[HN Gopher] DOE to invest up to $165M to advance domestic geothe...
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       DOE to invest up to $165M to advance domestic geothermal energy
        
       Author : montalbano
       Score  : 55 points
       Date   : 2022-08-26 20:12 UTC (2 hours ago)
        
 (HTM) web link (www.energy.gov)
 (TXT) w3m dump (www.energy.gov)
        
       | 71a54xd wrote:
       | A prior boss of mine, one of the smartest guys I've ever worked
       | for devised a geothermal extraction apparatus (theoretical) back
       | when the Obama admin was flushing DOE with cash for grants. He
       | was attempting to tackle some of the common barriers to
       | "domestic" geothermal. The issue being it's hard to drill deep
       | enough to reach rock hot enough.
       | 
       | His geothermal patent can be seen here [0] - it's a novel
       | approach to vary the extent of power extracted from a geothermal
       | well, while preventing the necessity to acquire both water rights
       | AND mineral rights (commonly one of the biggest hurdles in
       | "residential" geothermal deployments). The root of the patent is
       | a novel means of "sealing" a geothermal well, providing
       | bidirectional flow to and from the well.
       | 
       | His background is pretty interesting - he was a construction
       | engineer by trade, but initially made his first fortune by
       | speculating and purchasing land use options on corn-fields in
       | Iowa. Turned out his guess was right, and DOE purchased some of
       | his land to grow corn for ethanol production.
       | 
       | [0] -
       | https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/20/12/43/9c15aaf...
        
       | tootie wrote:
       | I assume this is for commercial electricity generation and not
       | the trend of residential heating and cooling?
        
       | chiefalchemist wrote:
       | Why do I get the feeling that much of the $155M is going to end
       | up in the pockets of the oil and gas industry? When it would
       | better off invested in startups without the baggage, conflicts of
       | interest, tunnel vision, etc.?
        
         | ch4s3 wrote:
         | I wouldn't be surprised if well drilling companies end up being
         | able to do geothermal installs more cheaply than upstarts.
         | They're already drilling under some pretty extraordinary
         | circumstances.
         | 
         | But, I share the concerns about corporate welfare and capture.
        
       | ibatindev wrote:
       | Every time I read the word Geothermal I end up in the wikipedia
       | article: "Induced seismicity in Basel" within minutes.
        
         | ortusdux wrote:
         | Conversely: " Blowing off steam: How clean energy could
         | stabilize faults" https://temblor.net/earthquake-
         | insights/blowing-off-steam-ho...
         | 
         | A summary of this publication:
         | https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-03601-4
         | 
         | Seems like the perfect candidate for $165 million in DOE
         | research funding.
         | 
         | >The Geothermal Energy from Oil and Gas Demonstrated
         | Engineering (GEODE) initiative will provide $10 million to form
         | a consortium of experts to develop a roadmap for addressing
         | technology and knowledge gaps in geothermal energy, based on
         | best practices used within the oil and gas industry. DOE will
         | then use that roadmap to fund up to an additional $155 million
         | in research to address those gaps. This funding opportunity
         | supports President Biden's priorities to deploy clean energy
         | sources to combat climate change, strengthen our energy
         | independence, and create good-paying jobs.
        
         | orware wrote:
         | That wikipedia article certainly brings up some need for
         | pause/concern.
         | 
         | Recently, I heard about this relatively new company named
         | Quaise: https://newatlas.com/energy/quaise-deep-geothermal-
         | millimete...
         | 
         | And I thought that the technology seemed quite interesting, so
         | I hope the development of it can pan out since it seemed like
         | it would enable greater usage of geothermal energy around the
         | world, which seems to be mostly untapped at this time, and also
         | seemed like it might be able to address the seismic
         | issue/concern, although I'm not an expert on the topic so I
         | could be wrong there.
         | 
         | Geothermal is mainly a topic of interest for myself since there
         | are a few local plants in my own region but I hadn't really
         | realized that it is an underutilized power generation option
         | until I read the article on Quaise recently above.
        
           | achatham wrote:
           | I believe the seismic problems come from water flowing across
           | the bore hole and eventually destabilizing the ground (this
           | can happen with fracking). The Quaise approach basically
           | cauterizes the hole as it drills, so water can't flow across.
           | The water is more of a closed system.
        
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