[HN Gopher] Show HN: EthicalAds - Privacy-first ad network for d... ___________________________________________________________________ Show HN: EthicalAds - Privacy-first ad network for developers (More info posted in a comment below: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32651107) Author : ericholscher Score : 131 points Date : 2022-08-30 14:24 UTC (8 hours ago) (HTM) web link (www.ethicalads.io) (TXT) w3m dump (www.ethicalads.io) | tintedfireglass wrote: | No site can escape the clutches of the deadly HN Hug Of Death x_x | ericholscher wrote: | Seems up to me? | https://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/ethicalads.io | matt-p wrote: | Love this idea, but Wow.. those are some crazy CPM numbers. Would | it not be a better idea to shoot for CPC? | ericholscher wrote: | Crazy how? In the past we have done some CPC campaigns, but it | leaves the risk of a poorly performing ad on us, instead of the | advertiser. With CPM, we make the same amount for our | inventory, but advertisers with great ads benefit with a higher | CTR and lower CPC. | legitster wrote: | Professional marketing person here. | | I think this is pretty neat! I would definitely consider chucking | a few dollars into something like this. Especially since it has a | nice, niche target audience. | | My concerns: | | - These are pretty spendy for CPM ads, and we almost never do CPM | because of low historic RoI. | | - We're not going to spend any money on any advertising unless we | can approximate how much business it brings us. For digital, that | means we need something like UTM. And if we are using UTM, we are | basically getting the exact same information Google would be | giving us. And we would still get complaints from developers. So | not sure what tangible difference it would bring us. | | - Developers (technical people) are a pretty lousy group to | advertise to. They make the cheapest, whiniest customers | (sorry!). But if I had a niche product, this could certainly be | very appealing. | [deleted] | ericholscher wrote: | Thanks for the kind words (and being real with some of the | unkind words :D). | | To answer your questions: | | * CPM ads work well for us, because we make a set amount, and | places the burden of having good targeting & ads on the buyer. | With CPC, a crappy ad just gets lots of views without paying us | anything for them, which is a bad incentive. Lots of companies | have found success with our ads, so they must have good ROI for | them, but it does require a somewhat high LTV and good ads that | people click. | | * You can use UTM codes on the ad clicks. We don't track users | on our side, but once a user clicks an ad, all bets are off. We | mention specifically using UTM codes in our FAQ: | https://www.ethicalads.io/advertisers/faq/#where-do-the-ads-... | | * Well, can't do much about that one :) | legitster wrote: | I think that's a fair enough point. And it's not like | Google's display advertisement network is a stellar option to | begin with, so this could certainly be worth the money in | comparison there. | | BUT.... the lion's share of our digital advertising budget | goes to CPC - it's just easier to shell out 8k a month ahead | of time when we roughly know what it will get us. In the | interest of not leaving money on the table, I am sure you | guys will eventually pursue CPC options as you scale up. | digitallyfree wrote: | Adding to the third point developers are technical people and | many have adblockers set up in their browsers (at least | that's what I see in industry). I wonder if many developers | will even notice the ads provided by this service. | legitster wrote: | Their advertiser FAQ mentions they don't charge for ads | that don't load. | [deleted] | benjaminjosephw wrote: | > To comply with DNT, we pledge to delete user personal | information such as IP addresses in server logs after no more | than 10 days. We do this regardless of whether you set the DNT | flag in your browser or not. | | EthicalAds does not comply with the intent of a user who sends a | DNT request. It's not obliged to, but it's a bit disingenuous to | claim that the request has been honoured in some way. | davidfischer wrote: | Can you give a few more details of what you mean? | | It's true that Do Not Track (DNT) is not a true standard in | terms of implementation and intent and different folks mean | different things when setting the DNT flag. However, when | building DNT for EthicalAds and for Read the Docs, we followed | the EFF's implementation guide for DNT[1]. This means a number | things including: | | * We do not store personally identifying information when users | are merely browsing a site with our ads. | | * We rotate our logs in less than 10 days | | * We do not set cookies on ad requests. We also don't use some | non-cookie alternative. Obviously for publishers or | advertisers, logging into our backend requires a login cookie. | | [1]: https://github.com/EFForg/dnt-guide | cunidev wrote: | Have been using this network for 6+ (?) months now on my blog | [1], and I've been amazed. The current CPM is well higher than | what Google AdSense used to give (at least many years ago), the | ads are non-intrusive and of great quality in the tech niche | (rather than the sadly common scammy banners from major | networks), and it does not spy my visitors, which for me is an | absolute priority. | | [1] won't spam since it's unrelated, but my profile page contains | the link if you want to see a simple placement | slugiscool99 wrote: | $2 cpm (https://www.ethicalads.io/publishers/faq/#how-much- | will-i-ma...) is not higher than adsense, especially for a high | value audience like US developers. We were seeing ~$5-$8 cpms | on adsense for a much less affluent demographic on our site. | | Totally support this and am rooting for alternative ad networks | - especially ones like this. However I think it's fair to | acknowledge that without tracking it's inevitable that you'll | have less value to provide to advertisers. We can't have our | cake and eat it too. | ericholscher wrote: | We definitely get a lot more than that for US developers | (pricing here: | https://www.ethicalads.io/advertisers/#pricing). The CPM is | averaged across all the traffic in the network, as most sites | have traffic from eg. Poland, as well as the US, and the | average ends up quite a bit lower. | | We also want to underpromise and overdeliver, so we generally | keep our published numbers on the conservative side. | ipaddr wrote: | Your site missing key piece sof information. Pricing.. what | amount/percentage does a publisher get? What does running an ad | cost? What are your maximum daily traffic numbers if I ran an ad? | How do you payout? An faq would be helpful | ericholscher wrote: | We have lots of that info on other pages: | | Pricing: https://www.ethicalads.io/advertisers/#pricing | | Publisher page: https://www.ethicalads.io/publishers/ | | Publisher FAQ: https://www.ethicalads.io/publishers/faq/ | tech234a wrote: | Interesting concept. A couple questions: | | Do you plan on expanding your audience beyond developers to other | users such as, for example, the slightly more general group of | those who are technologically-adept but aren't necessarily | developers? | | Do you have other options for targeting ads other than page | content? For example, some web apps may display private user | information in the web page and would not want to send the page | content to the ad server. Perhaps it would be possible to target | based on a general list of keywords that are known to be related | to the site? | | Would it be possible to run the ad script in a sandbox iframe to | ensure the server doesn't get access to page content? (I see in | other comments that you mention server-side rendering but that | wouldn't work for a static client-side web app.) | ericholscher wrote: | Thanks :) | | We don't currently plan to expand our audience. There's still a | lot of growth in the dev market we're hoping to achieve. That | said, we are looking at selling our product as a SaaS for other | folks (https://www.ethicalads.io/sponsorship-platform/) -- | which could target any market they wanted. | | We do allow our publishers to set keywords on the inbound | traffic, as well as our own ML (https://ethical-ad- | client.readthedocs.io/en/latest/#configur... data-ea-keywords | here). The content of the site isn't send to our servers for ML | -- we crawl the sites, so private content stays private. | | You could run it in a sandbox, but I question the use case of | highly private content having ads on it. That's going to be | harder for us to verify your traffic, and look a lot like | fraud, but we might be willing to give it a try. We'd keep it | on the network if our advertisers see good results with it. | tech234a wrote: | Thank you for the explanation! | ericholscher wrote: | Hi HN! | | We've been working on our ad network for a couple years, but we | just launched the 1.0 of our open source code, so it seems like a | great time to do a Show HN! We have more info on our 1.0 post | here: https://www.ethicalads.io/blog/2022/08/going-v10-the- | backsto... | | A few years back, we were building Read the Docs, a documentation | platform for open source. We had millions of monthly visitors and | the obvious way to monetize was ads. However, we cared about the | privacy of our visitors and we didn't want ad companies to track | our users around the web. We went to a few ad networks and asked | if we could proxy the ad traffic or even just run ads without | cookies. They weren't willing to do what we wanted, so we built | our own ad network. | | We decided to build a privacy-first ad network. We don't use any | cookies, and target ads based on content. The code is all open | source (https://github.com/readthedocs/ethical-ad-server), and | we're slowly working to help fund open source projects. We only | show developer-related ads on developer sites. No ads about a | product whose site you visited last week and nothing off topic. | | Next, we built a crawler that indexes the sites on our network to | help target our ads. Using an ML classifier (built with SpaCy), | it can tell if a page is about data science or about full stack | development. This allows advertisers to target the niche they are | focused on and ensure the ads perform well, without doing any | user tracking. | | We're pretty excited about the future ability of our ML to | improve ad targeting without any information about the user. The | coolest thing is that our business gets better as we understand | the content we're serving ads on better, instead of "learning" | more about our users by harvesting more data about them. | | We've been a true network beyond just ads on Read the Docs for a | couple years and we now have ~130 publishers. We gross just under | $60k per month in ad revenue of which 70% goes to publishers. | Most of our publishers are small sites or open source projects so | to send them ~$40k/mo feels great. | | Do you have a developer site that you're looking to monetize? Or | are you an advertiser trying to reach developers? Or are you just | curious about privacy and advertising? Happy to answer any | questions! | | (If you just want to play around with our ad client, you can try | it out here: https://jsbin.com/roniviv/edit?html,output -- docs | here: https://ethical-ad-client.readthedocs.io/en/latest/) | webmobdev wrote: | If your ad doesn't run any javascript code, doesn't place any | cookie, doesn't do any kind of tracking, and is relevant to the | content many wouldn't mind unblocking it in their adblocker. | Especially if it is served from the same domain host the | content is on. What kind of ads you serve also matter - small | text ads (like Google Adsense / Adwords ads used to be a decade | or two ago) was actually interesting when it was relevant to | the subject content. Tiny tidbits of text are easy to scan and | read or skip. I can also somewhat tolerate still-image banner | ads as long as it is a few kbs lightweight and doesn't draw too | much attention to itself. I absolutely abhor animated gifs, | video, pop-up etc. ads of any kind. "Interrupt ads" (those | placed in between the content) are also very irritating. | ericholscher wrote: | Thanks -- We actually maintain an exclude list of OSS ads | that you can use with your ad blocker of choice: https://ads- | for-open-source.readthedocs.io/en/latest/index.h... | | Of note, we do run _our own_ javascript client on the pages. | Our users can opt into hitting our backend API instead of | running JS code, but many just use our client directly. | | We currently serve the ads on our own domain. We could | implement the ability for our publishers to proxy the ad | views to our domain (this is generally called "ad cloaking"), | but it hasn't felt like the right thing to do. | | We are also on the Acceptable Ads non-tracking list, so our | domains are unblocked for people who choose that in their ad | blocker. If we use a publishers domain, they will be | unblocked for some period of time, but then _their_ domain | gets added to the ad blockers, and we lose this Acceptable | Ads traffic. | webmobdev wrote: | I feel ad proxying and server side rendering would be a | better fit for the brand identity you are trying to create. | Why does one need javascript to serve some text or image, | along side some content? One of the common reasons for | blocking ads is they slowdown websites by using more | resources and thus also reduce battery life. It also | introduces another barrier to trust you more - how do I | know that the Javascript code is not doing something | unwanted (like browser fingerprinting, introducing some | annoying animation etc.) - after all, it would be a pain to | keep reviewing your javascript code and would be easier to | just block it. | ericholscher wrote: | We do support publishers using an API directly, and | running none of our code. | | Our ad client is also open source, and pretty simple: | https://github.com/readthedocs/ethical-ad-client -- we | have publishers who use a published version with | Subresource Integrity, but you can also just host the JS | yourself if you want. | gbtw wrote: | There is no such thing as ethical ad. Why would anyone leave | money on the table and not do scummy / google / facebook ads. Not | like anything is stopping them unless the ad industry gets killed | by law. | hedora wrote: | Studies show that non-tracking ads pull in 96% as much revenue | per impression as tracker-based ads. | | Is the 4% boost really worth chasing away users, adding cookie | popups, etc? Also, it's possible for users to unblock non- | tracking ad networks. If 4% of your audience does that, then | you end up making more from them. | | Finally, with ads that target content, any extra revenue due to | premium audiences goes to the content publisher. For ads that | target end users, the premium goes to the ad network. | | If you're placing user-targeted ads on anything but bottom-tier | content, then you are squandering your monopoly access to your | readership. That's why this ad network specializes in just | developer sites -- some advertisers will pay a premium to reach | developers. Others will pay a premium simply to avoid being | displayed next to toenail fungus and celebrity wardrobe | failures. | bogwog wrote: | > Why would anyone leave money on the table and not do scummy / | google / facebook ads | | If ethical ads do a better job of reaching developers, you | would be leaving money on the table by not using them. | | Supply and demand applies, as usual. Companies selling dev | services want more effective ad campaigns, ethical ads are less | likely to be blocked/ignored by their target demographic, thus | demand for ethical ads goes up. The supply of websites/apps | running ethical ads is relatively low, so that means the | payouts of those ads are higher. | | So in the end, running ethical ads on your dev-oriented website | could make more money than google/facebook ads, advertisers | could get more return on their investment, and end-users | benefit from ethical and less-intrusive advertising (although | that might not last forever once the MBAs are brought in to | chase growth) | ericholscher wrote: | Love this reply! Hopefully we can make the real world act | like that idealized version in your post :) | aliqot wrote: | The quality of ethical vs non-ethical is not a binary state, | it's a transient descriptor. That which was not evil will | either fail or grow large enough to become evil. There are no | known exceptions to this. | [deleted] | ericholscher wrote: | I definitely appreciate the negative view of ads. I had some | similar internal conflict around building on ads, but it was | the only way for us to sustain the project we worked on.. | | Read the Docs was a huge part of the open source community, but | all the other ways we tried to fund it didn't work. I posted | about this at the time, and still think it makes a good | argument for why we should be investing to fund open source | infrastructure with marketing money, not just engineering | budget: | | https://www.ericholscher.com/blog/2016/aug/31/funding-oss-ma... | | We are also experimenting with an option for showing | sponsorships, instead of paid ads. This works well for non- | profits, and could layer on top of Open Collective or GitHub | Sponsors. We're working with the Python Software Foundation to | power their "sponsored by" messaging, which is another option | other than "paid ads" | | https://www.ethicalads.io/sponsorship-platform/ | williamtrask wrote: | If the ads didn't change what you showed based on the price | and instead charged a fixed price ti be in the list (and | still be ranked by what's best) then I think you can call it | ethical. | | That is to say, helping people find the best product is | ethical. Helping them find whichever product has the biggest | marketing budget less so. | permo-w wrote: | I agree that there is no such thing as an ethical ad, but not | for this reason. an advert in and of itself is an outside actor | trying to implant information in your head, by and large | without your consent, by and large using manipulative | psychological techniques. this, to me, is unethical | pugio wrote: | It sounds like we have a very different idea of what "ethical" | means. In answer to your question about "what's stopping them?" | - well, just that: ethics, morals, the desire to act decently | even when there might be some additional benefit to being | sleazy. | | Waiting for a law to prohibit immoral behavior doesn't seem | like a sustainable way for a society to function, even though | it does seem to be the way we're trending. | permo-w wrote: | >It sounds like we have a very different idea of what | "ethical" means. In answer to your question about "what's | stopping them?" - well, just that: ethics, morals, the desire | to act decently even when there might be some additional | benefit to being sleazy | | for some private companies, sure. but the second a company | goes public, all of this completely goes out of the window. | the only time a publicly traded company acts ethically is | when it thinks its public image (read: stock price) will be | harmed by acting otherwise | | >Waiting for a law to prohibit immoral behavior doesn't seem | like a sustainable way for a society to function, even though | it does seem to be the way we're trending | | as far as I've seen - i.e. the rise and dominance of free- | market economics - we're trending and have been trending | since the 70s, in the opposite direction. | | creating laws to prohibit harmful behaviour isn't some kind | of crazy unsustainable new invention, it is just the basis of | how societies maintain themselves. it's convenient for | corporations (read: groups of resourceful people that will do | anything they think they can get away with to take your | money) to act like rules for them are a bad thing, but they | are not, and short of implementing actual communism, they | will continue to find ways to make profit. and if they don't? | well should they have been making profit from harming society | in the first place? | dyeje wrote: | Been toying with an idea like this for years, congrats on | shipping! | ericholscher wrote: | Thanks! Shoot us an email if you ever wanted to continue toying | with something like this with us! ;) | jefftk wrote: | It sounds like you have a good handle on targeting, where you can | use contextual information to show ads users are likely to be | interested in, but what about fraud detection? | | Context for others: the high level of tracking in modern | advertising is a combination of targeting and measurement / fraud | detection. Without good fraud detection there isn't much keeping | a shady publisher from bringing in a lot of bot traffic and | cheating your advertisers. Very roughly, if I can successfully | pretend I have twice as much traffic I can earn twice as much | money. | | (Disclosure: I used to work on ads at Google) | ericholscher wrote: | Fraud detection is definitely something that is a struggle in | the overall industry. We have a couple benefits that make it | easier for us. | | First, is that we hand-approve publishers, so that we are able | to tell if they are a legit project or application. We look at | some social signals when they sign up to see if their traffic | numbers seem realistic, and do some sanity checking. | | Secondly, we do capture anonymized IP's & user agents, and | create a hash of the original values. This allows us to see | trends across browser types and high-level locations, which | helps with fraud detection. | | The other big thing is that we have feedback from our | advertisers. We do pass a UTM code about what publisher traffic | comes from when an ad is clicked. This allows us to figure out | who is sending junk traffic to our advertisers. | | We also have a few other specific technical methods that we | generally don't talk about, because we don't want to give folks | guidelines. But those are mostly just to stop obvious bad | actors which aren't trying very hard :) | | Some of these approaches work because we're still relatively | small, but I think they will scale to 10-100x our size, maybe | just not to Google's size. But overall, our approach to fraud | is currently working based on the number of repeat advertisers | we have, and the success they are seeing with our network. | jefftk wrote: | Thanks! Over time this is likely to work less well, as it | becomes more worthwhile for fraudsters to target your | network. Off the top of my head, using a botnet to simulate | traffic with a realistic range of UAs seems like it could | allow a publisher to earn, say, 30% more revenue without you | being too obvious. Overall, this would shift income from your | honest publishers to your cheating publishers. | ericholscher wrote: | Definitely true. Hopefully the folks who have the skillset | to build a large OSS project, and build a network of fake | traffic, would find other ways to spend their time with a | higher return on investment than a 30% increment of their | revenue. | | But it will certainly happen, and hopefully we can continue | to minimize it. We've generally seen fraud that looks like | a site with no real traffic, and trying to generate 1000% | returns, which is a much easier pattern to catch. | | If you have any suggestions for ways we might improve our | fraud tracking, definitely happy to hear them at eric@ our | domain. | flitzofolov wrote: | There are products designed to solve this problem: | https://www.humansecurity.com/products/ad-tech-teams | | Disclosure - I used to work for WhiteOps (now known as | Human Security apparently). | jefftk wrote: | There are definitely products for this problem; it's a | huge business. But they're not products that are | compatible with EthicalAds' privacy-first JS-optional | model. | cercatrova wrote: | Another filter to add onto uBlock Origin, I see. | ericholscher wrote: | Great, thanks! | | https://ads-for-open-source.readthedocs.io/en/latest/ is our | default exclude list for OSS sustainability ads. | cercatrova wrote: | I meant another filter to block, not allow, but I appreciate | the links. | davidfischer wrote: | We're already on the EasyList (a big blocklist) so it | should already be blocked. | compumike wrote: | Hi Eric, I enjoyed working with you back in my Triplebyte days! | Finding Ruby job ads on a Ruby library docs page seems | straightforward enough... I'm just curious what major categories | of advertisers you've found (beyond recruiting)? | ericholscher wrote: | Hey Mike, | | Good to hear from you! We also enjoyed working with Triplebyte, | and still think that hiring/recruiting is a great use of | EthicalAds. | | In general we've also found success with higher LTV SaaS | products, and you might expect for display ads. Digital Ocean, | Twilio, and MongoDB are folks who have done big campaigns with | us over the years, as an example. I have a sort spot for the | folks at Twilio, because they were actually the ones who | convinced us to do ads on Read the Docs originally, with a | hacked together campaign way back in like 2015 :) Running a | Python-targeted campaign, with Python code in the ad image, | linking to a Python-specific landing page tutorial really | showed the vision for what we could build. | | We've also had a lot of luck with more niche targeting for | specific audiences. Our current major audiences are Backend, | Frontend, Data Science, Security, & Devops: | https://www.ethicalads.io/advertisers/#audiences -- Each of | these audiences has had good success with folks targeting | specific products (Think feature flagging in JS for frontend | devs, and ML model services for data science). | | As we grow and optimize our ML modeling, we're going to | continue to expand our high-level topics, as well as offer more | finer grained targeting. | radihuq wrote: | > I have a sort spot for the folks at Twilio, because they | were actually the ones who convinced us to do ads on Read the | Docs originally, with a hacked together campaign way back in | like 2015 | | This sounds really interesting! I find it fascinating that | Twilio was willing to do such a personalized project with a | relatively small company. Would you be willing to share the | story? | | Specific curiosities: | | * Did you reach out to them, or did they reach out to you? | | * Who were you working with there? (someone in a business | unit, or someone in engineering?) | | * Twilio is huge with (I imagine) big reputation risk. Why | were they okay with being such early adopters? | | * What was the process like working with them through this | campaign? | ericholscher wrote: | Sure -- it's a neat story. Happy to share it.. | | _Digs through some emails_ | | Looks like it was 2015. We did a fundraising campaign on | our site (wrapup blog post here: | https://blog.readthedocs.com/fundraising-wrapup/), which | was our first big attempt at fundraising. To be 100% | honest, we didn't reach our goal, and we padded the numbers | with a Python Software Foundation grant, and the Twilio ad | sponsorship to not fail in public. We were doing millions | of pageviews a month at that point, but had a lot of | failure around fundraising. More info on the burnout and | sadness of that period here: | https://www.ericholscher.com/blog/2018/feb/7/the-post-i- | neve... -- but moving on to the happy ending :) | | The Twilio folks reached out as part of that campaign. | Specifically it was Rob Spectre, who I think was very | forward thinking about their developer outreach at the | time. They wanted to sponsor us, and in return we promote | the upcoming events & blog posts they were doing. | | It was very lightweight to start. I think we filled out | their "event sponsorship" form, they gave us the money, and | we put some images & copy in the sidebar of the docs using | our theme. | | I think they were willing to do this because they saw the | massive opportunity of the channel we had. We've been able | to build a business that supports a team with almost the | exact concept they pitched to us, so the value seems | obvious in retrospect. | | More info on our eventual transition to advertising is | here: | https://www.ericholscher.com/blog/2016/aug/31/funding-oss- | ma... | soared wrote: | Looks interesting and useful for small advertisers. I can see | this being useful in some cases. Nice that you're insulated from | cookie issues with context targeting only. | | I'd expect the lack of tools like frequency capping, impression | trackers, brand safety, etc to stop you from getting many large | advertisers. | YetAnotherNick wrote: | Is the list of sites you advertise in publicly available? Is it | possible to just publish ads for one/few particular site/s with | the same CPM? | ericholscher wrote: | We don't have a full list, but each of our audience pages shows | some of our top publishers: | https://www.ethicalads.io/advertisers/#audiences | | We generally charge our listed CPM, but if you narrow down the | targeting a lot, that can cost a bit more. | brightball wrote: | Could you describe how your service differentiates from Carbon? | | https://www.carbonads.net/ | | I've been considering monetizing my blog for a few months, but | was only considering a service like yours. Would be interested to | learn more. | ericholscher wrote: | Sure -- we have a post about just that topic! | | https://www.ethicalads.io/alternative-to-carbon-ads/ | | To be 100% honest, Carbon is a great product, and I do | recommend them. I wish we were competing against only Google & | Facebook, instead of Carbon & BuySellAds, because they are a | solid competitor. However, Carbon is not as privacy-focused, | and they are closed source. They still inject Google's and | other third-party images in your docs. We have pushed back | against that with our advertisers, which has caused us to lose | some business, but we want our publishers to know that we're | the only third-party they are dealing with. | | Not to say that all third-party scripts are bad. The ad | industry is pretty scammy, and there's a good bit of fraud. A | lot of these third-party services are about verification and | standardizing reporting. However, it's still sending all your | visitor data to a third-party, which you have no knowledge of | ahead of time, and could change. We have invested a good amount | in our anti-fraud detection, and we know our product is good | because of the number of repeat advertisers we have. | | We often have publishers who do a 50/50% split between us & | Carbon, to diversify their revenue. Daily.dev does this, and | talks a bit about it here: | https://www.ethicalads.io/blog/2022/01/publisher-spotlight-s... | -- We recommend that to folks who aren't coming to us for | privacy or regulatory reasons, especially if they have a lot of | traffic. | brightball wrote: | Thank you for the insight! | ericholscher wrote: | Definitely! Happy to answer any other questions you have | via email once you're ready to move forward. Email is in my | profile, or just eric@ our company domain :) | NetOpWibby wrote: | I was definitely thinking that your product seems like a | BuySellAds for developers and it looks like I'm correct! Good | to have an additional good option. | mlinksva wrote: | There's a link on this in their footer | https://www.ethicalads.io/alternative-to-carbon-ads/ (and | another comparing to Google). My skim of Carbon diff: open | source, no third party tracking, support open source community. | | (I personally want to tax all ads but am cheering EA on to | capture a larger share of a smaller pie.) | shortformblog wrote: | Would love it if you expanded beyond devs, though I know that's a | challenge as it requires building up a new base. I have been | keeping an eye on you for a while either way. ___________________________________________________________________ (page generated 2022-08-30 23:00 UTC)