[HN Gopher] Book Review: 1587, a Year of No Significance
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       Book Review: 1587, a Year of No Significance
        
       Author : Michelangelo11
       Score  : 46 points
       Date   : 2022-08-20 16:38 UTC (6 hours ago)
        
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       | codetrotter wrote:
       | Apparently this blog (Astral Codex Ten) is the successor to Slate
       | Star Codex.
       | 
       | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slate_Star_Codex
        
         | cato_the_elder wrote:
         | With the improvement that the new name is a more proper anagram
         | of "Scott Alexander". The old name was almost an anagram of
         | "Scott S Alexander", with the blemish of missing an N. [1]
         | 
         | [1]: https://slatestarcodex.com/2013/02/12/youre-probably-
         | wonderi...
        
         | mrec wrote:
         | Although for some reason its RSS feed seems to get consistently
         | ignored by my reader (Feedreader). Never had that problem with
         | SSC.
        
       | RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote:
       | Reading this reminds me of Faulkner's line: "The past is never
       | dead. It's not even past"
       | 
       | The Ming was heavily influenced by the Han Empire which was more
       | than a thousand years in the past.
       | 
       | Even today, there seems to be a current of rejection of the 20th
       | century (and even before) and a strong push for something before
       | that.
       | 
       | Xi in China seems more like a Ming Grand Secretary, than really
       | anything Communist.
       | 
       | Modi in India calls forth the Hindu Empires of the Middle Ages
       | and before than he does Nehru or Gandhi.
       | 
       | Erodogan is more Ottoman in outlook than Kemalist
       | 
       | Putin can best be understood through a Tsarist lens and his
       | perception of himself as another Peter the Great.
       | 
       | Even the right wing in the US looks back more to Medieval
       | European state sponsored Christianity than the Enlightenment
       | influence of the US founding.
        
         | mistrial9 wrote:
         | yeah - I like this one.. but for another angle, sometimes a
         | military will go to war despite its people, not for them.
         | Corollary - military leaders have to ride their own ranks,
         | which can look overly aggressive, foolish, inept or scared from
         | the outside, since all the talks are war council secret within.
        
       | ilamont wrote:
       | In the late 1980s while at college, this wonderful book was
       | assigned as part of a history of dynastic China, which followed a
       | reliable pattern for thousands of years: strong founder (often a
       | military leader), establishment of an imperial and military
       | bureaucracy capable of managing crises and expansion, then
       | ossification and failure owing to weak leadership and various
       | internal and external threats.
       | 
       | While the model of a weak/incompetent emperor late in the dynasty
       | was well known, few studies attempted to answer the _why_ as
       | Huang did with his book. He told it as a very readable and
       | interesting story and struggle of personality amidst a backdrop
       | of intrigue and crises.
       | 
       | It's actually unfair to call the Wanli emperor incompetent; as
       | Huang so beautifully illustrated in his book, he was a product
       | and victim of the system. He protested in one of the few ways he
       | could: doing nothing. By withdrawing from his responsibility, he
       | created a vacuum which other forces were able to take advantage
       | of, hastening the decline of the Ming dynasty.
       | 
       | I still have my copy of _1587_ , and re-read it every 5 or 10
       | years. If you can't find or don't have time for the book, check
       | out the excellent film _Fall of Ming_ (Da Ming Jie ) set later in
       | the dynasty.
        
         | jmeister wrote:
         | Here is that pattern in meme form:
         | 
         |  _Hard times create strong men.
         | 
         | Strong men create autocratic dynasties.
         | 
         | Autocratic dynasties create supernumerary bureaucracies.
         | 
         | Supernumerary bureaucracies create eunuch castes.
         | 
         | Eunuch castes create drama.
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         | Drama creates Heavenly displeasure.
         | 
         | Heavenly displeasure creates hard times._
         | 
         | https://twitter.com/thocpodcast/status/1471276360106582016
        
           | Tomte wrote:
           | Also see https://acoup.blog/2020/01/17/collections-the-
           | fremen-mirage-...
        
       | JackFr wrote:
       | The descriptions of the childe empower in the Forbidden City and
       | scheming civil servants remind me very much of "Titus Groan" and
       | "Gormenghast". I need to check this book out.
        
       | keepquestioning wrote:
       | How does this book compare to Guns, Germs and Steel?
        
         | whoisburbansky wrote:
         | What makes you think they are related?
        
       | meq1986 wrote:
       | Chineses version ,Mo Li Shi Wu Nian ,very famous in China. I
       | recommend anther book called Macro History of China, also written
       | by Huang.
        
       | sam_lowry_ wrote:
       | Reminds me of 1185 by Ihor Mozheiko that is still waiting for an
       | English translation.
        
       | bodhiandphysics wrote:
       | No significance!! 1587 is the year Kit Marlowe wrote Tamerlane
       | and Thomas Kyd wrote The Spanish Tragedy. Those two plays
       | revolutionized English drama and started off the Elizabethan
       | literary renaissance.
        
         | galleywest200 wrote:
         | Your response made me laugh, but the book is actually more
         | narrow than the post title suggests
         | 
         | > 1587, A Year of No Significance: The Ming Dynasty in Decline
        
       | hamiltonians wrote:
       | can someone tldr what made this year special or why this year was
       | chosen
        
         | j4nt4b wrote:
         | It's in the title - nothing special happens in this year. It is
         | just another year in the late Ming dynasty, still a long way
         | off from its eventual demise. But the author uses this moment
         | as a springboard to describe what the principals did in the
         | past and what they would end up doing in the future.
        
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