[HN Gopher] How to make fermented hot sauce (2021)
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       How to make fermented hot sauce (2021)
        
       Author : Kaibeezy
       Score  : 186 points
       Date   : 2022-08-16 18:06 UTC (4 hours ago)
        
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       | bitwrangler wrote:
       | I make sauerkraut in an old clear Costco nut container, the kind
       | with the large mouth on top and a threaded lid. Any plastic
       | container with a large lid works.
       | 
       | On a kitchen scale, place the container and then reset tare
       | weight to zero out. Add cabbage previously chopped using a food
       | processor, then add a little (about 1/4 cup) spring water (not
       | tap water) and stir in 3% by weight of kosher salt. Leave it on
       | the counter for two weeks and release the lid some to let out
       | gas. Use clean spoon and stir it a couple times over the two
       | weeks to keep it mixed. The bright green cabbage turns more tan,
       | then move it into the fridge.
       | 
       | Toss it onto some on salads or sandwiches, etc. It is one of the
       | easiest healthy yummy things to make.
        
         | short_sells_poo wrote:
         | Why does the salt have to be kosher?
        
           | bitwrangler wrote:
           | mostly to avoid any iodine which could interfere with the
           | fermentation process. I suppose one could use pickling salt
           | too. Maybe regular table salt is fine, but that's what I use
           | since I keep it on hand.
        
           | scrumbledober wrote:
           | It doesn't, but kosher salt is a lot easier to work with.
        
             | Kaibeezy wrote:
             | Is it Diamond Crystal or Morton's in the recipe? That's a
             | big difference in NaCl.
        
               | cp9 wrote:
               | if you are measuring by weight rather than volume they
               | contain the same amount of sodium
        
               | unwind wrote:
               | Isn't 3% by weight always right, even if you get there by
               | shaving chips from a giant rock salt crystal or whatever?
        
               | Kaibeezy wrote:
               | Ah, right! So many recipes!
        
             | Turing_Machine wrote:
             | Koreans use a similar coarse-grained salt to produce
             | kimchi, for much the same reasons.
        
               | kazinator wrote:
               | The "corn" in "corned beef" refers to coarse grains of
               | salt.
        
           | hnfong wrote:
           | The added iodine in non-kosher salt probably affects
           | microbiological growth in
           | undesirable/unpredictable/unexpected ways.
        
           | [deleted]
        
           | selectodude wrote:
           | In North America, the coarse salt with zero additives is
           | called "kosher" salt because the Jews used it to brine meat.
           | It's generally approved by a Rabbi but even if it weren't
           | actually Kosher, it would still be called kosher.
        
           | _whiteCaps_ wrote:
           | Some salt (table salt) has additives like iodine or anti
           | caking agents that you don't want in your ferment because it
           | will cause it to be cloudy (or even more cloudy).
           | 
           | There's also some people who claim the iodine will inhibit
           | fermentation, but studies have shown that it doesn't have
           | much of an effect [1].
           | 
           | 1 - https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S07
           | 400...
        
             | selimthegrim wrote:
             | I think it just has a discoloring effect.
        
             | nick__m wrote:
             | Kosher salt contains an anticaking agent. My box of Morton
             | Kosher salt list Salt and Yellow Prussiate of Soda
             | (anticaking agent) and so does my box of Windsor Kosher
             | salt.
        
           | Turing_Machine wrote:
           | Kosher, in this sense, describes the texture of the salt
           | (coarse-grained), not necessarily that the salt is kosher in
           | and of itself (though it usually is).
           | 
           | It's used for producing kosher meat.
        
         | mvcalder wrote:
         | Here's a tip, you can remove chlorine from tap water by
         | spinning it for a minute in the blender. Then it won't
         | interfere with fermentation.
        
           | uxamanda wrote:
           | Never heard this, nice tip! I just leave it out overnight if
           | I am removing chlorine.
        
           | agitator wrote:
           | You can also boil water to remove chlorine. Stove or electric
           | tea kettle works.
        
       | alphalima wrote:
       | A slightly different beginner lacto ferment is turnip + beetroot
       | "pickle". 9 parts turnips, 1 part beetroot, 2% salt of combined
       | turnip + beetroot + water, all by weight.
       | 
       | Super tasty, not spicy, can be done in 5 days, fermentation kicks
       | off quickly due to sugar content in beets so you get quick
       | feedback.
        
       | WaitWaitWha wrote:
       | Growing up and till today, we ferment our excess vegetables.
       | 
       | I will have to try hot peppers as I have never done them.
       | 
       | We use a small piece of home made bread on the bottom of the
       | primary jar. It works every time.
        
         | nolroz wrote:
         | Wow, this is cool to hear. Do you use any vegetables at all? Is
         | there a particular flavor you are going for or just anything
         | goes?
         | 
         | Do you leave it chunky like a Kimchi? Do you make a sauce out
         | of it? What do you serve it with? Do you put the veg in a salt
         | water brine or just pile it in the jar with the bread?
        
       | joshu wrote:
       | i have six different kinds of chilis fermenting right now. it's a
       | lot of fun and the results can be spectacular. also you can put a
       | bit of dried chilis in there to add a bunch of lovely smokiness.
       | 
       | i do lactofermentation in a vacuum bag. it works very well, just
       | need to put a pinhole in it before it explodes.
        
       | sbf501 wrote:
       | I started making fermented hot sauce during COVID in 2020.
       | There's a fancy grocery store near me that sells scorpions,
       | ghosts, and reapers, as well as burdock, tamarind, mango, etc. I
       | usually fermented for a week, and I've tried longer with little
       | difference. I made an entire spreadsheet full of recipes that I
       | tried, but ultimately I thought the fermented sour flavor
       | overwhelmed everything. So, I started making them without
       | fermenting, but with a little cooking to help break down some of
       | the fruits and veggies and blend the flavors, and suddenly
       | everything tasted 10x better. I was surprised, because for some
       | reason I got it in my head that hot sauce _must_ be fermented,
       | when that 's totally not true. Anyway, my $0.02 on fermenting
       | hotsauce.
        
         | chefandy wrote:
         | The fermentation slows down after a few days so the difference
         | between one and two weeks isn't huge but the difference between
         | a week and 4 months is significant. Consider that
         | Worcestershire sauce is mostly fermented onions and fish...
         | It's amazing what a couple years of aging can do. Also, there's
         | no reason your final product can't be a mix of both! Get the
         | best of both worlds.
        
           | agitator wrote:
           | Yeah was going to say the same thing. I've been making
           | kombucha for a while, and I have a process down where at the
           | final stage I blend kombucha from various fermentation stages
           | to get the mix of tartness, sweetness, fruit flavor, and
           | alcohol content I'm looking for.
           | 
           | It doesn't need to be binary. You can always mix cooked sauce
           | with fermented to get the flavor profile you are looking for.
        
       | hardwaregeek wrote:
       | It's so fun to ferment stuff! Yogurt and sauerkraut are good
       | starter ferments. Kimchi too. With hot sauce make sure to wear
       | gloves and try to remove the pith and seeds. In my experience it
       | can make the sauce quite bitter.
        
         | uxamanda wrote:
         | Agree, it is fun :-) Kefir is even easier than yogurt once you
         | get the grains.
        
         | wjnc wrote:
         | Any tips to calm an overly cautious mind for food based
         | tinkering like fermentation? My rational part understands that
         | with a proper recipe and clean work there's no more risk than
         | from a random food locality and still ... when I was young my
         | mom was a cooking enthousiast and a great cook and she landed
         | in the hospital with a nearly lethal food poisoning one day.
         | That has probably shaken my senses for the more adventurous
         | cooking like fermentation.
        
           | Tomte wrote:
           | Fermentation is pretty much safe. Make sure you get two
           | things right:
           | 
           | 1. Salt. You want at least 2% by weight (vegetables and
           | water). Recipes differ, up to 5-ish %, just follow the
           | recipe.
           | 
           | 2. Anaerobic. No need to fear opening the jar every now and
           | then, but submerge the vegetables in the brine and don't stir
           | the brine much when you open the jar (to taste it, for
           | example). There may be white fungus on top where the brine-
           | air line is, but that's benign. Just skim it off.
           | 
           | If you make sure those two conditions are met, lactobacilla
           | (and yeast) will out-compete everything else. Especially
           | everything dangerous.
        
           | weaksauce wrote:
           | Fermentation can be safer than raw veggies actually. just
           | make sure you have 2%+ brine by weight of the veggies and the
           | water and you should be ok. keep the ferment in a cooler to
           | let the lacto bacillus do their thing at optimal
           | temperatures.
           | 
           | if there is stringy/fluffy mold then your ferment went south
           | and you should throw generally to be on the safe side. if
           | it's more brain like white folding without wispy bits you
           | should be ok to just skim it. (kahm yeast is harmless
           | generally)
           | 
           | if you are really paranoid you can buy some pH strips to see
           | if the lacto bacteria got the veggies down to the proper pH.
           | botulism is basically impossible for a setup like this as
           | long as you are following the basic guidelines and not trying
           | to do some weird canning/fermentation setup. (botulism needs
           | low competing bacteria[aka improper canning where you kill
           | off all the good bacteria and leave the botulism spores], low
           | salinity [more canning], anaerobic environment[technically
           | this can happen in a ferment since the outgas from the
           | bacteria is co2], and finally non-acidic environment[the
           | lacto bacillus makes it an acidic environment pretty
           | quickly])
           | 
           | there's also two schools of thought to letting it be or
           | pushing down. some people push the ferment down under the
           | brine every day until it gets established and some people let
           | it go until they taste it however long it that takes. the
           | first camp think that by doing that you push any potential
           | contaminants down under the brine where it can't reproduce
           | that well so there is never any big problem. the second camp
           | just take the chance that they were clean enough to not
           | introduce any molds (but there are molds in the air)
           | 
           | the other thing you can do to help is to make your own co2
           | blanket by mixing baking soda and vinegar and then pouring
           | the co2 over the open jars. Be careful not to splash any of
           | that liquid into your brine though! (similar to how you blow
           | out a candle in science class). I've tried it and it seems to
           | help but i'm not 100% convinced it is required.
        
         | tsumnia wrote:
         | Agreed! I picked up brewing kombucha over lockdown and its been
         | a fun vehicle for trying out flavors you won't see in stores.
         | I've made watermelon mint, lychee, mango carolina reaper (it
         | took 2 attempts to get the heat right), and even attempted a
         | bloody mary that went horribly wrong.
        
           | mindcrime wrote:
           | _mango carolina reaper_
           | 
           | You are God to me now...
           | 
           | OK, not seriously, but that _does_ sound amazing. I love
           | mango and I love hot peppers, including Carolina Reaper, so
           | that sounds like something I should try.
        
             | tsumnia wrote:
             | When I make it I use 1 carton of Goya Mango Nectar and TWO
             | reapers. Let that simmer in a pot for 20-30 minutes. Let
             | the mixer come to room temp and mix with your kombucha brew
             | before moving to second fermentation. It'll give a
             | noticeable burn, but the mango counters it nicely. Don't be
             | tough with the peppers, those TWO go a long way. My first
             | attempt I did six because I had no gauge and it felt like I
             | was drinking sandpaper.
             | 
             | When reapers are out of season, you can substitute with 6
             | habaneros. Same level of heat (maybe a bit less), but
             | slightly different flavors since reapers and habaneros'
             | fruity flavors are different.
        
             | knodi123 wrote:
             | Have you had this?
             | 
             | https://queenmajestyhotsauce.com/products/queen-majesty-
             | scot...
             | 
             | Seriously my favorite hot sauce of all time. It would be
             | easy to let the scotch bonnet overwhelm things, but it's
             | such a nice balance, it's only considered a "medium" heat
             | overall.
        
       | jonnycomputer wrote:
       | When fermenting pickles and peppers, mine always end up being too
       | salty; I tend to want to error on the side of being too salty to
       | make sure its a safe ferment, but then I have to soak the pickles
       | in potable water until they aren't too salty anymore. I'll get it
       | right someday.
       | 
       | I suspect that using volume measurements instead of mass might be
       | part of the problem.
        
         | Ironlikebike wrote:
         | If it's hot in the kitchen (I ferment on the counter so I don't
         | forget about the ferments), I ere on the side of caution and
         | use quite a bit of salt. After a few days I taste the brine. It
         | should be starting to sour. If it's clearly too salty, I just
         | add a bit of fresh water to the crock, taste again, and repeat.
         | 
         | I taste it every day and refrigerate the ferment once it's at
         | the right sourness.
        
         | bitwrangler wrote:
         | I would suggest using a kitchen scale to weight the food (minus
         | the container weight) and then add in the 3% of salt (or
         | whatever percent you want). Using the scale made all the
         | difference for me with getting the consistency and flavor. good
         | luck!
        
           | MrMetlHed wrote:
           | Two of my most used and most useful kitchen tools are a
           | Thermapen and a digital scale. Just being able to measure
           | accurately makes all of the difference in cooking just about
           | anything. A cup of flour or a teaspoon of salt can weigh very
           | differently depending on how tightly packed or how fine the
           | grain is, better to be exact and not risk screwing everything
           | up.
        
             | nbk_2000 wrote:
             | I love Thermapens! I've been looking for an equally well
             | built kitchen scale. Have any recommendations?
        
         | bobthepanda wrote:
         | Salty fermentation products are good for stir fries or soups
         | where a little goes a long way, and you can dilute with other
         | ingredients.
        
         | powersnail wrote:
         | Using volume measurement for salt is a bit problematic, because
         | different brand of salt come with different sizes. A teaspoon
         | of finer salt might be twice as heavy as a teaspoon of coarser
         | salt. It's not always easy to find out that ratio between your
         | salt and the one used by the recipe author.
        
         | nomel wrote:
         | I wonder if the gasses could be sampled and monitored, or maybe
         | some spectral analysis of the fluids, to find if undesirable
         | biological activity were happening?
        
           | bagels wrote:
           | I use litmus paper to test acidity of the brine. Usually ends
           | up around 3.0-3.5 ph.
           | 
           | Also monitor smell, bubble formation (good) and watch for bad
           | colors (white, black, green mold on top), browning of
           | ferment, especially near the top (bad)
        
       | hahamrfunnyguy wrote:
       | I make a lot of fermented food. This guide complicates things a
       | bit. You don't really need an airtight container with a
       | fermentation lock. The easiest thing to do is just keep a layer
       | of brine above the top of whatever you are fermenting. I use
       | mason jars of all sizes and flip the lid over backwards and put
       | the ring on loosely. This allows any gas to escape and keeps
       | contaminants out.
        
         | uxamanda wrote:
         | Your method works, but to make it easier to keep the food below
         | the brine, I put a tiny bowl (like you'd use for spices when
         | prepping) inside the mason jar to push things down while still
         | allowing it to bubble. Cover with a piece of cheesecloth and a
         | rubber band.
         | 
         | Food below the brine is key, it will mold otherwise (as I've
         | learned the hard way...).
        
           | LesZedCB wrote:
           | you can also get glass fermentation weights that are made to
           | fit inside the mouths of mason jars. we've had good luck with
           | those.
           | 
           | other nice simple one is the silicon nipple looking covers.
           | just screw it onto the mason jar and it self burps
        
             | uxamanda wrote:
             | Yes for sure, I need to upgrade my system at some point.
             | Another one I've used is a ziplock bag partly filled with
             | water. I don't love the idea of plastic in fermentation,
             | but it has worked in a pinch.
        
               | slimsag wrote:
               | Look at e-jen containers, they're for kimchi normally but
               | I use them for fermenting tons of things. They're great.
        
               | dendrite9 wrote:
               | I wish that worked for me, I've found there are folds in
               | the bag that seem to be good starting points for
               | mold/infection. Unfortunately I'm not certain what in my
               | process caused this, after a few tests I decided it
               | wasn't for me.
        
             | eth0up wrote:
             | Nipples are dandy, but one overlooked and very simple,
             | effective method is a foodgrade plastic bag (sandwich,
             | ziplock) placed over the mouth of the jar and held on with
             | a rubber band. The flexibility of the rubber band allows
             | gas to escape and if paranoid about the top layer, a leaf
             | or more of cabbage (or something else) can help press the
             | desirable layer beneath the brine. I've found that after
             | 10-14 days the leaves become unappealing but do not affect
             | anything beneath. Note: I ferment in Florida, with the AC
             | rarely below 80f unless such occurs naturally. I have
             | learned to increase the salt and decrease the time when the
             | temp is above 77f.
        
         | tylersmalley wrote:
         | The Noma Guide to Fermentation mentions using a vacuum-sealed
         | plastic bag. I find this much easier to manage. You will only
         | need to "burp" the bag by cutting a corner off, releasing the
         | air then re-sealing.
        
           | bagels wrote:
           | Can also use a zip lock with water in it, just squeeze air
           | out of the corner.
        
           | LesZedCB wrote:
           | how do you reseal after you cut off a corner?
        
             | crygin wrote:
             | An impulse sealer bar, like you'd use to seal the vacuum
             | bag originally.
        
             | tylersmalley wrote:
             | The vacuum sealer uses heat to seal special bags. You re-
             | seal the same way you seal it originally by placing the
             | part of the bag with a corner cut off in the machine and
             | turning it on. The bag will get a bit smaller each time,
             | but even for long ferments I don't need to do it more than
             | 1 or 2 times. I just make sure to size the bag originally
             | to account for it.
        
       | spelunker wrote:
       | Question for fermentation hot sauce aficionados: my Anaheim
       | peppers are doing great in my garden and I have far more than I
       | know what to do with; Anaheim are pretty mild, so are they even
       | worth making a hot sauce out of?
        
         | nbk_2000 wrote:
         | If it's the flavor you like, and just want to add heat, you can
         | augment the heat with a high scoville neutral chili. I've done
         | this before by adding habanero or high scoville cayenne after
         | the ferment is several days in.
        
         | hahamrfunnyguy wrote:
         | I'd say so if you could figure what you wanted to put it on. It
         | would be sweet and sour instead of spicy. I bet it would be
         | good on meatloaf. Maybe you want to slice them up and just have
         | them as pickled peppers. You could also make pepper ketchup or
         | relish.
        
         | bagels wrote:
         | You can still ferment them to preserve. Will make a sweeter
         | sauce that would still make a nice condiment.
        
         | uxamanda wrote:
         | It's always fun to mix peppers when fermenting. Could add a
         | couple habaneros if you wanted heat! I also sometimes char half
         | of them to get a smoky flavor. Just make sure some are raw so
         | that it ferments.
        
       | LesZedCB wrote:
       | kombucha is also REALLY good and pretty easy! and once you scale
       | up a little bit you can have basically as much kombucha as you
       | want for mere pennies. way better than the $/bottle at the
       | grocery store or costco.
        
       | onychomys wrote:
       | I use this system [0], which is basically foolproof and is easy
       | as pie. The end results are amazing. Right now I have two jars of
       | blended up hatch chiles (with onion, garlic, carrots, and 4% salt
       | by weight) on the counter, probably two more months to go on
       | them. It's a super fun way to make food.
       | 
       | [0] https://nourishedessentials.com/products/the-easy-fermenter
        
         | enviclash wrote:
         | I love carrots pikcled and fermented, what makes them so
         | special?
        
       | 01100011 wrote:
       | Made some last year using fresno chilis, garlic and onions. It
       | came out great but had a tendency to go right through me. I threw
       | some in a pot and boiled it briefly and now it doesn't cause any
       | issues. I'm guessing the fermentation bacteria were warring with
       | my natural flora. Anyway, try this if you have similar issues.
        
       | ksaj wrote:
       | I just opened one 2 weekends ago. I bought a kit (because of the
       | really nice bottles), but then ignored the instructions and found
       | significantly better recipes online. First time I've fermented
       | one, and it came out gloriously.
       | 
       | I'm proud of the result because it tastes nothing like other hot
       | sauces I've had (and there have been very many!), but also
       | doesn't taste the least bit strange or out-of-place. I expected
       | it to taste like Tabasco, but it came out more like Hunan because
       | of a much darker flavour.
       | 
       | I also make regular hot sauces with fruits and herbs that I
       | forage from the neighbourhood. My current dipper is a slightly
       | smokey medium heat made with morita, cascabel and guajira
       | peppers, plum-like damson fruit and some wild mint that I
       | lovingly call "ditch-mint" because that's where I found it. It
       | would probably work fermented, but I've only tried fermenting
       | once so far.
       | 
       | Once you get the connection with how certain ingredients alter
       | the taste and texture when combined, you can pretty much wing it
       | as you go. The more complex, the better. There is a balance, and
       | you quickly learn flavourful vinegars / citrus, and sweeteners
       | (brown sugar/honey/maple) will balance out just about any amount
       | of spices and herbs. It's very rewarding if you like hot sauces,
       | dips, marinades, etc, and the results will pretty much always
       | make you feel like an old pro.
        
         | wackget wrote:
         | Which better recipe did you follow?
        
           | ksaj wrote:
           | I literally Google Image surf and choose one that looks good.
           | Then I use it as a guide so my ingredient portions would be
           | reasonably correct. I also tend to stay reasonably faithful
           | to the spices used, since that's where a lot of the
           | characteristic flavour besides the pepper itself comes from.
           | I don't follow them entirely faithfully since I use
           | ingredients from my garden and from the neighbourhood. Like
           | the Damson I used - those are like little black plums. But
           | literally any fruit even remotely like them will work.
           | 
           | For example, I didn't have enough wine vinegar for my most
           | recent dipper that I mentioned, so I mixed what I had with a
           | little cooking rice wine with about 1/8 cup of sherry, and
           | then added less salt than was originally called for since
           | cooking wine tends to already be salty. And it came out quite
           | yummy.
        
         | grigri907 wrote:
         | Care to share some links to your favorites?
        
           | ksaj wrote:
           | I don't keep them around since I mainly use them more for
           | inspiration. But the non-fermented dipper I mentioned was
           | based on the one here: https://plantedandpicked.com/habanero-
           | plum-hot-sauce.
           | 
           | Pretty much the only thing I really stick to verbatim is the
           | spices and some of the herbs. And I use the recipe volumes
           | (tsps or cups or whatever) to gauge what I need to do to
           | ensure the finished sauce will be recognizable and balanced
           | appropriately.
        
         | rdudek wrote:
         | Do you have a recommendation on a kit to use?
        
           | ksaj wrote:
           | Not really. I literally only bought this because I was
           | interested in the bottles that came with the kit. Well, I
           | looked because I'm interested in the subject, but I bought it
           | for the bottles because they are nicer looking than what I
           | was using prior. The kit came with a sampling of different
           | types of dried peppers, so I'm using them for things as well.
           | 
           | If you want to go for a kit, find one with several types of
           | peppers. There is a lot of variety in flavour and heat
           | levels. I mentioned cascabel, for example... they're not
           | particularly hot, but instantly make you think "Mexican!"
           | when you taste it. Even with kits, you still have to buy all
           | the other ingredients, so I think it is actually better to
           | just go that route and use ingredients you already have or
           | buy with groceries.
           | 
           | If you are going to ferment, I did use a water bubbler that I
           | got from a wine brewing place. They are not expensive, since
           | they are simply clear plastic valves and a rubber sealing
           | ring. I've seen them for super cheap on Wish dot com even. I
           | don't use a pH tester (although I may in the future), but
           | after 2 weeks, just taste it. You'll know if it is ready
           | because it'll taste very different than how it tasted when
           | you bottled it. Chance of it still fermenting after 2 weeks
           | is nearly zero anyway. At least that's the general consensus
           | I read online, and it worked out that way for my first
           | attempt.
        
         | nomel wrote:
         | > but then ignored the instructions and found significantly
         | better recipes online
         | 
         | How did you compare them?
        
           | prichino wrote:
           | He did a peer-reviewed, double-blind study with 1000 test
           | subjects over the course of 10 years.
        
           | ksaj wrote:
           | The included recipes were of the "introductory level" type
           | that would of course be passable, but devoid of any
           | complexity. I've made enough sauces now that I can make a
           | pretty good guess on how it'll turn out with various
           | ingredients.
        
       | tschwimmer wrote:
       | This is obviously a well-researched and well written article, but
       | I do disagree with one of the food safety recommendations the
       | author makes. About mold, they say "Mold is another issue. If you
       | see green, blue, black, or orange mold growing on the surface of
       | your ferment, you don't always have to throw it out. Just scrape
       | it off if the growth isn't extensive." This may seem like
       | reasonable advice, but in fact the visible mold is merely the
       | fruiting body. The roots (I believe they're called mycelium) of
       | the mold grow down into the substrate (in this case your hot
       | sauce). I can't speak to the health effects of consuming the
       | mycelium vs the fruiting bodies, but it's not sufficient to just
       | scrape off the surface.
        
         | ubercore wrote:
         | Every ferment has some level of mold in it, though. As do most
         | air cured meats.
        
           | mewse-hn wrote:
           | If you consider yeast a type of mold then sure
        
         | ssnistfajen wrote:
         | It depends on the texture and density of the fermenting
         | food/substrate. In some cases such as hard cheeses the mycelium
         | doesn't penetrate very deep which means the mold part can be
         | cut off and the rest is still reasonably safe to eat for anyone
         | who isn't immuno-compromised.
         | 
         | Although generally if there's unintended mold on home made
         | fermented foods it means something went wrong in one of the
         | preparation steps e.g. acidity too low, moisture too high,
         | something was exposed to air instead of submersed in brine.
         | Many Chinese language Youtube tutorials on fermented chili
         | sauce also suggest thoroughly wiping the inside of the
         | container with high ABV spirits before adding the mixture.
        
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         | eushebdbsh wrote:
         | mold is bacteria not fungi
        
           | l33t2328 wrote:
           | I'm curious if you're just misremembering or if there's some
           | particular reason you say that.
        
           | imaltont wrote:
           | No, mold is fungi. Some of them even contain anti-bacteria
           | properties (penicillin).
        
       | twelvechairs wrote:
       | Sauces are hard to get right in small batches. A good
       | demonstration for me was Epicurious YouTube series on 'expert
       | guesses cheap vs expensive' for various foods. The one for hot
       | sauce [0] is basically the only one in this series where the
       | 'expert' often preferred cheaper items to the more expensive -
       | basically as some of the small batch ones werent as carefully
       | flavor balanced
       | 
       | [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVRl8VzQMQM&t=1
        
       | shaburn wrote:
       | This place has really exceeded its reputation as bastion of
       | intellect.
        
       | enviclash wrote:
       | Fermentation shepherd here. I fusion India's and America's spicy
       | tradition with my alioli-romesco-paella EU background. Thus a
       | suggestion for the article: Add curcuma with the cumin, and
       | ginger and cardamom with the garlic.
       | 
       | My latest work is habanero-arbol-carrot-cauliflower pickle with a
       | complex spice mix, smashed and fermented two more days. Somehow
       | carrot & chili fermented sauces make us happy ;)
        
         | Kaibeezy wrote:
         | Curcuma is turmeric, yes?
        
           | enviclash wrote:
           | Exactly, online you can find dry root chips or cut the dry
           | roots into chips, then smash them with the coffee grinder, it
           | will taste 10x better.
        
         | nbk_2000 wrote:
         | I find carrot based fermented sauces very versatile as well.
         | Yum.
        
       | sva_ wrote:
       | This is funny to see, since just yesterday I randomly stumbled
       | upon this HN contribution[0], which discusses an "open sauce"
       | fermented chili sauce[1].
       | 
       | [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17540401
       | 
       | [1] https://github.com/aweijnitz/recipe-el_fuego_viviente
        
       | jamal-kumar wrote:
       | In Central America, most restaurants and bars serving local food
       | makes their own "Chilero" - it's pretty much a fermented hot
       | condiment which often has more whole pieces of ingredients that
       | aren't just chiles, such as various sliced/diced vegetables and
       | quite often cabbage. It's something like a hot sauerkraut a lot
       | of the time and very easy to make in a variety of spice ranges -
       | but if it's only a little spicy, or not spicy at all (You find
       | this closer to El Salvador), it's usually going to get called
       | "Encurtido" and is also very good with more of a herbal flavor
       | such as from oregano and thyme.
       | 
       | One time I took a girl out to a neighbourhood bar for lunch and
       | it was filled with a bunch of older people, when we got our food
       | and after some of the patrons actually bought us some drinks they
       | busted out the place's special bhut jolika chilero. Haha I swear
       | they made it just to watch whoever was new to the place burn and
       | sweat for a laugh.
       | 
       | I think interestingly that the proportion of people who like
       | spicy food vs people who don't is about the same between North
       | and South/Central America.
        
         | UnpossibleJim wrote:
         | Nevermind, I answered my own question =) I found an Encurtido
         | recipe made with red onions and I think I'll try it:
         | 
         | https://lacooquette.com/encurtido-curtido/
         | 
         | Thanks for bringing this up. Never heard of it, now I have =)
         | 
         | EDIT: this one isn't fermented, but at least I know what to
         | look for. Anyways, thanks! My fermenting jars are ready to go!
        
           | jamal-kumar wrote:
           | Yeah, there's more fermented versions that use maybe only a
           | bit of vinegar for preservation purposes for sure. It's
           | really quite a lot of different kinds you can make, the one
           | in that recipe is on the milder end of the curtido/chilero
           | spectrum. One I learned in the Caribbean which you find more
           | often in Panama is mostly just scotch bonnets, garlic, onions
           | and lemon juice as a base which is insanely hot (The woman in
           | this video is having a hard time with making it even, and
           | it's pretty much just throwing things in a blender and
           | letting it sit for a while so don't worry if you don't speak
           | the language):
           | 
           | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72eSB8d1gt4
           | 
           | I search 'chilero fermentado' for results.
        
         | nortonham wrote:
         | In El Salvador it's called curtido, and it's very simple to
         | make. Traditionally it's not meant to be spicy. Usually served
         | with pupusas. Some people add jalapenos or serranos when making
         | curtido to add some heat to it; varies from place to place,
         | family to family.
        
           | jamal-kumar wrote:
           | I love pupusas and never make the curtido spicy if it's time
           | for those. It would mess with people's expectations haha
           | 
           | To me the flavor of a good curtido is from fresh herbs
        
         | UnpossibleJim wrote:
         | Ummm, that sounds awesome! I don't suppose you have a favorite
         | recipe, or should I just search for "Chilero" and "Encurtido"
         | recipes?
         | 
         | It almost sounds like a Central American spice palette version
         | of Kimchee, which is rad as F.
        
           | jamal-kumar wrote:
           | Yeah it's pretty much that.
           | 
           | The recipes I'm finding in English are garbage. Try searching
           | 'chilero receta' or 'chilera receta' and you should find
           | something in Spanish to work off of in google translate. Even
           | better to search is 'chilero fermentado'.
        
       | MisterBastahrd wrote:
       | I am from Louisiana. I dislike the basic Tabasco sauce. While the
       | claim that tabasco sauce comes from fermented peppers is
       | technically true, the sauce tastes raw and far too vinegar-
       | forward compared to most hot sauces produced in and around
       | Louisiana. They claim that they ferment their peppers for 8 years
       | but I have my doubts just based on the sheer amount of heat.
       | 
       | One of the main reasons we like the sauces, by the way, is that
       | our food tends to be really rich and earthy. Think red beans or
       | gumbo or white beans over jambalaya. The acid cuts through the
       | fat.
        
         | stickfigure wrote:
         | Tabasco has its applications. By my taste buds, no other sauce
         | works quite right for clam chowder or louis dressing.
         | Otherwise, I agree with you.
        
         | gilrain wrote:
         | I love Tabasco, but there's a trick to it: think of it as a
         | really good seasoning vinegar rather than a really thin hot
         | sauce.
         | 
         | It stays in my fridge for use on breakfast eggs and potatoes,
         | where it excels. That "diner breakfast" flavor in a bottle.
        
         | Kaibeezy wrote:
         | Crystal hot sauce always seems right on my attempts at dirty
         | rice. That's the level of heat and type of flavor you mean,
         | yes?
        
           | MisterBastahrd wrote:
           | My go-to is Louisiana brand. A little less raw heat, a little
           | less vinegar, but more body and a better mouthfeel. I buy
           | large bottles of the stuff and my kids tear it up, especially
           | when eating things like red beans or pig feet.
        
             | selimthegrim wrote:
             | For some reason Louisiana brand is usually not to be found
             | in the joints that cater to tourists.
             | 
             | What I really never see outside the state is Cajun Chef.
             | Saltier than most but may be an acquired taste (I like it)
        
         | qbasic_forever wrote:
         | Crystal extra hot is the best big name sauce out there IMHO.
        
       | _whiteCaps_ wrote:
       | If you're new to fermenting, I highly recommend making tepache:
       | https://www.thespruceeats.com/pineapple-tepache-recipe-40787...
       | 
       | It's quite easy to make, although if you bottle it, you do need
       | to worry about overpressurization causing the bottles to explode.
       | I always tend to err on the side of caution so it's just a
       | slightly fizzy drink.
        
         | uxamanda wrote:
         | Agree! Tepache is easy to make and nice because it is using up
         | "scraps".
        
           | _whiteCaps_ wrote:
           | Yeah, exactly! Pineapple peel and core, plus some sugar and
           | tap water is all you need.
        
         | clawlor wrote:
         | I just tried this for the first time a few weeks ago. In
         | Colombia they call it chicha de pina. The stuff I had wasn't
         | bottled, just left on the counter in a large covered crock to
         | ferment for a few days. Sweetened with panela and some spices
         | like cinnamon and maybe anise.
        
           | _whiteCaps_ wrote:
           | Yup! If you want it more carbonated you can bottle it.
           | 
           | I can't get panela around here so I just use brown sugar.
        
       | eth0up wrote:
       | A link to a great resource for learning about peppers and
       | fermentation, replete with many good recipes:
       | https://m.youtube.com/c/Chillichump (Chilli Chump)
       | 
       | Edit for intriguing experiment of mine: I originally began
       | experimenting with fermented chillis due to a suspected h-pylori
       | infection. My reasons were a) h-pylori seems to swim away from
       | capsaicin, possibly encouraging it to develop an _excessive_
       | biofilm, thus contributing to its own isolation, b) capsaicin,
       | despite its apparent burning effect, can be helpful with ulcers
       | due in part to encouraging healthy mucous formation and c) the
       | lactobacillus and other probiotic factors involved. I believe
       | this was critical in abolishing a rather nasty ulcer that nearly
       | debilitated me.
        
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