[HN Gopher] Austrian ISPs Block Cloudflare IP addresses after ap...
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       Austrian ISPs Block Cloudflare IP addresses after apparent court
       order
        
       Author : the_mitsuhiko
       Score  : 255 points
       Date   : 2022-08-28 18:33 UTC (4 hours ago)
        
 (HTM) web link (netzsperre.liwest.at)
 (TXT) w3m dump (netzsperre.liwest.at)
        
       | the_mitsuhiko wrote:
       | Apparently a copyright holding company ("LSG - Wahrnehmung von
       | Leistungsschutzrechten GesmbH") managed to convince a court to
       | block IP addresses. Something which in this form wasn't done
       | before.
       | 
       | However since those are Cloudflare addresses there is a ton of
       | collateral damage.
        
         | johnklos wrote:
         | Which is exactly what Cloudflare wants and has planned all
         | along.
        
           | sp332 wrote:
           | It's pretty much how any CDN would work?
        
           | explaingarlic wrote:
           | So what that Cloudflare hides behind the fact that it serves
           | a large chunk of the internet?
           | 
           | It's a strategic fact that they use to their advantage, not
           | their ultimate evil goal to make your life worse eventually.
           | 
           | I think we're quite spoiled with how much we benefit from
           | their economy of scale.
        
             | [deleted]
        
             | xfitm3 wrote:
             | Safe harbor provisions are for this exact scenario, we must
             | depend on that not corp scale to maintain reasonable
             | governing. Safe harbor has come under attack lately,
             | unfairly so IMO.
        
               | zaroth wrote:
               | The safe harbor has to do with moderation policy.
               | 
               | The historical purpose of safe harbor was to allow AOL to
               | have a walled garden without become responsible for all
               | the illegal content that snuck past.
               | 
               | IANAL, but DMCA safe harbor doesn't really apply to a
               | companies like CloudFlare, nor is it needed, because they
               | are not moderating UGC on a publishing platform, they are
               | a routing optimization utility.
        
               | cyrix281 wrote:
               | Not sure where you saw that the DMCA safe harbor
               | provisions apply to moderation policy; It has everything
               | to do with Copyright and removal of copyrighted material;
               | nothing to do with moderation of UGC. It is directly in
               | the name "Digital Millenium Copyright Act".
               | 
               | Content moderation is covered by the CDA section 230;
               | completely separate from the DMCA
               | 
               | And it 100% should apply to Cloudflare as well; if
               | they're caching copyrighted material they need to respond
               | to takedown requests or lose that safe harbor protection.
               | Just as it applies to Google for indexing alleged
               | copyright material; if you've ever seen that "links
               | removed due to DMCA takedown notices" in search results,
               | even when they are not hosting said content.
               | 
               | IANAL also, and I don't know how much DMCA stuff is
               | handled cross borders (I do believe some DMCA provisions
               | are applicable thru trade treaties and the like, but not
               | sure); and I do think DMCA takedowns are rife with abuse;
               | but content moderation really has nothing to do with it..
        
             | robertlagrant wrote:
             | It's not hiding behind that fact. It just is a fact.
        
               | explaingarlic wrote:
               | I'm directly replying to:                 Which is
               | exactly what Cloudflare wants and has planned all along.
               | 
               | The idea that it's all planned and was a strategic bid to
               | get into a stable business position and so on...
        
               | johnklos wrote:
               | They've planned all along to mix bad hosting with good
               | hosting to make any attempts to block them, legal or
               | personal, cause plenty of collateral damage.
        
               | _flux wrote:
               | So to avoid this, how should they have done things
               | differently?
        
               | bayindirh wrote:
               | Maybe they should have confined "bad" hosting to some IPs
               | and disseminated this to countries directly?
               | 
               | P.S.: I'm not serious, of course.
        
               | CrazyStat wrote:
               | RFC 3514 would be helpful here.
        
               | bayindirh wrote:
               | Ah, yes. That's a much more elegant way.
        
         | hsbauauvhabzb wrote:
         | Does the order force blocking of the IP bound to a DNS address?
         | Could piracy sites change DNS A records to arbitrary IP
         | addresses to deny service to other sites?
        
           | twelvedogs wrote:
           | In the past the court hasn't specified how to block sites so
           | they're usually blocked at dns level, just point the DNS
           | record at one of the isp's ip addresses with a block message
           | 
           | If they really are having to block actual ips I would be
           | surprised
        
           | the_mitsuhiko wrote:
           | Unclear. I was unable to find the court order so I'm not sure
           | where it's coming from.
        
             | riedel wrote:
             | Seems that they just wanted to block some piracy sites like
             | newalbumreleases.net if you compare the dates and check the
             | IPs behind those domains. Wonder however if this actually
             | enforced because I think there is no IP block and no
             | reports from Austria about collateral damage (or am I wrong
             | and Austria cannot complain because they are cut of from
             | the internet)
             | 
             | Edit: btw, the domains added with date August 29 are
             | already blocked in Germany and some other EU countries for
             | a while: https://onlinefilter.info/cuii-dns-
             | sperre/newalbumreleasesne... .
        
               | riedel wrote:
               | The strange thing is that this order is still not
               | published (and has a date of tomorrow): https://www.rtr.a
               | t/TKP/aktuelles/entscheidungen/Uebersichtse...
        
           | luckylion wrote:
           | I'd be somewhat surprised if a court ordered something vague
           | like "block whatever IP that resolves to at any time in the
           | future", they'll either say "block these IPs" or "stop
           | resolving this domain", anything else would require constant
           | monitoring and continuous involvement of the target of the
           | order.
        
             | hakre wrote:
             | But wait, isn't Cloudflare exactly offering that as a
             | service?
        
         | xbar wrote:
         | auf Wiedersehen Osterreich
        
       | trasz wrote:
       | Not related to KiwiFarms by any chance? (From the downvotes I
       | infer that cesspool is somewhat popular.)
        
       | jacko0 wrote:
       | Works fine for me in the UK (M247), but when I use a German
       | (Telecom) connection or UK (Plusnet) they are blocked.
        
       | austinpena wrote:
       | Ironically, wouldn't using WARP by Cloudflare solve this?
        
       | [deleted]
        
       | Lacerda69 wrote:
       | Nice best of list of pirate services! A couple of those I didnt
       | know, how kind of them to provide this helpful overview.
        
         | musha68k wrote:
         | Pirate Streisand effect. Love it.
         | 
         | I'm just wondering about this as Austria historically has been
         | very lax about falling for demands of the intellectual
         | properties bullies.
         | 
         | Edit: I see it's mostly Austrian film makers (some great ones
         | in there to be fair) and Elsevier (yikes!) behind those
         | takedown attempts.
        
         | mmh0000 wrote:
         | The Piracy subreddit is one of the best sources for staying
         | abreast of current pirating options:
         | 
         | https://www.reddit.com/r/Piracy/
        
       | bakugo wrote:
       | This happens in my country as well. When I first noticed random
       | cloudflare IPs timing out, I didn't think too much about it and
       | assumed it was some routing issue, but then it happened again and
       | again so I did some searching and found some people on the same
       | ISP as me mentioning that it conveniently happens when big
       | football matches are on, and the dates did indeed line up. No,
       | that is not a joke.
        
         | CommitSyn wrote:
         | What country, if you care to share?
        
           | bakugo wrote:
           | I'd rather not share, but it's not russia.
        
           | coolspot wrote:
           | Russia. They also temporarily blocked large chunks of AWS IPs
           | back when they fought with Telegram.
           | 
           | https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/government/russia-
           | bans...
        
           | CraigRood wrote:
           | I will guess at the UK. Premier League have many court
           | ordered blocks on ISPs in place.
        
       | DarkmSparks wrote:
       | On the up side. Its only fair that Austria be put at an economic
       | and scientific disadvantage for once. Well, whoever signed this
       | off must have thought so anyway.
        
         | ChuckNorris89 wrote:
         | They're way ahead of you on that. Much like its bigger cousin
         | Germany, Austria is in general a dinosaur, technologically,
         | culturally and politically.
         | 
         | Low tech wages and archaic working practices, stuffy
         | bureaucracy, cash and physical paperwork needed for many
         | things, poorly developed, expensive and slow internet
         | infrastructure, corrupt and idiot politicians who don't
         | understand the modern technology sector, litigious politically
         | connected companies who sue anyone they don't like and lobby
         | for anti-consumer laws that only benefit their cartel, privacy
         | regulations taken to the extreme which mainly protect the
         | crooked and unlawful people and businesses from being known to
         | the public, etc.
         | 
         | This news isn't surprising to anyone familiar with Austria and
         | these intelectual property bullies from the list of companies
         | that got the Austrian court to block those IPs is just the tip
         | of a huge shitty iceberg in Austrian tech & politics.
        
           | fisf wrote:
           | Ha, I reckon you live there. The description is pretty
           | authentic.
        
           | cloutchaser wrote:
           | They're also like world no 8 in gdp per capita. I think
           | they'll be ok.
        
             | ChuckNorris89 wrote:
             | GDP per capita isn't the be-all and end-al of statistics
             | for defining a country's success. Just ask the residents of
             | the Republic of Ireland, the country with the second
             | highest GDP/capita in the EU, how they feel about this
             | position.
             | 
             | Sure, life is good here, _if_ , you're not a tech worker,
             | and that sector become more and more important in
             | generating wealth, skilled jobs with a future, attracting
             | skilled immigrants to pay taxes, and to project influence
             | and soft power globally, that's why so many smart but not
             | necessarily rich countries jumped to take advantage of this
             | new sector (China most famously).
             | 
             | So a high GDP per capita might not save you in the long run
             | if every ambitious tech graduate is leaving your country to
             | Switzerland, London, Germany, Ireland, SV, etc. for a
             | better environment where they can grow their career and
             | earn better salaries, which leads to most tech products and
             | web services used in your country all coming from abroad
             | because your domestic tech industry is shit since your
             | country got complacent and decided to sleep through the
             | tech revolution with the idea that you'll "be fine since
             | we're 8th GDP/capita in the world".
        
       | scottydelta wrote:
       | It's easier for Cloudflare to ban the sites causing this and
       | replace the affected IPs than to fight this in the court.
        
       | clever-leap wrote:
        
         | tomp wrote:
         | Not that different from the rest of Europe TBH.
         | 
         | Individual freedom, restrictions on government power, freedom
         | of speech... all these concepts are not prioritised by, and are
         | somewhat foreign to, Europeans
        
           | clever-leap wrote:
           | Yes, you are right. Austria is not alone in this behaviour.
        
           | malermeister wrote:
           | As a European, I find a lot of these to be euphemisms for
           | things that are actively harmful.
        
             | troad wrote:
             | > As a European, I find a lot of these to be euphemisms for
             | things that are actively harmful.
             | 
             | As a gay man, as the child of parents who grew up under
             | totalitarianism: I rather value those things.
        
       | meibo wrote:
       | This is very on-brand for the Austrian government, it somehow
       | manages to be even worse at these things than the German one.
       | 
       | Fun(and very disappointing) talk in German about their fuckups
       | during the pandemic: https://media.ccc.de/v/gpn20-12-die-
       | unterhaltsamsten-sterrei...
        
         | manmal wrote:
         | Courts act completely separate from the government actually, at
         | least in Austria.
        
       | dewey wrote:
       | It's nice that they give people a public list of interesting
       | websites in case they want to infringe on some copyrights.
        
         | ChuckNorris89 wrote:
         | Don't think it works like that.
         | 
         | The people who didn't know about these site before probably
         | didn't practice piracy at all anyway, so having this list of
         | blocked websites won't help them now anyway as they can't
         | access them easily now anyway.
         | 
         | So IMHO these blocks mainly work at stopping Average Joes from
         | accessing low-friction, low hanging fruit piracy and annoying
         | them enough that they'd rather give Netflix 12 Euros than learn
         | how to bypass these annoying restrictions.
        
           | dewey wrote:
           | You are probably right, it's just funny that there's a public
           | list saying ,,don't go there" which kinda acts like a
           | ,,forbidden books" list making it more interesting.
        
             | ChuckNorris89 wrote:
             | For broke kids with more free time than money, yeah
             | learning to access forbidden pirate sites is cool and
             | interesting, but since Austria is a relatively high income
             | country, most people I know here don't bother with piracy
             | at all and just pay for content anyway.
             | 
             | So blocks like these will definitely discourage more
             | Average Joes from low hanging fruit piracy and keep them as
             | law-abiding paying customers rather than turning them into
             | "hackers".
        
               | manmal wrote:
               | Weird, I'm from AT as well and I know people from every
               | income bracket who pirate content. Except for elderly
               | people, currently.
        
               | dewey wrote:
               | It was a joke, don't take it so seriously...
               | 
               | But as an Austrian myself, piracy was alive and well when
               | I was in the age group where that usually happens and
               | many "regular" people used free streaming sites when
               | kino.to and others were still popular.
        
       | zagrebian wrote:
       | That website doesn't have HTTPS.
        
         | josteink wrote:
         | Good plan. Then he won't need cloudflare to put a HTTPS proxy
         | in front of it and get blocked.
        
       | [deleted]
        
       | alberth wrote:
       | Australia has been problematic for Cloudflare for 5+ years now.
       | [0]
       | 
       | Bandwidth is prohibitive expensive there, and as such -
       | Cloudflare has routed around Australia resulting in much higher
       | latencies.
       | 
       | Australia has pushed for tech companies to install back doors
       | into user data. [1]
       | 
       | Now this.
       | 
       | [0] https://medium.com/@SimonEast/the-declining-value-of-
       | cloudfl...
       | 
       | [1] https://www.accessnow.org/closing-backdoor-australia/
       | 
       | EDIT. I have to laugh at myself. I misread this as "Australia",
       | not "Austria". Doh.
        
         | chinathrow wrote:
         | Article is about Austria.
        
           | Dylan16807 wrote:
           | There's an article? I see a list of blocks with no
           | commentary.
        
         | [deleted]
        
         | mixologic wrote:
         | The headline is about Austria, not Australia.
        
         | [deleted]
        
         | [deleted]
        
         | [deleted]
        
         | croes wrote:
         | Just to be sure, you do realize this is about Austria not
         | Australia?
        
           | marginalia_nu wrote:
           | Austria, Australia; Sweden, Switzerland; and worst of all
           | Colombia, The District of Columbia (which isn't a district
           | but a state), British Columbia (which isn't in Britain), also
           | a small Australian Columbia (which is actually in Australia).
           | 
           | I feel we need to get someone on clearing up this mess of
           | confusingly named localities.
        
           | alberth wrote:
           | Lol. My mistake. Thanks for pointing that out to me. I just
           | updated my post. Whoops.
        
             | quickthrower2 wrote:
             | Made the same mistake at first (using old glasses
             | prescription is my excuse...). Felt like an Aussie
             | government kinda thing to do as well, so it made sense. On
             | second thoughts they probably wouldn't need the court order
             | ha ha.
        
       | zerof1l wrote:
       | Did a check with the Austiran VPN server. The block must be on
       | DNS level only. Using google servers as DNS, for example, will
       | bypass all of these blocks. Or you can run your own DNS server
       | like Unbound.
        
       | mmh0000 wrote:
       | Long ago, I used to have my favorite pirate sites bookmarked and
       | sometimes the IPs saved. Now, Yandex, is the great piracy search
       | engine. Just type in what you want, and in what format you want
       | it in, and it'll usually show up within the first 10 results. For
       | example:
       | 
       | https://yandex.com/search/?msid=1661717771857485-52510224241...
        
         | godmode2019 wrote:
         | Please stop, you are letting the secret out. If too many people
         | know yandex will start filtering the results.
        
         | ahmed_ds wrote:
         | Yandex is a pretty good search engine. Yandex is essentially
         | what people think DuckDuckGo is, on the other hand DuckDuckGo
         | is essentially is just Bing.
        
           | prox wrote:
           | Isn't Yandex completely Russian? I usually get Yandex with my
           | malware as well.
        
             | ipaddr wrote:
             | .ru is but .com the other is european based.
        
           | zamadatix wrote:
           | My impression was most use DuckDuckGo for privacy reasons so
           | it's a bit surprising to read Yandex is supposed to be what
           | people think DuckDuckGo is. Also DuckDuckGo sources from far
           | more than just Bing and it does have its own crawler as well.
           | 
           | My understanding of Yandex was that it's just another user-
           | information-is-primary-income search provider this time HQ'd
           | in Russia, neither of which exactly appealing to the typical
           | DDG crowd.
           | 
           | Though I'd throw Kagi out to anyone who puts a lot of weight
           | on such things as being a more pure example than either.
        
             | thrown_22 wrote:
             | >My understanding of Yandex was that it's just another
             | user-information-is-primary-income search provider this
             | time HQ'd in Russia, neither of which exactly appealing to
             | the typical DDG crowd.
             | 
             | A Russian company having my data given the current state of
             | relations between it and my government is less worrisome
             | than Google having the same.
        
               | z3c0 wrote:
               | _Your_ data is useless, no matter where it is. Data on
               | the collective of American citizens, however, is not.
        
             | mrgalaxy wrote:
             | > Also DuckDuckGo sources from far more than just Bing and
             | it does have its own crawler as well.
             | 
             | Do you have a source for this? I'd be interested in reading
             | the technicals of merging search results from multiple
             | sources.
        
               | zozbot234 wrote:
               | They do use their crawler to source some "smart" results,
               | but the bulk of ordinary results seems to be from Bing.
        
               | zamadatix wrote:
               | When I was looking into it I only found a few high level
               | things like https://help.duckduckgo.com/duckduckgo-help-
               | pages/results/so.... Nothing on how the sausage is made
               | unfortunately. Same for Kagi which takes a similar
               | layered approach (though anecdotally it seemed a bit more
               | spread across backend sources).
        
         | syntaxing wrote:
         | This is an awesome pro tip. The results reminds me of the early
         | 2010 google results.
        
         | coolspot wrote:
         | For most things you can skip Yandex and go directly to the
         | rutracker which would be the top result for most things anyway.
        
         | desindol wrote:
         | Just google and use site:vk.ru
        
           | WillPostForFood wrote:
           | At least in the US, google indexes: site:vk.com
        
           | manmal wrote:
           | That yields no results and the hint ,,Some results may have
           | been removed under data protection law in Europe." for me.
        
             | WillPostForFood wrote:
             | try site:vk.com
        
       | ricardobayes wrote:
       | No HTTPS, no party.
        
         | nouryqt wrote:
         | https://archive.ph/yByeX
        
         | tsimionescu wrote:
         | What do you think HTTPS has to do with IP blocking by your ISP?
        
           | alborzb wrote:
           | It's possibly that the commenter is reffering to OP's link
           | not being HTTPS?
        
             | tsimionescu wrote:
             | I hadn't notice that, perhaps you're right.
        
             | ricardobayes wrote:
             | yup
        
       | 8191 wrote:
       | Seems to be a specific action/order by mentioned ISP. Using the
       | biggest ISP in Austria (A1) still allows access to listed IPs.
        
         | the_mitsuhiko wrote:
         | I see failures on Magenta, A1 (in parts), Liwest and Drei. It's
         | not constantly blocked which is why I think they didn't fully
         | roll it out yet.
         | 
         | Also failures won't happen if you have an IPv6 connection and
         | it can connect that way.
        
       | hsbauauvhabzb wrote:
       | I live in a country that has also blocked piracy but at the DNS
       | level (Australia, not Austria).
       | 
       | I suspect that most anti piracy groups are now moving to long
       | game by increasing the difficulty in getting to piracy websites
       | rather than blocking them. I remember significantly more seeds on
       | popular torrents in 2014 compared to now. I think this is a mix
       | of streaming services as well as complexity of piracy.
       | 
       | I do take solice in the fact that piracy will act as a disruptor
       | in unruly markets. Advertisement breaks in streaming platforms,
       | increased cost per service or service fragmentation and other
       | user hostile activities will increase the rate of piracy,
       | creating a balance between good and unscrupulous.
        
         | mabbo wrote:
         | > but at the DNS level
         | 
         | Isn't this a bit like taking the phone numbers out of the phone
         | book? Sure, people can't easily look them up, but if you _know
         | the right numbers_ , you don't need that.
         | 
         | Or is there more than that?
        
           | lormayna wrote:
           | Several ISP have appliances that can inspect DNS traffic and
           | redirect to a the ISP DNS. Then, even if you change DNS
           | servers, you will be not able to reach blocked sites. The
           | only way to bypass that, at the moment is to use DoH.
           | 
           | Source: I have been worked for an ISP and I was in charge of
           | that.
        
             | Ayesh wrote:
             | There was some real shit going on with some Indonesian ISPs
             | downright blocking connections to known public DNS
             | resolvers (8.8.8.8, 1.1.1.1, etc). Dangerously close to the
             | China-level firewalls that block known VPNs as well.
        
             | politelemon wrote:
             | > Then, even if you change DNS servers, you will be not
             | able to reach blocked sites.
             | 
             | Is this done simply by intercepting UDP port 53 requests
             | somehow? I've only ever had to intercept https as part of
             | development, but have no idea how this would work for UDP.
             | Any details you can share?
        
               | NavinF wrote:
               | Yep that's exactly how it works. Not all ISPs actively
               | intercept and reply to your queries, but the rest still
               | monitor all port 53 traffic and log your queries.
               | 
               | Naturally, a lot of HNers hate encrypted DoH which solves
               | both the active MITM and passive monitoring problems.
               | Example: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25344358
        
               | folmar wrote:
               | We just prefer the small local ISP monitoring our queries
               | to Google and Cloudflare doing so, as the ISP does not
               | learn a lot more than already at hand - they know the IPs
               | I connect to anyway.
        
               | derkades wrote:
               | Simply direct all outbound DNS traffic to your own DNS
               | server. You could do the same for your LAN by adding a
               | port forward rule in your router (for LAN, not for WAN
               | like you usually would to get incoming traffic around
               | NAT)
        
             | brian_cunnie wrote:
             | My mother's cable provider, Optimum Cable, routes DNS
             | traffic to their own DNS servers.
             | 
             | To make matters worse, they engage in gratuitous blocking;
             | for example, they won't resolve addresses of private
             | networks (192.168.x.y, 10.x.y.z, etc...). For example,
             | 192.168.1.1.nip.io won't resolve on my mom's network, but
             | will almost everywhere else.
             | 
             | The solution, as another poster pointed out, was to use
             | DNS-over-TLS.
        
               | cesarb wrote:
               | > for example, they won't resolve addresses of private
               | networks (192.168.x.y, 10.x.y.z, etc...)
               | 
               | That's called "DNS rebinding protection", and it's meant
               | to protect against DNS rebind attacks
               | (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNS_rebinding).
        
             | eknkc wrote:
             | Dns over TLS has been a life saver due to this shit. I've
             | my modem exposing its own dns server but using a dns over
             | tls upstream instead of my ISP. Works perfectly.
        
             | mabbo wrote:
             | Could I not just put the IP address in my url bar? Or do
             | browsers go through DNS with that anyway?
        
               | cortesoft wrote:
               | That usually won't work. If a site uses SNI and has many
               | sites behind a single IP (like cloudflare, for example),
               | the server won't know which host's content to respond
               | with.
               | 
               | If it isn't a shared IP, your own browser will block it
               | because of a cert mismatch.
               | 
               | The best way to do this is to update your own /etc/hosts
               | file to point the domain at the correct IP.
        
           | gsich wrote:
           | It's supposed to be a measure against technically non-savy
           | people. It might work since a lot of people are not aware of
           | DNS.
        
           | twelvedogs wrote:
           | Yeah no one really cares that it's not super effective in
           | Australia though.
           | 
           | the courts order blocks, the ISPs block it at dns because
           | it's cheap and easy and pirates are either scared off by the
           | warning message or just use Google dns
           | 
           | It's good enough and mostly non disruptive
        
           | Yujf wrote:
           | Dns blocking is exactly like that. I don't live australia,
           | but if I go to the piratebay for example with my isp dns I
           | get a message it's blocked. If I change to google or
           | cloudflare dns it works just fine
        
       | quickthrower2 wrote:
       | Malwarebytes won't let me near any of them. Take from that what
       | you will (they are genuinely harmful, or someone wants them
       | blocked, or a bit of both?)
        
       | [deleted]
        
       | scarfolk wrote:
       | My ISP is Plusnet (a subsiduary of British Telecom) and half of
       | those IPs resolve to http://www.ukispcourtorders.co.uk.
       | 
       | I don't know whether the DNS is being resolved first, but in the
       | url it's listing the IP:
       | http://www.ukispcourtorders.co.uk/?JNI_URL=104.21.36.27/&JNI...
       | ...
       | 
       | My DNS is Quad9 over TLS.
        
       | [deleted]
        
       | whiterock wrote:
       | Hmm, I am a LIWEST customer myself, but libgen.is is not blocked
       | for me - so are they really blocking IP adresses? I am using
       | 1.1.1.1 as my DNS.
       | 
       | Edit: Okay i tried a few links now - many show a ,,this domain is
       | for sale" page, while some work - so I dunno what to do with
       | that...
        
         | Akronymus wrote:
         | Energie AG here, nothing seems blocked for me.
        
         | the_mitsuhiko wrote:
         | The IP addresses on the bottom of the list are blocked. For
         | instance you can check a host which only has a single blocked
         | IP on and you won't be able to navigate to it. For instance
         | preis-zone.com or www.skodacommunity.de are fully unavailable
         | right now since both the IPs on that domain are blocked
         | (188.114.96.12 and 188.114.97.12) when resolved from Austria.
         | 
         | Some cloudflare worker page are also not loading correctly. A
         | reply I got on twitter pointed out that you cannot load
         | urbanarrow.com from Austria properly (for me it gets stuck
         | after language selection).
         | 
         | Also you are more likely to see failures if you are only using
         | IPv4 as some hosts also answer to IPv6.
        
       | ARandomerDude wrote:
       | If the comments here are correct, the Austrians told Cloudflare
       | "you'll go a-waltzing matilda with me." Or however you say that
       | in German. Mate.
        
       | raffraffraff wrote:
       | Wow. Are they basically turning off a large chunk of the internet
       | for Austria?
       | 
       | *Fixed
        
         | whiterock wrote:
         | the other Australia, the one in Europe, you know Freud, Mozart,
         | Schwarzenegger, Hitler, that Austria.
        
           | moomin wrote:
           | Don't forget Arnold Schoenberg and the Von Trapp Family
           | Singers.
        
             | mkurz wrote:
             | Also Johann Holzl, better known as Falco. And of course
             | Josef Mayrhoff, better known as Josef Fritzl... (He changed
             | his name in Prison)
        
         | reichardt wrote:
         | Austria--Schnitzel not kangaroo.
        
           | wizofaus wrote:
           | The two aren't at all mutually exclusive, just so you know!
        
             | mabbo wrote:
             | Kangaroo schnitzel sounds intriguing but gamey.
        
               | wizofaus wrote:
               | No more than venison schnitzel. Lots of good recipes
               | online.
        
               | wizofaus wrote:
               | And now that we're already totally off topic...does
               | "gamey" actually mean anything other "having flavour that
               | we're not inured to or been watered down to lowest-common
               | denominator tastes?"
        
               | trasz wrote:
               | Perhaps, but there are many methods to make meat less
               | gamey, and I suspect most of them was invented before the
               | current blandness set in, which suggests it wasn't
               | welcome in the old days either.
        
               | wizofaus wrote:
               | Supposedly it's related to iron content.
               | 
               | But I'm baffled at the Oxford definition returned by
               | Google: "having the strong flavour or smell of game,
               | especially when it is high". There are very similar
               | definitions that use "tainted" or even "spoiled" instead
               | of "high". I think I'd rather my roo steak tasting of
               | marijuana than of rotten flesh.
        
           | rr808 wrote:
           | Lets put another shrimp on the bar-b.
           | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hOLm_k6eCs
        
           | reaperducer wrote:
           | The last time I was in Austria, all of the tourist shops had
           | t-shirts with one of those Australian kangaroo crossing signs
           | on it and the text "No kangaroos in Austria."
        
             | fit2rule wrote:
        
             | whiterock wrote:
             | we have to. our country is confused for Australia so often,
             | we just HAVE TO sell these shirts.
        
               | manmal wrote:
               | Yes. Not only once did shops in the US ship my stuff to
               | Australia instead of Austria.
        
         | mig39 wrote:
         | Austria.
        
         | [deleted]
        
         | rvz wrote:
         | Austria. Not Australia.
        
       | trompetenaccoun wrote:
       | Sci-hub and LibGen blocked for Elsevier. So that only people able
       | to pay hundreds of dollars have access tho scientific papers and
       | books.
       | 
       | Stay classy, "free" societies.
        
         | manmal wrote:
         | Fortunately some Scihub domains are not blocked in Austria, you
         | just gotta try some.
        
       | raverbashing wrote:
       | It seems it's blocking the domains, not the IPs, so I guess it's
       | more at DNS level
        
         | the_mitsuhiko wrote:
         | They used to do DNS blocking for years which you could easily
         | bypass by using a different DNS provider. Today they added IP
         | addresses (see bottom of the list).
        
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