.
|
| If Google Cloud (VMs, blob storage, databases) shut down, not
| only will large # of enterprises howl (data gravity is huge),
| Google will absolutely have no future in any enterprise product
| ever again.
|
| I do expect them to aggressively trim small products from the
| cloud lineup that aren't worth the engineering investment. IoT
| clouds were a popular thing for several months and then people
| realized there wasn't a huge market or tons of profit.
| throwayyy479087 wrote:
| Large revenue numbers don't guarantee large profits.
| Sometimes you're just losing more money, faster.
| psanford wrote:
| AWS doesn't do this. AWS keeps around old deprecated services
| that they aren't developing new features for, in perpetuity
| (e.g. SimpleDB). They might not launch that service into new
| regions, but they will keep it around in existing regions to
| not break customers who depend on it.
|
| This is a reflection of AWS being "customer obsessed" where
| Google is not.
| WoahNoun wrote:
| There's a lot of money in IoT; it's just not rapid growth.
| It's a business line that will require years of enterprise
| sales followed by the integration work. This video of from
| 2019 shows Volkswagon starting a rollout of AWS's IoT cloud
| for 122 factories world wide. I don't think Google is good at
| running a business with multiyear sales cycle followed by
| multiyear scale-ups to starting making money.
|
| https://aws.amazon.com/solutions/case-studies/volkswagen-
| vid...
| Spooky23 wrote:
| Holy dramatic drama, Batman!
| enos_feedler wrote:
| Hobbyist market is also not using gcp and more likely using
| digital ocean or similar
| radiojasper wrote:
| I just read an article that Discord is heavily relying on
| Google Cloud [0]
|
| [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32474093
| btgeekboy wrote:
| Luckily, it sounds as if they're relying mostly on lower
| level primitives vs. these higher level abstractions that are
| more likely to be discontinued.
| Animats wrote:
| Yes. They already angered the game dev community, and few
| believe Stadia will stay around. This angers the industrial
| internet-of-things community. You can get Siemens industrial
| equipment tied to Google IoT Core. Hopefully you don't already
| have it installed. Industrial controls people think in terms of
| decades, not months.
|
| A Coursera class on Google IoT Core for industrial control
| started today. 77,000 people signed up.
| stingrae wrote:
| "Google Cloud IoT Core is being retired on August 16, 2023.
| Contact your Google Cloud account team for more information."
| -https://cloud.google.com/iot-core
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