[HN Gopher] A bike tour of Dresden, the heart of Germany's semic... ___________________________________________________________________ A bike tour of Dresden, the heart of Germany's semiconductor industry Author : giuliomagnifico Score : 77 points Date : 2022-08-22 18:51 UTC (4 hours ago) (HTM) web link (innovationorigins.com) (TXT) w3m dump (innovationorigins.com) | phgn wrote: | AWS also has an office in Dresden that works on the EC2 | hypervisor! | robocat wrote: | I love the guy dumping a container of liquid down the drain in | the second photo. Edit: probably coffee from drip tray . . . | probably. | [deleted] | [deleted] | JesseMReeves wrote: | These are some of the worst photos you can show of Dresden. | | Try some image search instead. It's called ,,the Florence of the | Elbe river" for good reason. There are almost no big cities in | Germany today that are comparatively beautiful (Munster maybe, | but it's smaller). Some impressive art has been collected there. | [deleted] | robocat wrote: | This is geek++ tourism, which doesn't follow the typical | expectations for tourist photos. My idea of fun is visiting a | sewage treatment plant: preferably shown around by an engineer | that is excited by it all and shows you the wet wear. | | At the end of the article the writer says "let's not forget | that Dresden is also one of Germany's biggest attractions with | a beautifully renovated city center and surroundings which are | a sight to behold. Vineyards line the River Elbe, the porcelain | town of Meissen and the Saxon Switzerland National Park." | | ++ using the meaning of geek from last century, not the modern | pop culture version. | | Edited: minor changes. | jansan wrote: | IMO there is still a lot of untapped potential in the south | eastern German states Saxonia (the state where Dresden is | located) and Thuringia. Both states historically had gread, very | advanced industries and craftsmanship, which suffered a lot | during socialist times. There are still great people, but it | obviously takes a long time to catch up once the whole industry | lost its competitiveness due to a failed political system. | xxpor wrote: | The AfD support there is quite worrying. | blueflow wrote: | I'm sad for all the hate this place gets in the sibling posts. | | I live here and its not that bad, but i also know that i can't | just grab you from the internet and show you around the place | and its non-hateful sides. | blueflow wrote: | > which suffered a lot during socialist times | | The other way around, they were doing great (Robotron, Wismut, | Pentacon) until the reunification. Socialism somehow kept them | alive. | zatarc wrote: | No. Before WW2 "Mitteldeutschland" was an big and serious | industrial center. | AreYouSirius wrote: | They were doing great, YES, but that means if there were no | Russian influence, they would have industry on par with | Taiwan, now. | analognoise wrote: | I thought they were "kept alive" because they weren't | competing with Western devices; once the wall fell it was | pretty clear how far behind they were, and they were quickly | bought/dismantled as they weren't competitive. | | I couldn't find any good details/stories about them though, | or the industry during that time. I wonder if someone will | chime in with a good source, it sounds like an interesting | time to read about. | cryo wrote: | You may look up the already mentioned Robotron, or | Messelektronik. Further Zentrallaboratorium fur Rundfunk- | und Fernsehempfangstechnik (ZRF). The history of Manfred | von Ardenne is interesting as well (first electronic | television 1931, but also helping sowjet a-bomb). | jupp0r wrote: | On the other hand, there's also a deep suspicion towards | foreigners and some of the most right-wing sentiments you will | find anywhere in Germany. I literally witnessed some Indian- | American colleagues of mine being physically assaulted because | they had non-white skin color and were walking down the street. | This in combination with the already existing labor shortages | severely limit the region's potential. | | Source: I lived and worked in Dresden for a decade. | lnsru wrote: | I double on this. Colleague from Philippines was spited on in | Neustadt during normal walk in the evening. I had a car with | foreign plates for a while and it was scratched on both | sides. Coincidence? It was first and last time my car was | intentionally scratched. | tormeh wrote: | It's quite sad, but it is what it is. If you're not white you | shouldn't stay there for long. Particularly not at night or | whenever there's a football match. It's gotta be hard for | such a place to compete with more cosmopolitan regions, | particularly with Germany's demographics. If Dresden can't | attract immigrants then its semiconductor industry will have | to move elsewhere as ethnic Germans retire. | | EDIT: I don't mean to say you can't live there. It's not a | war zone. But it's a rough place. | eastendguy wrote: | This is big problem. Without (more) PoC living in this area, | nothing improves. | | But would I recommend a PoC friend to live in Dresden? Not | really, I would rather advise him to look for a job in Berlin | or Frankfurt. | [deleted] | mschuster91 wrote: | The problem with Eastern Germany and Dresden in particular is | that there is a _solid_ 20-25% voter block for outright | fascists, and the nominal "conservatives" and "free-market | liberals" often enough aren't better at all - way over half the | population is anything from hardcore Conservative to "would | love to see politicians on gallows"-Nazi. On top of that | Dresden has the only PEGIDA (bunch of Nazis that started | protesting against refugees in 2014/15) group that is still | running bi-weekly (the rest of 'em stopped over the years, with | Munich's only collapsing due to Covid), which was already seen | as a bad economic warn sign in 2016 [0], _and_ the Eastern | German states have the lowest vaccination rates by far. | | Eastern Germany has a lot of very nice places, but hell no I'd | never ever move there, especially not if you're a foreigner. | The risk of everyday violence against anything the far-right | percieves as "immigrant" is just too high. | | [0] https://www.br.de/nachricht/pegida-schadet-dresden-100.html | jansan wrote: | I have been living in East Germany for the last 15 years. My | wife is Bulgarian (is that "foreign" enough for you?) and she | never had any issues with anybody being anti-immigrant or | racist towards her. | martin_a wrote: | She's probably looking pretty normal/like a German, no | problems then. | tucosan wrote: | Lol. This comment is just oozing of naivete. | eastendguy wrote: | Nazis only care about skin color. You could be from Mars - | as long as you are white, all is ok. | chrisseaton wrote: | > Nazis only care about skin color. | | The Nazis were anti-semetic. Most German Jewish people | were white. | pvorb wrote: | Yep. I almost laughed when I read this sentence: | | > It is definitely not a punishment to live, work or study | here. | | It might indeed be not a punishment if you're white, but you | might be embarrassed about the political beliefs of your | neighbors. | tucosan wrote: | Believe me, even as a white person I would consider living | in Dresden a nightmare. | mathverse wrote: | The problem with this sentiment lies in West germany where | West germans always looked down on East germans. They were | slightly better than eastern europeans so to say. Well at | least they spoke german right? | | West germany sucked dry East germany of their young and | ambitious and used them for cheap labor. Well it was not | really that unexpected. | | You cant expect people to develop in all aspects as they have | vastly different experiences and probably had different | upbringing than you. | | Btw east germans are way less racist and xenophobic towards | their fellow Europeans from East Europe compared to West | Germans. | | Anecdotal evidence but i have seen it too many times to | dismiss it. | rndgermandude wrote: | Calling the AfD voter block "outright facists" is not | helpful. Yeah, there is sadly plenty of people in there | deserving of that description. And yeah, the danger the AfD | poses should not be downplayed, nor should the danger of | PEGIDA be downplayed. | | But study after study, survey after survey has shown that | most of the voter block of the AfD are not "outright | fascists" but people disillusioned by the establishment | parties who then fall prey to the the less extremist public | messaging the AfD likes to do. These people aren't fascists', | they aren't nazis, and constantly calling them names will | certainly not help, but drive them even more towards the AfD. | | So please, I implore you to tone down your hyperbole. Where | this kind of "basket of deplorables" rhetoric eventually | leads we can all watch with horror. | tucosan wrote: | Even as a native German I find Saxony and Thuringia two of the | most unattractive places in Germany. I would never ever | consider to relocate - even if I would find great job | opportunities (which don't really exists apart from a few | exceptions). Why: Dresden, Rostock, Halle etc. are the most | racist, culturally and intellectually backwards places in all | of Germany. We call the area around Dresden "the valley of the | clueless" for a reason. | blueflow wrote: | Its "the valley of the clueless" because west TV could not be | received for geographical reasons. | rurban wrote: | We still have a great and advanced industry and craftsmanship. | AreYouSirius wrote: | WHY ? Is that series called : "On the road with the 9 euro | ticket." ???? | | That is second most important thing in whole article after main | subject. Atleast should be for Americans. | giuliomagnifico wrote: | Oh sorry, here in Europe we know about this (great) initiative | by Germany to contrast the gas prices crisis | mqus wrote: | Isn't this explained in the very first paragraph? | | > In Germany this summer, you can travel on regional public | transport for 9 euros per month. Innovation Origins is seizing | this opportunity to visit a number of future-proof projects. In | this edition, we travel to Dresden. ___________________________________________________________________ (page generated 2022-08-22 23:00 UTC)